[11:12] <ugurcan> hi
[11:14] <diogenes_> !hi
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[11:42] <MariaDiaz> How can I check (without launching my PC) if 21.04 update is available?
[11:44] <MariaDiaz> is it / will it be written somewhere?
[11:51] <MariaDiaz> it seems like a stupid question, but it isn't. The problem is I was impatient. Tried to upgrade from 20.10 to 21.04 but for no luck. Read somewhere that `-d` would help. But I was too impatient to figure out what `-d` does. Then some weird bugs appeared... and I understood what I had done. After reinstalling everything I've finally figured out that
[11:51] <MariaDiaz> there is no 21.04 to upgrade from previous versions.
[12:11] <Ashburry> hello everyone
[12:12] <Ashburry> 3~/disonnect
[12:32] <MariaDiaz> How can I check (without launching my PC) if 21.04 update is available?
[12:39] <Maik> MariaDiaz: the upgrade may show in a few days
[12:39] <Maik> if you want to upgrade now do: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[12:40] <Maik> MariaDiaz: which version are you on right now?
[12:40] <Maik> oh, 20.10 i see
[12:41] <Maik> sudo do-release-upgrade -d should work though
[12:46] <MariaDiaz> I tried this, and run into many bugs unfortunately
[12:46] <Maik> bugs or errors?
[12:46] <MariaDiaz> usually I install from mini.iso (the last one was made for 20.04)
[12:46] <MariaDiaz> then I just upgrade. It worked fine
[12:47] <MariaDiaz> bugs and errors also
[12:47] <Maik> then just download the xubuntu 21.04 iso instead and install
[12:48] <MariaDiaz> I can't, because when I do so it doesn't boot with my dualboot, and also I don't need all of the Xubuntu additional packages
[12:48] <MariaDiaz> I use mini.iso just to install xubuntu-core^ task
[12:50] <MariaDiaz> You told me that the upgrade may show in a few days. Is there some page when I can check if the upgrade is available? I just work too much, I don't have enough free time to use my notebook every time
[12:50] <krytarik> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release - would be it.
[12:51] <MariaDiaz> This is the right thing, this is exactly what I needed. I deeply appreciate your help! :3
[12:51] <krytarik> I wouldn't expect it to work then any better though..
[12:53] <MariaDiaz> Well... Btw, is it acceptable to upgrade from 20.04 to 21.04? or I'll experience bugs and should upgrade to 20.10 at first?
[12:55] <krytarik> Yeah, I believe jumping releases is never a good idea really.
[12:55] <Maik> you need to upgrade to 20.10 first then 21.04
[12:55] <MariaDiaz> guys, really big thanks to you for the pieces of advice!
[12:55] <Maik> yw
[13:00] <MariaDiaz> It is sad that mini.iso isn't supported anymore. It is convenient to install the basic packages and then to add only necessary things. I bought a used notebook for $40, it was made in 2010. 1 GB RAM... kind of weak computer, but awesome with Linux :3
[15:13] <cristian_> hello, i'm needing some help with my xubuntu 21.04 installation
[15:13] <pmjdebruijn> just ask
[15:13] <cristian_> Everytime that the system is going to shutdown, it freezes for like 20 seconds
[15:13] <pmjdebruijn> if someone knows, they'll respond
[15:14] <pmjdebruijn> cristian_: what do you mean with freezes, and when exactly?
[15:14] <cristian_> I could record the problem and upload it, so you guys can see
[15:14] <cristian_> Is it a good way?
[15:15] <tomreyn> when it happens, press escape to get to the text console, and take a photo /such as with a smartphone or tab) and upload it.
[15:16] <tomreyn> then post the url here
[15:16] <cristian_> Ok! I'll do it and share it with you. I'll be right back!
