[00:00] <sneakyimp> Eric^^: not sure what you mean by 'first bunch' but some of those are damaged, one or two list a file e.g., Recovery.txt or in one case a folder NVIDIA
[00:00] <sneakyimp> aw man i fat fingered the keys now i have to scan all over again. i wish testdisk cached these scan results
[00:01] <haijuno> sneakyimp, put your fingers on a diet
[00:08] <sneakyimp> haijuno: my fingers are starving
[00:09] <haijuno> Lies. They're sneaking oreos when you're not looking
[00:09] <sneakyimp> steady diet of boogers
[00:09] <haijuno> ewww gross
[00:09] <haijuno> lol
[00:11] <sneakyimp> tastey boogs
[00:48] <nunya> ps -a used to show running programs now only shows PID TTY TIME CMD 52969 pts/0    00:00:00 ps Any idea how to get it to show running programs again?
[00:48] <sarnold> nunya: what's the output of mount | grep ^proc  ?
[00:49] <sarnold> I'm guessing it'll include hidepid=2 or something similar
[00:49] <nunya> sarnold:on /proc type proc (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime)
[00:51] <nunya> sarnold: Is there some config file I can edit to make it work like it used to?
[00:52] <nunya> sarnold: It was a useful command in case some process wouldn't die when I closed the gui of a program. I could kill it's name or number.
[00:59] <sarnold> nunya: hmm, strange. not what I expected.
[00:59] <goddard> any way to improve performance
[01:00] <goddard> i have an i7 and it is kind of slow evne though not using all resources
[01:00] <sarnold> nunya: are there messages in dmesg that look related?
[01:00] <goddard> graphically it is slow
[01:00] <goddard> just running two displays
[01:00] <goddard> is that normal?
[01:00] <goddard> its my laptop with an i7
[01:01] <leftyfb> goddard: install the proper video drivers
[01:02] <goddard> i looked at available drivers and it shows nothing
[01:02] <leftyfb> goddard: which chipset do you have?
[01:03] <goddard> i7-8550U
[01:03] <goddard> Mesa Intel UHD Graphics 620 KBL GT2
[01:04] <goddard> can that not run 1 4k monitor and the laptops own 1080p display?
[01:06] <sarnold> goddard: I've got a i7-8650U with Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 620 (rev 07) and it runs an 3840x2160 external and 2560x1440 internal pretty well. I normally have the internal turned off, and I don't do gaming, but I'm pretty happy with the setup
[01:06] <nunya> sarnold: dmesg has about 20 pages worth of stuff relating to memory devices usb network but nothing about processes or commands
[01:07] <sarnold> nunya: nothing about /proc? how about apparmor DENIED lines?
[01:07] <goddard> sarnold i just do web development and it is chugging graphically
[01:07] <goddard> after i click it takes like a second or two to switch apps and get a response
[01:08] <sarnold> goddard: when I first got my system, the first two ways I used to hook up my monitor caused it to run at 30hz, which was pretty much unusuable
[01:08] <sarnold> goddard: are they snap apps?
[01:08] <sarnold> goddard: are you running into swap?
[01:08] <goddard> no swap just 10gigs of ram but still have 9 left
[01:10] <nunya> sarnold: Yes see pastebin https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jpTwT3JtYT/
[01:11] <sarnold> nunya: ah. you may need to ask the pop_OS! folks for help.
[01:12] <sarnold> goddard: heh, you're in gui with just one gig ram used? amazing :)
[01:12] <sarnold> goddard: bummer though, that makes it harder to guess what's involved :/
[01:12] <goddard> ya im really unsure about it
[01:15] <nunya> sarnold: There are only 5 people there and they must all be sleeping!
[01:15] <nunya> sarnold: #popos right?
[01:16] <sarnold> !popos
[01:16] <ubottu> The Ubuntu channels can only provide support for Ubuntu and its official flavors, since other distributions and derivatives have repository and software changes. So please use their dedicated support venues, for example: Linux Mint (#linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org), Kali Linux (#kali-linux), and LXLE (#lxle)
[01:16] <sarnold> hmm, I thought that factoid had a link to their forums
[01:16] <sarnold> I don't think they do irc
[01:17] <nunya> #!popos has just me in it. I think ! doesn't belong
[01:17] <goddard> sarnold i rebooted and it was faster
[01:17] <goddard> sarnold but then just went back to being slower after starting firefox
[01:18] <goddard> maybe i am just so accustom to my desktop
[01:19] <sarnold> nunya: the "!popos" was me asking the bot for that factoid
[01:23] <nunya> sarnold: I accidentally switched from Ubuntu with Cinnamon to Pop. Any way to get back?
[01:24] <sarnold> nunya: heh, I didn't realize that you could switch short of a re-install
[01:24] <nunya> sarnold: I'm not even sure how it happened in the first place.
[01:25] <nunya> Installed a few things with Synaptic this morning and evidently it swithed me to PopOS at the same time.
[01:26] <sarnold> *wow*
[01:27] <Arc1> what is the correct mount point for a new data partition?
[01:28] <sarnold> whatever is convenient
[01:28] <nunya> That or -dist upgrade. I had some problem I was trying to correct and some Google result had the command that switched it. I went back through my terminal command history didn't see the offending command.
[01:29] <Arc1> tried /mnt and system stopped booting before the Plymoth screen
[01:29] <DarkTrick> **Q** @fc-cache: It's stated that " fc-cache  must  be executed once per architecture to generate font information customized for that architecture". However, on my machine it runs every once in a while (maybe 2 - 4 times per week); It also consumes 100% CPU when doing so. Is that usual behavior?
[01:31] <sarnold> Arc1: hmm, that's surprising; I've never had a mount on /mnt that persisted across reboots, but that feels like it ought not happen
[01:32] <Arc1> sarnold: just from what you just said, it seem /mnt is not the place to put it so what location would you recommend?
[01:32] <sarnold> Arc1: /mnt/arc1 maybe, or /mnt/movies etc
[01:33] <Arc1> sarnold: but didn't you just say that mounting on /mnt... would not persist btw reboots?
[01:34] <sarnold> Arc1: I said that I've never done it, not that it can't be done; I usually used a /mnt/foo or /mnt/backup or /mnt/movies depending upon what I was doing with it
[01:34] <Arc1> sarnold: maybe there is a better place than /mnt?
[01:36] <sarnold> Arc1: maybe; I've got a huge pile of zfs datasets now.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Y6qjgr4xK4/ https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/dR2RrYR3qS/  :)
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[01:36] <sarnold> Arc1: so I've got datasets mounted all over the place, each for a different task
[01:40] <rfm> Arc1, fwiw I've seen many schemes over the years, depending on sysadmin taste.  /vol/<label> was popular, also /export/hostname<n> for disks that were nfs exported, these days I use /<hostname>/export/<label> for exported disks
[01:40] <rfm> Arc1, advantage of that is it kind of matches URL and Windows patths like \\host\id
[01:41] <rfm> Arc1, I do *not* use /mnt/something since I tend to do "mount /dev/blah /mnt" for temporary mounts which would hide the /mnt/foo mount point
[01:42] <Arc1> I want to keep it simple and all I've done was to create a new ext4 partition for data, edited fstab to mount it on /mnt at boot and the system stopped to boot...
