[00:00] <tomreyn> does    cat /sys/devices/virtual/dmi/id/bios_{vendor,version,date}|tr '\n' ' ';echo    provide a different model?
[00:01] <chaslinux> Sure does, lol: American Megatrends Inc. 4.6.5 07/17/2019
[00:01] <tomreyn> oh thats just the bios version, i meant   journalctl -b | grep DMI:
[00:02] <chaslinux> To be filled by O.E.M. To be filled by O.E.M./Intel X79, BIOS 4.6.5 07/17/2019
[00:02] <tomreyn> hehe, ok.
[00:02] <tomreyn> they were too lazy for branding
[00:05] <chaslinux> Yep. On my old Gigabyte motherboard I had some slightly mismatched RAM (both 1866MHz but with different CAS latencies). The RAM worked fine (2 different 16GB {(8x4) sets), but this board didn't like that/ I think the RAM is only running at 1600. Not too concerned though.
[00:06] <chaslinux> And I still haven't tried the nvme drive slot, just running SSDs. This is one of those weird, we shoved a bunch of newer technologies on an older board.
[03:32] <xu-irc95w> Hi all
[03:32] <xu-irc95w> xubuntu  run fine in a Pentium dual core  2.0 Gz, 32bits ?
[03:32] <xu-irc95w> or need 64 bits ?
[03:34] <xu-irc95w> I was thinking between xubuntu and antix19
[03:34] <xu-irc95w> What do you recommend me?
[03:36] <xu-irc95w> I think Antix is the best option
[03:37] <xu-irc95w> I will see
[03:37] <xu-irc95w> thanks
[03:37] <xu-irc95w> have a nice week
[03:50] <CyborgZeta[m]> Xubuntu 18.04 should be fine. I've used it successfully on a ThinkPad Z60m.
[12:34] <Maik> CyborgZeta[m]: 18.04 goes EOL this month
[13:06] <kpcyrd> hi! I installed xubuntu on a laptop, installed updates (including a firmware update thingy), uninstalled libreoffice and rebooted, now I'm getting:
[13:06] <kpcyrd> Failed to start default.target: Transaction for graphical.target/start is destructive (emergency.target has 'start' job queued, but 'stop' is included in transaction).
[13:12] <diogenes_> kpcyrd, try to boot the previous kernel.
[13:14] <kpcyrd> diogenes_: that worked! it says there was a problem and if I want to report it. I clicked report but no other windows showed up yet
[14:12] <kpcyrd> I think something is broken with my install, I also can't select wallpapers and if I change "Regard the computer as idle after" from 5 to 120 (there's no save button), then click "All Settings" and then "Screensaver" again it's back at 5
[14:18] <remline> kpcyrd: You might take a quick look through the logs. To see the logs for the current boot, run 'journalctl -b'.
[14:19] <kpcyrd> remline: anything specific I should be looking for?
[14:21] <remline> kpcyrd: I'm not sure what is causing these symptoms, but the log may offer clues. You can also filter the log by priority, e.g., 'journalctl -p 4' to see "warnings" and above.
[14:27] <kpcyrd> there are a few "cryptsetup.target: Job systemd-cryptsetup@cryptoswap.service/start deleted to break ordering cycle starting with cryptsetup.target/start"
[14:28] <kpcyrd> maybe `apt autoremove` broke something after uninstalling libreoffice, since this is a fresh install anyway I'm just going to try again
[14:35] <xu-help25w> Hi, I had Xubuntu installed alongside with Windows 10 on my Lenovo and everythings was working fine. Yesterday, Windows 10 wanted an update so I did it. It took forever so I fall asleep and I don't know what happened but I cannot go into Xubuntu anymore. It looks like it disappeared. I went to the BIOS Menu to change the order, but it is not there.
[14:35] <xu-help25w> I downloaded easyuefi and it is not there either. The partition is still there but that's it.
[14:35] <xu-help25w> Do you have any idea on how to help me?
[14:44] <pmjdebruijn> xu-help25w: I'm guessing you'll have to reinstall grub
[14:45] <pmjdebruijn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows probably
[14:45] <pmjdebruijn> (I haven't used dual bots in decades, so take my word with a grain of salt)
[14:46] <xu-help25w> pmjdebruijn I'll give that a try
[14:47] <pmjdebruijn> so grub-install from a livecd might be able to fix it
[14:48] <xu-help25w> pmjdebruijn is there a way without CD? Because my laptop doesn't have a CD player. Can I do a USB drive?
[14:54] <pmjdebruijn> xu-help25w: of course
[14:54] <pmjdebruijn> there isn't really a difference
[14:54] <pmjdebruijn> the live iso boots fine on a usb drive due to isohybrid
[14:55] <xu-help25w> pmjdebruijn I will do that. I need to create a usb drive! And hope for the best :(
[14:56] <pikapika> Will xubuntu resist Wayland's imposition?
[14:57] <pmjdebruijn> pikapika: I can't speak for the team, but my general impression is that that's decision per-release
[14:58] <pikapika> I hope Xubuntu resist it for as long as possible
[14:58] <pikapika> (and same with gtk's new nonsense etc)
[14:58] <pmjdebruijn> "new nonsense"?
