 @Tedster [am I not people? (:], join the welcome group for week, and tell me people read the group description ;)
 @Tedster [am I not people? (:], [Edit] join the welcome group for week, and tell me again people read the group description ;)
 @Fuseteam [join the welcome group for week, and tell me again people read the group descrip …], There's a welcome group, what?
 yes there is did not see it on the website?
 [Edit] yes there is did you not see it on the website?
 hmmm guess we got our work cut out for us
 the welcome group is @welcomeplus
 it is mostly to help people install ubuntu touch on supported devices and to well welcome them in the os
 [Edit] yes there is, did you not see it on the website?
 you probably won't believe what kind of a pinned message we ended up making and most people still don't read it 😂
 [Edit] you probably won't believe what kind of a pinned message we ended up making and most people still don't read either it or the group description 😂
 @Fuseteam [yes there is, did you not see it on the website?], I see. I've never spent any time on the website, I've just been lurking here for years, trying to convince myself to play with UT
 oh that's fun reminds me of how i got introduced to it
 [Edit] oh that's fun, kind of reminds me of how i got introduced to it
 A friend who's since left the group, it seems, played around with UT on his Nexus 5X back when that was relevant and showed me, I joined and now I'm still here (:
 maybe we should make a similar type of pinned message for this group as many may have their first contact on telegram rather than the site hmmmm
 @Tedster [A friend who's since left the group, it seems, played around with UT on his Nexu …], oh fun, that's phone i heard many tales about hehe
 @Tedster [A friend who's since left the group, it seems, played around with UT on his Nexu …], [Edit] oh fun, that's a phone i heard many tales about hehe
 @Fuseteam [oh fun, that's a phone i heard many tales about hehe], I also used one for a while myself
 The Nexus 5X was misunderstood, and also bad.
 But mostly misunderstood, and bad.
 "and bad" :p
 @Tedster [I also used one for a while myself], oh cool, how was your experience with it?
 I'm losing track of the years past. The version of Android it shipped with... It ran well.
 Anything more recent, it was garbage.
 interesting btw we're kinda overflowing now, maybe best to drift over to @ubportsOF
 @Tedster [Anything more recent, it was garbage.], heh i somehow expected that xD
 Only phone I've ever done anything custom firmwarey with.
 But... Yeah, it would run scarily hot... It generally performed much worse than the Nexus 5, which I used instead for a lot of things
 Oh! And battery life was great... And it bootlooped.
 [Edit] Oh! And battery life wasn't great... And it bootlooped.
 yeah those are the tales i heard of 😂
 Hmm using devel for pixel 3a.. supposed to have anbox but cant seem to get it to work..
 what error are you seeing?
[01:19] <ubptgbot> MyNameIsEarlB was added by: MyNameIsEarlB
 Hello everyone. I'm wondering if anyone can tell me which on screen keyboard comes installed on Ubuntu touch? … I seen an old video from 2017 of it running on a pinephone and the keyboard had suggestions that you could tap above it. Anyone know the name of this keyboard?
 [Edit] Hello everyone. I'm wondering if anyone can tell me which on screen keyboard comes installed on Ubuntu touch? … I seen an old video from 2017 of it running and the keyboard had suggestions that you could tap above it. Anyone know the name of this keyboard?
 it is the maliit-keyboard
 the suggestions are still working in the most recent update of ubuntu-touch
 Thank you, i just got myself a pinephone a few days ago and am running Debian on it. So far so good except I'm used you swiping to text and there's neither on mobian for the pinephone
 [Edit] Thank you, i just got myself a pinephone a few days ago and am running Debian on it. So far so good except I'm used to swiping to text and there's neither on mobian for the pinephone
 i am not sure if the ubuntu touch keyboard is usable on mobian considering it works with qt
 Should I get a Pinephone?
 then again work on upstreaming many ubuntu touch components to debian is underway
 from what i've heard if you are ok with tinkering a pinephone is not a bad choice
 [Edit] from what i've heard if you are ok with tinkering a pinephone is great
 @Fuseteam [what error are you seeing?], I would say it's most likely me having no idea what I'm doing..
 I remember someone claiming to host a website on a webserver on the modern in one...or was that a different fossy phone?