[01:43] <rfm> Arc1, that actually just sounds like you somehow typoed the fstab line, the mount point used shouldn't matter (unless it was /, /usr, or something else already in use)
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[01:56] <Arc1> rfm: just booted from my emerg usb booter, the system overwrote my fstab - any idea why?
[02:01] <Arc1> rfm: this was my fstab before it got overwritten: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ZHMD5V7CWR/ do you see any problems with the last UUID line?
[02:01] <sarnold> you have a floppy?
[02:02] <Arc1> yes
[02:10] <Arc1> so if the issue is in the mount point field, what would be the most bullet-proof solution for a permanent mount?
[02:19] <Arc1> does anyone see any issues with /var/data?
[02:20] <MIF> I don't have a /var/data
[02:21] <MIF> Arc1: do tree /var/data
[02:22] <Arc1> MIF: I don't have /var/data I have /var and I would like to mount the data partition to it
[02:23] <MIF> OH
[02:23] <MIF> no I don't see any issues with having /var/data
[02:23] <MIF> I personaly use /data
[02:23] <MIF> I try not to do much in /var/*
[02:24] <MIF> the one exctptoon is /var/www
[02:25] <MIF> and that is just me Personaly
[02:25] <sarnold> Arc1: /var/data should be fine
[02:25] <Arc1> MIF: I don't have "/data", don't I have to mount to some existing directory in the file system?
[02:26]  * MIF thinks
[02:27] <MIF> I don't *THINK* so, but I cannot be too sure
[02:27] <MIF> I don't *THINK* so, but I am not too sure
[02:27] <MIF> Accult
[02:27] <MIF> I can quick run a test
[02:27] <MIF> brb
[02:28] <MIF> Yes Arc1 you are correct
[02:29] <MIF> you do NEED to have the folder corrated
[02:29] <MIF> *created
[02:29] <MIF> sorry I am tired
[02:29] <Arc1> for complete confirmatiion, a question for everyone then, can you mount something only to an existing directory in the file system or just come up with a new dir and the system will mount it (to /)?
[02:30] <MIF> I just tested it
[02:30] <MIF> and you need to create the dir first
[02:33] <sarnold> Arc1: the directory has to exist
[02:33] <sarnold> (or, if you're bind-mounting, you can also mount a file ontop of another file)
[02:33] <MIF> oh that is a good idea
[02:34] <MIF> a very good idea
[02:36] <Arc1> so the correct sequence would be to create a new directory in the file system: either "/data" or "/var/data" and then specify that as a mount point in fstab?
[02:36] <MIF> I *think* so
[02:36] <MIF> sarnold?
[02:37] <sarnold> well, the fstab is only used (a) at boot (b) when you issue a mount command with just one parameter -- the directory has to exist before those two points
[02:38] <Arc1> and /mnt should just be used for temporary mounts?
[02:38] <MIF> I use it for just test
[02:40] <MIF> sarnold: if I blind mount something, will things that use that folder still run?
[02:44] <sarnold> MIF: that's *really* fun -- if you mount over a directory, it's *really* hard to figure out what's going on. programs that are stored there will keep working, but no processes will be able to open any files stored in the shadowed directory
[02:45] <sarnold> MIF: this is sometimes used by hackers as a way to hide their tools
[02:46]  * MIF might just use it to hide files that he does not need people to access
[02:46] <MIF> :>
[02:46] <MIF> like my /data dir
[02:51] <Arc1> ok, but can anyone offer an explanation why my attempt to mount on /mnt wouldn't let the system boot?
[02:55] <Arc1> rfm: in the "/vol/<label>" example you gave above, was "label" human readable or a long UUID code?
[03:01] <Arc1> a diff question, how to change the computer name
[03:10] <orion> Hi. On ubuntu-server 20.04, how can I set a sysctl value when a network interface is created? Specifically, a dummy interface that will never be up/online.
[03:10] <Bashing-om> Arc1: Try: https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-change-hostname-on-ubuntu-18-04-bionic-beaver-linux .
[03:10] <orion> None of the operational states in networkd-dispatcher do what I want.
[03:11] <orion> I am looking for a way to launch a script the moment a command such as "ip link add dummy0 type dummy" completes.
[03:11] <orion> (I.e. the interface is created, but does not have a carrier, will never have a carrier, and will never be set to "UP")
[03:16] <sneakyimp> Eric^^: one item listed contains an NVIDIA folder which appears to be related to my efforts to fix an audio problem prior to my computer not booting-----> D MS Data                   468992  919842088  919373097
[03:17] <sneakyimp> Eric^^: another is [boot] and contains System Volume Information: ---> D MS Data                   468992  919842088  919373097
[03:18] <Arc1> Bashing-om: thank you; will the same commands work on 20.04?
[03:19] <EriC^^> sneakyimp: aha
[03:20] <sneakyimp> eric^^: in fact, every single one marked [boot] has 'System Volume Information' and every single one marked [EFI System Partition] [EFISECTOR] contains an EFI folder
[03:20] <sneakyimp> *all* the other ones are "Can't open filesystem. Filesystem seems damaged."
[03:21] <Bashing-om> Arc1: Honestly - I change the name by editing a couple of system files, myself. So can not directly say, but I have run hostnamectl in 20.04.
[03:22] <sneakyimp> one of them has Recovery and System Volume Information directories and a file named $WINRE_BACKUP_PARTITION.MARKER
[03:25] <Arc1> Bashing-om: coming back to a multiboot instal, the 2nd choice of Xubuntu 20.04 instaler is to install 18.04 and 20.04 "alongside" - does the instaler mean on the same partition?
[03:28] <Bashing-om> Arc1: NO - each install to its own partition.
[03:39] <Arc1> Bashing-om: option 4 "something else" does give a choice of partitions, was wondering if option 2 does as well...
[03:41] <Arc1> just didn't want to screw up an existing partition if there was no way of backing out of option 2
[03:47] <Bashing-om> Arc1: Sorry - my memory is not up to defining "option 2" :(
[03:49] <Arc1> Bashing-om: is there a way to get root access when booting from an instaler usb?
[03:49] <Arc1> sudo doesn't work...
[03:53] <Bashing-om> Arc1: No idea - never had the occasion to try.
[04:01] <Arc1> Bashing-om: I am in a situation where trying to add a new data partition prevented the comp from booting upon checking I saw to my surprise that fstab was completely overwritten, to fix it I tried to boot a usb installer but without root access I can't edit fstab...
[04:03] <Bashing-om> Arc1: The live environment certainly supports sudo.
[04:06] <Arc1> Bashing-om: I guess I'll try again but it didn't work for me before... logicaly though, if live is just to try out there are no passwrods set up and without them, how can sudo work?
