[00:06] <qwertuttyty> To test this, I will not install ubuntu-gnome. I don't want. It's easier for me to copy the files to format a USB flash drive to another file system and see.
[00:17] <qwertuttyty> ubuntu-mate is installed. I will check it how in u-mate
[00:18] <qwertuttyty> i am writing from Windows host
[00:19] <qwertuttyty> pidgin
[00:58] <isene> I have an entry in crontab to run a script every hour (as root): 0 * * * * /bin/script
[00:59] <isene> I can run the script manually,  but crontab doesn't run it
[00:59] <sarnold> check root's mail, it may have an error in there
[00:59] <sarnold> the most common problem is usally the different PATH that cron sets than your interactive shell has
[00:59] <isene> sarnold: Thanks.  Will check
[01:00] <sarnold> but it's worth checking for errors in the email to try to find out what exactly it reported, if anything
[01:00] <isene> I do run the same absolute path manually and in crontab...
[01:01] <isene> But will check root's mail
[01:02] <qwertuttyty> it looks like the recording on the usb flash has stopped at 160072 kB, I will still observe.
[01:23] <qwertuttyty> I wonder what it was. 160 MB was written and how often this will happen
[01:23] <pytorch> I want to run "apt update/upgrade" on all my servers using a single script. What is a good way to set this up?
[01:28] <sarnold> pytorch: modify the unattended-upgrades package configuration to do what you want it to do
[01:29] <pytorch> sarnold: I would like to manually fire update/upgrade at times on a selection of servers.
[01:30] <sarnold> pytorch: ah. ansible / chef / puppet things are popular for these kinds of tasks
[01:31] <oerheks> or maybe a multiple ssh connection, clusterssh
[01:31] <oerheks> !info clusterssh
[01:32] <sarnold> 'or rsh'
[01:32] <sarnold> wow :)
[01:33] <pytorch> thanks!
[01:33] <pytorch> I'll look into clusterssh/rsh
[01:34] <sarnold> pytorch: ignore rsh :)
[01:34] <sarnold> pytorch: ssh replaced rsh something like 22 years ago
[01:34] <sarnold> so rsh showing up in the package descruiption suggests to me that it's pretty old :)
[01:35] <pytorch> both rsh / clusterssh seem be less maintained than ansible
[01:36] <oerheks> ansible and chef, one needs to know the tools and logic behind it.
[01:37] <oerheks> it is like using openoffice as a notepad
[01:38] <pytorch> seems like i'm going to use ansible
[01:42] <qwertuttyty> "qwertuttyty: not much in the idle writes ( if writes). ~ 1 mb per hour" - wrong
[03:49] <loganlee> hello folks!
[03:50]  * loganlee runs ubuntu 20.4.1 LTS
[03:51] <Bashing-om> loganlee: Out of date ? >> Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS :D
[03:52] <loganlee> Bashing-om: maybe i'm mistaken but it is ubuntu 20.4.* LTS
[03:55] <amicrawler> hello
[03:55] <amicrawler> is there a work around for this finding noting on the subject
[03:56] <amicrawler> file:///run/user/1000/gvfs/ftp:host=192.168.0.50
[03:57] <amicrawler> cant view photos with out this loading all the time
[04:01] <oerheks> gvfs gnome firtual filesystem, must be related to a connected android, ftp, google photo or such, mounted on 192.168.0.50
[04:02] <oerheks> what is wrong with that?
[04:09] <amicrawler> i dont have a droid
[04:09] <amicrawler> i do use ftp
[04:10] <amicrawler> is there a way to unmount where ever is there ?
[04:48] <tomreyn> amicrawler: gio unmount, or udisksctl unmount
[04:50] <loganlee> how do i remove a service file safely? do i do `systemctl disale blah.service` then delete that service file?
[04:50] <loganlee> systemctl disable blah.service
[04:56] <Bashing-om> loganlee: sudo systemctl stop <service> ; sudo systemctl disable <service> - a "disable" stops the service but it can be restarted by you or another process. A "mask" makes the service un-startable until you "unmask" it: ' sudo systemctl mask <service> .
[07:54] <Hash> Hello, ubuntu updated dovecot to 2.3 but I want to downgrade for now to 2.2 how can I?
[07:58] <lupulo> Hash, you could download the package and install with dpkg -i
[07:59] <TheBigK> lupulo: thats probably not gonna fly due to dependencies
[08:02] <TheBigK> Hash: there are 2 ways to go about it. Compile the package by hand. That would mean that U can its working even tho u upgrade ur system. A downgrad is only supported to a previous version inside that distribution. If u use the older package from a different distribution... u need to know what ur doing and its probably not supported since u mixing distriubutions...
[08:10] <Hash> Is it possible to pin it?
[08:10] <Hash> Or a version
[08:11] <Hash> Package: dovecot-core
[08:11] <Hash> Pin: version 2.2*
[08:11] <Hash> Pin-Priority: 999
[08:12] <Hash> but if you need dovecot* can do you that?
[08:15] <me-sudoer-dentne> I need help with setting up mpd
[08:15] <me-sudoer-dentne> i am unable to use pulse with mpd
[08:16] <me-sudoer-dentne> can someone just tell me the vague steps in setting it up
[08:16] <legreffier> what have you tried ? how does it fail ?
[08:16] <me-sudoer-dentne> should i show the logs
[08:17] <me-sudoer-dentne> in bpas.te
[08:17] <legreffier> anywhere except here... any relevant info is a plus.
[08:18] <me-sudoer-dentne> it says couldn't connect to pulse
[08:19] <me-sudoer-dentne> and now its not even starting
[08:45] <Hash> Is there any way to go back to 2.2 dovecot on 20.04? I Tried a few things but no luck in pinning
[08:46] <Hash> I was on 2.2, and after updated, I'm on 2.3. Would like to downgrade. same ubuntu version 20.04
[08:51] <lupulo> Hash, TheBigK says to you, you search the package 2.2, and download the tgz, after you try to ./configure and make install
[08:51] <Hash> Oh
[08:52] <TheBigK> thanks for clarifying lupulo ;)
[08:52] <Hash> Where can I find the 2.2 tgz in 20.04?