 Just tried adb install and file name and it just says waiting for device
 @Onp0int [I would say it's most likely me having no idea what I'm doing..], maybe, but it would help if you share the error message. maybe i can help you, but then again maybe its about my head xD
 Even though I am already in adb shell..
 @Onp0int [Just tried adb install and file name and it just says waiting for device], oh what does `adb devices` say?
 Shows pixel3a
 are you running adb from a computer?
 @Fuseteam [i am not sure if the ubuntu touch keyboard is usable on mobian considering it wo …], Alright, was just about to see if i could just install it and hoped it would work out of the box. … What does qt stand for?
 qt is a toolkit alternative to gtk
 @MyNameIsEarlB [Alright, was just about to see if i could just install it and hoped it would wor …], i'm not sure how the package is called btw, it might not be "maliit-keyboard"
 the keyboard itself is know as maliit keyboard tho afaik
 @Fuseteam [qt is a toolkit alternative to gtk], Alright thank you. I've seen qt around a few times, didn't realize what it was.
 @Fuseteam [i'm not sure how the package is called btw, it might not be "maliit-keyboard"], Ok yeah i found it on Google. Thanks
 @MyNameIsEarlB [Ok yeah i found it on Google. Thanks], great, glad i could help
 @Fuseteam [are you running adb from a computer?], Yes, running it from a ubuntu laptop
 @Onp0int [Yes, running it from a ubuntu laptop], you should use adb on your phone, anbox is like having an android phone on your ubuntu phone to an certain extend
 @Onp0int [Yes, running it from a ubuntu laptop], [Edit] you should run `adb devices` on your phone, anbox is like having an android phone on your ubuntu phone to an certain extend
 @Fuseteam [you should run adb devices on your phone, anbox is like having an android phone …], Thanks, will keep playing with it.
 Do wish this telegram app was better,  cant see what you are typing..
 you can't see what i'm typing?
 @Onp0int [Do wish this telegram app was better,  cant see what you are typing..], what telegram app are you using?
 @Onp0int [Thanks, will keep playing with it.], No, sorry, i cant see what I am typing while I am tryping it, keyboard covers the input field
 It is the telegram web app in the open store
 When Ubuntu touch released for redmi 4A  … Eagerly waiting to test
 So if i understand correctly.. Plasma mobile uses qt and gnome uses gtk?
 @Onp0int [It is the telegram web app in the open store], try teleports, it beta but it is a native app
 @MyNameIsEarlB [So if i understand correctly.. Plasma mobile uses qt and gnome uses gtk?], hmm yeah more or less
 ubuntu touch does not use plasma however
 it does use qt
 Unity?
 Is that what it uses
 unity was gtk based
 Oh alright
 unity8, now called lomiri is qt based
 Oh yeah i remember now. Looks way better than phosh and plasma imo
 fwiw qt apps can work on a gtk system, you just need to have the dependencies
 @MyNameIsEarlB [Oh yeah i remember now. Looks way better than phosh and plasma imo], i agree tbh xD
 I honestly didn't even know that the different desktop environments were fundamentally different. I thought they just changed the look of things. Now everything makes so much more sense lol. … Why there's completely different apps in plasma and gonna
 [Edit] I honestly didn't even know that the different desktop environments were fundamentally different. I thought they just changed the look of things. Now everything makes so much more sense lol. … Why there's completely different apps in plasma and gnome
 And the others
 same reason i suppose they use different toolkits
 but different goals is also a factor
 the reason the morph browser exists is because ubuntu touch's goal is to be convergent
 therefore its default apps should also be convergent
 all that said, i need to hit the hay now. hope i've been of assistence
 @BRAN_DARKUS [When Ubuntu touch released for redmi 4A  … Eagerly waiting to test], How long it will take for redmi 4A
 OK so far the teleports appeared is MUCH better!