[04:08] <Bashing-om> Arc1: In this live environment *IF* a password is required - try as "ubuntu".
[04:10] <Arc1> Bashing-om: password was not asked for, no error messages were given but the command was not executed...
[04:13] <Bashing-om> Arc1: Humm -- in the event of a command not able to perform - bash will say why. Maybe it did ( success is no output back in terminal) and what you expected is not what resulted ?
[04:14] <Arc1> right
[04:22] <Arc1> time for me to sign off, good night :)
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[06:09] <RonWhoCares> Cam anyone help with "Dummy Output"
[06:10] <TheBigK02> RonWhoCares: please give more details what ur wanting to do
[06:11] <RonWhoCares> I have Armbian installed.  I believe this is Ubuntu 21.04.  I can't get the sound card to run
[06:11] <RonWhoCares> I get 'no soundcards found'
[06:11] <RonWhoCares> I have a USB one and one on the single board computer
[06:12] <RonWhoCares> I have installed the latest version of alsa-utils
[06:13] <RonWhoCares> I simply don't know how to get the computer to acknowledge the sound card
[06:15] <TheBigK02> a usb soundcard doesnt cut it... lusb
[06:16] <TheBigK02> lsusb might help here
[06:16] <RonWhoCares> lsub does show USB AudioDevice
[06:16] <TheBigK02> thats detailed stuff :D
[06:17] <RonWhoCares> But then I only have  " dummy output " under the speaker on the desktop
[06:17] <RonWhoCares> I can't use it
[06:17] <TheBigK02> u use gnome?
[06:17] <RonWhoCares> How do I check what is installed
[06:17] <TheBigK02> if ur using the normal ubuntu, it should be gnome then...
[06:19] <RonWhoCares> It is Armbian I installed
[06:20] <TheBigK02> it seems like its xface based...
[06:21] <TheBigK02> xfce. sorry ;)
[06:21] <RonWhoCares> I believe this is currect
[06:22] <RonWhoCares> What confuses me is lsub shows the audio device but aplay -l shows no soundcards found
[06:22] <TheBigK02> can u pastebin alsa-info ?
[06:24] <TheBigK02> did u try #armbian for help already? im not rly an expert on that front
[06:25] <RonWhoCares> https://pastebin.com/PkNhH6Dc
[06:26] <RonWhoCares> I have not asked in #armbian yet
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[06:31] <leftyfb> RonWhoCares: we can't support armbian here. It's not Ubuntu
[06:34] <TheBigK02> RonWhoCares: what caught my eye is that no snd_usb_audio is loaded in the alsa modules list
[06:35] <TheBigK02> RonWhoCares: check for documentation and /etc/alsa/conf.d for related configuration needed
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[08:31] <luna>  /j #ubuntu-desktop
[08:57] <Peanut> Oh, fun.. "A start job is running for Import Zcache.. (1h47m14/no limt)" - how do you escape from something like that?
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[10:00] <TJ-> Problem: On 20.04,  amdgpu, external HDMI monitor *interlaced* modelines are seen and reported in the EDID, but are not shown by xrandr (and so it selects a progressive 1280x720 instead). On another PC with Intel GPU but same OS install, these modes work. Seems to indicate an amdgpu issue
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[11:59] <XATRIX> Hi guys, can you advice ? I have ubuntu server with openvpn installed on. I need to bridge ens18 my LAN adapter network nad my VPN network. I need my VPN clients to be able to reach my LAN
[12:00] <XATRIX> http://i.imgur.com/isDTS4V.png - that's a network
[12:00] <XATRIX> i tried to add ens18 and tap0 into the brctl br0
[12:00] <XATRIX> but i lost control of
[12:02] <XATRIX> I chose bridging instead of routed TUN device, because of, i'd like not to tune iptables for routing process. Simply, get connected client briged into the LAN
[12:35] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:46] <felco> hello guys, I´m experiencing lots of computer freeze with latest 20.04. my proc is an amd ryzen 1700 with a nvidia gpu. it hangs randomily and there is no indication of what is happening in the logs
[12:48] <felco> sadly i had to use my old windows install, and it is going good, the hibernation works and so far it didn`t froze
[12:50] <TheBigK02> felco: do u use the official nvidia driver or the nouveau driver... that might be an indication if something is wrong
[12:51] <TheBigK02> felco: i remember that i had similar issues with the nouveau driver in the past and switched to the propitary one to fix it
[12:51] <felco> yes... i use the offial nvidia driver, right now it is the 460 version
[12:51] <TheBigK02> which nvidia gpu u got
[12:51] <felco> gtx 1080
[12:52] <TheBigK02> okay... pascal... yeah that should work with that driver. there was a bug in it which made my X-session crashing... but thats solved by now... hmmm
[12:52] <felco> yeah I had that too
[12:53] <TheBigK02> is it rly completely frozen? did u try to remote ssh into it?
[12:53] <TheBigK02> cause sometimes its just the X-session that freezes and not the linux kernel itself
[12:53] <felco> yes, that is what I used to do in the case you mentioned, but that time it wont works as the machine hangs there is no communication
[12:54] <TheBigK02> weird...
[12:55] <felco> the machine really crash
[12:55] <TheBigK02> ur temps are fine? nothing overheating ?
[12:55] <felco> i was thinking the same thing would happen on windows, but it didnt so I dont think I have a hardware problem
[12:56] <felco> nah, this machine is running without any overclock
[12:56] <felco> and the fans are good
[12:56] <TheBigK02> that doesnt mean that u have not a temprature problem... install lm-sensors
[12:56] <TheBigK02> another thing is check the smart status of ur hard drive
[12:56] <TheBigK02> and a memcheck doesnt hurt as well
[12:57] <felco> its not that, yesterday i ran gta v for sometime and it didnt crashed
[12:57] <TheBigK02> when did the problem start
[12:58] <TheBigK02> was that always a problem in ubuntu?
[12:58] <TheBigK02> u can also check for software update history in /var/log/apt/history.log
[12:58] <felco> started with 20.04, i had used 18.04 on this machine some time ago and it used to be stable
[12:58] <felco> this is a fresh install
[12:58] <TheBigK02> hmpf...
[12:58] <TheBigK02> this is hard to debug then...
[12:59] <felco> yeah
[12:59] <TheBigK02> anything in the syslog ? does it look like the syslog file is aborting in middle of write? do u have file system problems while resetting ?
[13:00] <felco> this install is on a new nvme drive
[13:01] <TheBigK02> if the system freezes, it doesnt mean that the filesystem is in good shape when it randomly freezes
[13:01] <felco> and the syslog has nothing, in the event of the crash, there is no kernel panic or any failure in the logs, just the reboot
[13:01] <TheBigK02> u do the reboot manually ? or does it happen automatically
[13:02] <oerheks> on your 20.04, do you have HWE enabled?
