[00:39] irc is lame, try telegram === NeverLoads8 is now known as NeverLoads === WrathOfA1hilles is now known as WrathOfAchilles [02:19] how do i do an unattended or script based upgrade from 18.04 to 20.04 ? [02:19] is there some code somewhere that automates this upgrade? [02:19] No user input? [02:22] Hi pytorch. There is a way. [02:23] pytorch: You can ask apt/dpkg to choose answers for you, and then perform system upgrade. [02:23] pytorch: You could also just install 20.04 fresh, if possible. A little less hustle. [02:24] kwilczynski: I'm inside a machine that already has 18.04 installed, need to upgrade to 20.04 - that is the issue [02:25] If this is a server installation and you didn't modify it heavily, then in theory it would be just fine. [02:25] kwilczynski: I think its not apt/dpkg that asks the questions - its sudo do-release-upgrade -d [02:25] You most likely would want to reboot to get new libraries and kernel. So if possible, if this is in the cloud, take a snapshot of the root volume. [02:26] kwilczynski: I can upgrade to 20.04 - then create an image from that, and spin up new machines from that - that is what i am trying to do [02:27] kwilczynski: sshing into a machine, downloading 20.04 onto that machine and installing it from inside - without interaction is also challenging i think [02:27] pytorch: Aside of asking apt/dpkg not to ask you (non-interactive) you can also pass an option to do-release-upgrade: -f DistUpgradeViewNonInteractive [02:27] pytorch: That would not be something I'd recommend, unless you have a lot of time and know how to recover from potential issues. [02:28] The upgrade script does a bit more than just flips the mirror and updates apt, so to speak. [02:28] kwilczynski: I can just kill the machine and create a new one - so that is not an issue [02:28] Right. [02:29] In which case, why bother with the upgrade? [02:29] Grab fresh image and/or installation. [02:29] kwilczynski: how do you install it on this VPS machine? [02:29] the provider only supports 18.04lts [02:29] Which provider is it? [02:30] 20.04 is an LTS release, I would imagine it'd be in their best interest to support it, alas... [02:30] pytorch: most of them does it for you if you open a ticket for it (even though they dont show in their list ) [02:31] pytorch: https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades [02:31] kwilczynski: its internal consultant politics. [02:31] pytorch: What Sevenhill says might be also an option. :) [02:31] pytorch: Ah, I see. OK. [02:31] Well. [02:31] Sevenhill: I am asking about moving from 18.04 to 20.04 unattended. [02:32] do-release-upgrade: -f DistUpgradeViewNonInteractive ——> I dont think this will work - but am going to try [02:32] i always prefer upgrades from a to b then c or just install c with fresh install :) [02:32] Is there a way to install 20.04 fresh on a running 18.04 machine? :) [02:34] pytorch: Every but every vps provides should give you all active lts versions as option to install , it will be a suicade for them not to let you install a current lts version :D === Tabstar is now known as Tabmow [02:36] if it is not a secret may i learn which vps provider are you talking about [02:37] Sevenhill: it is behind an NDA - this is a local consulting company [02:38] Sevenhill: its a local datacenter which we have a contract to support only 18.04lts - so its only fair for them to ask for money for 20.04 [02:44] kwilczynski: DistUpgradeViewNonInteractive - I dont see that feature supported in do-release-upgrade [02:45] pytorch: it is (or was ) a frontend so you use it with -f [02:45] sarnold: apb1963 ok but I didn't found a correct solution yet [02:46] I cannot 'startx' on virtualbox when doing it by tty alt+ctrl+f2/3/4'. it says https://termbin.com/cmeq any clues? [02:47] Sevenhill: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Nkgbv5McKQ/ [02:47] both working and non working have identical files (I didn't go in depth though) but one difference is that the working one has xubuntu installed while the non working has xubuntu installed afterwards (it was ubuntu-server initially) [02:47] pytorch: It's there. The -f option. [02:47] pytorch: Are you sure you know what you are doing? [02:49] pytorch: Also, make sure you can actually boot OS updated like that - some... depends on the way how their hypervisor and/or solution has