| ubptgbot | Izan Moya was added by: Izan Moya | 00:46 |
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| ubptgbot | <Izan Moya> Hi | 00:47 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> hi, welcome | 00:47 |
| ubptgbot | <Samkhazi> Can any one send me Ubuntu touch gsi zip file link for poco f1 | 00:48 |
| ubptgbot | <Samkhazi> Please | 00:48 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> please don't crosspost it makes it harder to know whether someone answered you or not | 00:49 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> i don't believe the poco f1 is ported yet, the other group will more likely be able to help you, if you are interested in helping with porting the phone | 00:50 |
| ubptgbot | <Izan Moya> Im very happy hito TU but i do not know if it is posible to install wireshark and how to use it and i do not know if network adapters can be connected. Any one know ? | 00:53 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> Ubuntu touch is not a traditional linux distro, it uses the android kernel on android devices, it has a readonly rootfs and apps are confined | 01:05 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> Currently the os has no means to deal with multiple network adapters if memory, wireshark has not been packaged for ut, it may be installable in libertine but no idea how useful that will be(given its interface is designed for smol screens) | 01:08 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> [Edit] Currently the os has no means to deal with multiple network adapters if memory, wireshark has not been packaged for ut while it may be installable in libertine but no idea how useful that will be(given its interface is designed for smol screens) | 01:08 |
| ubptgbot | <Izan Moya> Okeyy thanksss | 01:18 |
| ubptgbot | <Javacookies> I think there's a port for Poco F1 … just not sure where and how to install as it's not in the installer yet | 01:28 |
| ubptgbot | A B was added by: A B | 01:33 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> i can seem to see it on devices.ubuntu-touch.io either | 02:26 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> [Edit] i can't seem to see it on devices.ubuntu-touch.io either | 02:26 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @Samkhazi [Can any one send me Ubuntu touch gsi zip file link for poco f1], I don't have that file - but there are instructions for install here, perhaps you can contact create the video creator for the needed files - https://youtu.be/6UqRDmYp7Gc | 02:39 |
| ubptgbot | TelegrKin was added by: TelegrKin | 02:41 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @Samkhazi [Can any one send me Ubuntu touch gsi zip file link for poco f1], [Edit] I don't have that file - but there are instructions for install here, perhaps you can contact the video creator for the needed files - https://youtu.be/6UqRDmYp7Gc | 02:41 |
| ubptgbot | Golden326 was added by: Golden326 | 04:33 |
| ubptgbot | <cymerjanin> Hi, how can I install on device pixel 2? … my device is not available in the program but is on the website | 04:58 |
| ubptgbot | <cymerjanin> when i choose "select devices" i don't see pixel 2 | 05:00 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @cymerjanin [Hi, how can I install on device pixel 2? … my device is not available in the prog …], Generic instructions you can find here: https://pad.ubports.com/p/HaliumHowToTestInstall … The images you need you will find here: http://twoot.bin.org.in/nextcloud/index.php/s/kFjWTt39MqNNnzs | 05:18 |
| ubptgbot | <cymerjanin> Thanks | 05:19 |
| ubptgbot | <Xeon_Zolt> i am trying to port ubports to my device stuck on this error … `error: +/home/xeon/halium/out/target/product/tomato/recovery.img too large (23994368 > [21626880 - 270336])` … while mka systemimage | 05:55 |
| ubptgbot | 电报_拉真人群: @dianbaoBB was added by: 电报_拉真人群: @dianbaoBB | 06:59 |
| ubptgbot | <vince1171> @TotalSonic [Generic instructions you can find here: https://pad.ubports.com/p/HaliumHowToTes …], Aaand the pad is broken again... | 07:12 |
| ubptgbot | <vince1171> Fixed | 07:14 |
| ubptgbot | <wayneTBT> @NotKit How is the progress going on the Tab M10 FHD? Is it looking like a good contender? | 07:36 |
