[19:34] <Kraus> Hello! I have a question about which package is pulseaudio-module-jack a dependency of? Is it not part of pulseaudio?
[19:34] <Kraus> (Focal repository)
[19:39] <RikMills> Kraus: ubuntustudio-audio-core recommends it. ubuntustudio-controls depends on it
[19:40] <Kraus> RikMills: Thanks! How can I find this out on my own in the future?
[19:41] <Kraus> Oh shoot, he left.
[19:41] <RikMills> Kraus: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ykJzNYZxcP/
[19:42] <Kraus> Someone in #ubuntu just told me apt-cache rdepends pulseaudio-module-jack
[19:42] <RikMills> well, that is ok on an installed system. I was using the more general thing from ubuntu-dev-tools
[19:42] <Kraus> Wait a minute.. how come RikMills isn't showing up in the member list?
[19:43] <RikMills> uh, what?
[19:43] <RikMills> what list?
[19:43] <Kraus> In this channel 23 users, it's showing.. but it's going to m msalvatore to sil2100 .. no one starting with R
[19:44] <RikMills> No idea. My IRC client shows me ;)
[19:44] <Kraus> One sec, this is weird, because I'm not seeing any operators in here either. Let me rejoin
[19:44] <Kraus> Whoah, now it's 58 members.. what the heck
[19:45]  * RikMills shrugs
[19:45] <Kraus> Mynocks must be chewing on the power cables again.
[19:46] <Kraus> RikMills: So, reverse-depends is a better tool ya think?
[19:48] <RikMills> better in general for development purposes, as it queries the deps on the ubuntuwire for any release you like, not just your installed system
[19:48] <RikMills> https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man1/reverse-depends.1.html
[19:48] <Kraus> Here's what's interesting. reverse-depends isn't showing me the other programs that apt-cache rdepends pulseaudio-module-jack was showing: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BMcsMZGDfb/
[19:49] <Kraus> What's even more interesting is neither of these are listing qjackctl.
[19:49] <Kraus> Hmmmm... I think qjackctl isn't part of ubuntu's repositories.
[19:49] <Kraus> I think that's strictly kxstudio.
[19:50] <RikMills> there is no package named cadence-tools in focal
[19:50] <Kraus> No, wait..
[19:50] <Kraus> sudo apt show qjackctl shows it's part of universe/sound
[19:51] <Kraus> RikMills: That's correct, cadence is part of the kxstudio repo
[19:51] <Kraus> But apt-cache rdepends is showing it to me, probably because I have kxstudio's repo added to my source list.
[19:52] <RikMills> yes, reverse-depends command is just for the ubuntu archive
[19:52] <RikMills> It is a development tool, as we are in MOTU ;)
[19:54] <RikMills> as you asked in here, my assumption was based on that
[19:55] <RikMills> if you want to query your own local setup, the other apt commands are more pertinent
[19:55] <Kraus> Gotcha. But what's concerning me is neither of these tools are listing qjackctl as a program with pulseaudio-module-jack as a dependency. It's a vital dependency, because it's what carries the /usr/lib/pulse-13.99.1/modules/module-jackdbus-detect.so which auto-spawns sinks and sources from pulse to jack.
[19:56] <RikMills> It is not listed as one: https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/qjackctl
[19:56] <RikMills> If you think that is wrong, please file a bug
[19:57] <Kraus> Should I ask the qjackctl devs first perhaps?
[19:58] <RikMills> Kraus: I no not much about jack. I would suggest asking the ubuntu-studio devs. they use it day to day
[19:58] <Kraus> What's weird is, I don't recall ever manually installing pulseaudio-module-jack
[19:58] <RikMills> #ubuntustudio-devel
[19:58] <Kraus> Yeah, they use it, but they aren't the only game in town.
[19:59] <Kraus> They're having lots of their own issues that I don't wanna deal with, frankly :P
[19:59] <RikMills> That is as much as I can say
[19:59] <Kraus> No worries, thanks.
[20:17] <Kraus> RikMills: #lad is saying this is a pulseaudio problem that pulseaudio-module-jack is not included with debian's pulseaudio package.
 pulseaudio is wrong yes .. <falktx> I dont see a single good reason why pulseaudio-module-jack needs to be a split package
[20:17] <Kraus> So yeah, how do I file a bug report like you suggested?
[20:24] <Kraus> Ah, I think I found it. But, should this be an ubuntu bug report, or a debian bug report
[20:24] <Kraus> ?