[15:20] <cristian_> Hi guys, I have just recorded the error: https://drive.google.com/file/d/17bohQ6OH63VA2Z8OOKgxMHOtgrj-42ns/view?usp=sharing
[15:20] <cristian_> I tried to press ESC, but no additional information was provided, as you can see in the video
[15:22] <cristian_> This same error happened with xubuntu 21.04 and kubuntu 21.04. This has never happened before on 20.04 flavors
[15:26] <tomreyn> cristian_: try hitting escape before the progress ring gets stuck, or boot with without the "quiet" kernel command line parameter
[15:26] <tomreyn> !kernelparm
[15:26] <ubottu> To add a one-time or permanent kernel boot parameter see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters
[15:29] <cristian_> Thanks, I'll try and record it again
[15:36] <cristian_> Hey guys, I just tried to press ESC before the freeze and it worked! The restart process didn't freeze in this case
[15:36] <cristian_> I also tried removing splash parameter (keeping only quiet) and that also worked, even not pressing ESC
[15:37] <tomreyn> oh, that's at least a potential workaround then, but it doesn't really help us understand what failed.
[15:37] <cristian_> I will share the recording of the additional information shown when I pressed ESC, maybe that can help
[15:38] <tomreyn> cool. maybe something related to plymouth, if it only hapens while you remain in grpahics mode.
[15:40] <cristian_> I'm thinking that it is related to prime graphic cards (Nvidia + intel HD graphics)
[15:41] <cristian_> But I tried changing from performance mode (Nvidia only) to on demand (intel primary and nvidia on demand) and the error persisted
[15:42] <cristian_> Here is the recording of the additional information: https://drive.google.com/file/d/17kA2WiAdLKp_KON7xhY65U-eN6RPC2t4/view?usp=sharing
[15:45] <cristian_> Screenshot: https://drive.google.com/file/d/17nZgCEPC73aviYTXXWfnT55n6NKUp-F7/view?usp=sharing
[15:46] <tomreyn> there's no error message on the screen shown before it rebooted (in the latest video you posted)+
[15:46] <tomreyn> which is also depicted by this screens hot
[15:47] <cristian_> Is there any other way that I can help you understand what is failing?
[15:47] <tomreyn> try reproducing the issue once more, then reboot, and run, without rebooting again, run   journalctl -keb -1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:47] <tomreyn> ignore the second "run", thats a typo on my part
[15:49] <cristian_> Ok, will be right back!
[15:57] <cristian_> Just runned the command provided: https://termbin.com/4qvl
[15:58] <cristian_> ran*
[16:01] <tomreyn> hmm no error there either, at least none for shutdown.
[16:04] <cristian_> Really weird since those freezes don't occur on xubuntu 20.04
[16:09] <tomreyn> LTS releases will usually get more shoe polish, which can also help with difficult-to-get-right ahrdware configurations such as your graphics chipset combo
[16:10] <tomreyn> muxless switching is the pain, and getting nvidia drivers to work can be, too.
[16:11] <tomreyn> you're on the latest 'bios', but still with some acpi hiccups
[16:11] <tomreyn> !acpi_osi helps sometimes, maybe not here, though.
[16:11] <ubottu> tomreyn: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[16:11] <tomreyn> !acpi_osi
[16:11] <ubottu> If your system is unstable or power management does not work well and logs show ACPI issues, you can try to make the Linux kernel pretend it was Windows during boot (which can help on hardware which was only tested with Windows): http://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[16:36] <cristian_> I'll try that ACPI configuration that you shared. Thanks, tomreyn!
[16:40] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[16:41] <tomreyn> see also the note on backlights on your logs, see whether this applies to you (probably not)
[17:27] <cristian_> !aosp_osi
[17:31] <irgendwer4711> hi, how to check, which gtk2-programs wouldn't run after update to 21.04?
[17:38] <proogi> Hi everyone i need some help is anyone available ?
[17:38] <irgendwer4711> nope
[17:40] <proogi> so after installing xubuntu i couldn't boot win10 anymore , i tried to repair , update grub and still the same issue , when i reboot i get only xubuntu
[17:40] <proogi> i have xubuntu on HDD and Win10 on SSD
[17:40] <proogi> and i can see my Win10 files on the SSD
[17:40] <proogi> So any kind of help for this issue ?