 @Onp0int [OK so far the teleports appeared is MUCH better!], glad to hear
 @BRAN_DARKUS [How long it will take for redmi 4A], depends on the porter, as the work is done by volunteers is there is never a strict ETA
 the are two options: wait untill it is ready, or look for ways to assist the porter
 [Edit] the are two options: wait until it is ready, or look for ways to assist the porter
 @Fuseteam [depends on the porter, as the work is done by volunteers is there is never a str …], Just an guess for how long...so I ask....
 in either case it will be ready when its ready
 @BRAN_DARKUS [Just an guess for how long...so I ask....], nobody knows, not even the porter knows :P
 if nobody answers a question it is either because the people who know are asleep or nobody knows
 like right now it is 4AM for many of the active contributors
 as for me it is close to 11PM i need to get up in approximately 8 hours
 so with that good night o/
 [Edit] so with that, good night o/
 @BRAN_DARKUS [Just an guess for how long...so I ask....], youd probably be better off selling it and buying a phone thats already compatible.
 or forking over some cash to help motivate
 @MyNameIsEarlB [youd probably be better off selling it and buying a phone thats already compatib …], I trying for that...😅
 Hmm is there no do not disturb mode?
 pull down the sound indicator and turn on silent mode
 If you want to disable vibrations as well, tap the Sound Settings option.
 Does that also make it to where the alarm will not sound?
 no
 OK good :) thanks!
 Any port for Xperia h3223?
[08:43] <ubptgbot> Xiran Terán was added by: Xiran Terán
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 @agoraquando [Any port for Xperia h3223?], Sergio, please check the devices page, it's linked from one of the pinned messages.
 @klaartje_b [Sergio, please check the devices page, it's linked from one of the pinned messag …], Checked. It was close, but not enough.
 @agoraquando [Checked. It was close, but not enough.], ports are device specific, if its not on the list, you will need to build an custom image for your device
 Is there any chance that you guys, put Anbox natively in future builds
 @ImAdityaRajpoot [Is there any chance that you guys, put Anbox natively in future builds], Define natively
 @Flohack [Define natively], means pre installed
 the tools to install anbox is already pre-install
 [Edit] the tools to install anbox is already pre-installed
 it's a simple `anbox-tool install` away
 @ImAdityaRajpoot [means pre installed], not everyone wants it preinstalled … as mentioned, it is now easier to install by default on most devices
 @Fuseteam [the tools to install anbox is already pre-installed], well that was, I'm unaware of
 @Fuseteam [it's a simple anbox-tool install away], thanks
 @Javacookies [not everyone wants it preinstalled … as mentioned, it is now easier to install by …], I'm using OnePlusOne
 @Fuseteam [it's a simple anbox-tool install away], Is there any guide to follow, or just one command
 just one command really
 but remember that anbox is pre-experimental alpha
 @Fuseteam [just one command really], Great👌
 i mean experimental pre-alpha
 @Fuseteam [i mean experimental pre-alpha], Yaa, sure lot of bugs
 most of our experience can be summed up as "all the apps we wanted to run don't, but it works"
 also removing is a bit more complicated 😅
 @Javacookies [also removing is a bit more complicated 😅], 3-ish commands iirc
 @Javacookies [also removing is a bit more complicated 😅], [Edit] 3-ish commands iirc :P
 @Fuseteam [3-ish commands iirc :P], 👍
 also also there is a documentation for everything except removing https://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/userguide/dailyuse/anbox.html
 yeah, disable, delete desktop files, delete anbox data files
 badum tss
 @Fuseteam [also also there is a documentation for everything except removing https://docs.u …], thanks for the link
 👍
 @Tedster [I remember someone claiming to host a website on a webserver on the modern in on …], sure i think runing a server is possible on all them
[14:25] <ubptgbot> Grynkx was added by: Grynkx
 you can run a server on anything really, but without practical application
[14:37] <ubptgbot> Hyaakimaru was added by: Hyaakimaru
 Heyy
 I am new to ubuntu touch
 I have redmi 4x santoni
 And it support ubport ubuntu touch
 But anyone know how to
 Install anbox in it... Ik ubport doesn't have anbox support for santoni
 But anyone know how to port for it?
 what version are you on? what does `anbox-tool install` say?
 It says
 Santoni is not
 Supported
 nothing about the kernel?
 @Fuseteam [what version are you on? what does anbox-tool install say?], It is like 16.0x
 nah that's not the full version number, all ut devices are on 16.04
 @Fuseteam [nothing about the kernel?], Actually I had to again install android for my apps
 So I forgot about kernel version
 check in setting in the about section what version you are on
 [Edit] check in settings in the about section what version you are on
 or perhaps......are you on gsi?
 Gsi?
 i'll take that as a "no"
 Umm idk
 Should I install it again?
 But my important apps will stop working 😓
 what does the `software` section in about say?
 like open system-settings go to about
 I don't have ubuntu touch rn😕
 huh?
