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| luna | Any meeting today? | 14:20 |
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| cpaelzer | luna: MIR meeting in 8 min , but it will again be a calm and fast one | 14:22 |
| luna | cpaelzer: ah sticking around to look | 14:25 |
| cpaelzer | #startmeeting Weekly Main Inclusion Requests status | 14:30 |
| meetingology | Meeting started at 14:30:03 UTC. The chair is cpaelzer. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 14:30 |
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| cpaelzer | hello MIR party people doko ddstreet sarnold didrocks999 jamespage | 14:30 |
| jamespage | o/ | 14:30 |
| ddstreet | o/ | 14:30 |
| cpaelzer | welcome to another week that is generally crazy, but likely calm here | 14:30 |
| cpaelzer | #topic Review of previous action items | 14:30 |
| cpaelzer | none | 14:30 |
| cpaelzer | #topic current component mismatches | 14:30 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches-proposed.svg | 14:30 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg | 14:30 |
| didrocks999 | hey | 14:30 |
| cpaelzer | I spot nothing new in those two lists | 14:31 |
| cpaelzer | going on | 14:31 |
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| cpaelzer | #topic New MIRs | 14:31 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=none&field.assignee=&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 14:31 |
| cpaelzer | empty | 14:31 |
| cpaelzer | #topic Incomplete bugs / questions | 14:31 |
| cpaelzer | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?field.searchtext=&orderby=-date_last_updated&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status%3Alist=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.subscriber=ubuntu-mir | 14:31 |
| cpaelzer | nothing recent | 14:31 |
| cpaelzer | didrocks: thanks for last wek promoting the scan case that completed | 14:31 |
| cpaelzer | #topic Any other business? | 14:32 |
| didrocks | yw :) | 14:32 |
| cpaelzer | nothing from my side | 14:32 |
| didrocks | nothing for me either | 14:32 |
| doko | o/ | 14:32 |
| doko | and bye | 14:32 |
| cpaelzer | the combination of "us being on top of MIRs" plus the "time of the cycle" really shows in these calm weeks | 14:32 |
| cpaelzer | \o/ | 14:32 |
| luna | Continue to test 21.04 RCs and prepare for the release party on Thursday | 14:32 |
| luna | :) | 14:32 |
| luna | o/ | 14:32 |
| cpaelzer | that is the spirit luna | 14:33 |
| cpaelzer | but then hunt potential RC bugs everyone | 14:33 |
| cpaelzer | enjoy the release week! | 14:33 |
| cpaelzer | quick and easy - thanks everyone | 14:33 |
| cpaelzer | #endmeeting | 14:33 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 14:33:46 UTC. Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-04-20-14.30.moin.txt | 14:33 |
| didrocks | thanks everyone | 14:33 |
| sarnold | good morning | 14:34 |
| sarnold | oof. late enough to have missed the whole thing. sorry cpaelzer :( | 14:35 |
| cpaelzer | hehe | 14:36 |
| cyphermox | o/ | 18:59 |
| rbasak | o/ | 19:00 |
| sil2100 | o/ | 19:02 |
| rbasak | cyphermox: according to the agenda, you're up :) | 19:03 |
| cyphermox | uh, I did last week | 19:03 |
| cyphermox | I mean, before | 19:03 |
| rbasak | Sounds like the last chair neglected to update the agenda :-P | 19:04 |
| sil2100 | I was guilty of doing the same in the past! | 19:04 |
| mdeslaur | ±o | 19:04 |
| mdeslaur | \o | 19:04 |
| cyphermox | oh boy | 19:04 |
| cyphermox | :P | 19:04 |
| cyphermox | alrighty then | 19:04 |
| cyphermox | #startmeeting Ubuntu Technical Board | 19:05 |
| meetingology | Meeting started at 19:05:10 UTC. The chair is cyphermox. Information about MeetBot at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology | 19:05 |
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| cyphermox | #chair cyphermox rbasak | 19:05 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: cyphermox, rbasak | 19:05 |
| cyphermox | #topic Apologies | 19:05 |
| cyphermox | (but that means I was not prepared in advance, I will need to go look up things | 19:05 |
| cyphermox | ok, no apologies, apparently | 19:06 |
| cyphermox | vorlon: you around too? | 19:06 |
| cyphermox | #topic Action review | 19:07 |
| vorlon | hi, sorry I'm late | 19:07 |
| cyphermox | okay, I got what I need to continue | 19:08 |
| cyphermox | #subtopic rbasak to ask for a status update on ML re: MATE Boutique design review | 19:08 |
| cyphermox | sup :) | 19:08 |
| rbasak | I did contact Martin, but have had no response. | 19:08 |