been set up... vendors sometimes don't allow you to boot any kernel, and they provide initrd and kernel image for you where you can only select what to boot. If this is the case for you, make sure your upgrade won't break things. [02:50] kwilczynski: its ok if i break things. If i can make it work, then i can replicate. If not, i just delete that machine [02:51] OK [02:56] anyone familiar with systemd-boot [02:58] Intelo: could you share your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? [03:01] Hi, I recently updated from 16.04 to 18.04 and now my linux headers are borked. [03:03] I can boot into 4.15.0 but I can't boot into 5.4.0 [03:04] https://a.pomf.cat/hnrcgs.png [03:05] anyone have nay ideas what's going on here? I'd really rather not have-to re-install my whole OS [03:07] RJ45: Some of the post-installation scripts are failing. This graphical window/UI interface lacks the details (console would also not say much, but it's easier to debug this), sadly. [03:07] soo.. am I just boned? [03:07] RJ45: could you first cleanup your old things like : sudo apt update then sudo apt autoclean then sudo apt autoremove [03:08] RJ45: Not necessarily. As per Sevenhill. :) [03:08] trying now [03:08] thanks [03:08] You can also try to force install/reinstall a package. [03:08] after all of them sudo apt install -f [03:08] Yeah. [03:09] tried sudo apt autoclean , resulted in a list of about 200 things with 'Del' before each item [03:09] And if this is failing completely, then as a _last resort_ you can either remove (and then re-install the package) or add "exit 0" at the top in the right files in the directory: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ [03:10] RJ45: That's most likely fine after an upgrade. [03:10] RJ45: autoclean just deletes cached .deb files [03:10] with systemd-boot, my /boot partition keeps getting filled with unwanted kernel drivers. i can delete them but each call to update-initramfs pulls them back down filling up the partition [03:10] it is %100 safe [03:10] how i can permanently remove entries so avoid filling the /boot partition? [03:10] malwar3hun73r: are we talking about efi ? [03:10] yes [03:10] "0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 302 to remove and 0 not to upgrade. 11 not fully installed or removed." [03:11] hmm, looks scary.. [03:11] you can just delete those files from that efi partition thats all [03:11] RJ45: first make sudo apt install -f [03:11] RJ45: Good luck! You are in good hands with Sevenhill here. [03:12] Bed time for me, sadly, as it's 5am :) [03:12] okay good thing I didn't just approve the uninstallation of all the xserver stuff [03:12] kwilczynski: nope i need to sleep [03:12] Night everyone. [03:12] Sevenhill: Haha. [03:12] :) [03:12] Sevenhill, i do delete them, but after a update-initramfs, they are pulled back [03:12] Sevenhill: Same here. [03:12] malwar3hun73r: that means you still have those linux-kernelas [03:12] malwar3hun73r: you just make sudo apt autoremove [03:13] RJ45: hope it wont be a problem otherwise you need to install whole [03:13] Sevenhill: Well, good night to you :) [03:13] Sevenhill, after deleting from /boot/efi? [03:13] but it might be a good thing you might switch to 21.04 :D [03:14] https://a.pomf.cat/ubzmps.png [03:14] malwar3hun73r: whenever you run sudo apt autoremove it will remove old packages which doesnt need anymore [03:14] result of install -f [03:15] Sevenhill, yeah, autoremove doesn't complete becuase /boot is full. i get an error [03:15] malwar3hun73r: give me df -h [03:15] RJ45: it stuck with a installation of broken package [03:16] Sevenhill, i can't copy paste b/c it's another computer, but /boot is 0 bytes free [03:16] :D malwar3hun73r just delete old efi entries from boot [03:17] Sevenhill: soo... I'm screwed? [03:17] RJ45: you still have one option [03:17] you can upgrade to 20.04 [03:17] so it will not use that package and probably solve your problem [03:17] I'd like to upgrade to 20.04 .. without wiping everything [03:18] you mean I can just skip the 18.04 upgrade entirely? [03:18] how? [03:18] Sevenhill, i did, but any command pulls them back [03:18] RJ45: sudo do-release-upgrade [03:19] malwar3hun73r: is it possible to show your system via teamviewer or ssh ? [03:19] lol you know you got problems when "Errors were encountered while processing:" is followed