[08:52] <Hash> I'm having trouble finding it
[08:52] <TheBigK> lol. no tgz for 20.04
[08:52] <Hash> WHy?
[08:52] <TheBigK> u download the sources and compile by hand
[08:52] <Hash> What happens to older packages?
[08:52] <Hash> Dont' you guys archive anything?
[08:53] <TheBigK> Hash u dont understand the problem
[08:53] <TheBigK> obviously 20.04 is available with dovecot 2.2
[08:53] <TheBigK> but the problem is ur dependencies...
[08:54] <TheBigK> the dovecot 2.2 package in ubuntu 20.04 has different depenendcies than it expects in ru 21.04 installation
[08:54] <Hash> I don't have 21
[08:54] <Hash> Why are we alking about 21?
[08:54] <Hash> I'm very confused.
[08:55] <Hash> I have always been on 20.04. I accidentally did apt update. I got 2.3 now I want to go back to 2.2.
[08:55] <TheBigK> Hash: am i crazy? did ubuntu lts rly cahnge the version of dovecot?
[08:55] <TheBigK> okay i got it... sorry... i misunderstood completely
[08:55] <Hash> yes, it broke my server.
[08:55] <TheBigK> im sorry
[08:55] <TheBigK> i would never thought that Ubuntu changes the major version of a package
[08:55] <Hash> Apparently so. And you can't even get the previous version through apt
[08:56] <TheBigK> lets see... apt-cache policy dovecot .. can u pastebin that for me?
[08:56] <lupulo> Hash, you could use docker too, https://hub.docker.com/r/dovecot/dovecot/
[08:56] <Hash> No more complications. I just want to go bck to 2.2
[08:56] <Hash> No more dockers nothing
[08:56] <lupulo> Hash, Ubuntu should fix the defects in previous packages.
[08:57] <Hash> https://termbin.com/3ya0
[08:58] <Hash> What happened to the 2.2 packages?
[08:58] <Hash> Did they just disappear in the Universe?
[08:58] <Hash> Why can't I just remove dovecot 2.3 completely, and apt-get install dovecot-core=2.2 or something?
[08:59] <Hash> I am very confused by how ubuntu works
[08:59] <Hash> Why is it offering me major email server upgrade that breaks the server in an LTS release?
[08:59] <Hash> It should be frozen. No new version and only security updates.
[08:59] <Hash> Why is a new version coming into frozen? Is this not like debian? Do you not freeze an LTS/stable?
[09:00] <Hash> Where is the stability?
[09:00] <Hash> I'm VERY confused.
[09:00] <lupulo> Hash, sure it exists a developer channel of Ubuntu, you could ask about policy
[09:00] <viktor_> I know it's a stupid question, but i can't figure out the right syntax for this "ufw allow in from 192.168.1.1/255 to any port app Samba". Anyone?
[09:04] <viktor_> Hash: Have you looked into Debian?
[09:05] <TheBigK> Hash: when did u do updates the last time? im also very confused
[09:05] <Hash> I've no idea.
[09:05] <TheBigK> viktor_: that doesnt help him. his server is broken... :)
[09:05] <Hash> I just now realized the mail server is down.
[09:05] <Hash> I can't remember how long it's been down.
[09:06] <Hash> Worst case scenario, I'm making a snapshot at this point. Then going to restore the snapshot from Dec 19 2020
[09:06] <Hash> The last date I did one. Hoping that does the trick. If not, \o/
[09:06] <TheBigK> can u pastebin the /var/log/apt/history.log ?
[09:08] <TheBigK> hash http://ubuntu-master.mirror.tudos.de/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dovecot/
[09:08] <Hash> I already saw it there is nothing there regarding dovecot upgrade, just what I did today remove/reinstall etc.
[09:09] <TheBigK> whats the actual reason that u want to downgrade from 2.3 to 2.2... i just came here wanting to downgrade...
[09:09] <TheBigK> * u just came here... :)
[09:10] <lupulo> Hash, why a docker dovecot is not useful for you?
[09:11] <TheBigK> lupulo: if he doesnt know how to handle docker... it wont help right now to confuse him more ;D
[09:12] <TheBigK> lupulo: but ur right... docker could help him downgrading in a way...
[09:13] <TheBigK> lupulo: is there actually a major release upgrade done in ubuntu 20.04
[09:13] <lupulo> Hash, you have the right version without destroy Ubuntu https://hub.docker.com/r/instrumentisto/dovecot
[09:13] <Hash> Alright my friend
[09:13] <Hash> https://bpa.st/HUKQ
[09:13] <Hash> Looks like we're a solid golden monkey right now
[09:14] <TheBigK> so u recovered the snapshot ?
[09:14] <TheBigK> or whats going on
[09:14] <Hash> No
[09:14] <Hash> I grabbed the 2.2.33 from your link and voila.
[09:14] <Hash> My world makes sense once again.
[09:14] <TheBigK> okay... but u should be aware of the security risk
[09:14] <TheBigK> please read changelogs and check if u can make 2.3 work somehow :)
[09:15] <Hash> Yes, current goal is to have business emails working again.
[09:15] <TheBigK> i get that. thats why i tried to help as much as i can
[09:15] <Hash> I will figure out a new email setup soon. I'm tired of exim and dovecot.
[09:15] <Hash> Thanks for recognizing the priority
[09:15] <TheBigK> dovecot is the way to go... about exim i would agree on :D
[09:15] <Hash> I have online shop, and lack of emails made a customer do a chargeback on a purchase
[09:16] <Hash> Anyway. whew! what a night.
[09:16] <TheBigK> i wanna change to dovecot... but somehow im always to lazy :D
[09:16] <Hash> Going to apt hold dovecot packages. For now.
