[02:06] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[02:56] <wyoung> lotuspsychje: Afternoon!!!
[02:59] <lotuspsychje> ok ok no need to shout lol
[03:03] <wyoung> I like this channel, it's all about salutations from different time zones :)
[06:19] <lordievader> Good morning
[06:28] <ducasse> good morning
[13:05] <lotuspsychje> !ping | kostkon_
[13:06] <Walex> wyoung: UGT time zone usually
[13:31] <wyoung> Walex: Right, I don't know what that timezone is, I only deal with hours and minutes plus or minus UTC.
[13:39] <Maik> kostkon__: fix your connection please
[13:52] <Walex> wyoung: it is a recent IRC convention, "Universal Greeting Time" http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
[16:17] <leftyfb> tomreyn: what is a:c4pt00 ?
[16:17] <tomreyn> leftyfb: a typo
[16:18] <leftyfb> ok, what is @a:c4pt00 then? :)
[16:18] <leftyfb> oh, nm
[16:18] <leftyfb> I don't follow what the ban is for
[16:19] <TJ-> spam on multiple channels
[16:19] <tomreyn> https://freenode.net/kb/answer/extbans
[16:20] <leftyfb> interesting. Never seen that. Thanks
[16:20] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[17:14] <TomyWork> picking a name for 22.04 is gonna be a tough one. It's an LTS, so the name has to signify stability (at least as much as dapper, hardy, lucid, precise, trusty, xenial, bionic and focal) adjectives with j, however, are all pretty unstable
[17:14] <TJ-> TomyWork: not really; It'll be Jilted Jallopy
[17:15] <TomyWork> oh it's already settled?
[17:16] <leftyfb> pretty sure TJ is joking. I don't think they pick the name 2 releases ahead
[17:16] <TJ-> :D
[17:16] <daftykins> did bionic beaver draw a mental picture of stability to you, or that of trees being chewed down and dams being built at a rapid pace? :)
[17:16] <lotuspsychje> we already had !jaunty once :p
[17:16] <TJ-> daftykins: I'd hate to tell you what BB actually made me think of!
[17:16] <TomyWork> jaunty wasnt an LTS though
[17:17] <daftykins> TJ-: oh i'm keeping my comments family friendly too xD
[17:17] <daftykins> TJ-: how's things, keeping out of trouble? :D
[17:17] <TomyWork> well bionic is kind of a high tech term at least
[17:17] <TomyWork> not like "groovy"
[17:17] <TJ-> daftykins: trying to get into trouble faster! (Starlink at last!!)
[17:18] <daftykins> TJ-: ooh is it all up and running? how does it fare?
[17:19] <TomyWork> i found one: judicious
[17:20] <TJ-> daftykins: it varies wildy as expected since I'm on the upper northern edge of coverage currently until more satellites are on station, but 20-30x Rx and 20-30x Tx. Earlier was getting 280Mbps Rx, 30Mbps Tx
[17:20] <daftykins> :D can't complain!
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> TomyWork: judicious jaguar
[17:20] <TJ-> latency is all over currently, from 30-100ms depending on target
[17:20] <TJ-> Jilted JellyFish!
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> sounds good
[17:21] <lotuspsychje> we had seafood before :p
[17:21] <TomyWork> it's probably gonna be something exotic. i mean 4 of the last 5 were pangolin, tahr, xerus and fossa
[17:22] <TJ-> daftykins: biggest issue is the provided router/AP isn't doing IPv6 and IPv4 is going through CGNAT. I'm told though, that if using one's own router, some customers are getting public IPv6 prefixes so going to experiment with that over the weekend
[17:22] <lotuspsychje> jumpy jerboa
[17:22] <daftykins> TJ-: mmm got that problem with the 5G trial i have my client on above town, both the wild variability and the inability to open ports due to CGNAT
[17:22] <TomyWork> jumping jackflash
[17:24] <TomyWork> I got it: Juducious Jabiru
[17:24] <TomyWork> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Jabiru_Mato_Grosso_Pantanal_Brazil-2.jpg look at it, that bird just looks like it's deliberating its every move
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> Jaleous Jabiru
[17:25] <TJ-> daftykins: I will likely push everything over wireguard to the datacentre for now and route some of the IPv6 prefixes through that
[17:25] <TomyWork> lotuspsychje, jealous is gonna be the trailing mint release
[17:26] <TJ-> daftykins: the bit I like is that Elon has said they expect to enable full roaming use of it by end of summer so it could be taken anywhere, fixed to a vehicle, etc.
[17:26] <daftykins> :)
[17:27]  * TJ- straps the dish to the dingy and sails down the river
[17:27] <daftykins> TJ-: we just got a new property for my main client right beside a cabinet btw, still on VDSL2 locally and the top tier they sell is 100/20 - but i've never seen such a good line before, line sync is 114/55
[17:28] <daftykins> wish i could use more of that 55 xD
[17:30] <TomyWork> so Judicious Jabiru is my bet let's see what happens :)
[17:31] <lotuspsychje> around october TomyWork
[17:31] <TomyWork> daftykins, here in germany, they're cranking up VDSL to 250
[17:32] <daftykins> yeah probably G.fast
[17:33] <daftykins> it's way too sensitive though, assuming i'm correct... if someone next door to you signs up in the same cabinet, you can lose 10% or more instantly so i've read
[17:33] <daftykins> a friend lives in Exeter (south-west England), G.fast was offered for a bit but now full FTTP is there instead :D we have him on 500/70
[17:33] <TomyWork> it's because our ex-monopolist painted themselves into a corner and took the government's fiber money to develop vectored DSL instead
[17:34] <daftykins> ah i see
[17:34] <ogra> TomyWork, thats actually going back to the 70s/80s ...
