| webmind | Hi, trying to upgrade to 21.04 on my gpd pocket2, I followed the steps on https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-hirsute-hippo-final-release/ but at 'update-manager -c' is says my system is up to date and /usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/check-new-release-gtk gives a timeout? | 11:32 |
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| webmind | WARNING:root:timeout reached, exiting | 11:33 |
| webmind | 'sudo do-release-upgrade -d' seems to work | 11:34 |
| webmind | But I've told it to notify me for 'For any new version' | 11:35 |
| Maik | it's not recommended to force the update due a bug https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2021-April/041448.html | 11:37 |
| Maik | https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/04/why-you-cant-upgrade-to-ubuntu-21-04-for-now | 11:38 |
| Maik | that's why it won't notify you webmind | 11:38 |
| Maik | i also was told that the -d option puts you on a development release | 11:39 |
| webmind | yeah, I was told to try that last time it didn't work | 12:16 |
| webmind | shouldn't this be on the release page? that's currently recommending you to upgrade | 12:17 |
| webmind | but uhm yeah, I now only see my background with sometimes the terminal flipping in | 12:18 |
| Maik | webmind: they mentioned it here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/hirsute-hippo-release-notes/19221#heading-release-upgrades | 12:23 |
| Maik | quote: Release Upgrades - Upgrades from Ubuntu 20.10 to Ubuntu 21.04 are not enabled as it is possible for some systems to end up in an unbootable state if they use EFI version 1.10 - bug 1925010. 580 Release upgrades will be enabled once an updated version of shim is available which is compatible with EFI version 1.10. | 12:23 |
| ubottu | bug 1925010 in shim (Ubuntu Hirsute) "shim-signed 15.4 does not boot on EFI 1.10 systems" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1925010 | 12:23 |
| webmind | I ended up here: https://ubuntu-mate.org/blog/ubuntu-mate-hirsute-hippo-final-release/ not even in the known issues | 12:35 |
| webmind | Do you need to read both before installing ubuntu-mate ? | 12:36 |
| webmind | my pocket 2 is now showing my background and one in a while blinking my terminal, I can get a new terminal ctrl-alt-f1, but what is now the best tactic to not end up completely broken? | 12:38 |
| Maik | webmind: of course, if Ubuntu MATE doesn't mention it then check the Ubuntu releasenotes too | 12:40 |
| Maik | the base is after all Ubuntu | 12:40 |
| webmind | if ubuntu mate -doesn't- mention? how do I know if it's not mentioning it? | 12:42 |
| Maik | i meant to say just check both release notes | 12:44 |
| Maik | it's their fault not to mention this important bug imho | 12:44 |
| webmind | it is, but when ubuntu-mate knowns, shouldn't the page be updated? | 12:45 |
| webmind | *knows | 12:45 |
| Maik | you can notify them about it on either their forum or on discord | 12:46 |
| Maik | webmind: i asked them why it wasn't included in the UM release notes | 12:51 |
| webmind | thank you | 13:05 |
| webmind | but my current bug doesn't look efi related, and do you have any idea how to save my currently running upgrade? | 13:05 |
| Maik | upgrades can't be saved afaik, just let it finish | 13:12 |
| Maik | imo Ubuntu should have waited on releasing 21.04. Fedora doesn't release when they found a possible show stopper bug. | 13:14 |
| Maik | they postpone a release by one week to make sure such bugs are squashed | 13:15 |
| webmind | it's waiting for me to answer a question, but the terminal is only there for 1 second and then I get my background again | 13:22 |
| webmind | I tried just typing it in, but the terminal doesn't seem to have the focus | 13:22 |
| webmind | alt-tab doesn't do anything | 13:22 |
| webmind | looks like marco is crashing | 13:26 |
| webmind | keeps having new pid's | 13:26 |
| webmind | yep, giving errors that it can't load themes | 13:30 |
| webmind | export DISPLAY=:0 and compiz --replace gave me something working again | 13:36 |
| webmind | (on tty0) | 13:37 |
| alkisg | It's possible to redirect a tty into another process. E.g. to migrate an upgrade process inside mate-terminal, to another process started via ssh. | 13:54 |
| alkisg | http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hirsute/man1/reptyr.1.html | 13:56 |
| webmind | that's pretty cool | 14:06 |
| webmind | installation finished, but does this mean I shouldn't reboot until it's fixed? | 14:07 |
| webmind | also compiz --replace, doesn't stop marco from trying to start anyway. It got into a restart loop eating a lot of cpu | 14:08 |
| Maik | webmind: according to the team the shim bug was mentioned in the Ubuntu MATE release notes | 17:16 |
| superkuh | I wish the MATE team would patch the gtk3 they link against to bring back the ability to paste filepaths and type into into File->Open dialogs. | 17:19 |
| superkuh | Without a patched gtk3 MATE is pretty much just modern GNOME. | 17:20 |
| superkuh | Last MATE release before gtk3 got GNOME'd was ~ 2013 with 1.8. | 17:22 |
| alkisg | superkuh: hm? I go to pluma > file > open, type / to show the path edit box, and I can paste paths there... | 19:09 |
| superkuh | Yes, after you type ~ , / or . | 19:16 |
| superkuh | But if you just try to paste it errors out. | 19:16 |
| superkuh | Whereas with older gtk3 you can just paste the file path. | 19:17 |
| superkuh | http://erewhon.superkuh.com/gtkfilechooserwidget-paste-fail.jpg | 19:17 |
| alkisg | Oh I completely agree that gnome is heading to the wrong direction... I'm actually looking at Debian+KDE lately | 19:17 |
| superkuh | I tried kate in Qt as a text editor but it's gtk imitation so was good it had the same bugs as the gtk3 application. | 19:18 |
| superkuh | For a while I thought it was doing xdg-desktop-portal stuff. | 19:18 |
| alkisg | Unfortunately MATE doesn't have control over gtk3... I doubt they could patch the libs, as all Ubuntu flavors share the same repository | 19:19 |
| superkuh | Ah. Dang. | 19:19 |
| alkisg | For text editing, I moved to vscode | 19:19 |
| tomreyn | webmind: first topic under "known issues": https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/hirsute-hippo-release-notes/19221#heading--release-upgrades | 19:33 |
| tomreyn | the blog post points to these release notes. | 19:34 |
| tomreyn | Indeed, the blog post states "You can upgrade to Ubuntu MATE 21.04 from Ubuntu MATE 20.10. " which makes it sound like you can do so *now*, which is misleading. | 19:35 |
| tomreyn | the "known issues" section of the blog post does point to the blocking bug. | 19:36 |
| tomreyn | Wimpress: you may want to consider editing the blog post to point out the 20.10 -> 21.04 upgrade path is not yet supported. | 19:38 |
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