[13:02] <felco> i have to manually turn off the machine
[13:02] <oerheks> !hwe
[13:02] <ubottu> The Ubuntu LTS enablement stacks provide newer kernel and X support for existing LTS releases, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[13:02] <felco> i dont know, i didnt enable that
[13:02] <TheBigK02> u might wanna try a newer kernel to see if that changes things
[13:03] <oerheks> it can be enabled automaticly, if you installed fresh 20.04.,1
[13:03] <TheBigK02> i would think its enabled. or is 460 nvidia driver also in normal lts
[13:03] <oerheks> 460 is available without HWE, yes
[13:04] <TheBigK02> which kernel ur running?
[13:04] <felco> wouldnt that append a HWE on the kernel version?
[13:04] <felco> if so, that is not the kernel I using
[13:04] <oerheks> 5.4 > 5.8
[13:05] <TheBigK02> a bios update might be a worth a try... or atleast check the CHANGELOG if u find something useful in there
[13:05] <felco> this is the latest version for my mobo
[13:05] <TheBigK02> oki
[13:06] <raub> How do I identify/select an interface in preseed using its MAC address?
[13:12] <oerheks> raub, from ansible?
[13:12] <oerheks> _isknownhost is a function that calls ansible-inventory to find a system with a matching mac address.
[13:13] <raub> oerheks: nothing that fancy. Just the garden variety PXE boot which then feeds the preeseed file
[13:38] <MadLamb> Can anyone explain me why "ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel" is emty?
[13:38] <MadLamb> empty*
[13:40] <EriC^^> MadLamb: type "dpkg -S /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel"
[13:48] <f-a> hello
[13:48] <f-a> I have a  fullchain.pem  and a  privkey.pem  and would like to check validity, expiration date and other info
[13:48] <f-a> which tool do I use?
[13:48] <f-a> *should
[13:55] <rory> f-a, ssh-keygen command does all this stuff
[13:56] <f-a> thanks
[13:59] <MadLamb> EriC^^, linux-modules-extra-5.4.0-72-generic, linux-modules-5.4.0-72-generic: /lib/modules/5.4.0-72-generic/kernel
[14:02] <EriC^^> MadLamb: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall linux-modules-extra-5.4.0-72-generic linux-modules-5.4.0-72-generic
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[14:09] <nightBulb> Greetings people,
[14:09] <nightBulb> Question: Any idea, when 21.04 will be available for "dist-upgrade -c" ?
[14:09] <TomyWork> that directory definitely contains stuff on bionic with that version. including a cifs.ko with broken DFS support
[14:11] <TomyWork> nightBulb, that tool isn't present on bionic, so i don't know what that command does, but i saw several packages already upgrade to include 21.10, so I'd be very surprised if you couldn't upgrade yet
[14:13] <nightBulb> TomyWork, I am actually on Groovy ... And had some time to update, but it doesn't seem to be available, or the prompt doesn't seem to be appearing.
[14:14] <TomyWork> groovy is 20.10, right?
[14:14] <nightBulb> Yup
[14:14] <TomyWork> nightBulb, btw, do you have any DFS shares nearby?
[14:14] <nightBulb> DFS ?
[14:15] <TomyWork> DFS is a CIFS extension, basically an indirection layer for windows shares
[14:15] <remline> nightBulb: Per the hiruste release notes, "Upgrades from Ubuntu 20.10 to Ubuntu 21.04 are not enabled as it is possible for some systems to end up in an unbootable state if they use EFI version 1.10 - bug 1925010. Release upgrades will be enabled once an updated version of shim is available which is compatible with EFI version 1.10."
[14:15] <TomyWork> usually (but not necessaryily) \\server\DFS\blah
[14:15] <ubottu> bug 1925010 in shim (Ubuntu Hirsute) "shim-signed 15.4 does not boot on EFI 1.10 systems" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1925010
[14:16] <nightBulb> I use Samba for file sharing ... (quite simple setup) home NAS
[14:16] <TomyWork> yeah that probably doesn't use DFS
[14:16] <TomyWork> more of a corporate thing
[14:16] <nightBulb> Yup
[14:17] <nightBulb> TomyWork, any idea how to check EFI version, my laptop does use EFI ... but don't know version ...
[14:17] <nightBulb> dist-upgrade -d seems to start update to Hirsute
[14:17] <TomyWork> no idea, maybe remline knows?
[14:18] <nightBulb> But it appears to switch it to devel version so I'm hesitant especially after just being made aware of bug 1925010
[14:18] <ubottu> bug 1925010 in shim (Ubuntu Hirsute) "shim-signed 15.4 does not boot on EFI 1.10 systems" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1925010
[14:20] <nightBulb> pardon UEFI and EFI different ?
[14:24] <TomyWork> u stands for ubuntu
[14:24] <nightBulb> :P
[14:24] <TomyWork> (no it doesn't, I'm messing with you)
[14:24] <nightBulb> :D
[14:39] <TJ-> nightBulb: finding EFI version, usually from kernel log: " journalctl -k | grep efi: "
[14:44] <basenode> is there a recent bluetooth bug in ubuntu? my headphones have started randomly disconnecting and reconnecting a few days ago
[14:47] <luna> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmthCRF-NQQ Ubuntu Youtube stream
[14:52] <MadLamb> EriC^^, that solved the issue, thanks
[14:52] <EriC^^> MadLamb: no problem
[14:56] <MadLamb> I'm trying to use a usb-c dongle from Aukey on Ubuntu 20.04 but It doesnt recognize the Ethernet port. I did find this https://askubuntu.com/questions/887036/why-is-the-ethernet-not-working-with-aukey-usb-c-hub and https://github.com/rickhofstede/linksys_usb3gigv1_linux, but I am not able to compile.
[14:57] <MadLamb> when I run make I get No rule to make target 'arch/x86/tools/relocs_32.c', needed by 'arch/x86/tools/relocs_32.o'.
[14:58] <TJ-> MadLamb: probably didn't do a "make modules_prepare"
[15:00] <MadLamb> TJ-, that gives me the same error (No rule to make target 'arch/x86/tools/relocs_32.c', needed by 'arch/x86/tools/relocs_32.o'.  Stop.)
[15:07] <TJ-> MadLamb: usually, when building out-of-tree modules, there needs to have been at least one build of the kernel (vmlinux) itself OR the kernel-headers packages matching the kernel being built for need to be installed
[15:09] <nightBulb> Thanks TJ- :)
[15:09] <MadLamb> TJ-, how can I install the kernel header packages matching the kernel being built?
[15:10] <nightBulb> Managed to find EFI version
[15:10] <MadLamb> TJ-, https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal-updates/linux-headers-5.4.0-72-generic doesnt seem to have i386
[15:10] <nightBulb> With your solution ...
