[00:02] <badfilms> jeremy31: I'm nearly 1.5hrs into disabling bt_coex and I still haven't had a drop. So while I can't be conclusive yet, I do have some targeted exploration to do over the next couple day
[00:02] <badfilms> s/day/days
[00:03] <shoober420> HALP MEH
[00:06] <shoober420> ld_library_path= will break csgo from launching
[00:07] <shoober420> i dont know if i should put /usr/lib32 or /usr/lib/libSDL-2.0.so.0
[00:07] <shoober420> /usr/lib32/libSDL-2.0.so.0*
[01:14] <UndrWater> new to ubuntu. i'm trying to print to an epson artisan printer, but the 1430 driver is not listed in cups. having a hard time figuring out how to find  out which package to install....any ideas or good search terms?
[01:23] <jpmh> I have device conneted to a USB port, lsusb shows it as there, and as Bus 001 Device 049: ID 0525:a4a2 Netchip Technology, Inc. Linux-USB Ethernet/RNDIS Gadget, ip a shows it as connected and up - there is an sshd server on that device, how do I connect to it
[01:25] <tonyt> ssh using local host
[01:28] <jpmh> tonyt: if that was meant for me, I tried ssh themachinename.local and get "can't resolve hostname"  _ know I have the name rightsice if I let the conneted evice connect to the internet, THEN I can connect to it that way
[01:29] <tonyt> if localhost doesnt work try the assigned internal ip
[01:29] <tonyt> *the=then
[01:29] <jpmh> tonyt: by localhost do you mean the .local that I am adding?
[01:30] <jpmh> to me localhost is 127.0.0.1
[01:30] <tonyt> ya
[01:31] <jpmh> tonyt: the device is not even pingable - it is 192.168.1.206 - or so IT thinks
[01:32] <jpmh> tonyt: so connectng by ip does not work
[01:36] <rfm> jpmh, well, if connecting by ip doesn't work, there's no point it trying to figure out why .local name resolution isn't working.  is this a multi-homed host (more than one network interface connected?)
[01:38] <jpmh> rfm: do you mean the device that I am having toruble connecting to?  if so,yes, he has a wlan and the dhcp file places that on 192.168.1.205 and usb0 on 192.168.1.206
[01:38] <jpmh> except clearly it does not
[01:40] <jpmh> the device clearly has the two interfaces since the wifi connection works find and my laptop even sees the non-wifi connection as a gadget
[01:43] <leftyfb> jpmh: does the ip's the device gives itself match the same type of ip's on your local network? (192.168.1.x)
[01:44] <jpmh> leftyfb: yes - everything is 192.168.1.x - the machne that I am on is .198, and the wifi on that device is 205 and the usb is supposed to be 206 - in fact, that machine can ping to itself on 206
[01:44] <leftyfb> jpmh: that is why you can't connect
[01:45] <leftyfb> jpmh: you can't have 2 separate networks sharing the same subnet
[01:45] <leftyfb> jpmh: reconfigure the device to handle a different ip range. Like 192.168.0.x or 10.0.0.x
[01:45] <jpmh> leftyfb: ty - that's what I was missing
[01:46] <jpmh> leftyfb: being called, so can't test not, but I'm sure that is iit - ty
[02:11] <jayjo> is there a tool to get a filesystem diff periodically? Would using a journaling filesystem help in that regard? I'm hoping to just get a text output of all changed files since the last run, and then hopefully run it every 24hr
[02:12] <matsaman> jayjo: to what end?
[02:13] <jayjo> I would like to email it to myself to monitor a server
[02:14] <matsaman> monitor it for what reason though...
[02:14] <matsaman> anyway
[02:14] <matsaman> there are packages just for this purpose, like AIDE
[02:14] <matsaman> if you wanted to write your own simplistic one
[02:15] <matsaman> depending on the number of files and FS, it might be easy enough to just 'find /some/path | sort | tee files."$(date +%Y%m%d)"
[02:16] <sarnold> jayjo: if you've got zfs set up, it's pretty easy http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Jn3yBXR85Q/
[02:16] <matsaman> and then diff -s <(ls -1rt files.* | tail -2 | head -1) <(ls -1rt files.* | tail -1)
[02:18] <shoober420> why would i would want to build cairo with gles2 support only and no opengl?
[02:19] <matsaman> most likely you wouldn't
[02:19] <sarnold> that sounds like a phone thing
[02:19] <matsaman> but it's for "embedded" systems, yeah
[02:19] <shoober420> hmm
[02:19] <matsaman> so it's a lesser implementation
[02:19] <shoober420> but on arch i saw opengl is disabled
[02:19] <matsaman> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenGL_ES
[02:19] <shoober420> is opengl idsbaled on ubuntu for cairo?
[02:20] <jayjo> Also, sometimes when installing software with make, I'd like to be able to compare entire fs diffs to understand what went where. I've been using docker instead and have been getting started with lxc to keep things isolated, and considered that safer. Is there a better way to approach that?
[02:20] <jayjo> IDS is definitely on my mind, I'm looking into AIDE more
[02:20] <matsaman> shoober420: maybe a wayland thing
[02:21] <matsaman> shoober420: that is
[02:21] <matsaman> a way to use wayland without pulling in X
[02:21] <matsaman> or more specifically, to use weston
[02:21] <shoober420> hmm, thats a possibility
[02:21] <matsaman> but, y'know, wayland
[02:21] <matsaman> wouldn't surprise me if Arch is farther ahead on wayland adoption than Ubuntu
[02:22]  * matsaman shrugs
[02:22] <shoober420> this is a sway/wayland/radeon setup
[02:22] <shoober420> but i would prefer opengl over opengles
[02:22] <shoober420> im using steam through xwayland since steam still depends on gtk2
[02:24] <matsaman> if you have X stuff already, then probably using opengl instead will not cause any additional deps
[02:24] <shoober420> wayland can do native opengl, but not when the program uses gtk2
[02:25] <matsaman> you could probably use i3 and not be such an early wayland adopter, too
[02:25] <matsaman> as boring as that'd be
[02:25] <shoober420> i use bspwm on x11
[02:26] <shoober420> i still x11 with my nvidia machine
[02:26] <shoober420> radeon and sway/radeon
[02:26] <shoober420> i actually bought two cheap dell precision 3620 towers for cheap and put a geforce 1660 super in one and radeon 5500 xt in aother
[02:27] <leftyfb> shoober420: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[02:27] <shoober420> ok fine i use gentoo
[02:27] <leftyfb> shoober420: please stay on topic then. This is an Ubuntu support channel
[02:28] <leftyfb> shoober420: feel free to chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:29] <shoober420> ok
[06:29]  * enyc meows
[06:30] <matsaman> found the cat
[06:33] <luna> mew
[06:42] <nshire> hi, my sound card seems to get put to sleep when not used for a while in ubuntu. any way to prevent this?
[06:43] <nshire> it seems that it is woken up when being put back to use and it screeches during the wakeup
[06:48] <matsaman> what sorta card?
[06:48] <matsaman> what sorta sound card?
[06:50] <nshire> generic builtin one on a msi motherboard
[06:50] <nshire> snd_hda_codec_realtek hdaudioC1D0?
[06:55] <nshire> I tried this, seems to work https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/7vz8k6/since_recent_update_linux_puts_sound_to_sleep_on/dtylrm9?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
[06:55] <nshire> I don't know how to preserve it between updates though
[06:56] <nshire> **between reboots
[07:05] <matsaman> nshire: this is a laptop?
[07:05] <nshire> no, desktop
[07:06] <matsaman> nshire: do you have tlp installed? dpkg -l | grep -i tlp
[07:07] <nshire> it appears not
[07:09] <matsaman> nshire: might try this first: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/565886/how-to-disable-the-power-saving-for-snd-hda-codec-realtek
[07:09] <matsaman> and then look at https://forum.manjaro.org/t/unable-to-disable-snd-hda-intel-power-save-through-modprobe/31568/5
[07:10] <matsaman> if you wanted to just take your echo command and use that
[07:10] <matsaman> look at https://askubuntu.com/questions/919054/how-do-i-run-a-single-command-at-startup-using-systemd
[07:10] <matsaman> or you could simply use cron
[07:19] <nshire> matsaman: thank you, I commented load-module module-suspend-on-idle. rebooting to check if it worked.
