[04:06] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[07:03] <ducasse> good morning
[10:18] <vmguy23m> good morning
[11:11] <wyoung> good evening
[11:11] <wyoung> Lets discuss Ubuntu now!
[11:11] <wyoung> Any good light weight Ubuntu docker images?
[11:12] <wyoung> Or should i do Debian buster or AlpineLinux?
[11:24] <vmguy23m> I don;t really do Docker (might try it though)
[11:25] <vmguy23m> What is it?
[11:30] <wyoung> vmguy23m: A container management infrasturuce
[11:30] <vmguy23m> I don't really know about containers
[11:30] <wyoung> like LXC but multiplatform and smarter with its own repo
[11:30] <wyoung> LXC on steroids without the roid rage
[11:40] <[VMGuy23]> i DON'T KNOW WHAT lxc IS
[11:41] <[VMGuy23]> Whoops, sorry about caps
[11:42] <wyoung> [VMGuy23]: It's a linux thing
[11:42] <wyoung> linux containers supported by the kernel
[11:47] <daftykins> the thinking is that instead of booting up and running entire VMs which consume more resources to bring up a whole other kernel and OS to manage, just load up the bare essentials to support the service you want to run linked against the host's kernel
[11:47] <daftykins> personally i'll stick to VMs though (: don't get the container hype
[11:47] <daftykins> it probably suits web apps well? not sure
[11:48] <[VMGuy23]> I have 4 VMs currently, none running
[11:49] <wyoung> daftykins: Docker has an extra layer though, well, depending on the OS,.
[11:49] <wyoung> [VMGuy23]: But you are VM guy
[11:49] <wyoung> you should have at least 23 of them
[11:49] <daftykins> yeah this strikes me as false advertising ;)
[11:49] <wyoung> :P
[11:50] <[VMGuy23]> I only have 185GB total disk space, 23 is a bit too much
[11:50] <[VMGuy23]> If i had 2 or 3 it could be 2-3
[11:50] <daftykins> not if they are all server installs ;)
[11:50] <[VMGuy23]> Got to go, be back
[11:53] <wyoung> gg
[12:33] <[VMGuy23]> I'm back
[12:33] <wyoung> WB VM GUy 23
[12:34] <[VMGuy23]> ?
[12:35] <wyoung> WB = Welcome Back
[12:35] <[VMGuy23]> Oh, makes sense
[12:40] <wyoung> <3
[12:40] <wyoung> Lets pal team it up
[12:40] <wyoung> Discuss
[12:43] <[VMGuy23]> wyoung: I like Rythmbox but GNOME Music is good
[12:44] <wyoung> Lets discuss
[12:44] <wyoung> It is good
[12:44] <wyoung> but I can't tell you how to use it here, we need to switch back to #ubuntu for support.
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> you sure can discuss it here
[12:45] <[VMGuy23]> I've had a bad experience (crashes, freezes) with a lot of Linux software, from my time on Raspberry Pi (started on 3B+, then got 4)
[12:46] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: but up tp a point, if you offer support then you need to switch
[12:47] <wyoung> [VMGuy23]: You get what you pay for.,
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: you can discuss supporting software in here aswell, things that dont really fot into #ubuntu for example
[12:48] <lotuspsychje> *fit
[12:49] <wyoung> oh?
[12:49] <wyoung> What if it does fit into Ubuntu?
[12:49] <wyoung> Will I be asked to leave and goto Ubuntu instead?
[12:50] <lotuspsychje> wyoung: if you seek ubuntu support join #ubuntu
[12:50]  * pauljw wonders why we bother with a channel topic
[12:52] <lotuspsychje> its really not so hard to divide support questions from discussions
[12:53] <wyoung> I am just asking because I want to know which channel is more anal about the division,
[13:00] <Maik> wyoung: how long have you been on IRC?
[13:01] <wyoung> Maik: Too long, which is why I asked
[13:01] <Maik> then you'd know by know how things work
[13:01] <wyoung> I do, ops are usually nazis, fascists and hypocrites.
[13:02] <wyoung> That trend needs to change though
[13:03] <Maik> careful what you say because of the CoC and channel guidlines that apply in all the buntu channels
[13:03] <wyoung> Maik: I understand, the secret police will get me
[13:04] <wyoung> Maik: The CoC needs to apply to ops too
[13:05] <Maik> of course
[13:06] <wyoung> I have never seen that enforced
[13:07] <wyoung> Although talking about it here is within topic right?