[15:11] <MadLamb> but I am on amd64 :B
[15:14] <MadLamb> TJ-, this driver is trying to use i386 headers but my machine is x86_64
[15:14] <TJ-> MadLamb: I've been attempting a build of the github repo and it fails in 'interesting' ways so I don't think it's your fault; I suspect the repo isn't complete but the publisher of it had some build artifacts already available on their system so didn't see these issues
[15:15] <MadLamb> TJ-, ah right :/
[15:15] <MadLamb> TJ-, just saw this issue here https://github.com/rickhofstede/linksys_usb3gigv1_linux/issues/10
[15:16] <TJ-> MadLamb: which Ubuntu release are you using? I have the r8152 module already. Check "modinfo r8152"
[15:17] <MadLamb> TJ-, seems to be there (description:    Realtek RTL8152/RTL8153 Based USB Ethernet Adapters)
[15:21] <fishfry> need some advice on distributed authentication like NIS. I need to set up a small cluster of two servers and 1/2 a dozen VM's (all Ubuntu except for one rhel 8).  I understand NIS is not good enough for modern environments. What's the alternative?
[15:21] <MadLamb> brb
[15:25] <MadLamb> TJ-, everything solved with a restart... no driver was needed
[15:25] <MadLamb> TJ-, feels like windwos
[15:25] <MadLamb> windows
[15:27] <TJ-> MadLamb: if you installed the udev rules file then that was what caused it to work
[15:40] <VegetarianFalcon> Hi
[15:40] <VegetarianFalcon> My lenovo laptop with Ubuntu 20 doesnt boot but shows just this.
[15:40] <VegetarianFalcon> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/81hEzIca/20210423_220344.jpg
[15:41] <VegetarianFalcon> It's a newly bought and newly installed laptop
[15:41] <VegetarianFalcon> I used it for about 10 times.
[15:42] <VegetarianFalcon> At those times, it worked well. Now it doesn't work, but shows this message and stuck. Please help. Thanks in advance.
[15:44] <ioria> VegetarianFalcon, can you switch to another console (ctrl+alt+f3) ?
[15:44] <VegetarianFalcon> ioria: I'll try
[15:46] <VegetarianFalcon> ioria: i tried. It doesn't work
[15:46] <ioria> VegetarianFalcon, so, you need to boot in recovery Mode
[15:47] <VegetarianFalcon> ioria: how should I do?
[15:47] <ioria> !recovery
[15:47] <ubottu> If your system fails to boot normally, it may be useful to boot it into recovery mode. For instructions, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode
[15:48] <VegetarianFalcon> Thanks
[15:52] <VegetarianFalcon> ioria: i pressed shift key. Tried both long press and repeated quick press. Tried it three times. It doesn't work
[15:53] <Intelo>  If application needs to be deployed on clien'ts premises but data / code not intended to be disclosed, is providing him with virtual box vm with no password (but auto logged in session at start active but screen locked) a viable option or any other ?
[15:53] <sacarde> hi
[15:53] <ioria> VegetarianFalcon, it usually works; well, then you need a Live, chroot and stuff
[15:53] <sacarde> how is possible to have a keyboard for tty.. nd another keyboard for graphic consolle?
[15:54] <ioria> VegetarianFalcon, you can try with 'Esc' instead of Shift tho
[15:54] <VegetarianFalcon> Oh. I'll try again
[16:08] <VegetarianFalcon> ioria: I'm on grub> command line, GNU GRUB
[16:08] <ioria> VegetarianFalcon, nope, that's another thing
[16:09] <VegetarianFalcon> How can I get out of it?
[16:09] <ioria> VegetarianFalcon, with a LiveCD
[16:09] <VegetarianFalcon> Oh
[16:09] <VegetarianFalcon> What's a LiveCD?
[16:09] <VegetarianFalcon> How can I do it?
[16:09] <ioria> VegetarianFalcon, what ? how did you install ubuntu ?
[16:10] <VegetarianFalcon> I asked the service center to install it for me
[16:10] <VegetarianFalcon> Ubuntu 20.04
[16:10] <VegetarianFalcon> Onto Lenovo
[16:10] <ioria> !livecd
[16:11] <ioria> VegetarianFalcon, The Ubuntu Desktop ISO is a "Live" image, which can be run without altering existing files on your hard drive. Especially useful for testing your hardware's compatibility, it also includes an install option.
[16:11] <ubottu> The Ubuntu Desktop ISO is a "Live" image, which can be run without altering existing files on your hard drive. Especially useful for testing your hardware's compatibility, it also includes an install option.
[16:12] <ioria> VegetarianFalcon, you probably just need to run a 'fsck' and maybe a 'full-upgrade', but a chelò  prompt is required
[16:13] <ioria> *shell
[16:15] <VegetarianFalcon> ioria: thanks. But i think i can't do it myself. I will get it fixed by my Java teacher.
[16:15] <VegetarianFalcon> Thanks for your help though.
[16:16] <ioria> ok
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[17:09] <Kraus> Any idea why Ubuntu would launch cli only the morning after it launched to GUI the previous night?
[17:18] <godane> looks like virtualbox has a depend issue with virtualbox-ext-pack
[17:18] <godane> it has a unmet dependencies issue like this:  Depends: virtualbox (>= 6.1.20-dfsg-0~) but 6.1.18-dfsg-5 is to be installed
[17:19] <godane> whats funny is virtualbox-guest-additions-iso 6.1.20-1 doesn't have any unmet depends
[17:20] <godane> even though i'm i have virtualbox 6.1.18-dfsg-5
[17:21] <Kraus> godane: This just happened last night?
[17:21] <Kraus> Because everything was working yesterday
[17:21] <nezxan> got a new machine, have ubuntu 20.10 running (stock gnome, stock everything, fresh install) and notice a slight delay between pressing the windows key and the activities overview being initiated ; very annoying, any pointers how to possibly solve this?
[17:21] <nezxan> (windows key == super key)
[17:22] <Kraus> godane: Curious if you're using the Ubuntu package for Virtualbox or their own repository?
[17:23] <godane> i'm using ubuntu packages from archive.ubuntu.com
[17:24] <Kraus> Yesterday when I was troubleshooting something with #vbox the first thing they had me do is use their version. It has all the latest updates.
[17:24] <godane> i apt-mirror the repo for my stuff
[17:25] <Kraus> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads under the section "Debian-based Linux distributions"
[17:25] <godane> for some reason the iso and ext-pack got update but not virtualbox itself
[17:29] <godane> anyways i'm just going to wait for that virtubox in ubuntu repo to be fix
[17:30] <godane> i'm install it currenty in a chroot of yesterday's release
[17:44] <nezxan> anyone reading above issue, stupid of me ; first I should upgrade to 21.04 (doing it now)
[17:44] <nezxan> might be gone anyways then
[17:45] <nezxan> when I installed the system (I think it was two or three days ago), 20.10 was still the "newest" one on ubuntu.com ; bad timing :P
[18:01] <jpmh> I have been making SD cards for Raspberry Pi computers by just dd copying to /dev/sda for years.  Everyone else seems to download etcher or some other utility to do it.  Is there any reason that what I am doing is not OK?
[18:03] <oerheks> jpmh, yes, use the rpi-imager , not exactly sure why it differs from dd ... https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/
[18:04] <jpmh> oerheks: so, r u saying that what I am doing is OK?