[07:22] <Guest77328> seems to have worked
[07:30] <trevarj> anyone around? shot in the dark question here:
[07:31] <luna> yeah
[07:33] <trevarj> have 2 machines (ubuntu laptop on wifi) and a desktop on a local net. every day i need to ssh into my laptop, but always get a bad response "Destination not found"...so, what it comes down to (after some troubleshooting and not being able to reproduce the issue until the next day) i just ping the laptop and wait for a good response, then ssh
[07:34] <trevarj> some details: the laptop has a net connection (interface is up and connected), i am not logging in to X11/gnome on the laptop (thought that it mattered but didn't seem to make a difference)
[07:35] <trevarj> found this, which seems like it could be related, but i am on 20.04: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1095566/unable-to-ping-18-04-desktop-unless-this-machine-first-pings-the-client-when-us
[07:39] <trevarj> i turn the laptop off every night, then when i start it in the morning the same issue happens. if i reboot the laptop now and ping/ssh it all works fine
[07:53] <XATRIX> Hi, how can i disable KDE autostart after the system boot ?
[07:53] <XATRIX> I'd like to try another WM
[08:14] <overclucker> XATRIX: It should be SDDM display manager I think? Maybe check your /etc/sddm.conf for autologin and comment it out.
[08:15] <XATRIX> overclucker: thanks
[08:17] <overclucker> XATRIX: no problem :)
[09:13] <superschnell> Hi. It seems that the legacy images for pxe have been removed, but software such as foreman relies on them being available. Now, you get redirected to some fancy HTML page if you go there. What to do?
[09:15] <mgedmin> afaiu if you want to keep using old ubuntu releases, the pxe images remain where they always were, is that not correct?
[09:15] <mgedmin> if you want new ubuntu releases, you're supposed to switch to -live-server .iso images, they support PXE booting
[09:15] <mgedmin> https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/install/netboot-amd64
[09:16] <superschnell> Yeah, I know, but they are _very_ bloated and big, what happened to efficiently small netboot setups?
[09:17] <mgedmin> sadness happened
[09:17] <superschnell> :'|
[09:18] <mgedmin> the best bit is how cloud-init also fetches the netboot image two additional times because it misinterprets the url parameter on the kernel command line
[09:19] <superschnell> So that's 3GB?
[09:19] <cipherboy> superschnell: mgedmin: Having set this up recently, I ended up going with a local http server and mirroring the contents locally. Goes faster :)
[09:19] <mgedmin> 3*1.2 GB, but there's a workaround for the cloud-init thing
[09:19] <mgedmin> I can't find the thread on https://discourse.ubuntu.com
[09:20] <superschnell> I can't believe this is happening :(
[09:20] <superschnell> Oh well
[09:20] <cipherboy> superschnell: Also, to save you some time, if you do uefi+secure boot PXE boot, make sure you grab the focal-updates grub shim, not the focal one. Has a bug on some ethernet adapters.
[09:21] <mgedmin> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/please-test-autoinstalls-for-20-04/15250/292, but there was also a separate thread on that subtopic
[09:21] <superschnell> Thanks
[09:21] <mgedmin> ah, here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-20-04-installer-downloads-iso-more-than-once/21697/3
[09:22] <mgedmin> and I linked to an irrelevant message in the middle of the thread because I don't know how to use discourse
[09:22] <superschnell> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-20-04-installer-downloads-iso-more-than-once/21697
[09:37] <cluelessperson> I'm trying to use a nfc reader/writer with python, but it appears it's being used by another service in ubuntu
[09:37] <cluelessperson> pcscd which I think is used for another smart card elsewhere
[09:37] <cluelessperson> how can I disable it taking over this usb device?
[09:38] <ogra> why dont you talk to pcscd instead ?
[09:39] <cluelessperson> oh hrm, I killed it and it's not effecting my usage at the moment
[09:39] <cluelessperson> I probably was testing with it earlier.
[09:39] <cluelessperson> ogra, it's more of a general thing
[09:40] <cluelessperson> ah, I was experimenting with firefox / chrome smartcard usage
[09:42] <ogra> cluelessperson, well, do you want to write your own pcscd in python ? that'd be quite some work (pcscd interfaces with all the low level drivers) .... i'd simply use python3-pyscard to talk to the daemon to not having to bother with low level drivers
[09:43] <cluelessperson> ogra, I'm working on writing nfc to a specific chip, I only installed that for smartcard usage testing
[09:44] <ogra> well, your choice 🙂
[09:53] <TomyWork> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1923670 yay, the fix for this is in the hwe-5.4 and hwe-5.4-prep branches for bionic now. now when's the next kernel release?
[10:55] <gnask> gnask@gnaskBuntu:~/Hämtningar$ sqlcmd -S localhost -U SA -P 'passwordhere'
[10:55] <gnask> Sqlcmd: Error: Microsoft ODBC Driver 17 for SQL Server : Can't open lib '/opt/microsoft/msodbcsql17/lib64/libmsodbcsql-17.7.so.2.1' : file not found.
[10:55] <gnask> gnask@gnaskBuntu:~/Hämtningar$ cd /opt/microsoft/msodbcsql17/lib64/
[10:55] <gnask> gnask@gnaskBuntu:/opt/microsoft/msodbcsql17/lib64$ ls
[10:55] <gnask> libmsodbcsql-17.7.so.2.1
[10:55] <gnask> Can anyone help me with this? The file is clearly there but i still get an error, Ubuntu 20.04
[11:07] <superschnell> gnask: permissions issue or apparmor issue looks like
[11:07] <superschnell> also, what does tat /opt/microsoft/msodbcsql17/lib64/libmsodbcsql-17.7.so.2.1 say?
[11:08] <superschnell> correction: what does stat /opt/microsoft/msodbcsql17/lib64/libmsodbcsql-17.7.so.2.1 say?
[11:27] <drag0nius> how can i use gnome keyring in remote ssh sessions?
[11:27] <gnask> superschnell, Fil: /opt/microsoft/msodbcsql17/lib64/libmsodbcsql-17.7.so.2.1
[11:27] <gnask>   Storlek: 2063728   	Block: 4032       IO-block: 4096   normal fil
[11:27] <gnask> Enhet: 805h/2053d	Inode: 1330464     Länkar:1
[11:27] <gnask> Åtkomst: (0755/-rwxr-xr-x)  Uid: (    0/    root)  Gid: (    0/    root)
[11:27] <gnask> Åtkomst: 2021-04-29 20:41:28.727465548 +0200
[11:27] <gnask> Modifiering: 2021-03-04 20:23:56.000000000 +0100
[11:27] <gnask>     Ändring: 2021-04-29 20:40:30.623162698 +0200
[11:27] <gnask>        Född: -
[11:28] <drag0nius> i got it to work through x2go, but i cannot get it to work in SSH
[11:31] <mgedmin> drag0nius: ssh -A remotehost
[11:31] <metbsd> so what release will include gnome40
[11:31] <mgedmin> but only for the part of gnome-keyring that acts as an ssh-agent
[11:31] <mgedmin> .... actually now that I think about it, does gnome-keyring still act as an ssh-agent?  wasn't that part disabled a while ago?
[11:31] <drag0nius> i need it to work with git credentials over ssh
[11:32] <drag0nius> reading remote matchine's keyring
[11:32] <mgedmin> I generally use ssh keys as git credentials, for which ssh -A works great
[11:33] <mgedmin> for other kinds of credentials, hmm, if you use ssh -X to forward the X11 session, would that forward dbus too?  maybe not
[11:39] <legreffier> (you _really_ should warn about security issue when recommending ssh -A)
[11:40] <legreffier> (this option expose your private key to privileged users on "rebound" host)
[11:46] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[11:46] <luna> hey
[11:51] <mgedmin> -A doesn't expose the key itself, but lets root on the remote host use your private keys while your session is active
[11:51] <mgedmin> and yeah, I should've mentioned the security implications
[11:56] <isomari> greetings, how can I list only the physical drives in server? no partitions and no logical vloumes. Just physical drives attached mounted and not mounted.
[12:02] <bindi> isomari: what are you trying to accomplish?
[12:03] <bindi> you can look at 'ls /dev/disk/by-id/ | grep -v part' for example
[12:05] <bindi> or 'lsblk -a -d'
[12:13] <pizzaiolo> sorry if this is a bit off topic but is there a way to see all the ubuntu irc bot commands?
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> !brain | pizzaiolo
[12:14] <pizzaiolo> ty!
[12:38] <XATRIX> Hi, can you advice ? I'd like to make a system for my kiosk. Is it possible to say kubuntu not to load, any displaymanager? But only od startx with openbox/fluxbox ?
[12:39] <XATRIX> I suppose it to run to "init 3" and then do some kind of a script with trigger 'startx openbox' or something thislike
[12:50] <zen_coder> I want to insert the date into a file: I do it like this: date "+%Y-%m-%d %T" > /tmp/my-faketime.rc
[12:51] <zen_coder> but I need to add a "@" at the beginning of the file: "@2021-04-30 12:46:58"
[12:51] <zen_coder> and Idea how to solve this in a simple cmd?