| ubptgbot | <Stereofont> @wayneTBT [@NotKit How is the progress going on the Tab M10 FHD? Is it looking like a good …], That device is already fully supported? I have one running UT… | 09:10 |
| ubptgbot | <wayneTBT> Oh really? | 09:10 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> @Stereofont [That device is already fully supported? I have one running UT…], He means the Lenovo Tab, not the BQ one | 09:10 |
| ubptgbot | <Stereofont> Ahshaha. Thanks 😜 | 09:11 |
| ubptgbot | <wayneTBT> Ah yes, thanks for the clarificaton, I'll edit the message. | 09:11 |
| ubptgbot | <Stereofont> [Edit] Ahahaha. Thanks 😜 | 09:11 |
| ubptgbot | <wayneTBT> [Edit] @NotKit How is the progress going on the Lenovo Tab M10 FHD? Is it looking like a good contender? | 09:11 |
| ubptgbot | <Javacookies> When you say M10 FHD tablet....make sure to include the brand 😆 | 09:47 |
| ubptgbot | <Javacookies> I have one, the port is already usable although of course there are issues and non-working features | 09:48 |
| ubptgbot | <Javacookies> I think the main issue is that content hub doesn't work so that affects many apps functionalities | 09:49 |
| ubptgbot | <koni_raid> @akshithsbalan [How do guys take backup], I use buds. github.com/popey/buds | 10:18 |
| ubptgbot | <akshithsbalan> (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/scYgu0Kj.mp4 | 11:56 |
| ubptgbot | Nhut_Sortation_SGN was added by: Nhut_Sortation_SGN | 14:12 |
| ubptgbot | 零 was added by: 零 | 14:16 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> popey buds now that's a nice name xD | 14:19 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> [Edit] popey buds now that's a nice brand name xD | 14:19 |
| ubptgbot | <零> Hi guys, I am really interested about how I can install on my phone redmi note 9 pro ubuntu touch it is possible to install on my phone? | 14:21 |
| ubptgbot | <alan_griffiths> @零 [Hi guys, I am really interested about how I can install on my phone redmi note 9 …], Your question is answered in the group description | 14:22 |
| ubptgbot | <零> Thanks 👍 | 14:23 |
| ubptgbot | <Xeon_Zolt> @Xeon_Zolt [i am trying to port ubports to my device stuck on this error … error: +/home/xeon/ …], Can someone help me with this | 14:24 |
| ubptgbot | <CC_JingOS> Official JingPad A1 video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZugAfhWkPA | 14:32 |
| ubptgbot | <Deathmist1337> @UniversalSuperBox | 14:33 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> @Xeon_Zolt [Can someone help me with this], your question is also answered in the group description :P | 14:35 |
| ubptgbot | <Xeon_Zolt> @Fuseteam [your question is also answered in the group description :P], I was following the guide got stuck here did not found anything useful so asking for help … And I don't think it's answered in group description | 14:37 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> @Xeon_Zolt [I was following the guide got stuck here did not found anything useful so asking …], i'm pretty sure the guide also tells you where you can find help | 14:38 |
| ubptgbot | <wayneTBT> @Javacookies [I have one, the port is already usable although of course there are issues and n …], Ok, will do. Is it quite useable. This is quite a modern tablet and would be great to see it get there. | 14:39 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> @Xeon_Zolt [I was following the guide got stuck here did not found anything useful so asking …], see? https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/#getting-community-help | 14:39 |
| ubptgbot | <Xeon_Zolt> @Fuseteam [see? https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/#getting-community-help], 👍 | 14:40 |
| ubptgbot | <Javacookies> @wayneTBT [Ok, will do. Is it quite useable. This is quite a modern tablet and would be g …], Will do what? 😅 | 14:40 |
| ubptgbot | <Javacookies> Despite the issue and missing functionalities, I'm using it now for most activities I do so my phone i barely used now 😄 … requirements for tablets are simpler than phones anyway | 14:41 |
| ubptgbot | <Javacookies> [Edit] Despite the issues and missing functionalities, I'm using it now for most activities I do so my phone i barely used now 😄 … requirements for tablets are simpler than phones anyway | 14:41 |