 I installed android again for whatsapp
 And
 Other apps
 i thought you said you tried `anbox-tool install`
 Yeah I tried
 It
 Actually I installed Ubuntu touch from
 oh whatsapp won't have notifications in anbox atm
 Ubport installer
 And After that I tried
 anbox-tool install
 This
 yes but which channel did you use? stable? rc? development?
 But it said "
 @Fuseteam [yes but which channel did you use? stable? rc? development?], Stable
 Yeah it was stable
 But Anbox not working so I installed android again
 ah there is a change in development that would tell you if your kernel has the correct patches rather than if your specific device model is supported or not
 it will arrive in stable in a few weeks
 but if you rely on android apps, anbox may not be suitable for you atm
 @Fuseteam [ah there is a change in development that would tell you if your kernel has the c …], Official website of ubport says it supports ubuntu touch
 @Fuseteam [but if you rely on android apps, anbox may not be suitable for you atm], I only use about 2-3 apps which are important... Like whatsapp
 @Hyaakimaru [Official website of ubport says it supports ubuntu touch], ubports is the community behind ubuntu touch yes
 @Fuseteam [ubports is the community behind ubuntu touch yes], Yeah
 @Hyaakimaru [I only use about 2-3 apps which are important... Like whatsapp], whatsapp in anbox will not have voice calls, video calls or notifications for example
 Ohh
 😕
 because well, anbox is experimental pre-alpha and thus does not have any hardware access atm
 tho voice calls may work if mic access works not sure, you may miss voice calls
 [Edit] tho voice calls may work if mic access works not sure, but you may miss voice calls
 Sed life... But there are not much linux os for mobile better thn ubuntu touch, ryt?
 not at the moment no
 @Fuseteam [tho voice calls may work if mic access works not sure, but you may miss voice ca …], Who cares about voice calls... But Video calls
 kinda wish whatsapp supported ubuntu touch
 Yeah
 @Hyaakimaru [Who cares about voice calls... But Video calls], yeah no camera access means no video calls
 @Hyaakimaru [Yeah], only if we could convince whatsapp to support ubuntu touch
 I think I should drop Idea to install Ubuntu touch
 @Fuseteam [only if we could convince whatsapp to support ubuntu touch], But we need more ubuntu users
 For that
 Because They supported for Microsoft in past
 and thus the loop starts again
 But when Microsoft lost users
 They removed it
 no they dropped microsoft because microsoft dropped themselves
 i mean they dropped windows phone because microsoft dropped windows phone, its an unsupported operating system
 the story is different with ubuntu touch
 is it supported and it i think there were somewhere between 1k and 10k users
 [Edit] it is supported and it i think there were somewhere between 1k and 10k users
 Ohh
 Maybe
 But Isn't there another way
 To
 Run android apps... Except mulit rom
 tbh the best way is to convince the android developers to support ubuntu touch
 😅😅
 True
 i once did send a mail to whatsapp to support ubuntu touch
 i only got a general answer
 [Edit] i only got a generic answer
 We should write
 Petition
 yeah new petition might be an idea
 [Edit] yeah a new petition might be an idea
 Yeah
[15:10] <ubptgbot> <Golden Monk> Petition is a good idea
 Wait, new petition? It means they already sent petition before?
 the question is how do we reach the people who want ubuntu touch but don't due to missing whatsapp
 yes but as you can see it didn't get enough visibility
 WA wants a million users to support a platform
 better to just stop using WA
 like 300 or so signed the first time
 it was also badly written
[15:11] <ubptgbot> <Golden Monk> million is a big number.
 indeed it is
 @Golden Monk [million is a big number.], What if they start supporting to pinephone?
 Plus: there is also a group of users who use UT more as privacy/degoogled iPhone.
 *phone
 i dunno about million, nokia s40 didn't have a million users did it?