[17:34] <TomyWork> yeah, it's a lot of paint
[17:35] <TomyWork> it involves the kirch empire, no less
[17:35] <TomyWork> iirc
[17:36] <TomyWork> https://www.telekom.de/produktinformationsblatt/magentazuhause-xl.pdf here's their product sheet
[17:36] <ogra> no, that was based on postminister schwarz-schilling ... and his connection to kabelmetall
[17:37] <ogra> (he made a lot of private by pulling in a copper wire company he had shares in ...)
[17:38] <ogra> *private money
[17:38] <ogra> there was no kirch empire yet IIRC
[17:39] <TomyWork> https://www.ksta.de/auch-ex-postminister-schwarz-schilling-hatte-vertrag-mit-kirch-14123566?cb=1619804298026 there's some other connection between schwarz-schilling and kirch for what it's worth
[17:39] <ogra> oh !
[17:40] <tomreyn> i have a feeling you two should discuss this in #ubuntu-de-offtopic ;-)
[17:40] <ogra> haha, yeah ...
[17:41] <ogra> (sorry for derailing)
[17:41] <TomyWork> just this one thing, to show where I got that info: https://www.stuttgarter-nachrichten.de/inhalt.zdf-magazin-royale-jan-boehmermann-hasst-kupferkabel.3dff7b77-e6fa-40e5-a753-2e501c33dafc.html
[17:41] <daftykins> Aber es ist sehr interessant, tomreyn (:
[17:41] <tomreyn> Ja, es ist! Ist es nicht?
[17:41] <ogra> heh
[17:41] <daftykins> hope i don't destroy your language with my school time Deutsch
[17:42] <tomreyn> you did very well, i pretended to not do very well.
[17:42] <TomyWork> daftykins, i thought you were german :)
[17:43] <daftykins> hahaha thanks
[17:43]  * ogra agrees
[17:43] <tomreyn> daftykins: that's an insult, didn't you notice? ;-)
[17:43] <ogra> shush !
[17:43] <TomyWork> I didn't say they were german internet
[17:44] <daftykins> xD
[17:44] <daftykins> i've just been up at a clients today where our telco helpfully allowed them to cancel 2 of their 3 house phone numbers... only, they also killed their broadband service in the process
[17:44] <daftykins> now it's a 3 day holiday weekend and nothing has been corrected!
[17:45] <tomreyn> well, it's a weekend! god also rested on repairig vdsl lines on the weekend, you know
[17:46] <ogra> thats why he invented LTE to not get calls on sundays ...
[17:46] <daftykins> :D
[18:02] <TomyWork> what do you mean "helpfully"? are those 3 numbers not free with the plan?
[18:03] <TomyWork> over here, you get 3 free numbers usually. if the migration of your old numbers is delayed, you get 3 new numbers and then usually get to keep those when the old ones get migrated
[18:04] <daftykins> it's roughly £150/yr per standard phone line rental delivered via copper pair
[18:04] <tomreyn> TomyWork: i think you're mixing up what's supposed to happen and what's really happening there.
[18:05] <daftykins> client didn't realise he had more active and had been paying for years for services he didn't use
[18:05] <TomyWork> oh, numbers AND the associated lines, got it
[18:06] <TomyWork> cause technically, you dont really need a 2nd line to get a 2nd number
[18:07] <TomyWork> but gah, why does POTS still exist?
[18:08] <TomyWork> i've had voip for years now and never had a problem. a common criticism is that phone is usually gone when the internet is gone, but that was the case with POTS before, so that's not new
[18:08] <TJ-> Alarm / emergency call circuits
[18:08] <TomyWork> i thought those used ISDN
[18:09] <TomyWork> alarm, at least
[18:10] <TomyWork> 12.5 quid a month isn't exactly cheap either for a POTS line
[18:14] <tomreyn> isdn, despite of what the i stands for, is primarily a german thing
[18:17] <TomyWork> you mean "integrated"?
[18:21] <TomyWork> anyway, I'm gonna call it a day, see ya
[18:23] <tomreyn> TomyWork: oh, whoops, though it was international.
[18:23] <tomreyn> well, it desintegrated ;)
[18:23] <TomyWork> :D
[19:03] <TJ-> ISDN was wonderful - I recall having bonded circuits with 128kbps full-duplex in the 1990s :)
[19:05] <tomreyn> it just lacked an upgrade path
[19:33] <TJ-> more pairs!
[19:35] <TJ-> That was BRI, but with a PRI with E1 you could get 2Mbps (gasp!)
[19:35] <sarnold> that's more than most universities!
[19:36] <TJ-> one way to discourage Facebook usage :D
[20:36] <[VMGuy23]> Why is vokoscreenNG 150MB? Thats big for a screenrecorder
[20:39] <sarnold> maybe they bundled their dependencies?
[20:45] <[VMGuy23]> yeah it is a snap
[20:48] <daftykins> you know that's what they do, eh? so they'll be larger
[20:48] <[VMGuy23]> yeah
[20:48] <[VMGuy23]> On anot chat someone mentioned downloadmoreram.com
[20:48] <[VMGuy23]> *another
[20:49] <daftykins> the computer service or the livestock service?
[20:53] <sarnold> hahaha
[21:11] <[VMGuy23]> try it and see