[18:04] <oerheks> well, test it with dd, if it works, have fun
[18:05] <jpmh> seems to me that we have a REAL OS in linux, why not use the eatures it has, like dd
[18:05] <jpmh> oerheks:as I say, have been doing it this way for years.  I sell a procut based on the PiZeroW and have created almost 1100 systems at this time
[18:05] <oerheks> our wiki says the same; https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-sdcard-ubuntu-server-raspberry-pi#2-prepare-the-sd-card
[18:06] <jpmh> oerheks:so, does the dd have the effect of layng down a format on the card, clearly it is laying down a file system, since it is a dd
[18:07] <oerheks> no, dd is bit copy, no change to the filesystem in the image
[18:07] <oerheks> not sure anyway, why it is suggested to use the tool, easy to find out, try with dd yourself?
[18:08] <oerheks> i just have a rpi-2, which works with dd, AFAIK
[18:08] <oerheks> maybe rpi-4 is different?
[18:11] <leftyfb> it's not
[18:12] <leftyfb> jpmh: there's nothing wrong with using dd in this case
[18:12] <oerheks> i thought so too, but could not get the bits that say so.
[18:13] <jpmh> oerheks:what I was saying by the dd copy is that BECAUSE it is a bit-copy, as you call it, it DOES lay down the file system
[18:16] <leftyfb> jpmh: it lays down a bit by bit copy of whatever is in that image. It does not do anything with filesystems on it's own
[18:17] <jpmh> leftyfb:YES, that's what I was trying, apparen,tly not well, to say.  Since I copy a working SD card to the new SD card I am copying the file system, at least as I understand it
[18:18] <jpmh> the part that I am not understanding is what "format" is .  Is this working because the SD cards that I buy are already formatted?
[18:18] <oerheks> just make sure with DD that you flush the cache with sync
[18:18] <jpmh> oerheks:interesting - have never done that- but now you mention it, it does make complete sense
[18:19] <jpmh> oerheks:I use sync when mounting and removing other things, why not here, I ask myself.  So, thank you
[18:19] <oerheks> have fun!
[18:20] <jpmh> oerheks:and leftyfb Thank You.  You did confirm that what I am and have been doing is fine.  I appreciate that
[18:22] <leftyfb> jpmh: the format(filesystem) on the storage device does not matter that all (other than it should be unmounted before using dd on it). It gets overridden what whatever is on the image file you are using as the input file
[18:23] <jpmh> leftyfb:so r u saying that by doing the bit-copy I am essentially laying down a format as well as the file system and data?
[18:23]  * leftyfb sigh
[18:23] <leftyfb> jpmh: format = filesystem
[18:25] <jpmh> leftyfb:TY - that was the part that I was missing - SO, am I laying down the "bad blocks" etc that format usually sets up to avoid?
[18:25] <leftyfb> whatever is on the sd card before does not matter. It gets blown away. dd takes whatever is on the image file, regardless of filesystem and bit by by copies it at a very low level to the sd card. Nothing gets "formatted" because that is referring to formatting a partition or drive with a filesystem, I think mainly by modifying a table somewhere. None of that happens with dd and images
[18:31] <jpmh> leftyfb:TY - 30 years ago when I worked for an OS provider we used to lay down a "format" on the drive before the file system.  The drivers "knew" about the format and used it for alternate blocks etc.  In fat hard drives came from the factory with a list of bad blocks already written to the disk
[18:32] <leftyfb> jpmh: that was a low level format which isn't a thing anymore
[18:32] <jpmh> leftyfb:ty - that was the part that I was missing
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[18:33] <jpmh> so, with what I have had confirmed here today I feel that the way I am making SD cards is 100% fine - thank you all so much
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[19:43] <Arc1> can't add a new data partition: created and formated in Gparted as ext4, created new folders in file system for mounting (/vol/data), edited fstab, tried diff mounting points. Wheather /mnt, /var or /vol/data all put me in an emergency mode on boot and booting halts
[19:45] <Arc1> as soon as I turn the new UUID line into a reminder statement the system boots like before
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[19:47] <Arc1> yet the line doesn't seem to have any errors in it: UUID="5d2b34bd-2250-4f89-863d-89999e106682 /vol/data      ext4    defaults        0       2
[19:48] <Arc1> any ideas?
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[20:05] <cranberry> Hi, I am trying to run a binary which runs fine on other distros, on this fresh Ubuntu install (no selinux or the like), it fails reading the configuration file, and through strace I see the following: epoll_ctl(4, EPOLL_CTL_ADD, 3, {EPOLLIN|EPOLLOUT|EPOLLRDHUP|EPOLLET, {u32=3873304520, u64=140672642183112}}) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) - Does someone know where that could originate from?
[20:05] <cranberry> I also tried recompiling it with go (it's a golang program)
[20:16] <sarnold> cranberry: are there any messages in dmesg about it?
[20:20] <cranberry> sarnold: good idea - unfortunately not though
[20:20] <adac> Hi there! How can is list all available kernels the package manager offers?
[20:21] <sarnold> cranberry: maybe pastebin a few pages of strace context?
[20:21] <sarnold> adac: apt-cache search linux-image
[20:23] <cranberry> sarnold: Sure! Wasn't certain if it's the right channel for such:  https://pasta.lysergic.dev/?3233cc19ce7ecf23#CLxdQTstRD8FGPomtwgMDDE3PrrX2NjiNMwEgq48zbN9
[20:24] <cranberry> I can open a GH issue with the developer but it looks like an inactive project.. and it runs fine on other systems, hence I wondered if there's something Ubuntu specific I might be missing, or some dependency that the program does not have error handling for
[20:25] <cranberry> The missing file it mentions does of course exist (tried in both places that it suggests)
[20:25] <cranberry> File permissions I also set to 777 for testing
[20:25] <TJ-> cranberry: possibly an apparmor rule. Check /var/log/auth.log
[20:26] <sarnold> cranberry: hah, I was moments away from wondering if the 777 was going to be too wide-open ..
[20:26] <cranberry> TJ-: I suspected it, but figured Ubuntu does not ship with any default enforcements. I don't see anything in auth.log upon running it
[20:27] <TJ-> cranberry: the file is opened correctly (/etc/irccat.json) as FD 3
[20:27] <cranberry> sarnold: Heh originally I had it to 640 programuser:programgroup
[20:27] <sarnold> TJ-: apparmor denies are logged either to dmesg or to /var/log/audit/audit.log -- I don't recall which exact files that leads to, but auth.log is probalby not it
[20:27] <cranberry> TJ-: Hm, so it should "see" it, I take it
[20:28] <TJ-> cranberry: that strace shows the file is read, you can see content on the subsequent read()s
[20:28] <cranberry> dmesg does not contain anything and /var/log/audit I don't have (stock AppArmor configuration, did not touch anything yet)
[20:28] <TJ-> sarnold: doh of course! I was thinking of PAM
[20:28] <sarnold>        EPERM  The target file fd does not support epoll.  This error can occur if fd refers to, for example, a regular file or a directory.