| ubptgbot | <wayneTBT> @Javacookies [Will do what? 😅], I don't even know myself | 14:41 |
| ubptgbot | <Javacookies> [Edit] Despite the issues and missing functionalities, I'm using it now for most activities I do so I barely use my phone now 😄 … requirements for tablets are simpler than phones anyway | 14:42 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> 😂 | 14:46 |
| hentaixp | Hello | 14:50 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> hi | 14:51 |
| hentaixp | I isntalled ubuntu touch recently on a pixel 3a and was trying to test it out. threw my sim card in it and I can call and send and recieve messages. I'm trying to get my data working, but it seems to be up and down. | 14:52 |
| hentaixp | I put in what I believe is the required MMS\internet settings but I am still trying to verify them. I can select different network speeds 2g\3g or 2g\3g\4g. Same thing happens. you can see say the 3g logo come up then back down | 14:53 |
| hentaixp | at the same time, when the logo is up you can send and recieve internet data, but when it goes away internet drops, celluar that is | 14:53 |
| hentaixp | anyone have any ideas? I really like to move over off android | 14:54 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> i think that's a known issue that's being worked on, right @fredldotme ^^? | 14:54 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> hentaixp you're on the stable channel, right? There were some changes in devel that should help, but I'm still at the issue where cellular keeps dropping. You're on a US carrier, right? | 15:29 |
| hentaixp | ubptgbot, yeah I installed the stable version first. I am actually throwing the devel on it to test now. Yes US carrier, using family mobile, its a walmart brand that uses t mobile network and others. | 15:31 |
| hentaixp | outside of this issue, I'm very amazed at ubuntu touch on the pixel 3a and would go ahead move over | 15:31 |
| hentaixp | ubptgbot, do you know if this is a specific issue to specific phones, is there other phones that work fine? | 15:32 |
| ubptgbot | BRAN_DARKUS was added by: BRAN_DARKUS | 15:32 |
| ubptgbot | <wayneTBT> @Javacookies [Despite the issues and missing functionalities, I'm using it now for most activi …], Thanks for the heads up on that. I bought the tablet but haven't UT'd it yet. | 15:39 |
| ubptgbot | <Javacookies> I see | 15:39 |
| ubptgbot | <Javacookies> well it's up to you if you're ready to give up android on it … though, it's not that complicated to return to android if you're used to the process | 15:40 |
| ubptgbot | <Javacookies> personally, I didn't like the tablet experience on android 😄 | 15:41 |
| ubptgbot | <wayneTBT> Sure. I haven't even switched it on as was looking forward to the UT implementation, but was querying if it was a use able experience. | 15:42 |
| HengYeDev[m] | hi from matrix | 15:49 |
| hentaixp | Just got the devel installed ubptgbot, seems its not constantly dropping the connection | 15:56 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> btw ubptgbot is the ubports telegram bridge bot, the name after that is actual name with who you are talking to | 15:57 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> hentaixp that seems to be an issue for all Android 9 based devices. Maybe the Sony Xperia X works better on T-Mobile, but I guess getting one is hard nowadays. | 16:11 |
| hentaixp | ubptgbot, so far with the devel it seems stable enough, I will be doing more normal usage for a couple days to see how it is. but data has been stable as well as calls | 16:49 |
| ubptgbot | <amyosx> ubptgbot is not a human | 16:50 |
| ubptgbot | <amyosx> Its a bot forwarding humans messages | 16:50 |
| hentaixp | so ok | 17:03 |
| ubptgbot | MIG_10 was added by: MIG_10 | 17:38 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> in orderwords you are talking to muliple people right now | 17:49 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> [Edit] in other words you are talking to muliple people right now | 17:49 |
