[04:44]  * enyc meows
[17:40] <mort> uh, so 21.04 releases _tomorrow_ and the nextcloud client still segfaults on startup
[17:40] <mort> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nextcloud-desktop/+bug/1923053
[17:40] <mort> this seems like an issue
[18:37] <BlackComb> I'm have a problem with my Ubuntu 20.04
[18:38] <BlackComb> after reboot / crash my computer load into a black screen with blinking cursor
[18:38] <BlackComb> How can I fix this?
[18:41] <Deano59> BlackComb: try #ubuntu
[18:41] <Deano59> and please don't cross-post, it's annoying.
[18:42] <BlackComb> okay sorry.
[22:46] <guiverc> mort, you know there is a status tracker on discourse on hirsute/21.04 don't you?
[22:50] <mort> guiverc: I did not. But I just looked it up, and it doesn't mention the issue
[22:50] <mort> assuming you're talking about https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/hirsute-hippo-21-04-release-status-tracking/21700
[22:51] <guiverc> yep, but I hadn't opened your bug report & it doesn't have release-tracking code so won't be on there anyway
[22:54] <mort> right
[22:54] <mort> it seems kind of bad to intentionally ship a new Ubuntu release which completely breaks common setups, but it's not the first time I suppose
[22:56] <mort> at least it's not as bad as the time when 19.10 shipped with a bug which would lock all Ubuntu users out of their machine if they had auto login enabled and nvidia drivers installed
[23:00] <mort> 21.04 is really good, but it's a real shame that it breaks everyone's nextcloud sync setups. I'm hoping the number of people who learn about this due to lost productivity is small, but I imagine this will result in people just not having access to files they need
[23:20] <guiverc> as I understand it, it's not a ubuntu bug, but a nextcloud bug that needs to be fixed
[23:26] <mort> but Ubuntu is shipping the broken package?
[23:27] <mort> like, if the git repo for vim changes in a way which makes vim segfault on launch on Ubuntu for whatever reason, I expect Ubuntu to not ship that version of vim until either upstream has fixed the issue or Ubuntu's maintainers have patched it to no longer segfault
[23:29] <mort> is it actually Ubuntu's policy to just dump new releases onto users, without even testing that the new release works at all on Ubuntu?
[23:30] <hggdh> well, nextcloud-desktop is in universe, so it needs a community person to look at the bug and propose a bug. OTOH, vim is in main, so a critical issue would be much more readily looked at
[23:31] <mort> so yes, it is Ubuntu's policy to ship new, untested versions of software with no verification process
[23:31] <mort> good to know I guess
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[23:37] <mort> I mean, sorry, I don't intend to be an ass about it, but I just always thought that the idea behind the central repository model was that the maintainers would make sure that the software works on the particular Linux distribution and not release new versions until incompatibilities are fixed
[23:39] <mort> I understand if that sometimes goes wrong and a big bug sneaks in, but I'm surprised that it doesn't seem to be the goal
[23:40] <mort> anyways, I'll stop discussing it now. Night