[13:07] <Maik> depends on how someone behaves, saying ops are usually nazis, fascists and hypocrites can get you banned
[13:08] <Maik> wyoung: read the topic and you know
[13:08] <wyoung> Maik: That is my experience on ops in IRC, are you saying I am wrong?
[13:08] <Maik> sigh
[13:08] <jeremy31> What channel did you come from?
[13:08] <wyoung> jeremy31: Pyhon
[13:08] <wyoung> Python*
[13:09] <jeremy31> That isn't covered by Ubuntu COC
[13:09] <wyoung> Including the dicuss channel?
[13:09] <Maik> yes
[13:10] <Maik> all ubuntu related channels
[13:10] <jeremy31> wyoung: Ubuntu CoC covers any channel with #ubuntu
[13:10] <wyoung> OK
[13:10] <Maik> wow and he's been on irc for a long time....
[13:10] <wyoung> I have been
[13:10] <wyoung> On channels that don't start with #ubuntu
[13:11] <[VMGuy23]> I've been on IRC for 3 weeks I think
[13:11] <jeremy31> I was on some channels back in the late 1990s
[13:11] <wyoung> jeremy31: early 1990s here
[13:11] <jeremy31> We didn't have internet here until late 1995
[13:16] <[VMGuy23]> Windows NT Server existed before 1995 I think
[13:44] <daftykins> correct
[13:45] <daftykins> 95's desktop UI was ported over from NT
[13:46] <[VMGuy23]> NT originally had Program Manager
[13:49] <[VMGuy23]> I think they got the design update at a similar time
[20:29] <glamboy> Hi, I am looking for an answer, and sorry if it is a sensitive topic, but I am honestly confused and lost. I used to be an Ubuntu user back in the Ubuntu 6.06 days, and now find myself with technologies such as snap and flatpak, and feel like I've dropped off somewhere.
[20:30] <glamboy> When I used Ubuntu, we used /opt for self-contained applications, or /usr/local. Does this relate to flatpak/snap?
[20:31] <glamboy> I sincerely don't know, because I usually thought that self-contained applications were to be installed in /opt, and now this snap thing seems to go on an entirely different direction.
[20:31] <Bashing-om> glamboy: flatpac and snap are similat - ubuntu adheres to snap packing for IOT containerization, Life on the desktop can go on without snaps :)
[20:31] <Bashing-om> similar*
[20:31] <hggdh> glamboy: high-level, snaps and flatpaks carry all dependencies for the application to run. This makes it possible to deploy the very same snap/flatpak on different distro's versions, without the need to backport and rebuild against a specific distribution version
[20:32] <glamboy> Ok. But if I were to, say, make a .deb package with a folder structure in /opt and add static libraries, would it be considered ok in a backports/untrusted sort of repository or a PPA?
[20:33] <glamboy> Just thinking, because I started building something using a custom folder structure, and my idea was to set it up in /opt with its static libraries, etc.
[20:34] <glamboy> Would it be ok to make a .deb with this type of structure, or am I better off learning these new technologies?
[20:36] <hggdh> it is OK to build and/or deploy actual packages
[20:37] <hggdh> in your PPAs you can build them for whichever distro versions you want. The advantage of snap/flatpak is would would only need to build ONE, for all versions.
[20:38] <glamboy> Ok, so it's a matter of safely keeping software across versions, not just self-containment.
[20:39] <hggdh> both, probably. In general, in a snap/flatpak you cannot change the *system*. But you would do better to study them before trying
[20:39] <jeremy31> Just have to maintain one version for all supported Ubuntu versions
[20:40] <glamboy> In flatpak, my software would always work even in the case of an upgrade, whereas a self-contained .deb in /opt would have to be rebuilt with every new version.
[20:40] <glamboy> snap/flatpak(
[20:41] <glamboy> I am partial to the self-contained .deb in /opt route, because it's uniform with the rest of the packages that the distro brings, and because it's so easy to maintain, just a few more checks around copying the file to /opt/<provider>
[20:42] <glamboy> But this whole cross-upgrade dimension seems interesting as well.