| lotuspsychje | good morning | 04:06 |
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| ducasse | good morning | 07:03 |
| vmguy23m | good morning | 10:18 |
| wyoung | good evening | 11:11 |
| wyoung | Lets discuss Ubuntu now! | 11:11 |
| wyoung | Any good light weight Ubuntu docker images? | 11:11 |
| wyoung | Or should i do Debian buster or AlpineLinux? | 11:12 |
| vmguy23m | I don;t really do Docker (might try it though) | 11:24 |
| vmguy23m | What is it? | 11:25 |
| wyoung | vmguy23m: A container management infrasturuce | 11:30 |
| vmguy23m | I don't really know about containers | 11:30 |
| wyoung | like LXC but multiplatform and smarter with its own repo | 11:30 |
| wyoung | LXC on steroids without the roid rage | 11:30 |
| === vmguy23m is now known as [VMGuy23] | ||
| [VMGuy23] | i DON'T KNOW WHAT lxc IS | 11:40 |
| [VMGuy23] | Whoops, sorry about caps | 11:41 |
| wyoung | [VMGuy23]: It's a linux thing | 11:42 |
| wyoung | linux containers supported by the kernel | 11:42 |
| daftykins | the thinking is that instead of booting up and running entire VMs which consume more resources to bring up a whole other kernel and OS to manage, just load up the bare essentials to support the service you want to run linked against the host's kernel | 11:47 |
| daftykins | personally i'll stick to VMs though (: don't get the container hype | 11:47 |
| daftykins | it probably suits web apps well? not sure | 11:47 |
| [VMGuy23] | I have 4 VMs currently, none running | 11:48 |
| wyoung | daftykins: Docker has an extra layer though, well, depending on the OS,. | 11:49 |
| wyoung | [VMGuy23]: But you are VM guy | 11:49 |
| wyoung | you should have at least 23 of them | 11:49 |
| daftykins | yeah this strikes me as false advertising ;) | 11:49 |
| wyoung | :P | 11:49 |
| [VMGuy23] | I only have 185GB total disk space, 23 is a bit too much | 11:50 |
| [VMGuy23] | If i had 2 or 3 it could be 2-3 | 11:50 |
| daftykins | not if they are all server installs ;) | 11:50 |
| [VMGuy23] | Got to go, be back | 11:50 |
| wyoung | gg | 11:53 |
| [VMGuy23] | I'm back | 12:33 |
| wyoung | WB VM GUy 23 | 12:33 |
| [VMGuy23] | ? | 12:34 |
| wyoung | WB = Welcome Back | 12:35 |
| [VMGuy23] | Oh, makes sense | 12:35 |
| wyoung | <3 | 12:40 |
| wyoung | Lets pal team it up | 12:40 |
| wyoung | Discuss | 12:40 |
| [VMGuy23] | wyoung: I like Rythmbox but GNOME Music is good | 12:43 |
| wyoung | Lets discuss | 12:44 |
| wyoung | It is good | 12:44 |
| wyoung | but I can't tell you how to use it here, we need to switch back to #ubuntu for support. | 12:44 |
| lotuspsychje | you sure can discuss it here | 12:45 |
| [VMGuy23] | I've had a bad experience (crashes, freezes) with a lot of Linux software, from my time on Raspberry Pi (started on 3B+, then got 4) | 12:45 |
| wyoung | lotuspsychje: but up tp a point, if you offer support then you need to switch | 12:46 |
| wyoung | [VMGuy23]: You get what you pay for., | 12:47 |
| lotuspsychje | wyoung: you can discuss supporting software in here aswell, things that dont really fot into #ubuntu for example | 12:48 |
| lotuspsychje | *fit | 12:48 |
| wyoung | oh? | 12:49 |
| wyoung | What if it does fit into Ubuntu? | 12:49 |
| wyoung | Will I be asked to leave and goto Ubuntu instead? | 12:49 |
| lotuspsychje | wyoung: if you seek ubuntu support join #ubuntu | 12:50 |
| * pauljw wonders why we bother with a channel topic | 12:50 | |
| lotuspsychje | its really not so hard to divide support questions from discussions | 12:52 |
| wyoung | I am just asking because I want to know which channel is more anal about the division, | 12:53 |
| Maik | wyoung: how long have you been on IRC? | 13:00 |
| wyoung | Maik: Too long, which is why I asked | 13:01 |
| Maik | then you'd know by know how things work | 13:01 |
| wyoung | I do, ops are usually nazis, fascists and hypocrites. | 13:01 |
| wyoung | That trend needs to change though | 13:02 |
| Maik | careful what you say because of the CoC and channel guidlines that apply in all the buntu channels | 13:03 |
| wyoung | Maik: I understand, the secret police will get me | 13:03 |
| wyoung | Maik: The CoC needs to apply to ops too | 13:04 |
| Maik | of course | 13:05 |
| wyoung | I have never seen that enforced | 13:06 |
| wyoung | Although talking about it here is within topic right? | 13:07 |