[12:51] <zen_coder> date "@+%Y-%m-%d %T" > /tmp/my-faketime.rc  doesnt work
[12:54] <katareeena> I'm trying to follow this https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/install-and-configure-wordpress#4-configure-database
[12:54] <katareeena> But I get ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'IDENTIFIED BY ""' at line 4
[12:55] <robertparkerx> what line are you trying to run
[12:55] <robertparkerx> what part of the process
[12:55] <katareeena> mysql> GRANT SELECT,INSERT,UPDATE,DELETE,CREATE,DROP,ALTER
[12:55] <katareeena>     -> ON wordpress.*
[12:55] <katareeena>     -> TO wordpress@localhost
[12:55] <katareeena>     -> IDENTIFIED BY '<your-password>';
[12:55] <katareeena> Query OK, 1 row affected (0,00 sec)
[12:56] <katareeena> I made identified by into
[12:56] <katareeena> mysql> GRANT SELECT,INSERT,UPDATE,DELETE,CREATE,DROP,ALTER
[12:56] <katareeena>     -> ON wordpress.*
[12:56] <katareeena>     -> TO wordpress@localhost
[12:56] <katareeena>     -> IDENTIFIED BY '<your-password>';
[12:56] <katareeena> Query OK, 1 row affected (0,00 sec)
[12:56] <katareeena> > IDENTIFIED BY "";
[12:56] <katareeena> I mean
[12:59] <robertparkerx> You can also do - create user 'new_user'@'localhost' identified by 'new_password';
[12:59] <robertparkerx> Then - grant all on my_db.* TO 'new_user'@'localhost';
[13:06] <katareeena> thank you robertparkerx
[13:11] <BluesKaj> !paste | katareeena
[13:11] <katareeena> sorry I double pasted by mistake
[13:13] <BluesKaj> katareeena, usually anything over 3 lines is too much, that used to be the rule iirc
[13:17] <pavlos> zen_coder: echo -n "@" > /tmp/fake; date "+%Y" >> /tmp/fake
[13:24] <pavlos> zen_coder: you could also use sed to insert @ as first char, sed 's/^/@/' /tmp/fake
[14:01] <tmus> Hi guys. On my new AMD laptop (amdgpu) I'm experiencing what some is calling "false hotplug events" on HDMI. When my external display goes to sleep, it wakes up after a second or two. I have found many posts on this issue from a couple of years ago, but nothing recent. Does anybody know a good way around it?
[14:02] <rjwiii> tmus: Try turning off port auto detection on the monitor itself.
[14:04] <tmus> rjwiii, thanks, i already tried that. I'm not sure my monitor allows complete disable but with DDC/CI disabled, it still happens.
[14:04] <rjwiii> Worked for me ... I have 3 monitors.
[14:05] <rapha> hi all!
[14:06] <rapha> in ubuntu 20.04, is there a way to get Nvidia 460.73.01 via apt?
[14:07] <lotuspsychje> rapha: always use ubuntu-drivers list to see wich drivers available for your cards chipset
[14:08] <tmus> rjwiii, alright cool. I'll have to figure out a way to properly do this on my Lenovo G34w-10 monitor then. Soulds like the way to go... Could the cable make a difference? And do you know if this is _only_ a problem on HDMI or USB-C as well?
[14:09] <rapha> lotuspsychje: thank you! it seems there's two available of that version, one with "-server" at the end ... should i use that because i'm headless?
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> rapha: headless on plain server or a desktop?
[14:10] <rapha> lotuspsychje: it's a libvirt VM running on a 20-core Xeon without a physical screen attached.
[14:12] <lotuspsychje> rapha: if you dont need the graphical violence might need the -server driver
[14:13] <rapha> heheheh yeah no need for graphical violence, this is just for CUDA :P
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> rapha: some users tend also to download drivers from the ubuntu graphics ppa, for latest versions
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia
[14:21] <rapha> ah, latest features isn't necessary. i need latest production, which is 460.
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> allrighty go for it rapha
[14:21] <groklinux> xubuntu 17.10 - uptime was over 100 days and after reboot it's no longer resolving internal domain names using our dns server. systemd-resolve --status lists the our dns servers correctly. if we do nslookup internal.domain.blah.com it is unable to resolve but if we do nslookup internal.domain.blah.com 10.1.2.3 which is the dns server listed in the status, it resolves it fine. resolv.conf is a linked file and it's set to 127.0.0.53
[14:21] <groklinux> uggestions or ideas appreciated
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> groklinux: 17.10 is eol
[14:22] <groklinux> i understand i just need to fix this though
[14:23] <Walex> groklinux: then test it with "host .... 127.0.0.53"
[14:24] <groklinux> yeah that came back with multiple entries
[14:24] <leftyfb> groklinux: systemd-resolve --status|grep -i "dns servers"
[14:24] <Walex> groklinux: then your applications mysteriuously are using an old or broken '/etc/resolv.conf'
[14:25] <Walex> groklinux: are you using 'nscd' too?
[14:25] <groklinux> so kill it and do the dpjg-reconfigure?
[14:25] <groklinux> not to my knowledge
[14:25] <leftyfb> groklinux: systemd-resolve --status|grep -i "dns servers"
[14:25] <Walex> groklinux: also look at "leftyb" command line.
[14:26] <Walex> I personally try to use 'unbound' as the local resolving server.
[14:26] <groklinux> the grep listed the correct internal server
[14:26] <leftyfb> groklinux: only the 1?
[14:27] <Walex> https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/LocalDNSCacheMaybe
[14:27] <groklinux> yes only one
[14:27] <thana> Hi i have to enable secureboot and i am wondering how to make dkms to sign modules. i read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot/DKMS and woud love to follow method 1. as of now i have SB disabled and have 4 dkms packages installed. how can i rebuild/reinstall them without SB being already enabled?
[14:27] <groklinux> i have 2 internals and 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4.
[14:27] <leftyfb> Walex: lets not recommend non-standard configurations to fix an issue
[14:27] <leftyfb> groklinux: ok, then is your issue
[14:27] <leftyfb> groklinux: remove the externals
[14:29] <leftyfb> groklinux: client resolvers should all be configured to respond in the same way since they all get queried randomly. 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 will not resolve any of your local DNS hosts, but those nameservers will be used when trying to query local hosts and fail
[14:30] <leftyfb> groklinux: if your local (internal) resolver is set to forward requests to some external nameserver like 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 then you don't need to set those on the clients
[14:30] <leftyfb> groklinux: especially if you need to resolve local hosts
[14:34] <groklinux> sorry for the delay...removed the externals using the network-configuration gui (which was fine before) and status is still listing all 4. verified when i reopened network-configuration tool that they are not listed...i restarted the resolved service (naively) but it's still listing all 4
[14:34] <leftyfb> groklinux: where did you remove the externals from?
[14:35] <groklinux> ipv4 tab of network-configuration gui in xubuntu
[14:35] <leftyfb> groklinux: is the machine getting it's ip address via dhcp?
[14:36] <groklinux> no, it's set
[14:37] <groklinux> i am thinking rm the resolve.conf and do the dpkg-reconfigure resolveconf might be next?
[14:37] <leftyfb> groklinux: do not do that
[14:38] <groklinux> roger
[14:38] <leftyfb> groklinux: if you want this fixed, just follow along and do not make any changes without being directed
[14:38] <groklinux> will do
[14:38] <leftyfb> groklinux: reboot
[14:39] <groklinux> ok will have to give me a few as i have to notify the floor (they're prepped but not ready)
[14:40] <leftyfb> groklinux: why is such a critical server running a desktop environment?
[14:40] <leftyfb> groklinux: also, over 3 years EOL
[14:41] <groklinux> if you have worked for a very large corp, you will already know how budgeting and false promises of IT works
[14:42] <leftyfb> groklinux: 6 months to a year, sure. 3 years going on 4, no. Not acceptable
[14:42] <groklinux> we never in a million years expected this to be doing this now in 2021...never...we even have the real big iron for it sitting right beside it...it's a tragedy tbh
[14:42] <Walex> groklinux: we all know, and I know places with a couple of racks of Windows 2003 servers... :-)
[14:42] <groklinux> lol exactly...there's no excuse but it's reality i have to live in
[14:43] <Walex> BTW XUbuntu is nice for servers: It is convenient to have a lightweight GUI on the console. In part because of that I have often used *laptops* as critical servers (laptops have builtin UPS, builtin console, very robust, easy to relocate in a hurry).