[09:16] <TheBigK> so many emails in my cyrus... :D
[09:17] <Hash> in 12 years I haave no email problems. It works fine. Just stupid stuff like this is small issue for few hours every few years.
[09:17] <TheBigK> what did the log say in terms of starting dovecot... may be the fix isnt as hard as it looks right now
[09:17] <Hash> It's worth the price tag.
[09:17] <Hash> No idea. Time to sleepy sleepy
[09:17] <TheBigK> okay... bye :)
[09:17] <Hash> Good night! Thanks for your help
[09:18] <Hash> Also, it's very strange how ubuntu did this inside of an LTS.
[09:19] <Hash> When debian is frozen, it's frozen. You can cont on it and rely on it.
[09:19] <Hash> It seems though 2.2 -> 2.3 is from ubutnu security...
[09:20] <Hash> Really? Ubuntu does version uprades in an LTS from security too?
[09:20] <Hash> That's a really peculiar model. I will have to compare with debian.
[09:26] <lupulo> Hash, you could try FreeBSD too
[09:29] <lupulo> port moved to mail/dovecot on 2019-02-04
[09:29] <lupulo> REASON: Has expired: End of Life upstream, use mail/dovecot instead
[09:29] <lupulo> https://www.freshports.org/mail/dovecot22/
[09:30] <lupulo> it seems similar to Ubuntu
[09:31] <lotuspsychje> lupulo: lets not reccomend freebsd in the ubuntu support channel
[09:32] <lupulo> ok
[09:35] <viktor_> trying to set up ufw, but i seem to missing some small syntax thing. Anyone can tell me how i should write this: "ufw allow from 192.168.1.1/255 to app Samba"?
[09:35] <viktor_> want to limit the incomming ip-addresses to local and limit the rule to Samba
[09:35] <lotuspsychje> viktor_: could try #netfilter if you like
[10:05] <pikapika> Does 21.04 have the option for xorg?
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> pikapika: yes, at login
[10:05] <pikapika> Ok, thank god
[10:06] <pikapika> lotuspsychje, is 20.04 xorg or wayland by default?
[10:06] <pikapika> (the lts version
[10:06] <pikapika> (the lts version)
[10:06] <lotuspsychje> 20.04 has xorg by default, 21.04 wayland
[10:06] <pikapika> Ok
[10:06] <pikapika> Does that indicate the next lts (ie 22.04 lts) would be wayland default?
[10:23] <ravage>  If it will still be the default in 21.10 then it is very likely
[10:52] <ogra> pikapika, wayland will likely be the default in the next LTS, but as long as nvidia does not work with it there will always be a selectable xorg session (which will be the default for nvidia users automatically)
[11:15] <parabyte> hi any rooms for mumudvb or digital tv linux?
[11:15] <parabyte> im having no luck getting mumudvb to work properly
[11:17] <lotuspsychje> parabyte: mumudvb seems to be on the official repos, whats your issue exactly?
[11:17] <parabyte> WARN:  DVB:  Error : DVR buffer overrun
[11:19] <parabyte> and when i view a multicast stream i get a few seconds of sound and then vlc borks out, im assuming cause mumudvb decided to stop sending data
[11:19] <parabyte> i get the same results across all popular video software projects mplayer etc
[11:20] <agvantibo> Hello. I was trying to upgrade from focal to groovy and the installer crashed. Attempts to restart it were futile, and it corrupted sources.list. What do I do?
[11:21] <parabyte> fire up a terminal emulator agvantibo
[11:22] <agvantibo> super+t okay
[11:22] <agvantibo> aand?
[11:23] <parabyte> um you may want to check google for answers agvantibo but off the top of my head i believe sudo apt-get -f install is what you want
[11:23] <parabyte> check with other users before you commit agvantibo as i am not a ubuntu user! but i am pretty certain that will tell apt to figure out whats going on and finish the install
[11:24] <agvantibo> https://paste.gnome.org/phelxenee nope
[11:24] <agvantibo> You do know what a sources.list is, right?
[11:24] <agvantibo> RIGHT?
[11:25] <parabyte> yes
[11:25] <agvantibo> Das good to hear
[11:26] <parabyte> agvantibo, do a google for failed ubuntu upgrade what to do!
[11:26] <agvantibo> I've tried update-manager -c -d and /usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/check-new-release-gtk to no avail either
[11:26] <parabyte> you be surprised what google will throw up
[11:26] <agvantibo> and I've done my homework, believe me
[11:26] <parabyte> im a debian user unfortunately so some of my information maybe invalid for you
[11:27] <agvantibo> That's why I am asking
[11:27] <agvantibo> parabyte, ok. It is probably too distro-specific
[11:27] <parabyte> agvantibo, if there is nothing special installed on your system, and you have a seperate home file system on your hard drive seperate from root maybe just reinstall the distro?
[11:27] <parabyte> i know its fun learning new things, but sometimes just doing that saves so much time!
[11:27] <agvantibo> uauuugh
[11:28] <parabyte> especially when a distro like ubuntu gets confused and goes into dependency hell cause of apt
[11:28] <agvantibo> no, I have too much important packages set up to just ruin it
[11:28] <parabyte> no thats fair enough, maybe bear my idea in mind, copy all the configuration for your packages to a usb key from etc
[11:29] <parabyte> worth a thought
[11:29] <agvantibo> https://paste.gnome.org/pdu10rerx WOAH look what happened
[11:29] <agvantibo> Is that ok?
[11:29] <agvantibo> Is that what I want?
[11:29] <parabyte> face detection!
[11:29] <agvantibo> Yes
[11:29] <parabyte> lol i dont have that on debian
[11:30] <parabyte> have you pressed yes?
[11:30] <agvantibo> It's called howdy and you could get it here: https://github.com/boltgolt/howdy
[11:30] <agvantibo> not yet
[11:30] <parabyte> well things are borked up already, i see no harm in telling apt to upgrade those packages?!