by every linux header you have [03:19] lmao [03:19] rofl [03:20] what do you mean by "show your system"? [03:20] lnxsoul: he is mentioning a problem about lack of freespace on efi partion [03:21] but he say whenever he deletes entries on efi partion , and type any command that files comes back [03:21] this is irrelevant, but funny [03:21] Sevenhill, no, it actually won't boot right now [03:21] it looks wieard [03:21] "You have to download a total of 2,685 M. This download will take / about 5 hours with a 1Mbit DSL connection and about 4 days 8 hours / with a 56k modem." [03:21] malwar3hun73r: how large is the drive? [03:21] Sevenhill, if i look in /boot/efi/EFI i have folders that exist from a time when i was dual booting [03:21] lnxsoul, the drive is 2TB [03:21] lnxsoul, the boot partition is 500MB [03:22] does anyone anywhere on earth still use a 56k modem? [03:22] malwar3hun73r: you will not delete anything you just delete old entries [03:22] malwar3hun73r: Are you booting in UEFI mode or Legacy mode? [03:22] RJ45: i have a us robotics in my attic [03:22] Sevenhill, it's not booting into a UI... it's a graphics driver issue and apt fails with "initramfs... returned errro exit status 1" [03:22] RJ45: Probably some tribe out there and someone just to do so for the hell of it [03:23] Sevenhill, if i delete the old entries from /boot/efi/EFI, any call to apt puts the back [03:23] malwar3hun73r: If you're booting from an ISO image, then I suggest rebuilding it and starting a fresh install [03:23] lnxsoul, UEFI [03:23] Hi all, Does anyone know of an application I could install that does the same as what I can find here : https://www.timeanddate.com/timer That is have multile timer running at the same time? [03:23] lnxsoul, no, i need the data on this drive [03:23] malwar3hun73r: Balena Etcher is great for that [03:23] malwar3hun73r: Ah... [03:23] malwar3hun73r: Well that is problematic [03:24] Sevenhill: can I borrow it to do the release upgrade? it'll only take 4 days 8 hours [03:24] lnxsoul, what is problematic? [03:24] malwar3hun73r: your situation. It sounds like the bootloader is corrupted [03:25] lnxsoul: as far as i understand he has lots of old linux-kernel images installed in his box and that fills the /boot/efi partition [03:25] lnxsoul, i can boot, the issue is that the /boot partition is full and i cannot complete an initram-fs [03:27] exit [03:27] oops [03:28] malwar3hun73r: just list installed linux-kernels first [03:28] Sevenhill, ? [03:29] malwar3hun73r: dpkg --list | grep linux-image [03:29] whether or not this release upgrade works, I'd just like to thank the regulars here for having the patience to deal with dribbling noobs such as myself :) [03:29] Sevenhill, ok [03:30] RJ45: by the way all you need backup your home folder if you just put it back to your new system all your settings will be there too [03:30] malwar3hun73r: I'll be back in a bit. Hopefully Sevenhill can resolve your issue. [03:30] i mean if all things doesnt fix your problem just backup your home directory [03:31] there must be a much simpler fix to remove unwanted items in /boot/efi? [03:31] malwar3hun73r: we are doing it but the problem initfs recreates them [03:31] Sevenhill: sure. but I can't just copy it all back over without there being a whole bunch of useless configs, and I wouldn't be sure which ones are the now useless ones [03:31] first let me know which images installed [03:32] so it'd still be a laborious task of selectively copying over things for a few weeks [03:32] RJ45: you dont need to know :D you will just backup your current user not the system [03:32] there are 5 - 3x 5.11.0 and 2x 5.8.0 [03:32] (maybe my process of doing this is retarded) [03:32] Sevenhill: I mean all the .local configs [03:33] malwar3hun73r: now we will remove them sudo apt remove linux-image-XYZ ( that xyz will be old names just use tab to autocomplete ) [03:33] Sevenhill, remove all of them? [03:34] nope just keep most recent [03:34] even you can use purge instead of remove [03:34] i mean sudo apt purge linux-imageXYZ [03:35] gotcha [03:35] aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa https://a.pomf.cat/cqvggt.png [03:35] (>_<) [03:36] RJ45: dont worry just give us a little time we will fix this [03:36] ok, now whatt? [03:36] Sevenhill: thanks man, I love you [03:36] malwar3hun73r: did you remove