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| lotuspsychje | good morning | 01:57 |
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| marcoagpinto | Morning! | 03:52 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 05:39 |
| ducasse | good morning | 06:48 |
| === jelly is now known as alot | ||
| === alot is now known as jelly | ||
| goddard | why does ubuntu ask me if i want to update but then has updates after i already "updated" in the installer? | 13:10 |
| goddard | also the welcome window shouldn't launch the app store as a sub-process | 13:11 |
| goddard | if i close the welcome it closes the app store | 13:11 |
| goddard | also the errors in the app store should be more friendly and snap operations should have a queue system | 13:12 |
| goddard | super unfriendly errors make it seem like it is broken rather then just doing what it should be doing | 13:12 |
| goddard | if the user wants to "enable debugging" or something then show the extra information | 13:13 |
| goddard | but i just installed ubuntu and now i have a 200 something packages to update | 13:13 |
| goddard | what was the point of the updates checkbox again? | 13:13 |
| lotuspsychje | goddard: you are part of the ubuntu community, file some wishlist bugs | 13:14 |
| goddard | ubuntu is a little too old to be having these kind of problems | 13:14 |
| goddard | file bugs that the devs will ignore no thanks | 13:15 |
| ducasse | goddard: i am not sure as i have not tested this, but it's possible the checkbox only enables installation of security updates | 13:15 |
| ducasse | same thing as auto install of updates | 13:16 |
| lotuspsychje | goddard: if your wishlist is sane enough and you find other users to back it, you can get more attention and make a difference on your fav Os | 13:17 |
| lotuspsychje | goddard: a new installer is also being made based on flutter, now its the time for your ideas? | 13:18 |
| goddard | oh great | 13:19 |
| goddard | linux people love re-inventing the wheel | 13:19 |
| lotuspsychje | its called evolution, every release things change | 13:19 |
| goddard | and breaks stuff | 13:19 |
| goddard | and still has bugs and acts crappy | 13:19 |
| lotuspsychje | you know any Os that doesnt have bugs? | 13:19 |
| goddard | change creates bugs | 13:20 |
| goddard | we have not even perfected basic app store features | 13:20 |
| goddard | but lets totally make a new installer | 13:21 |
| goddard | who makes these choices? | 13:21 |
| lotuspsychje | there's influences from a lot of sides on the ubuntu community | 13:21 |
| lotuspsychje | there's not a man god pressing a red button up there | 13:22 |
| goddard | why can't you right click the dock? | 13:23 |
| goddard | to get settings | 13:23 |
| goddard | why cant you minimize apps by clicking the icon on the dock? | 13:23 |
| goddard | the default experience just feels unfinished and broken | 13:24 |
| lotuspsychje | goddard: you can minimize apps by clicking icons in dconf-editor | 13:24 |
| goddard | wow sounds super friendly | 13:25 |
| goddard | you see what i am saying? | 13:25 |
| goddard | that is not a good solution | 13:25 |
| ducasse | ithm it's a setting to enable it | 13:25 |
| ducasse | other than that, the gnome desktop is infamous for removing useful features | 13:26 |
| lotuspsychje | goddard: create some good solutions bugs and ill affect them if they good | 13:26 |
| goddard | okay | 13:29 |
| goddard | on launchpad? | 13:29 |
| Maik | yep | 13:29 |
| goddard | launchpad is annoying as well | 13:30 |
| goddard | haha | 13:30 |
| Maik | sigh | 13:30 |
| goddard | i remember when i was in college i was trying to read the documentation to learn how to package things and the documentation was wrong. I ended up updating the documentation and the process was long and not fun. | 13:30 |
| goddard | bzr is not very popular | 13:31 |