[11:30] <parabyte> take my advice with a pinch of salt!
[11:30] <parabyte> but just my opinion
[11:31] <agvantibo> I am unsure if it is okay with the destroyed sources.list
[11:31] <parabyte> hang on
[11:31] <agvantibo> And the system is perfectly usable even across reboots (yet)
[11:31] <parabyte> cant you edit the sources.list with the new release name
[11:31] <parabyte> do a apt-get update
[11:31] <agvantibo> So my fear of breaking things should be understood
[11:31] <parabyte> and then try dist-upgrade
[11:32] <parabyte> but yeah this is sounding like breaking things you are right!
[11:32] <agvantibo> I've pressed Y...
[11:32] <parabyte> ok!
[11:32] <heller_> hey guys. upgrading fom 16.04 LTS to 20.xx LTS. Anything to take note of?
[11:32] <parabyte> wow thats a old release heller_
[11:32] <heller_> yeah, i  know
[11:33] <lotuspsychje> 16.04 is still supported
[11:33] <agvantibo> https://paste.gnome.org/pqxcqixqk Went smooth AFAIK
[11:33] <agvantibo> Brrr, I'm afraid to reboot now
[11:34] <agvantibo> And this is my ONLY pc and my ONLY daily driver.
[11:34] <parabyte> lol
[11:34] <parabyte> oh no
[11:34] <agvantibo> Wouldn't like to bork things up
[11:34] <heller_> so nothing special to think of? :)
[11:34] <jkwnki> hi, i installed sshfs. now when trying to mount my mobile device its complaining with: "fuse: device not found, try 'modprobe fuse' first". on arch fuse3 is a dependency of sshfs
[11:34] <parabyte> i installed coreboot onto one of my systems a few days ago and lost all system fans including psu fan! hahahah
[11:35] <parabyte> trying to debug why that is happening exactly
[11:35] <jkwnki> should i install fuse3 separately?
[11:36] <jkwnki> and why isnt fuse dependency of sshfs when its complaining about it?
[11:36] <agvantibo> heller_ I HOPE NO, 'CAUSE UPGRADING FROM 20.04 to 20.10 BROKE MY PC!
[11:36] <agvantibo> *late loud shouting warning*
[11:37] <heller_> what about the upgrading path. can i go from 16.xx to 20xx ?
[11:37] <ravage> im sure you have a backup made before started that process
[11:37] <heller_> or do i have to do 18.xx first?
[11:37] <ravage> you can only upgrade from version to version
[11:37] <ravage> or lts to lts
[11:38] <ravage> you cant skip one
[11:38] <agvantibo>  /usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/check-new-release-gtk
[11:38] <agvantibo> /usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/check-new-release-gtk:30: PyGIWarning: Gtk was imported without specifying a version first. Use gi.require_version('Gtk', '3.0') before import to ensure that the right version gets loaded.
[11:38] <agvantibo>   from gi.repository import Gtk
[11:38] <agvantibo> WARNING:root:timeout reached, exiting
[11:38] <agvantibo> also this
[11:38] <agvantibo> what the funk is this
[11:40] <Venemo> hey guys
[11:40] <Venemo> is it possible on ubuntu for a 32 and 64 bit library to coexist?
[11:40] <Venemo> I'm trying to install llvm-dev:i386 and it wants to uninstall a bunch of 64 bit packages
[11:40] <agvantibo> No
[11:41] <agvantibo> Unfortunately
[11:41] <Venemo> is this a recent regression? I was unaware that it stopped working
[11:41] <Venemo> and it works on other distros
[11:41] <agvantibo> Wait wtf -dev is source code, right?
[11:41] <Venemo> -dev is the development package
[11:41] <agvantibo> Yes
[11:42] <Venemo> it has headers, pkg-config files and such
[11:42] <agvantibo> Oh. Oops
[11:42] <ravage> Venemo, Ubuntu has a 32 bit path for libs. so :i386 packages can coexist if installed via apt
[11:42] <heller_> how can i upgrade ubuntu without upgraind php?
[11:42] <heller_> i need to stick with 7.3. for now. Upgrade is trying to get me php8
[11:42] <ravage> heller_, PPA
[11:43] <Venemo> ravage: why does apt want to remove a bunch of 64 bit packages when I tell it to install llvm-dev:i386 ?
[11:43] <heller_> ravage: care to explain in short?
[11:44] <ravage> i dont know. it is defined that way in the package dependencies then
[11:44] <ravage> maybe there are problems when both are installed
[11:44] <ravage> heller_, https://launchpad.net/~ondrej/+archive/ubuntu/php
[11:45] <Venemo> ravage: is this a bug that I should report somewhere, or is this intended behaviour?
[11:45] <ravage> but PPAs are not supported here. so read the docs. there also like 1000 articles about this on google
[11:45] <heller_> any other ways?
[11:45] <heller_> can i just upgrade --without php or something? :)
[11:45] <ravage> Venemo, sounds very intentional to me
[11:45] <ravage> you can upgrade or remove php first. then add the PPA
[11:46] <ravage> and reinstall 7.3
[11:46] <Venemo> ravage: I'd like to compile both a 64 and 32 bit version of mesa, so I need both the 64 and 32 bit versions of the llvm devel package
[11:46] <ravage> Venemo, i can't provide any specific information about that.
[11:46] <Venemo> I can do this on other distros, but not sure how to ubuntu
[11:47] <Venemo> I guess I'll just stick to other distros, thank you
[11:50] <heller_> also what about the upgrading path. go from 16 to 20 or first to 18
[11:51] <ravage> heller_, please read previous answers
[11:51] <heller_> right. was kinda waiting for a second option :p
[11:52] <ravage> reinstallation
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:54] <luna> hey
[12:01] <heller_> heh. how can i install php7.3 without installing apache?
[12:06] <Deano59> no.
[12:07] <ravage> heller_, install php7.3-cli
[12:15] <heller_> thanks
[12:15] <heller_> how can i mark other packages to be automatically removed?