old ones [03:36] yes [03:36] malwar3hun73r: now make sudo apt autoclean then sudo apt autoremove [03:37] Sevenhill, autoremove fails because initramfs fails because /boot is full [03:37] and then just check if you have any old linux headers [03:37] malwar3hun73r: now i believe it wont be problem [03:37] nope, still a problem, i jsut confirmed [03:38] malwar3hun73r: now delete old entries in boot [03:38] so initfs wont create them [03:39] same problem [03:41] malwar3hun73r: hmm could you show me your list : dpkg --list | grep linux [03:41] i'd have to type it all out [03:41] RJ45: sorry i am keeping you [03:41] it's cool [03:41] malwar3hun73r: just take a shot with your phone and upload it to somewhere [03:41] I'm just glad anyone's willing to help me save this borked system [03:44] Ironically I put-off upgrading for as long as possible because I'm afraid of something breaking .. but because I did that it probably why something is broken [03:44] RJ45: could you just sudo apt remove dkms then sudo rm /var/lib/dkms then sudo apt install -f [03:45] what does dkms do? [03:45] that's something to do with package manager right? [03:45] dkms is for that graphics card drivers [03:45] oh ok, no idea guess I'll try [03:46] its long name is Dynamic Kernel Module Support [03:46] and that's what's likely massing things up ya think [03:46] "E: Unsupported file /var/lib/dkms given on commandline" [03:46] not just for graphics cards but generally you hear it for them :d [03:46] oh wait I'm dumb [03:46] ok go on [03:46] copied it wrong, 1 sec [03:48] RJ45: result ? [03:48] glad my system is still functional enough to use IRC and things already installed, because my laptop currently has no hard rive and no OS, all I got to bail me out is a live USB with Ubuntu Mate 20.04 on it XD [03:50] Sevenhill: 80% done [03:51] result of sudo apt remove dkms https://a.pomf.cat/wamoju.png [03:52] looks promising .. I think [03:52] good :D [03:52] gonna try sudo rm /var/lib/dkms then sudo apt install -f [03:52] sudo apt update then sudo apt dist-upgrade [03:52] no need to delete dkms anymore [03:52] oh ok [03:53] just do sudo apt update then sudo apt dist-upgrade [03:54] ah sh## here we go again.. https://a.pomf.cat/igqqvt.png [03:54] wish my luck (^_^) [03:54] me* [03:55] after all those finish we will remove your old kernels also [03:55] sweek [03:55] sweet* [03:55] thanks again Sevenhill for helping me with this, you are a literal 5 years of my life saver [03:56] dont thank me yet until we make your system works :D [03:56] and it is not special to me , in here if i werent here someone else also help you just like me [03:56] having to re-install EVERYTHING and reconfigure everything, for me, is a a hige pain in the ass of which takes about a month for me to be satisfied with how everything on my system is set-up [03:57] huge* [03:57] (idk why I can't type today) [03:57] Sevenhill: even if it don't end-up working, I have learned things from this [03:57] RJ45: believe me from 16.x to 20.04 almost everything changed [03:58] so nowadays most of them doesnt even need any configuration [03:58] so if you reinstall for example 21.04 maybe you wont need 90 percent of what you had configured [03:59] what I mean by configuration is changing preferences on every application [03:59] customising things.. installing about 200 things [04:00] I dont like gnome so i am not using ubuntu :D i couldnt say anything about its preferences things bu i am undertanding you [04:00] I liked Gnome before it wasn't gnome anymore. I liked Ubuntu 10.04 [04:01] now I use Ubuntu MATE on desktop, and Xubuntu on laptop :) [04:01] lets take you into real world brother just give a chance to kde in our next version [04:02] for me, the biggest deal-breaker with KDE, is not being able to adjust the size of the desktop panel in px [04:03] as soon as I saw it was just a slider with my px values I was like "this is the stupedest thing ever, I'm gonna use something eelse" [04:03] with no px values* [04:04] RJ45: check this one : file:///home/kde-dev/Pictures/Screenshot_20210506_070314.png [04:04] lol nice link [04:04] oops [04:04] hold up while I hack ur desktop [04:04] https://i.ibb.co/vcyv9W0/Screenshot-20210506-070314.png [04:05] okay this could go bad.. we'll see.. [04:05] all CPU cores pinned at 100% [04:05] can't take screenshots [04:05] and have a prompt