[17:41] <proogi> tried all of this too :
[17:41] <proogi> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:yannubuntu/boot-repair
[17:41] <proogi> sudo apt-get update
[17:41] <proogi> sudo apt-get install -y boot-repair
[17:41] <proogi> sudo boot-repair
[17:43] <irgendwer4711> and what is "couldnt boot windows anymore"?
[17:44] <proogi> supposed to dual boot
[17:44] <proogi> when i used Mint before i used to get a menu to pick either Mint or Win10
[17:45] <proogi> for now when i restart it's automatically start Xubuntu without giving me any choice
[17:46] <leo__> hola
[17:48] <proogi> anyone ?
[17:53] <diogenes_> proogi, why boot repair? can you boot in Xubuntu?
[17:53] <tomreyn> proogi: chances are you had windows installed in uefi boot mode, but installed xubuntu in bios boot mode, or the other way around. but i'm guessing.
[17:54] <proogi> i can start xubuntu but can't boot windows anymore , and yes i think xubuntu in bios boot , is there a fix ?
[17:54] <irgendwer4711> try update-grub, should list Windows
[17:55] <proogi> tried it
[17:55] <proogi> the same issue
[17:55] <irgendwer4711> and?
[17:55] <irgendwer4711> what issue?
[17:55] <proogi> i can't find windows10 at all
[17:55] <irgendwer4711> grub does list it?
[17:55] <proogi> xubuntu on HDD and Win10 on SSD so no chance i deleted anythng i
[17:56] <irgendwer4711> you didnt answer my question
[17:56] <proogi> how i can check ?
[17:56] <irgendwer4711> " try update-grub, should list Windows"
[17:56] <diogenes_> proogi, if Xubuntu is in BIOS mode then switch to UEFI and see if you can boot windz.
[17:57] <irgendwer4711> so again, my question: how to check, which gtk2-programs wouldn't run after update to 21.04?
[17:58] <proogi> irgendwer4711
[17:58] <proogi> root@proogi:~# update-grub
[17:58] <proogi> Sourcing file `/etc/default/grub'
[17:58] <proogi> Sourcing file `/etc/default/grub.d/init-select.cfg'
[17:58] <proogi> Generating grub configuration file ...
[17:58] <proogi> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.8.0-50-generic
[17:59] <irgendwer4711> so there isnt any bootable Windows
[18:00] <irgendwer4711> pasting is not allowed, I think
[18:00] <proogi> yes i guess so
[18:00] <irgendwer4711> so there isnt any bootable Windows for grub
[18:01] <proogi> exactly
[18:01] <proogi> but when i check my SSD all the files still there and everything as it is
[18:01] <irgendwer4711> sure, why not...
[18:01] <proogi> i guess  i need a win10 USB to repair it
[18:02] <irgendwer4711> maybe, maybe not. do a fdisk -l /dev/sda
[18:02] <proogi> and ?
[18:03] <irgendwer4711> show it
[18:03] <proogi> i can't paste here
[18:03] <proogi> but it's bios boot
[18:04] <proogi> i can see swap partition , system files size and bios boot
[18:04] <irgendwer4711> put in one line
[18:05] <proogi> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6zWmDT9MBV/
[18:06] <irgendwer4711> and other disk?
[18:06] <proogi> nothing else showed up sadly
[18:07] <proogi> this one when updated grub
[18:07] <proogi> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/YmFZGH9Mk9/
[18:09] <irgendwer4711> thats not other disk
[18:10] <irgendwer4711> cant be empty
[18:10] <proogi> at this point i have no idea what to do next
[18:11] <irgendwer4711> sdb, sdc sdd?
[18:12] <proogi> no clue
[18:12] <proogi> i'm either gonna use win10 repair usb or try to delete xubuntu from the hdd and try to boot
[18:12] <proogi> at least to safe my files
[18:13] <irgendwer4711> haha, your files are not safe with windows, delete that.
[18:24] <tomreyn> certainly you should have backups of any data that matters to you, generally, and especially before you start things that can easily go wrong, such as extending single boot to  dual boot setups.
[18:24] <tomreyn> proogi: ^ this said, if you'll reinstall ubuntu while booting in uefi mode, i think the windows installation will be found and you should be able to boot both
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