[15:45] ya know what would be really useful... a howto guide for dealing with/debugging ubuntu-cloudimg systems/containers. [15:46] because when something goes wrong, and all your usual utilities aren't there becuase it is a minimal system, it is really annoying. [15:46] TIL: the `ip` command isn't even installed. [15:46] like... how do you even determine your own ip address??? [15:58] whut? [15:59] Are they running busybox? [18:28] no, it still has /bin/dash, but it is stripped to run containers and so only has minimal tools. not even systemd AFAICT, because a container doesn't need an init system [18:30] it makes sense, but I do wish there were ways... I should have cat /proc/net/fib_trie [18:31] but I didn't think of it at the time. [18:45] That feels like waiting for a cactus to grow to scratch your back [18:51] lul [19:06] i ultimately fixed my problem... hte problem was me... :) [19:16] uh huh [19:17] "I had not queried the network card firmware directly. How could I be so daft?!" [19:26] oh no. i didn't really need to know the IP. I needed to fix docker DNS resolution. my local bind was denying queries from that docker network. [19:26] this is what i get for having a convoluted DNS config including BIND using views fronting iphole. [19:27] i basically route DNS requests to get the results I want. It works great, but when something isn't configured right, it doesn't. [19:29] heh