[14:43] <groklinux> billion upon billions of dollars and heck, i have to ask irc friends to get help...you would think i'd have a pile of consultants at the least tripping over themselves
[14:43] <leftyfb> groklinux: once/if this is resolved, the next step is getting it upgraded to an LTS release. One that is supported for 5 years for fre and 10 years with ESM. The version you have there was only supported for 9 months. Not something that should have been put on a mission critical machine with no plan on keeping it up to date
[14:44] <groklinux> yeah we have the plans and like i said, the iron is sitting there...this is literally running on and old dell desktop...and i told you how much money goes through this you'd fall over
[14:44] <leftyfb> Walex: there are zero reasons to install a GUI on a mission critical server unless there is some mission critical application that requires a GUI
[14:45] <leftyfb> regardless, back on topic.
[14:45] <groklinux> ok rebooting
[14:45]  * Walex uses LTS in his personal laptop, as GUI upgrades often don't amount to much
[14:47]  * Walex uses HWE newer kernels with LTS though, as that is fairly transparent
[14:48] <groklinux> ok it's done rebooting
[14:50] <leftyfb> groklinux: ok, check again: systemd-resolve --status|grep -i "dns servers"
[14:50] <skeeter> Can anyone help me diagnose crossftp not launching in Ubuntu. Installed the *.deb successfully, clicked to launch the application, pops up for a few seconds and then closes.
[14:50] <groklinux> WE'RE BACK BABY!!!
[14:50] <groklinux> oops...i did an nslookup real quick and it worked without including the dns server
[14:51] <Walex> skeeter: launch it from command line to see if there are any error messages.
[14:51] <leftyfb> skeeter: crossftp is not part of the officially supported packages. You'll need to seek support from the crossftp project
[14:51] <leftyfb> groklinux: make sure systemd-resolved is only listing your internal nameservers, otherwise you'll run into this problem again
[14:52] <groklinux> good point
[14:52] <Walex> skeeter: anyhow there are several alternatives to CrossFTP
[14:52] <skeeter> lfetyfb, any officially support packages you recommend? ftp clients.
[14:52] <groklinux> just the 2 now leftyb
[14:52] <Walex> skeeter: I recently tried 'jftp'
[14:53] <leftyfb> skeeter: I don't recommend ftp at all, but if you must, I have used ncftp in thr past
[14:53] <groklinux> api's are able to pull from the aws stuff again...good deal.
[14:54] <groklinux> just so that i can get my head right...we did have the 2 externals in there prior to the reboot without issue...it appears taking them out resolved it but i'm unsure as to why
[14:54] <Sven_vB> hi :) in focal, is there a way to have the openssh-client read a config file from a pipe? with "ssh -F <(./guess_config.sh) web.local date" it says "Can't open user config file /dev/fd/63: No such file or directory"
[14:54] <leftyfb> groklinux: entropy
[14:54] <Walex> skeeter: for FTP only there are very many, command line, 'curses', GUI, and many frameworks have builtin support for 'ftp://'
[14:54] <groklinux> LOL i'll take that answer
[14:54] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: why would you want to do such a thing?
[14:55] <Walex> groklinux: in the goold old times DNS servers were used in the order they were listed in, unless there was an option to rotate them. I suspect that 'systemd-resolved' now does rotation.
[14:55] <groklinux> leftyb and the rest, please enjoy a the rest of your friday...once again, irc friends come through where all the money in the world cannot
[14:55] <leftyfb> groklinux: as in, client resolvers hit the different configured nameservers randomly. There is no order or weight. You need to make sure all configured nameservers will response to all queries in the exact same way with the results you expect
[14:56] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, to read the appropriate private key path from a database by hostname, rather than writing all of them into my config, or need a directory of full of hostname-named symlinks.
[14:56] <Sven_vB> or hostname-named config files to include
[14:57] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: what is the use case? I don't quite understand what you are doing. Openssh uses it's ssh_config or ~/.ssh/config for it
[14:57] <Sven_vB> also optionally more options like proxy and timeout.
[14:57] <leftyfb> it's "database" with no way to use an external db
[14:58] <Walex> Sven_vB: if it is just to specify the private key path why not use '-i keypath' option?
[14:58] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, querying the DB is my bash script's job. I could of course put lots of options on the command line, it just feels more elegant to use the config file syntax.
[14:59] <Sven_vB> Walex, ^
[14:59] <Walex> Sven_vB: ssh -i $(find-path-of-key-for ...) ....
[14:59] <leftyfb> Walex: that's not what they are asking
[15:00] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: free free to create a shell script that does all the lookups and builds you ssh command. Pipes are going to work
[15:00] <leftyfb> aren't*
[15:01] <skeeter> Leftyfb, do you know if JFTP supports PRET capable ?
[15:01] <leftyfb> skeeter: I have no idea. Feel free to look at the man page or project page
[15:02] <Walex> skeeter: note that IIRC GVFS supports several URL schemes...
[15:02] <Walex> skeeter: for FTP my favorite client is command line 'lftp'
[15:03] <leftyfb> skeeter: feel free to /join #ubuntu-offtopic for software recommendations
[15:03] <skeeter> Thank you guys.
[15:46] <donofrio> what issue does 21.04 have with booting?
[15:46] <donofrio> when upgraded from 20.04?
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> !21.04 | donofrio
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> check the releasenotes for the known bugs donofrio
[15:49] <donofrio> lotuspsychje, I would have but this is where I seen the issue from https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-April/041448.html short answer has the shim been rolled into all upgrades now or?  (context that email was from the 24th)
[15:50] <tomreyn> donofrio: the mailing list post you pointed to refer to ablocking bug, with url. when you access this url, you should see its state on the top of the page
[15:51] <tomreyn> see if you can work it out
[15:51] <donofrio> tomreyn, it renders fine for me
[15:51] <leftyfb> donofrio: do you have an issue with 21.04 booting?
[15:52] <donofrio> tomreyn, https://imgur.com/GUj1ZnV.png
[15:52] <donofrio> leftyfb, yes
[15:52] <leftyfb> donofrio: ok, what issue are you having and what have you tried to fix it?
[15:52] <donofrio> leftyfb, I mean I don't have an issue just asking before I upgrade my device....
[15:52] <leftyfb> donofrio: please detail any error message
[15:53] <leftyfb> donofrio: ok, then you do not have any issues as of yet
[15:53] <donofrio> leftyfb, no because I'm on 20.04
[15:53] <leftyfb> donofrio: feel free to ask for support here when you come across an issue. Good luck
[15:53] <donofrio> hence my question....
[15:53] <donofrio> leftyfb, now looking for a guess if you do not know if shim is in place then just say so...
[15:53] <donofrio> now = not
[16:05] <tomreyn> donofrio: let me try to explain again: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-April/041448.html has two web links on the bottom. one of them is about the bug that's holding back release upgrades to 21.04 (as the text explains).
[16:05] <tomreyn> donofrio: i'm suggesting to access the bug report, and to examine its status. you can see that on top of a bug report.
[16:06] <tomreyn> "hirsute" is the release codename for Ubuntu 21.04.
[16:07] <c4pt00> https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/n1x1xe/google_play_store_should_a_qr_code_for_every_app/
[16:07] <cbreak_> "Hirsutism is excessive body hair on parts of the body where hair is normally absent or minimal." from wikipedia. Hmm...
[16:07] <cbreak_> so... this release might be ... a hairy one...?
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> not here please cbreak_
[16:10] <donofrio> tomreyn, so you could have just said "I don't know" or "no progress on this EFI issue" instead of sounding smug - just sayin.
[16:10] <donofrio> my device is EFI so I guess I'll hold off even though this was released as 0f 4/4/2021
[16:11] <tomreyn> donofrio: i was trying to enable you to understand the state of a bug report on your own next time around. please don't just assume people are meaning to do you bad.
[16:12] <donofrio> it's not that it is just this - there are 1k users here probably wondering perhaps the same thing so that is why I asked here should I have asked in the +1 dev channel instead (guessing not cause they already moved on to 21.10 guessing)
[16:14] <tomreyn> donofrio: it's certainly fine to ask your ubuntu support questions here. further discussing the topic of what should be discussed here should move to #ubuntu-ops, after you read the links in the channel /topic
[16:14] <cbreak_> wonder if upgrading to 21.04 is easier when systemd-boot is used, or zfs-boot-menu, instead of grub
[16:38] <Dev0n> hey, anyone aware of a tool that is able to monitor `ps` and kill a process matching a name when it goes above a certain number in memory usage? but only the process name that's causing it as there can be duplicates with the same name
[16:38] <Dev0n> I could prob write a script but want to avoid any edge cases if there is a pre-built solution already
[16:39] <leftyfb> Dev0n: shouldn't the proper solution be to fix the application that has a memory leak?
[16:40] <Dev0n> leftyfb, ofc, but the fix is still being explored as I don't know what's causing it but if I leave this running it ends up consuming the whole server and that ends up crashing
[16:40] <tomreyn> crashing, how?