[20:29] <cranberry> I wondered about epoll.. I looked it up and something suggested it might be an ext4 thing? However I don't think the program cares about the file system it reads from, or ?
[20:29] <sarnold> man I wish strace showed which file descriptors were being added
[20:30] <cranberry> is there something else I could run it through?
[20:30] <sarnold> epoll is like the select(2) syscall, it indicates which sockets are readable, writable, disconnected, etc
[20:30] <sarnold> cranberry: try ltrace ? that'll show some library calls, too
[20:30] <MikeRL> So I've tried asking this on #ubuntu+1 for hirsute when it was in development, and got no answer, is that channel mainly for development?
[20:31] <cranberry> ah.. so it's ok to fail on non-sockets? or should that not happen? the program does open a tcp socket though (upon starting successfully, that is) - in case that is related
[20:31] <cranberry> sarnold: ok will install that!
[20:31] <sarnold> MikeRL: no, devel is in #ubuntu-devel
[20:31] <cranberry> Thanks a lot for looking into this sarnold and TJ-, really appreciate it
[20:31] <MikeRL> Anyhow, the issue is I get GNOME default blue accents in a custom sessions and I want the Ubuntu branded orange and purples back as highlighting in the shell and dialog boxes.
[20:31] <sarnold> cranberry: yeah, failing on non-sockets makes some sense, at least from epoll's perspective :) disk files are *always* ready for reading or writing, so not very useful
[20:32] <cranberry> hm I see
[20:32] <cranberry> here's ltrace: https://pasta.lysergic.dev/?4ad0d093be741d36#96DyQTv3SLacTSVUbwxt2mwbx927U8gosoUXyV1tXC85
[20:32] <MikeRL> Is there a way to get everything the exact same color in a custom session? Purple in the GNOME shell menus, and orange elsewhere.
[20:33] <MikeRL> I used a custom session because I manually update the desktop icons (DING) extension I've used long before hirsute.
[20:34] <MikeRL> Also the appearance page is missing from Settings in the custom session. But I can live without that.
[20:35] <sarnold> cranberry: dang, that's much less helpful than I hoped for. :(
[20:35] <cranberry> sarnold: I was about to say, it looks pretty unmeaningful to me, but then figured it might just be magic numbers above my head - lol
[20:37] <cranberry> Does someone happen to have an ext4 Ubuntu machine on hand ? I only have this one handy at the moment.. https://github.com/irccloud/irccat/releases/tag/v0.4.5
[20:38] <cranberry> Else I guess I'll just add the 7th open issue :c
[20:42] <sarnold> cranberry: sorry :( I'm out of ideas here :(
[20:42] <cranberry> Thank you anyways - Appreciate it!! :)
[20:44] <Arc1> would anyone even care to guess as to the origin of my problem?
[20:46] <TJ-> cranberry: I'll try it
[20:46] <tomreyn> Arc1: remove the double quote
[20:47] <cranberry> TJ-: Oh awesome - Thank you! Maybe it's some weird obscure issue with the VM.. it's a long shot
[20:48] <Arc1> tomreyn: I can't believe I missed that! Thank you!
[20:49] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[20:50] <TJ-> cranberry: however... having just read the source-code, and looked at ./example/irccat.json, and compared that file to what we can see in your strace... I suspect a syntax error! can you pastebin the /etc/irccat.json ?
[20:51] <cranberry> TJ-: Sure - I don't use all the options they offer though, I copied the file from one system on which it works to make sure it's identical: https://pasta.lysergic.dev/?f646fb4046621dc8#GUDQao9JeomBe34K43tW58D7CHqYCLZb3gsyy3JnEiEG
[20:51] <TJ-> cranberry: specfically your listen: directive
[20:51] <cranberry> oh?
[20:52] <cranberry> Wait
[20:52] <cranberry> What is that return control character doing there
[20:52] <TJ-> cranberry: the 0.0.0.0 looks wrong, try just putting in the :2424 port number, which is how the example/irccat.json shows it
[20:53] <TJ-> cranberry: also, what is the full error message being reported that we see in strace's "write(2, "2021-04-23 20:23:25 ERROR main m" ?
[20:53] <sarnold> cranberry: hah, yeah, what *is* that little char doing there.. the other pastes didn't have it
[20:53] <cranberry> thank you.. heh, I should have uploaded it to pastebin earlier. apparently, even though I copied the working file via scp and replaced the one I created manually in vim, it put this weird control character on the bottom
[20:54] <cranberry> I removed that.. and voil´a
[20:54] <TJ-> aha!
[20:54] <cranberry> I will never find out how that ended there.. all the time looking in vim I thought it was some default ubuntu thing showing me it's the end of file or something.. but when I found it ending up in the pastebin as well.. heh
[20:54] <cranberry> Thanks a lot!!
[20:56] <sarnold> YAY :D
[21:01] <cranberry> meh I tried sending a thank you through the program to this channel but I think freenode does not like the unregged bot - anyways thank you again sarnold and TJ-
[21:02] <sarnold> cranberry: heh, yeah, the spam load without that is a bit much :(
[21:02] <TJ-> ⏎  ⏎  ⏎  ha it's a UTF-8 code
[21:04] <cranberry> I scp'd again and it's not there.. I'll never find out.. :]
[21:04] <TJ-> cranberry: I bet you accidentally held down Alt+GR
[21:05] <TJ-> cranberry: that allows typing things like that, e.g Alt_GR + 2 = ²
[21:05] <cranberry> If that's what this button does on non-windows systems I am happy to remove it from my keyboard
[21:05] <TJ-> cranberry: the Alt on the right of the space bar
[21:06] <cranberry> Oh yea I know what it is.. but it's kind of like caps lock.. it does not do any good :-)
[21:06] <TJ-> cranberry: I use it a lot for adding accents, or typing powers, fractions, degree symbols and so forth
[21:06] <sarnold> andyet I kinda wish I had one so I could type neato characters
[21:07] <cranberry> TJ-: oh now that you say it.. I do use it for µ
[21:10] <TJ-> ¹²³€½¾ł¶ŧ←↓→øþæßðđŋħĸł«»¢“”µΩŁE®Ŧ¥↑ıØÞŊĦ<>©‘’º×÷¡⅛£¼⅜⅝⅞°¿\˛¸~¯¨°^ˇ`˘̣˙÷·× .... didn't find it with typing all those but wouldn't be surprised if it is there somewhere on some key!
[21:11] <cranberry> haha! what a selection
[21:11]  * cranberry shoos all those characters away from my jsons
[21:11] <cranberry> I think we're reaching offtopic territory tho :3
[21:12] <TJ-> i've managed to disable the bluetooth keyboard doing that ... on laptop's built-in now!
[21:20] <Arc1> tomreyn: clearly you are good at paying attention to detail; everything boots fine now so thank you again :) The data partition seems to be mounted but since it is not listed among accesable folders, how do I access it? Perhaps, /home/<user>/data would be a better mount point?