| ubptgbot | <david> Hey friends, … I'm looking for a new phone for daily use. Optimal case with a convergence mode to use it as Desktop as well. … Which phone would you recommend at the moment. The vollaPhone seems promising, but it seems to to be quite ready for daily use, if its still in Early Development. | 17:53 |
| ubptgbot | <TheVancedGamer> @david [Hey friends, … I'm looking for a new phone for daily use. Optimal case with a con …], Do you want to use UT on it? | 18:02 |
| ubptgbot | <Jan_ops79> @david [Hey friends, … I'm looking for a new phone for daily use. Optimal case with a con …], I can recommend the Xiamo Mi A2 for UT. (Still available) | 18:05 |
| ubptgbot | <david> @TheVancedGamer [Do you want to use UT on it?], That was the idea for now, why I'm asking. as it is the only good option for convergance mode at this moment right? If you know better option I'm courious on you PN | 18:05 |
| ubptgbot | <TheVancedGamer> @david [That was the idea for now, why I'm asking. as it is the only good option for con …], You can use Samsung's DeX | 18:05 |
| ubptgbot | <TheVancedGamer> But since this is a UT groip | 18:06 |
| ubptgbot | <amyosx> To quote Dalton "convergence is a cool party trick" | 18:06 |
| ubptgbot | <TheVancedGamer> [Edit] But since this is a UT group | 18:06 |
| ubptgbot | <amyosx> @TheVancedGamer [You can use Samsung's DeX], Not really an alternative tbh | 18:06 |
| ubptgbot | <david> @TheVancedGamer [You can use Samsung's DeX], Thats not that cool. | 18:06 |
| ubptgbot | <TheVancedGamer> @amyosx [Not really an alternative tbh], On old phones | 18:06 |
| ubptgbot | <TheVancedGamer> Like the s8 | 18:06 |
| ubptgbot | <TheVancedGamer> And s9 | 18:06 |
| ubptgbot | <TheVancedGamer> On android 8.1 you can use Linux on DeX | 18:06 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> what | 18:06 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> For a phone with display-out capabilities you would look at the F(x)tec Pro1, Volla Phone and most others can only use Miracast at best (which is on the menu for fixing) | 18:06 |
| ubptgbot | <amyosx> @TheVancedGamer [On android 8.1 you can use Linux on DeX], With outdated Linux with no chance of updating | 18:07 |
| ubptgbot | <TheVancedGamer> It gives you a ubuntu 16.04 | 18:07 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> any supported phone that can do wired external display will be fine if you want the external display party trick | 18:07 |
| ubptgbot | <TheVancedGamer> @amyosx [With outdated Linux with no chance of updating], But you can update it with dist-upgrade | 18:07 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> stop arguing about DeX | 18:07 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> it's irrelevant | 18:07 |
| ubptgbot | <TheVancedGamer> @dohbee [stop arguing about DeX], Ok | 18:07 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> this group is about UT :) | 18:07 |
| ubptgbot | <TheVancedGamer> @dohbee [this group is about UT :)], Sorry | 18:08 |
| ubptgbot | <david> @Jan_ops79 [I can recommend the Xiamo Mi A2 for UT. (Still available)], Intressting, do you have it in daily use or just as second phone? | 18:08 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> though for devices that have USB-C with slimport and OTG support, you can use them in a DeX dock | 18:08 |
| ubptgbot | <Jan_ops79> Daily use actually 😉 | 18:08 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> [Edit] though for devices that have USB-C with slimport and OTG support, you can use them in a DeXstation | 18:08 |
| ubptgbot | <gibcheesepuffs> @Jan_ops79 [I can recommend the Xiamo Mi A2 for UT. (Still available)], actually it's a hit or miss device since only non-jdi panel devices are supported. And you will never know if you are buying a jdi panel device or non-jdi one | 18:10 |
| ubptgbot | <david> @fredldotme [For a phone with display-out capabilities you would look at the F(x)tec Pro1, Vo …], okay so that means, just wait a little longer as the F(x)tec is not out yet. | 18:10 |
| ubptgbot | <klaartje_b> For me, Oneplus One makes a decent daily driver. | 18:10 |
| HengYeDev[m] | pinephone has such capability but right now i believe the internal and external monitors are switched making it strange | 18:11 |