[12:19] <ravage> that is not how that works. thats why it is called automatic
[12:19] <ravage> when packages were not directly installed and have to other dependencies the will be removed
[12:19] <ravage> *no other
[12:20] <ravage> so they are marked for removal automatically when appropriate
[12:25] <Deano59> BluesKaj: no need to swear at me in a PM! :(
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> please leave personal comments out of the support chanel Deano59
[12:26] <Deano59> lotuspsychje: then stop him from greeting the channel. it's off-topic.
[12:26] <lotuspsychje> its not, we discussed that before
[12:26] <ravage> i would say it is polite
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Deano59, have some common courtesy to others ...saying howdy or hello is not offtopic ...stop being so anally pedantic
[12:26] <Deano59> it IS. I asked him nicely to stop and get swore at. :)
[12:27] <Deano59> BluesKaj: this is a support channel. no need to say hello, howdy etc.
[12:27] <BluesKaj> you PM'd mewithout permission
[12:27] <ravage> Deano59, your PMs are actually off topic
[12:28] <Deano59> I give up :)
[12:28] <BluesKaj> good
[12:28] <Deano59> lol
[12:30] <Deano59> why do you greet a support channel? then 10 minutes later leave, it's OFF-TOPIC. simple. stop it. /join #ubuntu-offtopic or something. again, support channels don't need anyone saying howdy unless they have a support question afterwards. god sake. :D
[12:31] <Deano59> you won't hear off me again, unless I need support. bye. :D
[12:31] <BluesKaj> do you have a support question Deano59? if not then you should stop complaining
[12:32] <Deano59> yeah, need support to stop you greeting a support channel when there's no need :) I'm not in the wrong here.
[12:32] <Maik> sigh.... is it that time again?
[12:32] <Deano59> sure, I'll leave then.
[12:32] <Maik> Deano59: complain at the ops instead
[12:33] <giaco> I'm dealing with an hard disk that reports wrong total sector number. It is a 4TB drive but even dd and ddrescue create 2TB images
[12:35] <jochensp> Hi, may systems have a libc6_2.31-0ubuntu9.3 whereas the latest version in focal-updates is 2.31-0ubuntu9.2, looks like the version was downgraded due to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1912652/comments/15. Is there no guarantee that version in focal-updates are only incremented?
[12:40] <broyles> question, is there a reason why internet access is needed to ad join in the installer?
[12:41] <ravage> broyles, that whole AD thing is still a little mysterious. it lacks a lot of good documentation so far
[12:42] <ravage> in general i dont see any reason why internet access would be required
[12:42] <broyles> ravage, indeed :( its one of the big features i am excited about in this version, we are looking at moving 60% of our desktops away from Windows, and that really got me excited! :) but noticed in the installer the option is grayed out unless the machine has internet access (by default all machines here are firewalled off for security)
[12:43] <ravage> i did not even find a way to join the AD outside the installer
[12:43] <ravage> i dont recommend using that in prodiction right now
[12:44] <broyles> ravage, looks like i go back to original plan, deployment via pxe, and a package to configure the skel files for new users :)
[12:46] <ravage> good plan. maybe we will see that feature production ready in the next LTS
[12:46] <broyles> yea indeedy!
[13:34] <repz> Is there a way to retrieve parition UUID through lsblk without rebooting after creating the partition (18.04) ?
[13:36] <leftyfb> repz: try partprobe
[13:40] <hggdh>  repz: or 'lsblk -o name,UUID,PTUUID,MOUNTPOINT' # output columns can be selected. See lsblk --help
[13:40] <hggdh> fset
[13:41] <repz> hggdh, thanks but in my casse uuid was `null`
[13:41] <repz> IT was only one host tho and don't having issue with others so its fine, thanks
[13:42] <leftyfb> hggdh: they just created the partition. It needs to be rescanned
[13:42] <hggdh> leftyfb: oh, indeed. Sorry
[15:09] <rangergord> How can I tell what the default sans-serif font is on Ubuntu? Like if an application just sets the font to "sans-serif", how can I tell what this ends up using.
[15:09] <rangergord> Ubuntu 20.04
[15:20] <rangergord> I got my answer in #linux. You can type "fc-match sans-serif" to get the font
[16:09] <StyXman> I'm trying to upgrade kubuntu groovy -> hirsute and I'm getting plasma-desktop (upgrade, 4:5.19.5-0ubuntu1 -> 4:5.21.4-0ubuntu1) depends on plasma-desktop-data [universe] (= 4:5.21.4-0ubuntu1)
[16:10] <StyXman> the versions don't match, and there is no new version of plasma-desktop-data
[16:10] <StyXman> any ideas what to do?
[16:11] <StyXman> then why apt finds it? plasma-desktop-data/hirsute,hirsute 4:5.21.4-0ubuntu1 all [upgradable from: 4:5.19.5-0ubuntu1]
[16:11] <tomreyn> StyXman: you're trying to upgrade it how?
[16:11] <StyXman> tomreyn: aptitude
[16:12] <tomreyn> you're doing a release upgrade using aptitude?
[16:12] <StyXman> yes
[16:12] <StyXman> not good?
[16:13] <tomreyn> release upgrades are done using do-release-upgrade or the QT equiovalent
[16:14] <tomreyn> the approach you're taking hasn't been supported in *ubuntu for the past 10 years or so.
[16:14] <StyXman> yeah, but I want the kind of control aptitude (a dselect before that) gives
[16:14] <StyXman> uuuugh
[16:15] <tomreyn> the debian-like upgrade approach might still work, for the most part, but... see above.
[16:16] <pavlos> giaco: can you paste "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdX" X being the device ?
[16:18] <jochensp> any comments on my question above (libc6 downgraded in focal-updates)?
[16:20] <tomreyn> jochensp: there are no automatic downgrades. i assume you're misinterpreting the statement you pointed to.