[21:21] <TJ-> Arc1: udisks will automount volumes to /media/$USER/$ID_OF_FILESYSTEM and most GUI file managers will show the file-system's label in their navigation tree
[21:24] <tomreyn> Arc1: i'm with TJ- there, for this type of usage you probably don't want to  mount it via fstab.
[21:25] <Arc1> ahh, just as I figured out fstab?...
[21:26] <Arc1> ok, how should I mount it then?
[21:27] <Arc1> not familiar with udisks...
[21:28] <tomreyn> if this is a desktop system and removable storage, udisks2 + udisksctl and maybe gio (or rather GUIs) is probably what you want to use.
[21:29] <tomreyn> if you're using gnome, just start gnome files, and click on the device on the side bar to mount it.
[21:29] <Arc1> this is a desktop system but the storage is NOT removable, my OS is Xubuntu so it's not Gnome but XFCE
[21:30] <tomreyn> i think thunar also supports it
[21:32] <Arc1> before I rule out fstab, if I do use it and mount the data partition inside /home, would it not become visable and accesable then?
[21:33] <Arc1> or other some other issues there?
[21:33] <Arc1> *or are there...
[21:34] <tomreyn> yes, this also works, you may need to chown -R things, depending on the file system and current ownerships.
[21:40] <Arc1> my case use is a multiboot system with diff OS's having access to the same data partition; one system user/owner; what would be the best approach here?
[21:42] <TJ-> Arc1: I use many LVM volumes and use udisks to mount them as required. GUI file-manager shows the LV filesystem names in its volume list and as soon as 'clicked' mounts it at /media/$USER/$ID .., I can also do that manually with "udisksctl mount-b /dev/$VGNAME/$LVNAME"
[21:42] <tomreyn> assigning all systesm' users' the same uid, or group membership, and apply that to the files stored. only needed if its a file system that supports unix-like file access control
[21:42] <TJ-> err typo "... mount -b ..." (space added)
[21:45] <Arc1> I do not use LVM, all partitions are ext4 and would like to keep things as simple as possible
[21:46] <Arc1> I thought, Thunar would list all my partitions as TJ said and mount them as needed but that is apparently not the case with the fstab approach
[21:48] <Arc1> fidling with user ownership issues doesn't sound like making things any easier...
[21:50] <Arc1> still don't understand though, why ownership would need to be specified or changed if there is only one owner to make and read the files
[21:52] <TJ-> Arc1: LVM or partitions with file-systems in will usually be shown. I use Thunar
[21:55] <Arc1> tomreyn: before I put the data partition in fstab it was listed in Thunar; so are you saying I didn't need to do anything but click on it in Thunar and the partion would be autoloaded (with udisks or whatever working in the background)?
[21:56] <tomreyn> Arc1: yes. unless you wanted to learn fstab, which i guess you did.
[21:59] <Arc1> tomreyn: I only went that route because I was advised to do so by Bashing-om...
[22:00] <tomreyn> Arc1: understanding fstab is a good thing, i would not want to miss it.
[22:01] <Arc1> to be sure, udisks works in the background? I will not need to go into command line to mount every time?
[22:02] <tomreyn> i'm not so familiar with thunar as folks in #xubuntu will be, but that's my understanding. why, if it worked once, do you think it will stop working?
[22:04] <Arc1> I didn't say that; I just couldn't test it working because there was nothing in the partition at the time
[22:05] <tomreyn> i see. well, test it now. :)
[22:05] <Arc1> :)
[22:06] <Arc1> TJ-: since you brought up udisks, is it your understanding that Thunar would automount with udisks?
[22:09] <TJ-> Arc1: it doesn't automount, but as soon as you try to perform an action on an unmounted file-system it'll call udisks which will mount it /media/$USER/
[22:10] <Arc1> that's what I ment
[22:11] <Arc1> thank you all for your help, hopefully, now I am smart enough to try both ways and see which I like the best :)
[22:15] <zzz> i am having trouble trying to disable dead keys on my pt_PT layout laptop running ubuntu server 18.04. can anyone help?
[22:20] <tomreyn> zzz: sudo dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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[22:40] <metbsd> when will we have gnome 40 ?
[22:42] <tomreyn> metbsd: wrong channel
[22:44] <metbsd> ubuntu don't use gnome anymore?
[22:47] <rory> metbsd, Ubuntu 21.04 ships with Gnome 3.38
[22:47] <rory> metbsd, almost certainly the next release will include 40+ since it was planned to be included in 21.04 originally
[22:48] <rory> metbsd, but nobody here could tell you for sure.
[22:48] <metbsd> ok
[22:51] <bray90820> Is it possible to install an older version of the mainline kernel in 21.04
[22:51] <rory> FWIW, the next release is named Impish Idri. Maybe they are planning some tricks.
[22:53] <tomreyn> bray90820: technically possible? yes, supported? no. what's the problem you're trying to solve, or the goal you're trying to achieve?
[22:54] <bray90820> Well in 21.04 when the monitor goes to sleep the backlight stays on and I can see the mouse it worked fine in 20.10
[22:55] <tomreyn> bray90820: are you using xwayland now? were you before upgrading?
[22:56] <bray90820> Because some remote desktop apps don't support waylaid I am using Xorg
[22:56] <bray90820> I used Xorg on 20.10 and 21.04
[22:57] <tomreyn> bray90820: have you looked for a bug report on this, yet?
[22:57] <bray90820> I have doe som google searching but it's only been a day since 21.04 came out so not many bug reports
[22:58] <bray90820> *Done
[22:59] <tomreyn> you could also file a new bug report
[23:00] <bray90820> I could I guess
[23:01] <tomreyn> ubuntu-bug xorg
[23:03] <bray90820> Thanks
[23:04] <bray90820> I haven't tested wayland but could the bug potentially not be an issue with wayland
[23:05] <tomreyn> bray90820: you said you're using Xorg, not XWayland, then it seems logical that the problem is not (X)Wayland related.
[23:06] <bray90820> That's not really what I mean but don't worry about it
[23:06] <Kraus> Hey all, when I disable one service/socket, and enable another service/socket, reboot the machine, shouldn't all my settings remain the same in systemd or is there some reason things would revert and break?
[23:06] <tomreyn> about bug filing: it would be better to review logs and get a better idea of what the failing software is - often it's not actually xorg. but if you don't know how to do so (which is fine!), then it's a good start.
[23:06] <tomreyn> bray90820: ^
[23:07] <bray90820> Yeah I know how to file bugs but thanks anyways
[23:07] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[23:18] <antiPoP> HI, I'm having mic issues. Same mic and computer with a clean windows install works fine. With a clean ubuntu one sounds distorted. Any help?
[23:19] <sarnold> antiPoP: I suggest firing up pavucontrol, there might be a slider for mic gain there; also check in alsamixer
[23:21] <antiPoP> sarnold, tried that and levels are fine. Sometimes it does not allow to select between monitor and built in sources.
[23:23] <antiPoP> Looks like something has messed up in an update as worked fine a few weeks ago.
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