| rbasak | I sent another email just now. | 19:08 |
| rbasak | So carry over please, and I'll keep trying to reach him. | 19:09 |
| cyphermox | okay, so let's carry on this | 19:09 |
| cyphermox | #subtopic formal ratification of third party seeded snap security policy, depends on: | 19:09 |
| cyphermox | #subtopic vorlon to circle around with store, snapcraft, et all, and revise the snap source revision policy to be more clear with regards to rebuildability and GPL compliance. | 19:09 |
| vorlon | carry over | 19:09 |
| cyphermox | #subtopic vorlon to reply to seeded snap upload permissions question on list | 19:09 |
| vorlon | carry over :/ | 19:09 |
| cyphermox | #subtopic sil2100 to start a draft summarizing the OEM archive portion of the meeting which xnox and TB will review, edit, and ratify before we move on to figuring out the next step | 19:10 |
| cyphermox | FWIW I took a task last meeting to bug vorlon, I did so; but late today... | 19:10 |
| sil2100 | Sadly another carry over! It's on my TODO list all the time | 19:10 |
| cyphermox | ok | 19:10 |
| sil2100 | I will finally do it! | 19:10 |
| cyphermox | #subtopic vorlon to update the list for Thunderbird update (https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/01/26/%23ubuntu-meeting.html#t20:22) | 19:10 |
| cyphermox | sil2100: asking the same thing I asked vorlon, is it helpful if I try to remind you? | 19:10 |
| vorlon | yeah that's a carry-over also | 19:11 |
| cyphermox | vorlon: ack | 19:11 |
| cyphermox | #topic Other agenda items | 19:11 |
| cyphermox | Nothing else was on the wiki. | 19:11 |
| cyphermox | #topic Pending mailing list items | 19:12 |
| cyphermox | ^there is xnox's request there | 19:12 |
| vorlon | which isn't really a TB matter, and I'm mid-draft on a reply :) | 19:12 |
| rbasak | Also, seb128's request, which I think is a little distinct. | 19:12 |
| sil2100 | I wanted to ask abot that actually | 19:12 |
| vorlon | right | 19:12 |
| cyphermox | rbasak: oh, I missed that one | 19:12 |
| rbasak | I would want to ask the existing team members' opinions. | 19:12 |
| vorlon | I think seb128's post is TB-relevant, and xnox's I'm going to take off list | 19:12 |
| rbasak | (in the first instance) | 19:12 |
| sil2100 | Since what I wrote in the private conversation was my understanding of the situation, but I wanted to know if maybe the TB has some powers over granting AA status? | 19:13 |
| rbasak | Since I think it makes sense for the teams to have say in how they should be run. | 19:13 |
| xnox | vorlon: well TB owns the ~ubuntu-archive team & i did CC the three ~ubuntu-archive admins =) | 19:13 |
| vorlon | sil2100: TB has extraordinary power to act on this but normally does not | 19:13 |
| xnox | i'm guessing sil2100 meant to say that TB has it delegated to the ~ubuntu-archive team admins. | 19:13 |
| cyphermox | there's something to be said on making requirements explicit and clear; as well as expectations of the position | 19:13 |
| xnox | vorlon: sil2100: i want to apply to ~ubuntu-sru too. Since ~ubuntu-kernel has too much stuff that needs help on ~ubuntu-sru & ~ubuntu-archive side of things. | 19:14 |
| xnox | and we on the kernel team want to improve that. | 19:15 |
| cyphermox | would having a list of volunteers to pick from/consider when these teams are short-staffed help at all, and make it clear that some people expressed interest and may need coaching? | 19:15 |
| rbasak | xnox: so one idea is that a member of one of these special teams doesn't necessarily join to work on their own team's stuff. | 19:16 |
| vorlon | cyphermox: who is that question directed to? :) | 19:16 |
| rbasak | To get some proper cross-team review on decisions | 19:16 |
| vorlon | as an Archive Team admin, this isn't something I'm looking for the tech board to do | 19:16 |
| cyphermox | vorlon: any relevant person here who is currently on these teams | 19:16 |
| rbasak | vorlon: something I think the TB should do is grease the wheels to get the concern answered though. | 19:17 |
| cyphermox | vorlon: I don't think it's a TB matter aside from; /maybe/, saying "pls make things clearer for people", | 19:17 |
| rbasak | vorlon: so in the first instance I'd like to hear a response from each of the three teams on that thread. | 19:17 |
| vorlon | rbasak: sure | 19:17 |
| xnox | rbasak: i fully understand that. And i know enough about the make up of the distro, seeds, components, components missmatches / arch missmatches, etc. to handle most AA requests correctly. | 19:18 |