[16:20] <jochensp> tomreyn: well, my apt history says that .3 was in focal-updates and now .2 is in there, so some downgrade happened
[16:21] <tomreyn> jochensp: an earlier package version was restored on the archives, maybe the current version your system(s) already had was removed off archives. this does not make your systems downgrade to the earlier version, unless your systems are misconfigured.
[16:21] <jochensp> tomreyn: sure, I'm not talking about downgrades on my system but in the apt repository
[16:21] <ioria> jochensp, .3 is in -proposed
[16:21] <tomreyn> your systems will, however, upgrade to the newer version that is released next
[16:22] <jochensp> ioria: yeah, I saw that but .3 was in -updates before and now is not anymore meaning a downgrade in the repo which is a bad thing to do from my perspective
[16:22] <jochensp> I'm pretty sure we would not allow that in Debian, for example
[16:23] <tomreyn> again, it's not a "downgrade". a "downgrade" is actively replacing an installed package by an earlier version of the same package.
[16:23] <pavlos> giaco: use gdisk or parted to create a 4TB partition
[16:24] <jochensp> how would you call the switch from .3 to .2 in focal-updates, then?
[16:25] <jochensp> tomreyn: ^
[16:25] <tomreyn> i would call the fact that a file was removed off an archive server a removal, depublishing, or similar.
[16:25] <tomreyn> but this is not really a support question, let's move to #ubuntu-discuss
[16:28] <rfm> StyXman, I checked my hirsute system and plasma-desktop-data 4:5.21.4-0ubuntu1 is there.  Maybe a typo in the sources.list line, or you're using a mirror with a problem?  (still might not work, but maybe you'd get farther..)
[17:32] <giaco> pavlos: it was a faulty sata to usb controller
[17:32] <giaco> connecting same disk straight to sata reported correct disk size
[17:35] <kodiakf> Anyone have the size of the Ubuntu Focal x86_64 mirror handy?  I have a daily mirror of archive.ubuntu.org but for bionic and focal and and I can't suss out how much is Bionic and how much is focal
[17:37] <tomreyn> kodiakf: try asking in #ubuntu-mirrors
[17:37] <shoober420> hi frens
[17:37] <shoober420> im trying to compile sdl2 git master from scratch
[17:37] <shoober420> and need this patch
[17:37] <kodiakf> thanks didn't know that existed
[17:37] <shoober420> https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/media-libs/libsdl2/files/libsdl2-2.0.14-vulkan.patch
[17:38] <shoober420> this patch doesnt apply to sdl2 git master, any ideas why/
[17:39] <tomreyn> shoober420: you may want to ask this in a C programming or libsdl related channel
[17:40] <shoober420> ok ok
[17:58] <Maik> good evening
[19:21] <jkwnki> hi, how can i prevent creating ~/.motd_shown and ~/.sudo_as_admin_successful ?
[19:23] <[VMGuy23]> It just took >5min for ubuntu 21.04 CD to boot to installer
[19:24] <matsaman> [VMGuy23]: probably will only take that long for the install image, not a normally installed system
[19:24] <matsaman> so likely a non-issue altogether
[19:25] <matsaman> the live OS has to work with virtually any hardware & firmware, it's not going to be perfect in all cases
[19:25] <[VMGuy23]> The installer shouldn't be that slow. And also, it's a reinstall. I know how long ubuntu takes to boot.
[19:25] <matsaman> reinstall? Why what happened?
[19:25] <leftyfb> jwheare: you'll be able to configure the location of the sudo file in sudo version 1.9.6 which isn't available in ubuntu yet
[19:25] <sarnold> jkwnki: are you perhaps a zsh user? hunting around github for ~/.motd_shown suggests that's a zsh plugin or function
[19:25] <TJ-> [VMGuy23]: check the installer logs for clues... possible hardware issues
[19:26] <leftyfb> jwheare: https://github.com/sudo-project/sudo/issues/56
[19:26] <[VMGuy23]> TJ-: where and how and what do i loo for
[19:26] <[VMGuy23]> *look
[19:26] <TJ-> [VMGuy23]: did you start the installer using the "Try Ubuntu" option?
[19:26] <sarnold> jkwnki: I think sudoers(5) entry lecture_status_dir may let you move the location of those sudo files
[19:27] <[VMGuy23]> TJ-: It took 5min to get to that screen, and only about 20sec after clicking that to get to desktop
[19:27] <jkwnki> sarnold: no, i have ubuntu on wsl. its running bash
[19:28] <leftyfb> jwheare: I don't seem to have a .motd_shown on any of my machines. Now sure how that one gets ..... bah ... WSL
[19:28] <TJ-> [VMGuy23]: open a terminal and examine "journalctl -b -xe" for indications of faults
[19:28] <jkwnki> but thanks anyway. ill have a look at sudoers(5)
[19:28] <leftyfb> sarnold: not till version 1.9.6 as mentioned above
[19:28] <leftyfb> jkwnki: why do you care with WSL?
[19:28] <sarnold> leftyfb: hmm, really? I'm on 1.8.31-1ubuntu1.2 and it's in my manpage, and I thought it'd been there since forever
[19:29] <jkwnki> leftyfb: wanted to have a linux cdm in win
[19:29] <leftyfb> jkwnki: huh?
[19:29] <jkwnki> s/cdm/cmd
[19:29] <leftyfb> jkwnki: I mean, why do you care if those files get created?
