[01:59] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[03:37] <marcoagpinto> Olá!
[04:17] <wyoung> Afternoon!
[04:58] <ducasse> good morning
[06:14] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:27] <wyoung> Good afternoon!
[18:50] <[VMGuy23]> best non-chromium browser?
[18:51] <nicomachus> firefox
[18:51] <[VMGuy23]> Any others? i don't like firefox
[18:54] <lotuspsychje> links2
[18:54] <nicomachus> lol
[18:56] <nicomachus> [VMGuy23]: outside of text-only browsers, most all browsers are either built on top of chromium or firefox. you can try something like opera or even edge, but they're still built on top of chromium or firefox engines.
[18:57] <[VMGuy23]> Edge and Opera are both Chromium-based
[18:57] <[VMGuy23]> The reason why I don't want chromium-based is that they won't load webpages, not even show the loading icon
[19:32] <daftykins> well that sounds like a much more major issue
[19:34] <[VMGuy23]> Yeah, Brave might work... but the 1min startup is too much
[19:35] <daftykins> is this a steam powered PC?
[19:54] <[VMGuy23]> No, it's a snap
[19:54] <sarnold> it might be worth filing a bug and asking them to switch to lz4 compression for their snap
[20:03] <[VMGuy23]> Most chromium-based snaps are like this, Opera suffers aswell
[20:08] <daftykins> the other day you commented on software instability and issues - and i really don't think they're things others encounter, so i was asking about the PC because i think something sounds very wrong
[20:19] <[VMGuy23]> It's a 2019 Acer laptop, Aspire 3
[20:24] <daftykins> not very useful, system specs would be
[20:27] <[VMGuy23]> AMD Ryzen 3 3200u (i think) CPU with built-in AMD Radeon Vega Mobile GFX
[20:28] <[VMGuy23]> 16GB of RAM, it came with 4GB
[20:38] <ogra> if you want a fast browser take this ... https://snapcraft.io/mosaic ...
[20:39] <ogra> (only text-only browsers are faster)
[20:39] <[VMGuy23]> A modern browser
[20:39] <[VMGuy23]> Not that thing that can't display webpages properly
[20:39] <ogra> yeah, admittedly the web looks a bit greyish in it 😄
[20:40] <[VMGuy23]> yeah
[20:40] <ogra> (but it fully supports HTTP 1.0 from 1997 !!!)
[20:41] <[VMGuy23]> I mean, any not-Chromium  modern and good browsers? I dont like firefox's look
[20:42] <ogra> i guess thats your only two options apart from packaging somethig webkit based yourself
[20:42] <ogra> (webkit is well alive and kicking, but i dont think there are any browsers left that actually build on top of it)
[20:42] <[VMGuy23]> GNOME Web is a working browser
[20:43] <ogra> isnt that blink (chromium) based ?
[20:43] <[VMGuy23]> I don't know
[20:43] <[VMGuy23]> but got to go, be on 5PM UK time tommorow
[20:44] <ogra> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNOME_Web
[20:44] <ogra> there you go, it still uses webkit
[20:59] <daftykins> there's so little on-screen that isn't the page you're viewing, i don't get having an issue with a browser's appearance
[21:09] <sarnold> gotta have a button to let you fiddle with noscript and privacybadger settings
[21:15] <daftykins> :)
[21:48] <JanC> KDE also still has a webkit-based browser, I think?
[21:50] <JanC> and there is surf, luakit, qutebrowser, etc.
[21:51] <ogra> oh, awesome, i didnt know webkit still had that many users
[21:51] <JanC> but none of the Gtk/Qt webkit browsers support things like DRM'ed streaming, I think
[21:51] <JanC> so if you need that...
[21:51] <ogra> yeah
[21:52] <sarnold> qutebrowser looks nice, but I don't think I could really feel safe using a mostly-unmaintained rendering toolkit
[21:53] <ogra> (though widevine streaming isnt really great anyway ... i prefer to get more than SD quality so i rearely bother to stream netflix or amazon under linux)
[21:53] <JanC> ogra: others don't have those limits with Widevine
[21:53] <ogra> "others" ?
[21:54] <JanC> like some TV stations & such
[21:54] <ogra> ah, yeah ...
[21:54]  * ogra uses vdr for in-house TV streaming 😉 
[21:54] <ogra> https://snapcraft.io/vdr-server
[21:54] <ogra> shameless plug 😉
[21:55]  * sarnold looks for a slot..
[21:55] <ogra> haha
[21:55] <JanC> those TV stations get forced to use DRM for some things, but don't really care themselves
[21:58] <JanC> you can "find" almost everything from Netflix/Amazon/etc. in 4K for free, so apparently those "superior" DRM used for higher resolutions are completely useless, and I don't understand why they even bother...