[15:12] <ubptgbot> <Golden Monk> wish I knew million people. 😂
 @Fuseteam [i dunno about million, nokia s40 didn't have a million users did it?], probably did
 @Fuseteam [i dunno about million, nokia s40 didn't have a million users did it?], I don't think nso
 So*
 or windows phone.......then again microsoft has a million dollars anyway :p
 But listen
 Whatsapp is working on
 Feature to
 well yeah, you can also pay them. but we can't of course
 Run whatsapp web
 whatsapp web does work btw
 Without internet on primary phone
 billion dollar company though, of course can
 @Fuseteam [whatsapp web does work btw], Yeah they have client apps on store
[15:14] <ubptgbot> КАКАРОТ was added by: КАКАРОТ
 @Hyaakimaru [Yeah they have client apps on store], an unofficial webapp yes
 no camera access tho
 @Fuseteam [an unofficial webapp yes], Yes
 @Fuseteam [no camera access tho], But developer can fix it
 https://open-store.io/app/alefnode.whatsweb
 yeah it is being worked on
 but it is not trivial to fix
 Yeah I saw this version
 its currently the closest we got to whatsapp on ut :p
 😕
 hello i have  chance  to bay Xiaomi Mi A2 … but how to know is with JDI display  or not
 @Fuseteam [its currently the closest we got to whatsapp on ut :p], Well that and fluffychat, but you need to set up your own matrix server that way
 @КАКАРОТ [hello i have  chance  to bay Xiaomi Mi A2 … but how to know is with JDI display  o …], Search on google ig
 google not help much whan use  JDI display
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Well that and fluffychat, but you need to set up your own matrix server that way], i don't trust the matrix way yet tbh, iirc there's the chance the account could get banned from whatsapp
 @КАКАРОТ [google not help much whan use  JDI display], i think you can ask the guys in t.me/shoukolab they have more experience with that
 @Fuseteam [i don't trust the matrix way yet tbh, iirc there's the chance the account could …], Thats not really a problem with the matrix way, just how these other companys choose to administrate there platforms.
 With that being said, I haven't been banned from discord or facebook for using Fluffychat!
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Thats not really a problem with the matrix way, just how these other companys ch …], it is a risk to the user has to take tho
 facebook really?
 discord actually doesn't mind if you use a bridge afaict
 as long as you don't spam their api
 @Fuseteam [facebook really?], I use facebook messanger and Instagram messanger through fluffychat
 oh i did not know that was possible
 are you puppeting facebook and instagram?
 and discord for that matter 🤔
 (Photo, 243x185) https://irc.ubports.com/8jS0uIUQ.png
 i take that to mean "yes" :P
 are you selfhosting?
 wait that facebook bridge bot doesn't look like its puppeting 🤔
 The server I message from, no, but I do self host the bridges
 oh interesting
 didn't know you could selfhost just the bridges
 (Photo, 226x88) https://irc.ubports.com/BlQ8fqxr.png
 You have to self host an entire matrix, but I only use that matrix for puppets exclusively, because I dont have the confidence in myself or will power to keep everything up to date all the time.
 oh that makes sense
 Yeah, so you can't sign up, and the bots only whitelist my username and host, so you shouldn't be able to activate a bridge with my bots unless you specifically ask me and I set it up to do that for you.
 that also keeps the server optimized, nice
 Thats nothing against people using my server for that, it's just that I'm only paying a small amount for hosting, so I don't want to get a sudden influx, and also if I update it, sometimes it takes a while to get back up, and if people need it, and it breaks or something, then they'll be relying on me, if they're cool then its f
[15:27] <ubptgbot> ine, but if they needed the bot, I'm not getting paid so I dont need the angry messages :')
 yeah it's completely understandable 😂
 or you should offer a paid service muhehehehehe
 angry messages commence
 [Edit] angry messages initiated
 If it pays the bills, or gets me an extra coffee or two every now and again, then I dont mind that!
 xD
 @mateosalta [sure i think runing a server is possible on all them], Modem** gah
 xiomi mi a2  IPS display is that ok for ubuntu touch ?
 @КАКАРОТ [xiomi mi a2  IPS display is that ok for ubuntu touch ?], no idea ask in the group i linked, they know more about the xiaomi mi a2
 @КАКАРОТ [xiomi mi a2  IPS display is that ok for ubuntu touch ?], Yeah its okay
 great
 Is the port for the OnePlus one stable?
 Like are there bugs that might stop you from using UT as a daily driver?
 @TheVancedGamer [Is the port for the OnePlus one stable?], I use it as my only phone.