[19:30] <[VMGuy23]> TJ-: "Apr 29 19:28:57 ubuntu kernel: Lockdown: archdetect: /dev/mem,kmem,port is restricted; see man kernel_lockdown.7" plenty of times
[19:30] <jkwnki> wanted to get rid of that mess :)
[19:31] <jkwnki> i dont see the purpose of these files inside ~
[19:32] <sarnold> jkwnki: I haven't got a clue what creates that motd_shown message, so it's hard to say what exactly is creating it and why, but it probably means you won't see the motd every single time you ssh in or create a new terminal or something like that
[19:33] <sarnold> jkwnki: the sudo one prevents you from getting the lecture every single time you run sudo
[19:37] <jkwnki> thank you sarnold
[19:51] <TJ-> sarnold: jkwnki  pam_motd.so
[19:55] <tzanolo> good evening
[19:55] <tzanolo> does could anyone help me:
[19:55] <sarnold> TJ-: that was my first thought but I couldn't find it in the sources, using either rg motd_shown on my unpacked archives of all our pam packages, nor on debian code searc
[19:56] <sarnold> TJ-: the cloests I found there was an environment variable
[19:56] <tzanolo> Why sudo do-release-upgrade
[19:56] <tzanolo>  doesnt show the new distro?
[19:56] <TJ-> sarnold: presumably an alternative due to WSL ?
[19:57] <TJ-> tzanolo: it's being held back for now (phased is the term)
[19:57] <tzanolo> ok thank you so much.
[19:57] <TJ-> tzanolo: there was a post about in it the ubuntu-devel mailing list
[19:58] <sarnold> tzafrir: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-April/041448.html
[20:00] <[VMGuy23]> After reinstalling Ubuntu, I have graphics drivers!
[20:00] <[VMGuy23]> Working!
[20:01] <matsaman> neato, gj
[20:02] <[VMGuy23]> And I have 21.04!
[20:03] <leftyfb> [VMGuy23]: make sure you upgrade in 9 months
[20:04] <[VMGuy23]> Yep, always do
[20:04] <[VMGuy23]> I wait patiently for the day in which the next version is released always
[20:31] <[VMGuy23]> quick, how do I do something with base64 (encrypt) and also decrypt, in my case a bash command
[20:31] <calamari> I have a PPA added that I'm not sure I still need. Is there a command (or series of commands) I can use to list all installed packages from a specific repository?
[20:32] <[VMGuy23]> Not sure
[20:32] <calamari> [VMGuy23]: man base64 should help
[20:32] <[VMGuy23]> Thanks
[20:33] <calamari> [VMGuy23]: np, another option: base64 --help
[20:34] <matsaman> [VMGuy23]: should work properly via stdin by default, but need -d for decode
[20:34] <matsaman> not actually really encryption
[20:35] <[VMGuy23]> Yeah I know, its more hiding a command
[20:35] <[VMGuy23]> With mpv installed, try this: "echo bXB2IGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnlvdXR1YmUuY29tL3dhdGNoP3Y9ZFF3NHc5V2dYY1EK | base64 -d | bash"
[20:36] <calamari> (found an answer to my question) https://askubuntu.com/questions/342434/find-what-packages-are-installed-from-a-repository
[20:37] <sarnold> calamari: oh sweet, thanks
[20:37] <sarnold> I couldn't find anything that looked close, hehe
[20:41] <[VMGuy23]> I'm on 21.04 and legacy titlebars are using Ambience theme
[20:42] <[VMGuy23]> Why
[21:13] <Aavar> I am used to using cinnamon, but I would like to try out wayland. What de should I install?
[21:14] <leftyfb> Aavar: does cinnamon not support wayland?
[21:15] <Aavar> leftyfb: Does it? I tought not... *checking*
[21:15] <leftyfb> Aavar: I was asking the question. I don't know
[21:16] <Aavar> leftyfb: It does not :(
[21:18] <Aavar> It should be noted that I am using a low end machine.
[21:18] <leftyfb> Aavar: maybe try Ubuntu Mate
[21:19] <Aavar> leftyfb: Mate does not support wayland...
[21:19] <Aavar> Maybe I should test Plasma...
[21:20] <leftyfb> Aavar: you know you can just disable wayland and go back to xorg right?
[21:21] <Aavar> leftyfb: I am using xorg (cinnamon), but I would like to try Wayland :)
[21:21] <leftyfb> Aavar: it sounds like maybe your hardware limitations that might not be a good option
[21:22] <Aavar> leftyfb: I was under the impression that wayland is more efficient than xorg (I am on Intel with Intel graphics)?
[21:55] <shoober420> hi frens
[21:56] <shoober420> if i want a program to use my system libs, instead of the bundled libs
[21:56] <shoober420> what is the best method, LD_PRELOAD?
[21:58] <ravage> LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[21:58] <ravage> Change the priority
[21:59] <shoober420> like how
[21:59] <shoober420> so like LD_LIBRARY_PATH=foo/foo/foo
[21:59] <shoober420> if theres multiple, would i use a ; and put a space right?
[21:59] <ravage> Looks what's it says now and add your lib path st first place. I think paths are separated by :
[22:00] <shoober420> oooh its a : ok
[22:00] <sarnold> shoober420: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rpath .. has a link near the bottom to https://packages.debian.org/stable/chrpath and https://github.com/NixOS/patchelf -- probably one of these can do it by modifying the binary rather than environment variables, assuming I understood your question correctly
[22:02] <ravage> If he just wants his on version of a library LD_LIBRARY_PATH is just fine. No need to preload or patch anything
[22:02] <shoober420> why is LD_LIBRARY_PATH prefered over LD_PRELOAD?
[22:02] <ravage> *own
[22:02] <ravage> Because you don't want to preload anything
[22:04] <ravage> With preload you usually hook into an existing binary
[22:05] <shoober420> ravage: i see i see
[22:05] <shoober420> its like sdl2 would become its own program in a way right?
[22:05] <shoober420> its like a bad hack
[22:06] <ravage> the preloaded lib replaces calls in the original lib
[22:07] <ravage> It is always kind of a hack yes
[22:10] <shoober420> ok i think i get it now
[22:26] <badfilms> I'm trying to update the firmware of the Intel AX200, since it has a known issue with bluetooth dropping, but fwupdate isn't an option since I cannot do EFI capsule updates, and if I copy firmware files from the linux-firmware git repo and run update-initramfs, I am still stuck on the old firmware. What do I need to do to get this to work?