[16:40] <leftyfb> Dev0n: I'm not aware of such a tool. Maybe write a wrapper for said application that monitors and kills as needed
[16:41] <Dev0n> it's best of the worst solution at this point, it's a job worker and anything killed will get re-added to the job queue so nothing is really lost
[16:41] <Dev0n> tomreyn, because it ends up leaking memory until there is no memory left
[16:41] <Dev0n> then the whole server just grinds to a halt
[16:41] <Dev0n> leftyfb, ok cool just checking
[16:42] <tomreyn> Dev0n: because it has swap and that's not configured well, so the OOM killer never kicks in, or because that's not configured well either?
[16:43] <Dev0n> tomreyn, I have configured it with limits to actually stop this from happening, however, the service I'm using is not respecting these limits, there are some edge cases that causes a task to escape out of those config params
[16:43] <Dev0n> it's a python celery worker, for context
[16:43] <Dev0n> and celery is notoriously bad for memory leaks
[16:44] <TJ-> Dev0n: pretty simple; put the offending processes into a mmory control group (cgroup)
[16:44] <Dev0n> TJ-, ooh interesting, never worked with cgroups but something I can look into
[16:45] <TJ-> Dev0n: here's a worked example https://www.monetdb.org/blog/limit_memory_usage_on_linux_with_cgroups
[16:46] <Dev0n> nice! thanks TJ-, this could be a very temporary solution while I try and debug the bigger issue at hand
[16:47] <TJ-> Dev0n: if you're using either --system or --user systemd units then see "man systemd.resource-control" and "MemoryMax=" and related options
[16:48] <Dev0n> hah even better, I am actually using systemd to start the celery processes
[16:50] <explodes> Do "snaps" update when you do "sudo apt upgrade" ?
[16:50] <tomreyn> no
[16:50] <explodes> How do you update them?
[16:50] <leftyfb> explodes: snaps update on their own
[16:50] <explodes> @_@
[16:50] <leftyfb> explodes: to run it manually, you can run sudo snap refresh
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> they do on update-manager GUI after apt updates
[16:52] <explodes> ok thanks all
[17:01] <Dev0n> TJ-, not seeing anything in the docs but I assume that MemoryMax= set on a service will kill "all processes" that gets started by that service right?
[17:01] <Dev0n> For example, in my case, the service starts celery which starts a number of workers, it's the workers that could be stuck leaking
[17:02] <TJ-> Dev0n: the control group usually is set to apply to a group of tasks/processes, so if they're children of the service's master PID they should be contained.
[17:03] <leftyfb> Dev0n: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.resource-control.html   "If memory usage cannot be contained under the limit, out-of-memory killer is invoked inside the unit"   that should apply to any children process
[17:04] <Dev0n> TJ-, leftyfb ok the workers end up getting their on PID, there could be 10 workers and if one of those workers go above then looks like they would all get killed
[17:05] <TJ-> Dev0n: looks like you would use MemoryHigh= in preference to MemoryMax=
[17:06] <Dev0n> Ahh TJ-, reading that option now, that looks like any workers that would be within the limit are unaffected and only the one that's going crazy is chopped
[17:06] <Dev0n> cool, guess that will work better in this instance
[17:08] <TJ-> Dev0n: there's kernel docs on those at https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/admin-guide/cgroup-v2.html#memory-interface-files
[17:08] <Dev0n> interestingly enough, someone is running to the same issue I'm having and looking at these options in their systemd https://serverfault.com/questions/1021898/memory-limits-in-systemd
[17:08] <troozers> Does anyone know if Ubuntu 21.04 will switch between internal GPU (Intel) and eGPU (nVidia)?  I don't mean whilst the laptop is powered on.  (e.g. power off, plug in eGPU, switch on, have wayland+nvidia)
[17:09] <Dev0n> TJ- ahh ok, these are for cgroups but if I'm doing this through systemd, those are abstracted away and systemd will take care of it right?
[17:11] <TJ-> Dev0n: correct; the systemd options create/write to those though, so there is more detail in the kernel docs (or more context sometimes)
[17:11] <Dev0n> gotcha, thanks TJ-
[17:12] <TJ-> Dev0n: do make sure the system is configured/booted to used cgroups v2 (unified control groups) though
[17:12] <TJ-> Dev0n: you'll likely need this adding to the kernel command-line: " systemd.unified_cgroup_hierarchy=1"
[17:13] <Dev0n> urgh, this is just a standard install of ubuntu 20.x, guessing it's not standard that it's using cgroups v3
[17:13] <Dev0n> err v2*
[17:13] <TJ-> Default is v1 yes (mostly due to Canonical's LXD not supporting unified cgroups completely as yet)
[17:14] <TomyWork> picking a name for 22.04 is gonna be a tough one. It's an LTS, so the name has to signify stability (at least as much as dapper, hardy, lucid, precise, trusty, xenial, bionic and focal) adjectives with j, however, are all pretty unstable
[17:14] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | TomyWork
[17:14] <TomyWork> oh thanks
[17:15] <Dev0n> TJ- ahh ok, ok damn this is now getting into kernel level stuff which I'm not too experienced in, just looking into systemd.unified_cgroup_hierarchy=1 now thanks
[17:16] <TJ-> Dev0n: it's not unusual - all my/our systems use that now... it'll become the default quite soon
[17:16] <Dev0n> TJ-, can this be done on a live system without having to reboot it?
[17:17] <TJ-> Dev0n: not easily since PID 1 systemd init has to configure that before doing anything
[17:17] <Dev0n> gotcha
[17:18] <panx> Hi. I'm trying to install Ubuntu 20.04 on an hp laptop (pavilion 360x cd0009la) and I've run into difficulty. The installer detects RST and fails. I disabled RAID from BIOS, still same problem. I ran gparted from the live session and wiped all partitions clean. Still same problem. Can somebody help?
[17:19] <Dev0n> TJ-, found this, although it's for debian, the instructions should still work right? https://mbien.dev/blog/tags/debian
[17:19] <Dev0n> oops wrong link: https://mbien.dev/blog/entry/java-in-rootless-containers-with
[17:19] <Dev0n> basically editing /etc/default/grub
[17:20] <tomreyn> panx: so in bios, you switched RAID=ON to RAID=AHCI?
[17:22] <panx> there was no option for AHCI... there was an option under "UEFI devices" for disabling RAID and I did that. It now shows nothing under UEFI devices
[17:22] <leftyfb> panx: I would recommend disabling UEFI if you can
[17:22] <panx> I've disabled UEFI from BIOS... still the same
[17:23] <tomreyn> and i wouldn't, but would look for the latest (uefi) bios
[17:23] <TJ-> Dev0n: that is precisely what I was on about - they show how to make it permanent with GRUB config
[17:23] <Dev0n> great thanks, just want to confirm
[17:24] <panx> tomreyn: you mean update BIOS?
[17:24] <TJ-> Dev0n: those instructions are slightly wrong though, add it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=  (not ..._DEFAULT=) else it won't work if you boot to the non-default entry
[17:24] <tomreyn> panx: and then https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-installation-on-computers-with-intel-r-rst-enabled/15347
[17:25] <tomreyn> panx: so, yes, upgrade bios first of all
[17:25] <panx> never done that before... thanks, will try and do that
[17:26] <Dev0n> TJ-, ahh ok thanks
[17:27] <tomreyn> panx: your current bios version should show for a second or two when you power on the computer and press escape, or after disabling the "full screen logo show" option in bios (if such exists)
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> troozers: didnt test myself on 21.04 but this looks like a sane egpu tut; https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/accelerating-machine-learning-on-a-linux-laptop-with-an-external-gpu/
[17:28] <tomreyn> panx: you can also check the current bios version from an ubuntu live / installer system by pressing ctrl-alt-t (to run a terminal window), then typing, exactly:   journalctl -b | grep DMI:     (and pressing enter)
[17:29] <explodes> rhythmbox kinda sucks, clementine is no longer updated. what's the new hotness for music players?
[17:29] <rory> foobar in wine
[17:29] <rory> idk actually I never tried it, but Foobar on Windows is the bomb
[17:30] <rory> Clementine still works great doesn't it? What updates does it need
[17:31] <rory> Amarok?
[17:32] <tomreyn> panx: version "F.37 Rev.A" (release date: Dec 15, 2020) is the latest available - https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-pavilion-14-cd0000-x360-convertible-pc/20283983/model/21910030
[17:34] <explodes> Qmmp?
[17:34] <panx> tomreyn: sorry, bad connection, I'm back
[17:35] <tomreyn> panx: version "F.37 Rev.A" (release date: Dec 15, 2020) is the latest available - https://support.hp.com/us-en/drivers/selfservice/hp-pavilion-14-cd0000-x360-convertible-pc/20283983/model/21910030
[17:36] <panx> ok, i'll get down to it, thx!