[14:59] <pikapika> Removing features, being an ass to people making bug reports etc
[14:59] <pmjdebruijn> either aren't something the xubuntu team has any control over
[14:59] <pikapika> I know, which is why the best thing would be to deliberately remain on older gtks
[14:59] <pmjdebruijn> you pretend asif that's choice really
[15:00] <pmjdebruijn> toolkits are decided by applications
[15:00] <pikapika> Sadly yes
[15:00] <pikapika> gtk's thuggery affects everyone
[15:00] <pikapika> And now soon we will have to deal with Wayland's thuggery
[15:00] <pmjdebruijn> not sure if I'd call it thuggery
[15:01] <pmjdebruijn> but I agree, wayland was pushed forward a bit soon
[15:01] <pmjdebruijn> replacing X11 in the long run is probably a good idea though
[15:01] <pikapika> The forced removal of useful features and imposition of stuff nobody wants and being arrogant to users who file bug reports cannot be called nything other than thuggery
[15:02] <pmjdebruijn> pikapika: that's a bit dramatic
[15:02] <pmjdebruijn> i'm not saying they're doing a great job
[15:02] <pikapika> pmjdebruijn, gtk enjoys a position where they have a huge captive audience
[15:03] <pmjdebruijn> i'm not sure they're enjoying anything really :)
[15:03] <pmjdebruijn> but GTK is being driven by GNOME's goal a bit hard
[15:04] <remline> pikapika: Keep in mind that all software development involves tradeoffs. Don't assume an ill will by the developers.
[15:04] <pikapika> remline, maybe but for instance I see zero good reasons to heavily restrict the input text widget in gtk file chooser for instance
[15:05] <pikapika> in older veresions its hidden but paste, partial paths etc all work fine
[15:05] <pikapika> It seems they have removed a lot of that in a new version
[15:05] <pmjdebruijn> I don't think either me or remline are arguing that some idea might be misguided, even if well intended
[15:07] <pikapika> And perhaps wayland has some benefits but you understand why it should be alarming for end users
[15:07] <pikapika> from our perspective a system that has worked fine and has years of work put into it is suddenly being force replaced by some new random software
[15:08] <pikapika> We have seen this happen in non-foss world like clockwork, and we fear what it entails
[15:08] <pmjdebruijn> but Xorg isn't fine though not really
[15:08] <pmjdebruijn> probably has a ton of vuln still in it
[15:08] <pmjdebruijn> old code an such
[15:09] <kpcyrd> remline: intering a number at the screensaver delay doesn't seem to work, but clicking on the plus button worked
[15:09] <pmjdebruijn> but yeah Wayland has ways to go before it really ready to replace Xorg
[15:10] <remline> kpcyrd: Interesting! So perhaps it was just a simple bug in that case.
[15:10] <pikapika> There are dark times ahead
[15:21] <pikapika> pmjdebruijn, do you work for xfce/xubuntu?
[15:55] <pmjdebruijn> pikapika: no, I already said I can't speak for the team
[15:58] <pikapika> Ok
[16:09] <blue_penquin> pikapika: Wayland roadmap is here https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap; not sure if that's latet though Xubuntu will use it once XFCE supports it.
[16:09] <blue_penquin> *latest
[16:11] <pikapika> blue_penquin, seems a reasonable plan
[16:14] <Maik> pikapika: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Xfce-4.18-Planning-Begins
[16:15] <pikapika> Maik, thanks
[16:15] <Maik> yw
[16:34] <pmjdebruijn> I must admit, I sortof hope the next LTS will still allow for choosing Xorg
[16:34] <pmjdebruijn> amongst other things color management doesn't seem to be well supported under Wayland yet
[16:39] <Maik> nvidia is still not supported by Wayland afaik, so Xorg will be around for a longer time
[16:39] <Maik> plus there are a lot of apps that still won't work well with Wayland
[16:42] <Maik> VLC, Clementine, chromium have been reported on a forum not to work (well) with Wayland and the screen turns black according to a user on Ubuntu
[16:43] <pikapika> wtf
[16:43] <pikapika> vlc is important
[16:45] <Maik> it's not only up to the wayland developers pikapika but also the developers of the apps to make it work.
[16:45] <Maik> it works both ways
[16:45] <pikapika> Naturally, es
[16:45] <pikapika> Naturally, yes
[16:46] <Maik> if you're not happy with Wayland yet then just stick to Xorg
[17:00] <pikapika> Maik, of course
[17:00] <pikapika> I want to stick to Xorg as long as possible
[17:00] <pikapika> Because it works fine for me
[17:01] <pikapika> Wayland is unknown and scary
[17:02] <Maik> it's not unknown after 12 years
[17:02] <blue__penquin> VLC didn't have a proper Wayland support; 4.0 due this year will have much better support and Chromium like last month upstreamed the patches so reaonable that will have bugs. But FF works well under Wayland (barring some small bugs here and there) and has actually better hardware acceleration support than in X11.
[17:04] <pmjdebruijn> Maik: yeah but even after 12 years, it's still not a clear win (yet)
[17:05] <pikapika> Its a very dark turn of affairs
[17:05] <pmjdebruijn> no it's not
[17:05] <Maik> i know pmjdebruijn
[17:05] <pmjdebruijn> pikapika: being overdramatic over things really isn't helpful
[17:05] <pmjdebruijn> but they'll get there eventually
[17:05] <pikapika> The "modern" fanatics are slowly taking over
[17:06] <pmjdebruijn> keep in mind Xorg has only been to use for the last ten years or so
[17:06] <pikapika> For example over in gnome land, they look like a mobile phone these days
[17:06] <Maik> pikapika: nah, don't exaggerate
[17:07] <pmjdebruijn> pikapika: there nothing intrinsically wrong with that, this is why it's there's choice of desktops on linux
[17:07] <Maik> also i think the discussion doesn't belong here either
[17:07] <pmjdebruijn> good*
[17:07] <pmjdebruijn> good point
[17:07] <pikapika> pmjdebruijn, I fear its slowly bleeding over
[17:07] <Maik> !discuss
[17:07] <pikapika> Okay
[17:07] <Maik> told that earlier too :)