[22:27] <badfilms> *new firmware for the AX200 was pushed to the git repo on the 26th of April which, according to Arch forums, fixes the issue I mention
[22:27] <ravage> Firmware is usual loaded from /lib/firmware
[22:28] <ravage> No need to put it the initramfs
[22:28] <badfilms> Copying to /lib/firmware has no effect (in particular, /lib/firmware/intel/ibt-20*)
[22:29] <ravage> If you overwrite the it should
[22:29] <ravage> There is no other file to use
[22:29] <jeremy31> badfilms: firmware files won't help the bluetooth
[22:29] <ravage> Also dmesg should show you which file was loaded during bootup
[22:29] <badfilms> dmesg | grep Bluetooth shows the build for week 7. the newest firmware is week 15
[22:30] <ravage> i dont really know your chipset there. my dmesg says
[22:30] <ravage> [   16.815475] Bluetooth: hci0: RTL: loading rtl_bt/rtl8761b_fw.bin
[22:30] <ravage> [   16.817701] Bluetooth: hci0: RTL: loading rtl_bt/rtl8761b_config.bin
[22:30] <ravage> as an example
[22:31] <badfilms> [   20.536227] Bluetooth: hci0: Firmware revision 0.0 build 121 week 7 2021[   20.785456] Bluetooth: hci0: MSFT filter_enable is already on
[22:32] <ravage> if it does not use any external firmware you may just have to update it in your kernel
[22:32] <badfilms> modinfo btintel shows ibt-11* and ibt-12* firmware files, but so i am wondering if it is compiled into kernel
[22:33] <jeremy31> badfilms: you would have to look at upstream linux-firmware to see if there are any updates
[22:33] <ravage> you can try to get the driver from intel
[22:33] <badfilms> jeremy31: I currently have upstream linux-firmware. What specific updates are you referencing?
[22:34] <jeremy31> badfilms: if you already cloned the upstream, I don't think Intel offers anything for linux bluetooth on their website
[22:35] <ravage> they do. but it always ends up in the upstream kernel
[22:35] <ravage> they do offer the releases as a seperate download and have a git repo
[22:35] <jeremy31> ravage: the firmware is not part of the kernel
[22:36] <ravage> im pretty sure it is free for that chipset
[22:36] <badfilms> I am running 5.12.0+ that was built as recently as today, but I have all the bt* drivers set as modules... so perhaps I just need to compile the kernel without any bt modules?
[22:37] <jeremy31> badfilms: have your tried changing the bt_coex parameter of the iwlwifi module?
[22:37] <badfilms> jeremy31: I have not
[22:38] <jeremy31> badfilms: this will disconnect wifi but try> sudo modprobe -r iwlwifi && sleep 5 && sudo modprobe iwlwifi bt_coex_active=N
[22:38] <ravage> oh ok. it is not free. but the latest firmware they have is from 2019
[22:38] <ravage> so i wonder if the firmware is really your problem
[22:39] <jeremy31> A lot of 2.4GHz wifi access points will cause issues with bluetooth
[22:40] <badfilms> jeremy31: What am I looking for after that?
[22:40] <jeremy31> badfilms: see if bluetooth works better after
[22:40] <ravage> or if you can disable 2.4ghz wifi
[22:41] <ravage> its like IPv4. legacy but sometimes still needed
[22:41] <badfilms> Oh I see. It will take some time for me to check. The exact problem is that bluetooth audio cuts out for ~5-10 seconds, disconnects, and reconnects immediately.
[22:42] <badfilms> But it doesn't have obvious intervals. Sometimes it won't happen for an hour. Other times it will hapen multiple times an hour.
[22:43] <jeremy31> badfilms: It might be related to wifi power management too
[22:44] <badfilms> This problem seems to be isolated to bluetooth audio--at least that I can see. The probably began when my distribution did an update to the linux-firmware package on April 6th, which was I believe the firmware released to upstream in mid February
[22:45] <badfilms> FWIW, I have not looked into the possibility of it being related to WIFI because I am on a desktop which is wired connected, though WIFI is only disabled at the OS level.
[22:48] <ravage> every active device at 2.4ghz can cause trouble. does not have to be your laptop
[22:48] <ravage> or desktop
[22:48] <badfilms> Just to clarify, do you mean that every device near me, regardless of whether or not it is connected to my system, can cause issues?
[22:48] <ravage> even just operating your access point
[22:49] <ravage> yes
[22:49] <ravage> they just use very similar frequencies
[22:50] <ravage> some devices or APs handle that coexistence better than others
[22:51] <ravage> 5ghz has its own problems like radar or PowerLAN
[22:52] <ravage> more radar i think. powerlan has problems with your DSL signal sometimes
[22:52] <badfilms> The only real discussion I have found on this particular issue is on the Arch forums, but people seem to be reporting that downgrading firmware or, more recently, upgrading to the new firmware pushed to upstream on the 26th fixes the issue
[22:52] <badfilms> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=263040
[22:56] <badfilms> which is why I have been trying that approach. This system is relatively new (built in November 2020) but I haven't had any issues until the distro upgrade of linux-firmware on April 6th. I guess I could attempt a downgrade via apt, but I'd like to be able to fix this, or similar problems, in the future by using the git upstream. I just don't know why I can't get it to load the firmware I am
[22:56] <badfilms> copying into /lib/firmware
[23:05] <ravage> are you sure you replace the right files?
[23:06] <ravage> maybe just rename them. after a reboot your BT should fail. then you know it tries to load your files
[23:07] <badfilms> according to linux-firmware.git, the files updated regarding the AX200 were ibt-20*.sfi. however, I just realized that I have not done a cold boot since copying the entire contents of the upstream linux-firmware, via ./copy-firmware.sh /lib/firmware, so I am going to do that and cross my fingers.
[23:07] <ravage> it says in that post that a normal reboot is not enough
[23:08] <badfilms> Yep. I'm hoping that is my mistake. I did cold boots after copying *just* the ibt-20* files, but I haven't done one since I did a complete copy