to configure chromium [04:06] okay cpu cores back at around 20% and sound working again (sound stopped) [04:06] also progress at 20% [04:07] has been stuck at "==> Installing the chromium snap" for a while now.. [04:08] it will pass ( i think ) just wait :D [04:08] did you look the photo which i showed the link [04:09] lulz, if the whole OS crashes/panicks and I can't reboot, I won't be back here until I boot a live USB and re-install everything :| [04:10] RJ45: right now you have a working kernel you dont need usb :D [04:10] just got a-lot of 'failed' on some things in the install logs [04:10] still going tho [04:10] even now if you reset everything will work [04:10] dont worry be happy :) [04:11] I'd op-en that link to see the screenshot.. if I could.. [04:12] firefox for some reason ain't opening links now, also cpu at 100% woo [04:12] works now [04:13] Sevenhill: when did they finally implement px values for that? [04:13] long long time ago [04:13] and why the hell did it take so long for something like that to get implemented.. [04:13] been 5 years since I tried KDE admittedly [04:14] We almost write it from scratch :D [04:14] but I recall trying it a few years before that, and again a few years later, and it was the same [04:14] RJ45: if i were you i just download manjaro (kde version) on a usb stick and give a live boot check on it [04:15] you'd think something like PX values for the task bar would be something that has always existed [04:15] does KDE still have Plasma widgets? [04:16] sure [04:16] I don't rly care about those, 'cos I am almost never looking at the plain desktop [04:17] RJ45: just never try manjaro-kde otherwise you couldnt comeback to gnome ( it is a mandatory warning which i have to make ) [04:17] this whole distro upgrade disaster started because they were some packages that weren't available when I tried installing Chia (wanna start hard drive mining) [04:18] really really wanna install Chia [04:18] the biggest motivation for me to upgrade, is when I literally can't install things anymore XD [04:19] still using Winders 7 for some games [04:23] RJ45: what is the result of your process ( upgrade ) now ? [04:24] 79% [04:24] currently can't open audio files [04:24] dead silent here [04:25] :) dont worry it will be much better when you finish and reboot [04:25] audo works now yay [04:26] audio* [04:26] I should really cut back on how much weed I'm smoking, my short term memory is messed up [04:26] ain't even high right now [04:27] Progress: 97% [04:27] the last time i smoke weed was about almost 2.5 years [04:28] I started smoking beginning of this year [04:28] i never ever smoke if it is illegal in that location [04:28] and i stuck in here turkey last 2,5 year :( and here it is illegal [04:28] I live in an area with noisy neighbours and need something to cope with it in the summer [04:29] last summer I was hooked on a low dos of Etizolam, I wanted something healthier than that, so I switched to weed with year [04:29] but now that's starting be become somewhat unhealthy [04:29] okaaay all packages installed [04:30] installation triggers seem to be okay [04:30] is it finished (whole thing) ? [04:30] looks like it [04:30] now for the big finale, will I reboot successfully [04:30] can i get an screenshot [04:30] 1 sec [04:31] first things first [04:31] we remove old kernels [04:31] sudo apt remove linux-image-(press tab 2 3 times so you can get list) and send me screenshot ) [04:32] https://a.pomf.cat/tqvbag.png [04:32] do you mind if I reboot first? I just wanna be sure the new kernel works before we delete the others :) [04:33] sure go on [04:33] will hopefully be back in less than 2 minutes [04:33] i will sait [04:33] wait [04:36] Sevenhill: there is no such file on both working and non-working systems [04:37] wooo success! [04:37] kinda [04:37] Hexchat is displaying the bottom line of text with no padding [04:37] might be a config issue, no biggie [04:38] RJ45: now we need to remove old kernels [04:38] okie dokie [04:38] Sevenhill: I mean, no such file /etc/X11/xorg.conf [04:38] then install dkms again so your graphics card [04:39] ah thanks, i wouldn't have thought to do that [04:39] Intelo: i will return back to your problem first finish rj45's one [04:39] would you please spoon-feed me the commands for that? [04:39] heheh.. [04:40] RJ45: first sudo apt remove linux-image-(a couple tab 3 4 ) so you will see the list and share screen shot with me [04:40] Sevenhill: sure [04:41] not a big issue right now, but the system-monitor applet in my task bar is gone, and I can't seen to put it back [04:42] RJ45: still waiting you [04:42] https://a.pomf.cat/yiuhvs.png [04:43] I guess I just remove each one that isn't the highest version [04:43] just remove all the 4.15 ones [04:43] now this : sudo apt remove linux-image-4.