[17:36] <tomreyn> panx: your current bios version should show for a second or two when you power on the computer and press escape, or after disabling the "full screen logo show" option in bios (if such exists). you can also check the current bios version from an ubuntu live / installer system by pressing ctrl-alt-t (to run a terminal window), then typing, exactly:   journalctl -b | grep DMI:     (and pressing enter)
[17:36] <tomreyn> panx: and, once it's upgraded, follow https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-installation-on-computers-with-intel-r-rst-enabled/15347
[17:37] <tomreyn> !irclogs | panx: you can review this chat with ~ 30 minutes delay
[17:45] <unimatrix9> hi there
[17:46] <unimatrix9> i have two computers running ubuntu LTS 20.04, now one seems to run X11 and the other Wayland
[17:46] <unimatrix9> i have never been given a choice, it just " happened " ,
[17:47] <unimatrix9> is there any reason that i might be overlooking as to why this could be ?
[17:47] <tomreyn> fresh 20.04 installations should always default to xorg
[17:47] <tomreyn> in fact i don't think they'd even have xwayland installed (but only 60% sure there)
[17:48] <unimatrix9> yeah, but afcause i did do the regular update && upgrade
[17:48] <tomreyn> that wouldn't change it
[17:48] <matsaman> unimatrix9: both desktops?
[17:48] <explodes> qmmp is pretty neat tbh- even has old winamp skins
[17:48] <unimatrix9> no just one did a switch to wayland somehow
[17:49] <matsaman> not both desktops?
[17:49] <unimatrix9> no not both , just the one
[17:49] <matsaman> same arch?
[17:49] <matsaman> which is on wayland, the ... laptop is it?
[17:49] <unimatrix9> echo $XDG_SESSION_TYPE wayland
[17:50] <unimatrix9> the one on the right of me ( dell optiplex desktop )
[17:50] <matsaman> the desktop is on wayland and the laptop is on X
[17:50] <unimatrix9> and the other ( dell optiplex desktop ) wich i am using -- 11
[17:50] <unimatrix9> x11
[17:50] <matsaman> ...
[17:51] <matsaman> so they're both dell optiplex desktops?
[17:51] <unimatrix9> yep
[17:51] <matsaman> same model
[17:51] <unimatrix9> one = 780 / the other is a 9080 / does that matter ?
[17:51] <matsaman> if they're the exact same hardware, that means you personally configured them differently, or there was an interesting event and they received from upstream different configurations
[17:52] <unimatrix9> hmm , odd
[17:52] <tomreyn> it doesn'T matter what hardware they are, no.
[17:53] <unimatrix9> and , i cant turn back to x11 ( on login, or at logout / login menu choice )
[17:54] <tomreyn> i guess xorg isnt installed?
[17:54] <unimatrix9> afcause its not that a big problem, its just .. strange / yes xorg was installed , it just suddenly switched to wayland
[17:56] <tomreyn> chances are you have a dependency mess on this system and uninstalled or upgraded soem software which caused xorg to be removed
[17:56] <matsaman> mmm, isn't 21 going to use wayland by default? It might honestly make sense to switch the X one to Wayland instead of vice versa, to make them more similar
[17:57] <unimatrix9> grep says xserver-xorg-core is installed , so that ok
[18:00] <tomreyn> grep isn't the tool you'd ask about it. use    apt list --installed xserver-xorg    or    dpkg -l xserver-xorg
[18:00] <unimatrix9> dpkg -l | grep xserver-xorg-core
[18:00] <unimatrix9> ;)
[18:02] <tomreyn> i think you want to look for "xserver-xorg", without "-core"
[18:05] <TheBigK> hmm... when i reenable  secure boot with sudo mokutil --renable-validation ... i can set a password ... it also boots be into the mokutil of my uefi... but when i try to renable the secure boot status... it says failed...
[18:05] <TheBigK> mokutil in ubuntu tells me secure boot is disabled and in setup mode
[18:05] <TheBigK> am i doing something wrong? do i need to reimport the signature or somethign?
[18:06] <unimatrix9> did i just see a netsplit ?
[18:06] <unimatrix9> any way, thanks for the time and feedback, i will look into it later
[18:06] <TheBigK> unimatrix9: seems like it
[18:12] <tomreyn> TheBigK: here's my understanding: the only place where you enable or disable the secureboot feature is your bios. once it's enabled and in setup mod (i.e. no password / passphrase has been entered, or you chose to delete it), the OS can choose to trigger its setup, which involves (rebooting and) setting a password / passphrase. once secure boot is enabled, you can have the shim enforce validation.
[18:12] <unimatrix9> see you all , bye Tom
[18:12] <tomreyn> bye unimatrix9
[18:19] <TheBigK> tomreyn: i tried disable and renable with the mokutil
[18:19] <TheBigK> didnt work yet
[18:22] <tomreyn> disable and re-enable what exactly? which mode is the firmware in?
[18:22] <mark4> can someone explain the assinine reason behid removing kdbg from the repos?
[18:23] <mark4> literally the **ONLY** gdb front end thats actually usable
[18:23] <leftyfb> mark4: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=874941
[18:25] <leftyfb> mark4: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=803878
[18:26] <mark4> ugh why is qt5 so divergent from qt4? why would lib developers break user space?
[18:26] <leftyfb> mark4: feel free to email the debian maintainers
[18:27] <mark4> leftyfb, seems its not the debian maintainers at fault but the qt develoeprs who break userspace on every itteration
[18:27] <matsaman> mark4: betrayal of users and codebases is pretty core to KDE (& GNOME, for that matter)
[18:27] <matsaman> anyway does kdbg really not support qt5?
[18:27] <matsaman> it's mentioned briefly in its code
[18:27] <mark4> its no longer in the ubuntu repos
[18:27] <matsaman> well that's a slightly different problem
[18:27] <mark4> like whoever packages it MUST have already tried to build it against qt5 amirite?
[18:28] <matsaman> maybe, maybe not, or maybe some time ago
[18:28] <matsaman> no time like the present =)
[18:28] <matsaman> mark4: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1235242/trying-to-install-kdbg-debugger
[18:28] <leftyfb> mark4: feel free to contact the appropriate developers for more details. Ubuntu is based on Debian. Any packages that are no longer part of Debian will more than likely not get included in Ubuntu
[18:28] <mark4> well on my gentoo system i have kdbg emerged and ONLY have qt5 support enabled
[18:29] <mark4> so yea the ubuntu maintainers are being stupid
[18:29] <leftyfb> mark4: this is an an Ubuntu issue
[18:29] <mark4> well then debian is being stupid
[18:29] <tomreyn> !discuss | mark4
[18:29] <leftyfb> mark4: feel free to contact the appropriate developers for more details.
[18:29] <mark4> im too lazy to build kdbg against qt5 so im going to remove it from the repo
[18:29] <mark4> ill go ask in #debian
[18:29] <mark4> ty
[18:29] <matsaman> I guess you need to find the Debian bug, yeah
[18:30] <matsaman> maybe they removed it when there was no qt5 support, but now there is, that'd be convenient
[18:30] <matsaman> you might be able to find a 3rd party build somewhere, too, perhaps even launchpad
[18:30] <tomreyn> they're gone
[18:30] <matsaman> deep
[18:30] <matsaman> it's almost like in IRC time keeps going
[18:31] <TheBigK> tomreyn: tried disable-validation and then renable again
[18:31] <TheBigK> both worked according to the key management util in efi
[18:31] <TheBigK> but it still says secure boot disabled and system is in setup mode
[18:33] <tomreyn> does the "bios setup utility" (really the UEFI UI) also say that it is in setup mode?
[18:34] <TheBigK> in the bios i checked if secure boot is enabled and it seems it is. and system security is on "system" whatever that means
[18:34] <TheBigK> i cant check for the status of secure boot, can i ?
[18:34] <TheBigK> when du enable-validation the mokutil of the uefi is starting while rebooting
[18:34] <TheBigK> i can also enter the password
[18:34] <TheBigK> looks fine to me?
[18:34] <TheBigK> anything special to think about?
[18:41] <tomreyn> TheBigK: hmm i'm not sure what "system" means. normally there's "setup" and "user" mode, firmware-wise. in setup mode, certificates can be installed, it is meant for setting up the boot loader signing, and certificate (chain) validation. in user mode, it is enabled, and signatures on the boo loader (grub shim) are validated by the firmware.
[18:44] <tomreyn> TheBigK: grub-shim (loaded from the ESP) would verify the main grub (loaded from /boot), and that would verify the initrd, which would verify the kernel, which would verify drivers etc. at least that's what i think it works like.