| cyphermox | someone to take an action to make sure the responses make it? | 19:18 |
| xnox | and punt things i don't to those who are more experienced and/or seek coaching. (ie. source NEW / binary NEW reviews, which i have never done) | 19:19 |
| rbasak | xnox: so just to be clear, this is something that for at least ~ubuntu-sru I had heard Adam say multiple times - that to take this example, if you joined ~ubuntu-sru to relieve kernel backlog, you'd do that by reviewing other SRUs, and that'd make others more available to work on kernel SRUs. | 19:20 |
| rbasak | Unfortunately, recently I've been pushed to review more server SRUs than others, and I've been pushing back on that. | 19:20 |
| rbasak | (however I don't have involvement with kernel SRUs because I have no idea how they work and haven't been mentored on that side of things at all) | 19:21 |
| sil2100 | I think vorlon mentioned he's in the middle of writing a response, so let's wait on that | 19:21 |
| sil2100 | Since as he mentioned, this is more of a ubuntu-archive admin thing than TB | 19:21 |
| rbasak | Can vorlon speak for all three teams? | 19:21 |
| vorlon | to be clear, the response I'm *currently* writing is to xnox, not to seb128 | 19:22 |
| vorlon | rbasak: unfortunately yes? :) | 19:22 |
| sil2100 | ...;) | 19:22 |
| vorlon | but I will respond to seb128 as well | 19:22 |
| rbasak | Looks like he can :) | 19:22 |
| xnox | rbasak: indeed. I have versatile experience in many languages to review most SRUs too. I have done changes to server packages / openstack stuff / most of universe / toolchains / bootloaders / and things in between. Having submitted many SRUs, I have experience to understand when SRUs are under documented. And have giving review feedback / refused to sponsor SRUs until things were in a tip | 19:22 |
| xnox | top conditions. I have never used sru-accept / sru-release tooling, so that side of processing will need coaching. | 19:22 |
| rbasak | xnox: yeah yeah sure. This isn't an interview-xnox meeting :-) | 19:22 |
| vorlon | "versatile experience in many languages" but do you speak Bocce | 19:22 |
| xnox | rbasak: i did contributed to the design of many kernel packaging changes =) and like how the signing is submitted. And has changed/evolved since. *sorry* | 19:23 |
| xnox | vorlon: Keezx | 19:23 |
| rbasak | xnox: hope that didn't come across badly. I just mean that we should agree how to approach this first, without considering any individual candidate. | 19:23 |
| mdeslaur | vorlon: lol | 19:24 |
| vorlon | :) | 19:24 |
| xnox | rbasak: it's a process =) i fully understand that none of that happens overnight. And know the histories of people becoming / growing into these roles. | 19:25 |
| rbasak | Anyway, so where are we? Defer on vorlon's response representing the three teams? Any other action needed? | 19:25 |
| cyphermox | vorlon's response with the $team_hat would work for me | 19:25 |
| mdeslaur | +1 from me | 19:26 |
| cyphermox | do we need an action or is it already done? | 19:26 |
| vorlon | best to add an action I think | 19:27 |
| cyphermox | fair | 19:27 |
| cyphermox | #action vorlon to respond on list to seb128 on ~ubuntu-archive, ~ubuntu-sru team rules | 19:27 |
| meetingology | ACTION: vorlon to respond on list to seb128 on ~ubuntu-archive, ~ubuntu-sru team rules | 19:27 |
| rbasak | And ~ubuntu-release? | 19:27 |
| vorlon | ^^ | 19:28 |
| cyphermox | sure | 19:28 |
| cyphermox | #action vorlon to respond on list to seb128 on ~ubuntu-archive, ~ubuntu-sru, ~ubuntu-release team rules | 19:28 |
| meetingology | ACTION: vorlon to respond on list to seb128 on ~ubuntu-archive, ~ubuntu-sru, ~ubuntu-release team rules | 19:28 |
| cyphermox | #topic Community bugs | 19:29 |
| cyphermox | none. | 19:29 |
| cyphermox | #topic Chair for next meeting | 19:29 |
| cyphermox | #agreed Next chair rbasak, backup would be vorlon. | 19:29 |
| meetingology | AGREED: Next chair rbasak, backup would be vorlon. | 19:29 |
| * vorlon nods | 19:29 | |
| cyphermox | and I'll go update the agenda ;) | 19:29 |
| cyphermox | #subtopic AOB | 19:29 |
| cyphermox | Anything else? | 19:30 |
| rbasak | Nothing from me thanks | 19:30 |
| rbasak | And thank you for being a good sport and chairing :) | 19:30 |
| cyphermox | hehe | 19:30 |
| cyphermox | #endmeeting | 19:31 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended at 19:31:19 UTC. Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-04-20-19.05.moin.txt | 19:31 |
| mdeslaur | thanks everyone | 19:31 |
| sil2100 | o/ | 19:32 |
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