* linux-image-generic-hwe-16* [04:45] lookin' gud https://a.pomf.cat/gpcyzg.png [04:45] RJ45: sudo apt install dkms [04:46] done [04:47] sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall [04:47] wait, I'm on Ubuntu MATE , will that command still work? [04:47] probably yeah [04:48] i am not using ubuntu :D just trying to make your system works better :D [04:48] IDK how you just remember all this stuff to do in this situation [04:48] most of them are common things [04:48] must have taken years of trial and error to learn [04:49] but to learn, and then remember it all, that's a real skill [04:49] "No drivers found for installation." [04:49] guess that's that then [04:49] life is too short to be experienced with JUST our own mistakes brother [04:50] can't learn from other people's mistakes if you can't see other people making mistakes [04:50] RJ45: what was your graphics card ? nvidia ? [04:50] guess that's why you hang here and help people [04:51] AMD R9 290X [04:52] to be honest i didnt come here to get help or give help , i come here to check a person ( a ubuntu packager ) so i will beg him to increase one of package's version so i can increase our dependency on our project :D [04:52] you know you always stuck the distro's versions even though you are upstream :D [04:53] that says a-lot about your character, in the face of boredom waiting here, you help others [04:54] thanks for saving my ass, right place right time :) [04:54] RJ45: i still suggest you to upgrade to 20.04 [04:55] doesn't the dist upgrade I just did mean that's happened already? [04:55] hmm [04:55] let me explain it like this [04:55] for example if you have windows7 , will windows update make it windows 10 ? [04:56] it will just updates the packages with in that range ( i mean it will update latest for 18.04 ) not even 18.10 [04:56] https://a.pomf.cat/dqpked.png [04:56] so do-release-upgrade makes it to 20.04 or even 21.04 [04:57] so you already run do-release-upgrade [04:57] does that screenshot mean I am on 20.04 now? [04:57] while we talked [04:57] I only wanna be on LTS releases [04:57] 32 gb ram ? wow [04:58] I think either you or someone else recommended I run that early on [04:58] yep it was me [04:58] I didn't want a swap file/partition [04:58] and at the time DDR3 was pretty cheap (people were upgrading to DDR4) [04:59] 32GB ram and occasionally I still crash.. very rare that happens, but it has happened [04:59] i have 24gb ram but still need 20gb swap file whenever i want to compile Qt [05:00] used-to run with 16GB and at the time Firefox had a big memory leak, which meant SWAP would fill up and would crash [05:00] RJ45: ok brother , it looks like your problem fixed [05:00] I can't thank you enough for all of your help [05:00] really [05:00] before i go for sleeping i want to at least try to help Intelo [05:01] oki [05:01] Intelo: could you again repeat your problem ? [05:01] RJ45: btw i am generally in #kde-devel room if you need help just visit [05:02] I have no idea why but for some reason there is a 146mb loop0 mounted now [05:03] RJ45: probably a snap [05:03] and probably chrome in snap [05:04] CONTENTS OF LOOP0: bin | data-dir | etc | firstrun | gnome-platform | lib | man1 | meta | snap | tests | usr | chromium.png [05:04] yep ur right [05:04] yeyyy [05:04] where is my reward :D [05:04] strange tho, I don't recall ever installing chrome as a snap package [05:04] i want a beer [05:04] weird [05:04] * RJ45 passes Sevenhill a joint [05:05] RJ45: not this month brother [05:05] maybe 2 weeks later [05:05] * RJ45 passes Sevenhill a tab of acid [05:05] i mean after ramadan finishes [05:05] lmao [05:05] fasting :D couldnt smoke , couldnt drink or couldnt eat :D [05:06] I'm hungry [05:07] last 6 days , so it almost finished :D [05:07] hmm looks like Intelo is away [05:07] so its time for me to leave and sleep a little [05:08] bye everyone [05:11]