[18:45] <tomreyn> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UEFI/SecureBoot provides a lot more details on the process, also on mokutil and how it can be used to install certificates
[18:54] <[VMGuy23]> Any idea why legacy titlebars are using Ambience theme?
[18:58] <[VMGuy23]> GTK theme does nothing
[18:59] <tomreyn> !details
[19:01] <[VMGuy23]> Legacy Titlebars (Wayland, GNOME 3.38.5) use the old Ambiency theme, no matter what the GTK theme is. Should use Yaru.
[19:02] <[VMGuy23]> Fresh install of 21.04 after copying my entire home folder over
[19:07] <tomreyn> no ubuntu release supports GNOME 3.38.5
[19:08] <tomreyn> please limit your support questions here to supported configurations and the supported ubuntu releases, as listed in the channel /topic
[19:10] <TheBigK> i feel like everything is correctly configured in bios... i think something else is wrong
[19:10] <TheBigK> https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/8PByzcFVq8/
[19:10] <[VMGuy23]> I am just using latest version in 21.04 repo, i looked in about
[19:10] <[VMGuy23]> It's gnome-shell 3.38.4-1ubuntu2
[19:11] <[VMGuy23]> tomreyn: No PPAs, no external repo, just 21.04 default install.
[19:12] <[VMGuy23]> I checked in Settings -> About
[19:12] <leftyfb> [VMGuy23]: you originally said 3.38.5, no 3.38.4
[19:12] <leftyfb> [VMGuy23]: 3.38.4 is fine
[19:12] <TheBigK> i feel like that message regarding EFI memory descriptor is causing secure boot to be disabled
[19:13] <[VMGuy23]> leftyfb: Settings said 3.38.5, apt said 3.38.4
[19:14] <leftyfb> [VMGuy23]: which settings?
[19:15] <leftyfb> ah, right
[19:15] <[VMGuy23]> GNOME Settings, the one in the volume, wifi etc menu
[19:15] <leftyfb> so it does
[19:15] <leftyfb> tomreyn: not sure if that's a bug. It shows it on mine as well
[19:16] <[VMGuy23]> I think my problem is related to snaps.
[19:16] <tomreyn> TheBigK: "[    0.000000] secureboot: Secure boot disabled" - I think this message directly refers to the firmware setting
[19:17] <[VMGuy23]> Titlebar weir on snaps
[19:17] <[VMGuy23]> *weird
[19:17] <tomreyn> leftyfb: the wrong theme, you mean? maybe worth filing a bug repor tthen.
[19:17] <TheBigK> its enabled... when i enable it again with --enable-validation it fails... but when i say disable-validation it says disabled
[19:17] <TheBigK> and then i cant even find the bios setting for secure boot anymore
[19:18] <TheBigK> i feel like everything is fine...
[19:18] <TheBigK> assuming i changed the state in the mokutil in bios
[19:19] <leftyfb> tomreyn: I mean, settings -> about shows "GNOME Version" is 3.38.5 while the "gnome" package installed is 3.38.4
[19:19] <TheBigK> i gonna boot into windows what windows tells me about my secure boot state...
[19:19] <tomreyn> leftyfb: oh, ok. well, it's probably patched with newer patches then, but the package version remained the same since it was still deemed compatible.
[19:20] <tomreyn> ... and to prevent dependency hell
[19:20] <tomreyn> TheBigK: i could be wrong but i *think* --enable-validation is about whether grub will enforce validation of what comes after it, and is not the same thing as what enabling / disabling the secure boot option in the mainboard firmware setup UI does.
[19:21] <[VMGuy23]> I think it's an issue with gtk-common-themes
[19:24] <tomreyn> TheBigK: on my 18.04 LTS, mokutil(1) says "--enrolled-validation" (and i think that's a typo, meant to say "--enable-validation") stands for "Enable the validation process in shim". so the grub shim, i.e. the Ubuntu Linux boot loader, on the ESP. not the mainboard firmware's configuration of whether or not it will try to verify the signature on the shim.
[19:28] <RonaldsMazitis> hey, how could I restore deleted file by knowing exact location in external hard drive and half name
[19:28] <tomreyn> TheBigK: okay, indeed it seems that    mokutil --enable-validation    will, when started during Secure Boot Setup Mode, will enable both the firmware's and the shim's validation.
[19:29] <sarnold> RonaldsMazitis: I've had success recovering files using autopsy / the sleuthkit before
[19:30] <tomreyn> RonaldsMazitis: which file system?
[19:30] <RonaldsMazitis> ext4
[19:30] <tomreyn> testdisk's photorec can work
[19:31] <TheBigK> tomreyn: ur the man and im just dumb
[19:31] <TheBigK> disable csm was needed... im sorry :(
[19:31] <RonaldsMazitis> I have so much things to think about I forgot I know ubuntu
[19:31] <tomreyn> TheBigK: :) glad you worked it out!
[19:31] <TheBigK> i just needed to resign the nvidia-dkms package... and then everything is fine now. SecureBoot enabled
[19:31] <RonaldsMazitis> I mean linux
[19:32] <TheBigK> tomreyn: u worked it out... i was just trying weird things... as i saw that windows did also tell me the same... i went back to bios
[19:33] <TheBigK> i should read what i see and trust it instead of questioning it... brrrr
[19:34] <RonaldsMazitis> I  was just interested if anybody has done this lately
[19:34] <RonaldsMazitis> so I could just bite your knowledge
[19:34] <TheBigK> the only thing thats kind of weird is grub feels laggy with the secure boot enabled. i dont know why
[19:35] <RonaldsMazitis> dude how much time You spend on grub
[19:35] <TheBigK> not much... just changing the boot menu is laggy
[19:35] <TheBigK> RonaldsMazitis: if i remember correclty, ext4 is rly doing nasty stuff when u delete a file... i dont think it just removes it out of the journal... but i might be wrong
[19:36] <RonaldsMazitis> You know one thing I think ubuntu might have problems with is 3 usb ports using in same time, but maybe it's my asus
[19:36] <TheBigK> did u try ext4magic ? seems like a tool u might wanna use
[19:36] <RonaldsMazitis> for some reason one of my usb ports does not want to have file transfers if other are used
[19:36] <RonaldsMazitis> or keyboard used on it
[19:37] <TJ-> RonaldsMazitis: USB2 or USB3 port?
[19:37] <RonaldsMazitis> :D
[19:37] <RonaldsMazitis> yeah let me see
[19:38] <TJ-> RonaldsMazitis: we know that some USB3 XHCI chipsets have issues with USB1.1 or USB2 devices connected on USB3 ports
[19:38] <TheBigK> usb can be weird ... but i would check the smart output first... sounds odd that u lose data just because u use ur keyboard :p
[19:38] <TJ-> RonaldsMazitis: also consider that multiple ports may be connected to the same internal chipset hub
[19:38] <RonaldsMazitis> xinput list says something
[19:38] <RonaldsMazitis> trying my best to get it right
[19:39] <TJ-> RonaldsMazitis: to get an idea use "lsusb -t"
[19:39] <RonaldsMazitis> linux users have best memory
[19:40] <TJ-> it's ECC
[19:41] <RonaldsMazitis> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/zK9FtTbTHK/
[19:41] <TJ-> ehci = USB2, no sigh of xhci (USB3)
[19:42] <dakotakae> Hey all! I've got a newer Thinkpad set up with 20.04. It has a fingerprint reader on it and I've set-up fingerprint authentication. One question though: right now it's password OR fingerprint. How can I make that password AND fingerprint?
[19:42] <RonaldsMazitis> I was expecting
[19:42] <RonaldsMazitis> that
[19:42] <RonaldsMazitis> because no way 3.0 is that slow
[19:43] <TJ-> RonaldsMazitis: USB3 ports still do the other protocols
[19:43] <RonaldsMazitis> ok so I read manual of ext4magic
[19:43] <TJ-> dakotakae: you'd need to do some custom PAM config with 'requires' for both rather than 'optional' if I recall correctly
[19:43] <Maik> dakotakae: it's either password or fingerprint not both afaik
[19:43] <RonaldsMazitis> it's excelent "D
[19:43] <ioria> dakotakae, i don't think you can atm
[19:44] <TJ-> RonaldsMazitis: it could be a power issue - the internal hub may not be able to supply the power demands of all the devices connected to that hub
[19:44] <dakotakae> Darn. I'll just set-up my U2F key as well, then.