| goddard | shouldn't the documentation system itself hold the versions of the documents? Why is it in source control with bzr?? | 13:32 |
| goddard | thats why the documentation is out of date | 13:32 |
| goddard | its hard to do | 13:32 |
| goddard | too much energy just to change text | 13:32 |
| goddard | if i used mysql for example | 13:33 |
| goddard | id just have multiple copies of that item | 13:33 |
| goddard | never delete anything | 13:33 |
| goddard | take the newest but have the ability to review old stuff | 13:33 |
| goddard | simple | 13:33 |
| goddard | php mysql and js | 13:33 |
| goddard | takes like 10 minutes to set that up and is already better | 13:34 |
| ducasse | mysql is a cruel mistress | 13:34 |
| goddard | well whatever you a cloud provider | 13:34 |
| goddard | mysql is great for something like this | 13:34 |
| goddard | just have a read cluster and one write master | 13:34 |
| goddard | if it is really getting that much traffic | 13:34 |
| Maik | geez what a chatter | 13:35 |
| goddard | just venting all these little annoying things hoping some one hears it | 13:35 |
| lotuspsychje | this is a discuss channel, not really a monologue vent | 13:36 |
| Maik | vent in your own channel ;) | 13:36 |
| goddard | feel free to tell me i am wrong | 13:36 |
| lotuspsychje | perhaps if you learn to discuss with someone it might work goddard | 13:36 |
| goddard | i am doing it now but you guys aren't saying anything | 13:36 |
| goddard | talk faster :D | 13:36 |
| goddard | who controls the documentation system in Ubuntu? | 13:36 |
| Maik | maybe because no one is really interrested? | 13:37 |
| goddard | i know | 13:37 |
| lotuspsychje | a discusion is talk & listen to each other, not a monologue of 1000 polls at the same time | 13:37 |
| goddard | not paid to be interested | 13:37 |
| goddard | lotuspsychje: haha thats funny | 13:37 |
| goddard | so who is in charge of Ubuntu documentation? | 13:38 |
| Maik | search the web for that | 13:38 |
| Maik | all the people here are volunteers | 13:38 |
| goddard | well i assume some people are paid right? | 13:38 |
| Maik | no | 13:38 |
| goddard | really? | 13:38 |
| lotuspsychje | goddard: if you file bugs/wishlists on ubuntu, the right dev gets notified | 13:38 |
| goddard | how can you afford that? | 13:38 |
| goddard | lotuspsychje: ill do it | 13:39 |
| Ussat | We are all independantly wealthy....... | 13:39 |
| lotuspsychje | lol | 13:39 |
| lotuspsychje | rich volunteers :p | 13:39 |
| goddard | nice pass me a money tree then | 13:39 |
| ducasse | we get pizza | 13:39 |
| Ussat | goddard, I have always been ammused by people who look at something free, come up with all these ways OTHER poeple can improve it, but are willing do do nothing...yes, I am looking at you goddard | 13:41 |
| Maik | Ussat: yep, exactly | 13:42 |
| Ussat | Now, back to my yacht since I am independantly wealthy :) | 13:42 |
| goddard | I just told you how i gave back Ussat | 13:42 |
| goddard | also look at my AskUbuntu | 13:42 |
| goddard | thats how i know this stuff | 13:42 |
| goddard | I dont have time to fuss around | 13:42 |
| goddard | so i gotta talk to the people that have Ubuntu as their job | 13:43 |
| goddard | I can help with money | 13:43 |
| goddard | that is really it | 13:43 |
| Ussat | Right, because your time is so much more important | 13:43 |
| goddard | I have 3 infants | 13:43 |
| goddard | and work 2 jobs | 13:43 |
| Maik | dude | 13:43 |
| lotuspsychje | goddard: you got a LP account? | 13:44 |
| goddard | ya | 13:45 |
| goddard | haven't used it other than saying yes this affects me | 13:45 |
| lotuspsychje | whats your username? | 13:45 |
| goddard | at least some what recently | 13:45 |
| goddard | i think goddard | 13:45 |
| lotuspsychje | mark goddard? | 13:46 |
| goddard | oh kinggoddard | 13:46 |