 @TheVancedGamer [Like are there bugs that might stop you from using UT as a daily driver?], depends on your usecase, the overal state can be seen on devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/bacon
[16:33] <ubptgbot> ming xing was added by: ming xing
 @Fuseteam [depends on your usecase, the overal state can be seen on devices.ubuntu-touch.io …], Thank you :)
 @klaartje_b [I use it as my only phone.], You use Ubuntu touch as daily driver?
 @Hyaakimaru [You use Ubuntu touch as daily driver?], Yes, many people do
 But if you have requirements that it doesn't meet, you don't have to
 I used to
 But how they use android apps? Or they just don't use
 Then my OPO fell out my pocket
 @Hyaakimaru [But how they use android apps? Or they just don't use], Just don't
 Tbh
 @Hyaakimaru [But how they use android apps? Or they just don't use], Don't use
 Oh
 I use telegram web, SoundCloud web
 Some fun games on open store
 I like the Idea of ubuntu touch but..   it doesn't support many
 Apps I use as daily driver
 @amyosx [I use telegram web, SoundCloud web], For that you need host app
 No?
 Webber
 Like when you switch from Android to iOS, you might need to change your habits in order to use Ubuntu Touch. Just... more habits than with the main platforms.
 If you don't want to do that, that's fine.
 Only WhatsApp you need that hell
 @amyosx [Only WhatsApp you need that hell], Thats what I am talking about 😂
 @UniversalSuperBox [Like when you switch from Android to iOS, you might need to change your habits i …], True, but Iphone support many apps we use in Android like whatsapp, Telegram, DJI apps
 Etc
 Yes, you are not saying anything that all 3000 people in this group don't already know. :)
 🙂
 Yup
 Telegram works (teleports or a web app)
 Web app does not need another phone
 you can use android as secondary phone if you really want to use UT
 @amyosx [Web app does not need another phone], For whatsapp they do
 @Hyaakimaru [For whatsapp they do], Only whatsapp
 Cause Facebook
 @Hyaakimaru [True, but Iphone support many apps we use in Android like whatsapp, Telegram, DJ …], telegram does support ubuntu touch
 @Javacookies [you can use android as secondary phone if you really want to use UT], Or dual boot in some
 and whatsapp is not the only webapp around xD
 @Fuseteam [telegram does support ubuntu touch], but We need host app for that
 And it support web client
 I never used WhatsApp in the first place... all I'm missing is a good app for Signal, but that is underway. Axolotl is in very active development at the moment. … Teleports works fine as a Telegram client.
 @Hyaakimaru [but We need host app for that], no we do not
 @amyosx [Cause Facebook], Facebook is shit tbh
 @amyosx [Or dual boot in some], or that, though there's no official solution for that yet
 @Fuseteam [no we do not], You sure 😨
 ?
 do not conflate whatsapp with all webapps, whatsapp is only of few that require a host, telegram does not, soundcloud does not
 You don't need a host app to use TELEports or any Telegram webapp.
 @Javacookies [or that, though there's no official solution for that yet], Yeah... If I use ubport installer thn it will not allow dual boot
 @Javacookies [or that, though there's no official solution for that yet], MultiROM works on bacon
 @Hyaakimaru [Facebook is shit tbh], it is but you can't escape it if everyone you know use it 😅
 With patches
 and teleports is a native client for telegram btw ;)
 @Javacookies [it is but you can't escape it if everyone you know use it 😅], They made us habitual
 @amyosx [MultiROM works on bacon], on Nexus 5 as well, easy to install but hard to reflash 😅
 @Fuseteam [and teleports is a native client for telegram btw ;)], I will try it thn... Finally good news
 btw in case the news didn't reach, whatsapp is working on making whatsapp web standalone
 @Fuseteam [btw in case the news didn't reach, whatsapp is working on making whatsapp web st …], Yeah they are...
 it is able to do video calls appearently on the desktop
 @Fuseteam [it is able to do video calls appearently on the desktop], On desktop it works fine
 so with a lot of work whatsweb could a possible replacement
 and i mean a lot of work
 [Edit] and i mean a lot of work :P
 unfortunately, there are times you need something that UT can't do yet so may be better to have a backup iPhone/Android phone … recently, I had a similar situation 😆
 @Fuseteam [so with a lot of work whatsweb could a possible replacement], Many People will think to migrate to ubuntu touch after that
 @Javacookies [unfortunately, there are times you need something that UT can't do yet so may be …], yeah there are some situations like that
 @Hyaakimaru [Many People will think to migrate to ubuntu touch after that], It won't be like a mass exodus or anything, we can't set the expectations too high.