| ubptgbot | <david> @dohbee [any supported phone that can do wired external display will be fine if you want …], My qustion is more about daily use, since on the website there is no phone that shows everywhere working | 18:11 |
| ubptgbot | <gibcheesepuffs> @Jan_ops79 [Daily use actually 😉], btw can you test mms sending and receiving? | 18:11 |
| ubptgbot | <fredldotme> @david [okay so that means, just wait a little longer as the F(x)tec is not out yet.], Well while the Pro1 is out, the Pro1 X is a whole different story. | 18:12 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> @david [My qustion is more about daily use, since on the website there is no phone that …], well not all phones have external display support. depending on what your provider options are, you may have difficulty with being limited to GSM for voice calling, as well | 18:13 |
| HengYeDev[m] | there are some super duper expensive pro1s that ship from japan if you want them immediately | 18:13 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @david [Hey friends, … I'm looking for a new phone for daily use. Optimal case with a con …], The Volla Phone works excellently with UT and what I use as a daily driver, but it does not support sending to an external display yet, so would not work for what you wish to do. OnePlus One should work well for what you wish to do. | 18:13 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @david [Hey friends, … I'm looking for a new phone for daily use. Optimal case with a con …], [Edit] The Volla Phone works excellently with UT and what I use as a daily driver, but it does not support sending to an external display yet, so would not work for what you wish to do. OnePlus One should work well for what you wish to do by | 18:14 |
| ubptgbot | sending wirelessly with the Microsoft Wireless Display Adapter. | 18:14 |
| HengYeDev[m] | also daily use is very different for some people, in some areas MMS is never used, and I never really use SMS... | 18:14 |
| HengYeDev[m] | i think pinephone has the most potential since we are not constrained by a android kernel | 18:14 |
| ubptgbot | <david> @TotalSonic [The Volla Phone works excellently with UT and what I use as a daily driver, but …], I would wish to connect to cable not connet with wirelessly, as I expect it not working smoothly. | 18:16 |
| ubptgbot | <Jan_ops79> @gibcheesepuffs [btw can you test mms sending and receiving?], I can try, i know it is possible by the carrier. | 18:16 |
| ubptgbot | <gibcheesepuffs> @Jan_ops79 [I can try, i know it is possible by the carrier.], ok please let me know when you test it | 18:16 |
| ubptgbot | <david> Any idea when vollaPhone would support extrenal display? | 18:16 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @david [I would wish to connect to cable not connet with wirelessly, as I expect it not …], Then Nexus 5 via Slimport would be the likely answer | 18:16 |
| ubptgbot | <Jan_ops79> @gibcheesepuffs [ok please let me know when you test it], OK, i will! | 18:16 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @david [Any idea when vollaPhone would support extrenal display?], No idea - it needs a developer to step and volunteer to focus working on fixing this. External display support for it most likely will be implemented first via Miracast support for sending wirelessly. | 18:18 |
| ubptgbot | <david> @HengYeDev[m] [i think pinephone has the most potential since we are not constrained by a andro …], I feel pinephone is not the best option for daily use at this moment. Hope it will arrive there soon. | 18:18 |
| HengYeDev[m] | not right now, more potential in the future though | 18:18 |
| Fuseteam | mic test | 18:25 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> cool | 18:25 |
| ubptgbot | <david> Okay I summerize: There are some phones that are in daily use, but its not sure if it works in my region. … Also the convergence mode via capable most don't have. If they have it all its via wirless. … So it might work to get to daily use but in the end you only no when its in your hand if it works? | 18:28 |
| ubptgbot | <TotalSonic> @david [Any idea when vollaPhone would support extrenal display?], [Edit] No idea - it needs a developer to step up and volunteer to focus working on fixing this. External display support for it most likely will be implemented first via Miracast support for sending wirelessly. | 18:28 |
