[19:34] Hello! I have a question about which package is pulseaudio-module-jack a dependency of? Is it not part of pulseaudio? [19:34] (Focal repository) [19:39] Kraus: ubuntustudio-audio-core recommends it. ubuntustudio-controls depends on it [19:40] RikMills: Thanks! How can I find this out on my own in the future? [19:41] Oh shoot, he left. [19:41] Kraus: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ykJzNYZxcP/ [19:42] Someone in #ubuntu just told me apt-cache rdepends pulseaudio-module-jack [19:42] well, that is ok on an installed system. I was using the more general thing from ubuntu-dev-tools [19:42] Wait a minute.. how come RikMills isn't showing up in the member list? [19:43] uh, what? [19:43] what list? [19:43] In this channel 23 users, it's showing.. but it's going to m msalvatore to sil2100 .. no one starting with R [19:44] No idea. My IRC client shows me ;) [19:44] One sec, this is weird, because I'm not seeing any operators in here either. Let me rejoin [19:44] Whoah, now it's 58 members.. what the heck [19:45] * RikMills shrugs [19:45] Mynocks must be chewing on the power cables again. [19:46] RikMills: So, reverse-depends is a better tool ya think? [19:48] better in general for development purposes, as it queries the deps on the ubuntuwire for any release you like, not just your installed system [19:48] https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man1/reverse-depends.1.html [19:48] Here's what's interesting. reverse-depends isn't showing me the other programs that apt-cache rdepends pulseaudio-module-jack was showing: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/BMcsMZGDfb/ [19:49] What's even more interesting is neither of these are listing qjackctl. [19:49] Hmmmm... I think qjackctl isn't part of ubuntu's repositories. [19:49] I think that's strictly kxstudio. [19:50] there is no package named cadence-tools in focal [19:50] No, wait.. [19:50] sudo apt show qjackctl shows it's part of universe/sound [19:51] RikMills: That's correct, cadence is part of the kxstudio repo [19:51] But apt-cache rdepends is showing it to me, probably because I have kxstudio's repo added to my source list. [19:52] yes, reverse-depends command is just for the ubuntu archive [19:52] It is a development tool, as we are in MOTU ;) [19:54] as you asked in here, my assumption was based on that [19:55] if you want to query your own local setup, the other apt commands are more pertinent [19:55] Gotcha. But what's concerning me is neither of these tools are listing qjackctl as a program with pulseaudio-module-jack as a dependency. It's a vital dependency, because it's what carries the /usr/lib/pulse-13.99.1/modules/module-jackdbus-detect.so which auto-spawns sinks and sources from pulse to jack. [19:56] It is not listed as one: https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/qjackctl [19:56] If you think that is wrong, please file a bug [19:57] Should I ask the qjackctl devs first perhaps? [19:58] Kraus: I no not much about jack. I would suggest asking the ubuntu-studio devs. they use it day to day [19:58] What's weird is, I don't recall ever manually installing pulseaudio-module-jack [19:58] #ubuntustudio-devel [19:58] Yeah, they use it, but they aren't the only game in town. [19:59] They're having lots of their own issues that I don't wanna deal with, frankly :P [19:59] That is as much as I can say [19:59] No worries, thanks. [20:17] RikMills: #lad is saying this is a pulseaudio problem that pulseaudio-module-jack is not included with debian's pulseaudio package. === Rh0nda is now known as Rhonda [20:17] pulseaudio is wrong yes .. I dont see a single good reason why pulseaudio-module-jack needs to be a split package [20:17] So yeah, how do I file a bug report like you suggested? [20:24] Ah, I think I found it. But, should this be an ubuntu bug report, or a debian bug report [20:24] ?