 @Javacookies [unfortunately, there are times you need something that UT can't do yet so may be …], I can't even call with my Sim card while using Ubuntu touch because that sim card only call with voLTE
 @UniversalSuperBox [It won't be like a mass exodus or anything, we can't set the expectations too hi …], Yeah but still a lil bit
 @Hyaakimaru [Many People will think to migrate to ubuntu touch after that], who knows, you mentioned need 3 apps not 1 remember? just whatsapp won't be enough :P
 but for many years, I use UT exclusively … I have an android phone now because I thought I can use UT on it but it was discontinued before I can even try 😂
 lol
 @Fuseteam [who knows, you mentioned need 3 apps not 1 remember? just whatsapp won't be enou …], Dji apps are exception... Because people usually buy secondary phone for drones
 You could use whatsapp with a XMPP client
 (I think that's the spelling)
 @Hyaakimaru [Dji apps are exception... Because people usually buy secondary phone for drones], DJi? like Disk Jockey Inc?
 @Hyaakimaru [I can't even call with my Sim card while using Ubuntu touch because that sim car …], that really worries me, my country will most likely be late on that regard but it will definitely affect many UT users
 @Javacookies [but for many years, I use UT exclusively … I have an android phone now because I t …], Sad😅
 @Fuseteam [DJi? like Disk Jockey Inc?], The drone company
 @Fuseteam [DJi? like Disk Jockey Inc?], DJI is drone company
 ah
 Yeah... Actually I repair drone
 So I need that app
 @TheVancedGamer [You could use whatsapp with a XMPP client], that was the case but whatsapp are rather strict, they have banned third party clients in the past
 @Hyaakimaru [So I need that app], But Yeah I can use desktop for that
 @Fuseteam [that was the case but whatsapp are rather strict, they have banned third party c …], There is a client for that that still works
 if it only needs network access, i think it could work with anbox 🤔
 @TheVancedGamer [There is a client for that that still works], still risky for new users
 Even Sailfish OS doesn't support, ryt?
 oh hey sailfish, good point
 wonder how many people are users of sailfish and ut combined 🤔
 Idk... 😕
 I never saw user of sailfish
 Os
 Here In my country there aren't much user because of ofc voLTE
 well there are 3k users here lemme see how the sailfish group compares lol
 Lol
 Check!
 I feel like there are more Sailfish users
 i don't think their active on telegram
 their news channel plus @sailfishos amounts to around 1k lol
 @Javacookies [I feel like there are more Sailfish users], same
 and even if whatsapp decides to support sailfish, its not like they'll just support ut while they're at it 😂
 @Fuseteam [their news channel plus @sailfishos amounts to around 1k lol], Lol
 We are just unlucku
 Unlucky*
 use the power of your name :^3
 Its just a name😔
 boo
 Thats why there is not even official support of sailfish for my phone
 @Hyaakimaru [I never saw user of sailfish], I can stretch my arm out and touch one!
 not really :p
 there we go heh
 @klaartje_b [I can stretch my arm out and touch one!], Is he ur homie?
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 @Hyaakimaru [Is he ur homie?], You know what, I'll go with 'yes'. 😂
 😂
 Thats great
 How he use apps?
 Or even he have secondary phone?
 He doesn't really use the smartphone... he carries a feature phone.
 He is the lucky one
 He mostly uses his laptop, like I do. Signal, Telegram and everything else.
 @klaartje_b [He mostly uses his laptop, like I do. Signal, Telegram and everything else.], Thats what I am thinking
 Like
 Installing UT on phone
 And using laptop for
 Typing on a phone is a pain and viewing the web on a phone is like looking outside through the mail slot. 😜
 Whatsapp or telegram
 @klaartje_b [Typing on a phone is a pain and viewing the web on a phone is like looking outsi …], Yeah😅
 But using laptop whole time is also pain
 @klaartje_b [Typing on a phone is a pain and viewing the web on a phone is like looking outsi …], i wonder how much improved it would be with a japanese style 12 key keyboard
 @Hyaakimaru [But using laptop whole time is also pain], I like my laptop. It sits on my lap, it's warm and it purrs. Like a cat.