| Maik | depends on how someone behaves, saying ops are usually nazis, fascists and hypocrites can get you banned | 13:07 |
| Maik | wyoung: read the topic and you know | 13:08 |
| wyoung | Maik: That is my experience on ops in IRC, are you saying I am wrong? | 13:08 |
| Maik | sigh | 13:08 |
| jeremy31 | What channel did you come from? | 13:08 |
| wyoung | jeremy31: Pyhon | 13:08 |
| wyoung | Python* | 13:08 |
| jeremy31 | That isn't covered by Ubuntu COC | 13:09 |
| wyoung | Including the dicuss channel? | 13:09 |
| Maik | yes | 13:09 |
| Maik | all ubuntu related channels | 13:10 |
| jeremy31 | wyoung: Ubuntu CoC covers any channel with #ubuntu | 13:10 |
| wyoung | OK | 13:10 |
| Maik | wow and he's been on irc for a long time.... | 13:10 |
| wyoung | I have been | 13:10 |
| wyoung | On channels that don't start with #ubuntu | 13:10 |
| [VMGuy23] | I've been on IRC for 3 weeks I think | 13:11 |
| jeremy31 | I was on some channels back in the late 1990s | 13:11 |
| wyoung | jeremy31: early 1990s here | 13:11 |
| jeremy31 | We didn't have internet here until late 1995 | 13:11 |
| [VMGuy23] | Windows NT Server existed before 1995 I think | 13:16 |
| daftykins | correct | 13:44 |
| daftykins | 95's desktop UI was ported over from NT | 13:45 |
| [VMGuy23] | NT originally had Program Manager | 13:46 |
| [VMGuy23] | I think they got the design update at a similar time | 13:49 |
| glamboy | Hi, I am looking for an answer, and sorry if it is a sensitive topic, but I am honestly confused and lost. I used to be an Ubuntu user back in the Ubuntu 6.06 days, and now find myself with technologies such as snap and flatpak, and feel like I've dropped off somewhere. | 20:29 |
| glamboy | When I used Ubuntu, we used /opt for self-contained applications, or /usr/local. Does this relate to flatpak/snap? | 20:30 |
| glamboy | I sincerely don't know, because I usually thought that self-contained applications were to be installed in /opt, and now this snap thing seems to go on an entirely different direction. | 20:31 |
| Bashing-om | glamboy: flatpac and snap are similat - ubuntu adheres to snap packing for IOT containerization, Life on the desktop can go on without snaps :) | 20:31 |
| Bashing-om | similar* | 20:31 |
| hggdh | glamboy: high-level, snaps and flatpaks carry all dependencies for the application to run. This makes it possible to deploy the very same snap/flatpak on different distro's versions, without the need to backport and rebuild against a specific distribution version | 20:31 |
| glamboy | Ok. But if I were to, say, make a .deb package with a folder structure in /opt and add static libraries, would it be considered ok in a backports/untrusted sort of repository or a PPA? | 20:32 |
| glamboy | Just thinking, because I started building something using a custom folder structure, and my idea was to set it up in /opt with its static libraries, etc. | 20:33 |
| glamboy | Would it be ok to make a .deb with this type of structure, or am I better off learning these new technologies? | 20:34 |
| hggdh | it is OK to build and/or deploy actual packages | 20:36 |
| hggdh | in your PPAs you can build them for whichever distro versions you want. The advantage of snap/flatpak is would would only need to build ONE, for all versions. | 20:37 |
| glamboy | Ok, so it's a matter of safely keeping software across versions, not just self-containment. | 20:38 |
| hggdh | both, probably. In general, in a snap/flatpak you cannot change the *system*. But you would do better to study them before trying | 20:39 |
| jeremy31 | Just have to maintain one version for all supported Ubuntu versions | 20:39 |
| glamboy | In flatpak, my software would always work even in the case of an upgrade, whereas a self-contained .deb in /opt would have to be rebuilt with every new version. | 20:40 |
| glamboy | snap/flatpak( | 20:40 |
| glamboy | I am partial to the self-contained .deb in /opt route, because it's uniform with the rest of the packages that the distro brings, and because it's so easy to maintain, just a few more checks around copying the file to /opt/<provider> | 20:41 |
| glamboy | But this whole cross-upgrade dimension seems interesting as well. | 20:42 |
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