| goddard | https://launchpad.net/~kinggoddard | 13:46 |
| goddard | https://askubuntu.com/users/37577/goddard | 13:46 |
| lotuspsychje | lets see | 13:47 |
| lotuspsychje | goddard: so you got 1 wishlist, you know how it works | 13:48 |
| goddard | ya total fraud | 13:49 |
| goddard | you got me | 13:49 |
| goddard | :D | 13:49 |
| goddard | i wish i had time to just do whatever fun project I want maybe when i retire or my kids are in college | 13:57 |
| Ussat | .... | 13:57 |
| Ussat | You assume none of us have ANY obligations ? | 13:58 |
| Ussat | Get off the poor me train | 13:58 |
| goddard | do you live in a hut? | 13:58 |
| Maik | goddard: chat less maybe, saves time | 13:58 |
| goddard | gotta hate on me some how because I didn't say Linux is perfect? | 13:58 |
| goddard | lame | 13:58 |
| Maik | no, not at all, just telling the trith | 13:59 |
| Maik | truth | 13:59 |
| goddard | Maik: its not a poor me thing. I am defending myself because you act like you know me. | 13:59 |
| Maik | you waste your time on venting, ranting and nagging non stop. drop that and you have more time lef :D | 14:00 |
| Maik | goddard: i've seen people like you before throughout the 13 years on IRC so yeah | 14:00 |
| goddard | oh really? | 14:00 |
| goddard | please enlighten me oh wise IRC master | 14:01 |
| Ussat | ... | 14:01 |
| * Ussat gets popcorn | 14:01 | |
| goddard | haha | 14:01 |
| Maik | nah, i'm tired of feeding a ..... | 14:02 |
| Maik | have better things to do | 14:02 |
| Maik | laters | 14:02 |
| ducasse | ok guys, this is going nowhere | 14:02 |
| goddard | haha | 14:02 |
| goddard | instead of talking about the issues you attack me as a person | 14:02 |
| goddard | good one! | 14:02 |
| goddard | i never said i was Mr. Linux aka Linus himself. I am just a dude that uses Linux and has seen these annoying issues over and over again and nothing is happening it seems so I am yacking it up on IRC. | 14:03 |
| Maik | yawn... ignore it is | 14:04 |
| goddard | I support open source projects with the only thing I can | 14:04 |
| goddard | that is money | 14:04 |
| goddard | I hate people that can't admin when they are wrong. | 14:05 |
| goddard | admit | 14:05 |
| goddard | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWelcomeScreen#:~:text=%20Ubuntu%20Welcome%20Screen%20%201%20Summary.%20Hardy%2C,to%20use%20as%20possible.%20A%20window...%20More%20 | 14:06 |
| goddard | just a taste of how great the ubuntu docs are | 14:06 |
| goddard | the docs have a link to thepimp.net that is 404 | 14:08 |
| goddard | http://macslow.thepimp.net/?p=150 | 14:08 |
| goddard | i think some people just have low standards | 14:08 |
| goddard | its probably better to have nothing at all compared to that in my opinion | 14:09 |
| goddard | try to find the code base for the welcome screen | 14:09 |
| goddard | i tried searching for it and couldn't find it | 14:11 |
| goddard | probably just some python script | 14:11 |
| goddard | if i could easily find the damn thing i could fix the one command | 14:11 |
| goddard | make it launch the App store as its own process not a sub process | 14:12 |
| ogra | https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity | 14:12 |
| goddard | thats the installer | 14:13 |
| goddard | right? | 14:13 |
| daftykins | goddard: goodness me, you make Ussat see like a Saint | 14:15 |
| daftykins | *seem | 14:15 |
| goddard | im sorry i am not on my best behavior just being brutally honest | 14:15 |
| daftykins | i suppose it is Monday! | 14:16 |
| goddard | haha maybe that is what it is | 14:17 |
| Bashing-om | UWN: Issue 679 is on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue679 :D | 20:00 |
| sarnold | :) | 20:05 |
| guiverc | thanks Maik (earlier in ubuntu.offtopic telegram) for stepping in before me... | 23:53 |
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