| ubptgbot | <Javacookies> In my personal experience, desktop use isn't good enough for daily use. There's just some issues that can be annoying especially in morph 😅 | 18:29 |
| ubptgbot | <david> would the Bq Aquaris M10 F/HD be an option working with convergance, yet not a phone? | 18:38 |
| ubptgbot | <Javacookies> yes, it does support external display via mini/micro HDMI | 18:45 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> it should work, but i wouldn't necessarily recommend one, as they can be difficult to get installed and such | 18:49 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> if you just want to play with external display, a nexus 4 or 5 might be a better option | 18:49 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> even if everything in UT "works" well for you, it may still not live up to being a daily driver for you, if you need apps that only work on android or such | 18:50 |
| ubptgbot | Cooks8 was added by: Cooks8 | 19:49 |
| ubptgbot | RealTheHexagon was added by: RealTheHexagon | 19:50 |
| ubptgbot | <Stereofont> @david [Hey friends, … I'm looking for a new phone for daily use. Optimal case with a con …], 'Use as desktop' sounds unrealistic. UT has a mode which renders well (and automagically) on a big screen but it doesn't 'become' a desktop OS | 20:02 |
| ubptgbot | Sadulla O'Cannon was added by: Sadulla O'Cannon | 20:09 |
| ubptgbot | <Fuseteam> i think most people don't understand the expectations we take for granted on the desktop | 20:12 |
| ubptgbot | <Sadulla O'Cannon> BITCOIN TO THE MOOON WITH MUSK https://tweet-ell.com/d2b257c | 20:44 |
| ubptgbot | <amyosx> WAS THAT BUT COIN OWO | 20:44 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> @amyosx [WAS THAT BUT COIN OWO], Much like email spam, it's much easier to deal with spam if you ignore it. | 20:44 |
| ubptgbot | <amyosx> Lol | 20:45 |
| ubptgbot | arcon_michael was added by: arcon_michael | 20:59 |
| ubptgbot | <PC0306> on ubuntu, is it to use the .deb or .appImage file? | 21:11 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Could you please explain your question in more detail? Are you trying to use the UBports Installer? | 21:12 |
| ubptgbot | <PC0306> yes, but on windows it didn't work | 21:13 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> I see you posted the same question in the UBports Welcome room. I will continue replying to you there. | 21:14 |
| ubptgbot | <PC0306> I was asked to try to make a ubuntu pendrive and flash for it | 21:14 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> I understand. This may work on Windows so you don't need to make an ubuntu pendrive. | 21:15 |
| ubptgbot | <PC0306> on windows 7 it didn't work | 21:16 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> on windows you would use the exe | 21:16 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> @PC0306 [on windows 7 it didn't work], Please see my answer in the room titled UBports Welcome | 21:16 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> @PC0306 [on windows 7 it didn't work], [Edit] Please see my answer in the room titled UBports Welcome & Install | 21:16 |
| ubptgbot | <PC0306> i'll try this | 21:17 |
| ubptgbot | <PC0306> thank you | 21:22 |
| ubptgbot | <PC0306> i'll flash in my device | 21:22 |
| ubptgbot | <J0SH1X> (Photo, 750x495) https://irc.ubports.com/d0Wzy0FB.png Ubuntu server ik its not ubports but my phone doesnt have android 9 so i cant build it | 21:46 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> Hi @J0SH1X, if you want to talk about Ubuntu in general you can find us in our offtopic room, @UBportsOF | 21:48 |
| ubptgbot | <J0SH1X> Actually im wondering if there is a way to port ubports if my device only has android 10 available | 21:49 |
| ubptgbot | <dohbee> there is ongoing work to get halium 10 working | 21:49 |
| ubptgbot | <UniversalSuperBox> There are currently some experiments with porting Ubuntu Touch to Android 10 devices, but they aren't documented or ready for many people to try yet. | 21:50 |
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