 @Fuseteam [wonder how many people are users of sailfish and ut combined 🤔], I use sfos now and then :P
 @klaartje_b [I like my laptop. It sits on my lap, it's warm and it purrs. Like a cat.], Lol
 @klaartje_b [Typing on a phone is a pain and viewing the web on a phone is like looking outsi …], UT is fun to use on a tablet 😄 … better for viewing and multitaskin, although typing is more painful 😅
 @Javacookies [UT is fun to use on a tablet 😄 … better for viewing and multitaskin, although typ …], I use Ubuntu as my primary OS on laptop
 And yeah its amazing
 @Javacookies [UT is fun to use on a tablet 😄 … better for viewing and multitaskin, although typ …], Soon. We 'just' need to hack our way in despite the FRP lock.
 @Javacookies [UT is fun to use on a tablet 😄 … better for viewing and multitaskin, although typ …], How about a BT keyboard?
 try to search on youtube … that's how I was able to reset a samsung tablet 😄
 @Javacookies [try to search on youtube … that's how I was able to reset a samsung tablet 😄], Thanks, I will!
 @klaartje_b [How about a BT keyboard?], that's fine when I use it on a table but I hold it more often with 2 hands
 @Javacookies [that's fine when I use it on a table but I hold it more often with 2 hands], Makes sense.
 @klaartje_b [How about a BT keyboard?], pinephone with keyboard
 pinephone keyboard back/cover with NFC, Qi, and extra battery == now it's a laptop
 a very small laptop 😄
 palmtop
 probably about the same size as my old fujitsu u820
 ubport installer work on  Xiaomi Mi A2  or need another way ?
 with some more pixels
 @dohbee [pinephone keyboard back/cover with NFC, Qi, and extra battery == now it's a lapt …], Pinephone with better specs when?
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/mg0jek8e.webp
 I personally prefer a smaller and slide out keyboard … though, I must say, I don't really look much for a physical keyboard on phones
 @КАКАРОТ [ubport installer work on  Xiaomi Mi A2  or need another way ?], Do you have a jdi panel?
 @Javacookies [I personally prefer a smaller and slide out keyboard … though, I must say, I don't …], well i can't replace my main phone with it anyway, so having it as a palmtop would probably be better
 touch screen nvt-ts
 @dohbee [palmtop], Like a Psion.
 @КАКАРОТ [touch screen nvt-ts], send a screenshot
 of what ?hw
 @Javacookies [I personally prefer a smaller and slide out keyboard … though, I must say, I don't …], Are physical keyboards supported? Which ported phone has one?
 @КАКАРОТ [of what ?hw], yes, that app
 @ee [Are physical keyboards supported? Which ported phone has one?], cosmo communicator and fxtec pro 1
 pinetab
 @ee [Are physical keyboards supported? Which ported phone has one?], wired and BT keyboards are supported … and Rodney mentioned the known devices with built-in physical keyboard
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 They haven't done anything recently.
 hmm, i guess not 🤷‍♀️
 @dohbee [palmtop], are we allowed to call it a "palmtop" 😂
 yes
 @Javacookies [wired and BT keyboards are supported … and Rodney mentioned the known devices with …], Excellent. Thanks!
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 @dohbee [yes], well then imma call all ut devices palmtops from now on xD
 they don't all have keyboards though
 you make a point 👀
 (Photo, 318x211) https://irc.ubports.com/IMcQhebu.png I have this one somewhere... I bought it for a motorbike trip through Africa. It performed fine, mostly for email.
 @Fuseteam [<reply to media>], aha! it is because it is scaled! i wonder if this is fixable in the container
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 @klaartje_b [<reply to media>], Did you have the dock for it too? Great device
 @Synt4x93 [Did you have the dock for it too? Great device], No, just a charger, stylus and a PCMCIA modem. It could dial in!
 @klaartje_b [No, just a charger, stylus and a PCMCIA modem. It could dial in!], Very nice, wish I had the modem card back then lol
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 0.8.8 is the latest. Download from Gitlab
 wonder why it didn't publish to snap store
[20:48] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @Stereofont [0.8.8 is the latest. Download from Gitlab], Indeed. But snap can not be updated via the repositories... It was just to inform...
 @dohbee [wonder why it didn't publish to snap store], Looks like it published but I can't promote it
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