[19:44] <TJ-> dakotakae: I did that about 12 years ago si it is possible
[19:44] <sarnold> dakotakae: try running pam-auth-update --- I think the change you need to is to use 'requires' rather than 'optional' in the PAM configurations for the fingerprint method
[19:44] <RonaldsMazitis> TJ that is really annoying when You have external keyboard and external keyboard and need a mouse too
[19:45] <RonaldsMazitis> for example editing kdenlive does not have menu with exit
[19:45] <sarnold> dakotakae: I don't know if pam-auth-update can do that, but it's worth trying out to see if it can help
[19:45] <RonaldsMazitis> and other stuff that makes you plug it in 1000 times
[19:45] <sarnold> dakotakae: I strongly recommend ssh'ing in and starting a root shell *before* goofing with this, and test test test it before closing that shell :D
[19:45] <dakotakae> I did pam-auth-update and it allowed the fingerprint to be used in place of password on terminal applications, but it didn't make both required. I'll search through the pam files and see if I can just set it to "required" in the right places.
[19:46] <TJ-> RonaldsMazitis: indeed, and that may not be it, but it is a known kind of issue especially if the ports on the hub are only expected to have HIDs in them - the USB specification says each port is supposed to provide up to 500mA but...!
[19:48] <RonaldsMazitis> I really get the idea of having flags in terminal command
[19:49] <RonaldsMazitis> but sometimes when You really lazy
[19:49] <RonaldsMazitis> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man8/ext4magic.8.html
[19:49] <RonaldsMazitis> this seems like coding new C++ programm
[19:49] <RonaldsMazitis> stuff really needs GUI
[19:52] <RonaldsMazitis> btw c++ on windows is really not intuitive, I got some stuff for job that supposedly compiles in ubuntu but windows is whole another story
[19:52] <RonaldsMazitis> unless You turn yourself into visual studio user
[19:52] <sarnold> solution: install ubuntu in your windows :) wsl
[19:52] <RonaldsMazitis> sarnold waited for windows endorsing
[19:52] <RonaldsMazitis> I need to compile for windows lmao
[19:54] <dakotakae> I worked out how to make password AND fingerprint required. Anyone interested in the solution?
[19:55] <dakotakae> It's actually a stupidly simple solution, just took a minute of looking around the pam files.
[19:56] <TJ-> dakotakae: "auth required" for each
[20:11] <[VMGuy23]> i need a wayland-compatible screenrecorder, which isnt laggy and does not produce laggy footage
[20:13] <Maik> [VMGuy23]: if you want hassle free just switch to Xorg instead. Not all apps are compatible or to work flawless with wayland as of yet.
[20:14] <Maik> Wayland is still a WIP
[20:14] <Maik> and imo not yet ready for prime time
[20:14] <Maik> look at it as Beta software, even after 12 years of development
[20:14] <[VMGuy23]> maik: Well, the app I'm using to talk to you right now in whick I like fails to creae/connect to display 0 on x
[20:15] <Maik> what app....
[20:15] <dakotakae> @TJ- No, actually. At least, not in my set-up. Setting auth required for each caused it not recognize my password for some reason. If you use pam-auth-update it inserts a new line above unix auth for fprintd. There is a section that says [success=2 default=ignore], and the unix auth line says [success=1 default=ignore]. If you just swap the 1 and the 2, it requires both.
[20:15] <[VMGuy23]> Using FluffyChat on Matrix because it looks nice
[20:15] <Maik> never heard of it
[20:16] <[VMGuy23]> AND it doesnt make the channel name go bold when theres a new mesage, which is nice compared to Spectral
[20:16] <Maik> and i don't use software just because it looks nice, it needs to work
[20:16] <[VMGuy23]> Mine works and looks nice. Does the job.
[20:16] <[VMGuy23]> But do any screensavers work with wayland
[20:17] <matsaman> like, animated screensavers of yore?
[20:17] <matsaman> or merely blanking/locking?
[20:17] <Maik> screensavers are long gone
[20:18] <matsaman> they really are, so I wouldn't expect a ton of enthusiasm porting them to wayland and not requiring the backwards comaptible X support
[20:18] <[VMGuy23]> I meant screenrecorders
[20:18] <matsaman> ah
[20:18] <Maik> as i said before... but you won't listen it seems.... Not everything is made to work with wayland yet
[20:19] <matsaman> [VMGuy23]: ffmpeg with kmsgrab instead of x11grab, potentially
[20:19] <Maik> [VMGuy23]: maybe better to ask the Wayland guys, this has nothing to do with Ubuntu support.
[20:20] <matsaman> another thing you don't have to do is: use wayland at this time
[20:20] <[VMGuy23]> I am using ubuntu, need an app tht works
[20:20] <[VMGuy23]> *that
[20:20] <sarnold> matsaman: sure it does, ubuntu ships wayland
[20:20] <sarnold> sigh
[20:20] <sarnold> sorry matsaman that was meant for Maik
[20:20] <matsaman> [VMGuy23]: or GNOME's extension 'EasyScreenCast'
[20:21] <[VMGuy23]> great idea
[20:21] <Maik> sarnold: it does indeed
[20:21] <matsaman> sarnold: =)
[20:22] <BuenGenio> guys, maybe I can't seem to spot things point blank in Google, but honestly it shouldn't be this frustrating importing the keys for the main, universe, multiverse, updates and security repos into the "Trusted Software Providers" section on gnome-software-properties
[20:22] <matsaman> personally I'd figure out how to do it with ffmpeg, it's been the only reliable way IME
[20:22] <leftyfb> sarnold: except you can easily revert xorg. I agree with Maik. There are loads of common things that don't work properly with wayland and IMO, it isn't ready for primetime. If someone is spending days asking multiple times a day which applications work with wayland since the ones they used to use don't work properly, then I don't feel wayland is worth the time
[20:22] <[VMGuy23]> Not sure if this command exists, but
[20:22] <[VMGuy23]> !tabfail
[20:22] <BuenGenio> Where do I get the keys and more importantly how do I make sure they stop disappearing
[20:22] <[VMGuy23]> Oh whoops that was only on phrik
[20:22] <BuenGenio> (and find out why?)
[20:22] <matsaman> when it's ready it will be the default on Debian stable
[20:23] <sarnold> BuenGenio: apt-add-repository universe or apt-add-repository multiverse  etc
[20:23] <Maik> thanks leftyfb
[20:23] <matsaman> and not merely a distro sourced from Debian unstable
[20:23] <sarnold> leftyfb: oh I completely agree that wayland isn't ready for primetime
[20:23] <sarnold> leftyfb: but asking how to record the screen seems perfectly on-topic for #ubuntu
[20:23] <matsaman> agreed
[20:24] <leftyfb> sarnold: oh, I'm not disagreeing with that. But the overall theme here is that more than a handful of things don't work, maybe it's worth going back to xorg and working from there
[20:24] <sarnold> leftyfb: yup! :D
[20:24] <[VMGuy23]> easyscreencast does not work on 3.38.4
[20:25] <leftyfb> [VMGuy23]: try peek
[20:25] <[VMGuy23]> Trying noe
[20:25] <[VMGuy23]> *now
[20:26] <leftyfb> [VMGuy23]: also, we've mentioned this multiple times. This isn't the best place for constantly asking for software recommendations. It can lead to arguments on opinions and it's all based on personal preference. The software center and apt should be good for searching for software. Or ask in #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:26] <[VMGuy23]> *peek
[20:26] <[VMGuy23]> oh wait, peak cant do fullscreen recording
[20:31] <matsaman> you'll have to do a little poking, and I think it will depend on your hardware, but again I'd check out that ffmpeg with kmsgrab approach
[20:31] <[VMGuy23]> I will keep trying different screenrecorders
[20:37] <shimbles> is it possible to get Guacamole to use the GPU for ie WebGL
[20:45] <davido_> Where should I go to discuss the cheese utility failing to record video (it correctly opens the cam, but when I record video, after a few seconds it freezes, and the video file is like 8 minutes long with only a little of actual video at the end of the 8 minutes)
[20:45] <[VMGuy23]> #ubuntu-discuss?
[20:46] <davido_> Perhaps discuss is the wrong word. I'd like to get it working.
[20:46] <[VMGuy23]> Ask here
[20:47] <davido_> Alright. :)
[20:47] <[VMGuy23]> "cheese | nc termbin.com 9999" Then start recording until it freezes, close it and paste the link here.
[20:47] <davido_> When I use Cheese to record video, after about five seconds of video capture, it freezes and saves the file. The file it saves is over 8 minutes long, and the few seconds that actually get captured are at the end.
[20:47] <davido_> will do.
[20:50] <davido_> huh, i would have expected a link to show up after it closed. One didn't.
[20:52] <davido_> However, you also would not see anything useful. There is one startup warning, and that's it. The startup warning states that native windows taller than 65535 pixels are not supported
[20:55] <davido_> Found the problem description: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/cheese/-/issues/98