[01:17] <DarkTrick> Bashing-om, "let me try again" what? was the libssl-dev message for me?
[01:21] <Bashing-om> DarkTrick: No, was directed to daum .
[01:25] <DarkTrick> :D
[01:25] <DarkTrick> :) *
[01:45] <ash_worksi> is it possible to install this on busybox? http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hirsute/man1/mkpasswd.1.html
[01:49] <leftyfb> ash_worksi: you can maybe try to include it in your  initrd
[01:49] <ash_worksi> hmm
[01:49] <ash_worksi> thanks
[02:28] <apb1963> 20.04; Dead window won't go away: https://snipboard.io/djCIpf.jpg
[02:41] <apb1963> whoa.  Right clicked on it and it went away.  That's normally a left click to select an option.  Hmm.
[02:43] <apb1963> What happened to the "show desktop" icon/widget thingy from 16.04?  I use that everytime I open libreoffice.
[02:44] <guiverc> 16.04 used the Unity Desktop by default; 20.04 uses GNOME by default, so it's unclear if you're talking about the same Unity desktop on both, or contrasting different desktops
[02:44] <guiverc> apb1963, ^
[02:44] <apb1963> I see
[02:44] <apb1963> I'm contrasting defaults :)
[02:44] <apb1963> But I didn't know it.
[02:45] <apb1963> guiverc, That explains a bunch.  Thank you
[02:45] <guiverc> Unity 7 desktop is available for 20.04; it's just no longer deault (and has some minor differences I understand)
[02:46] <guiverc> https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/ubuntu-unity-desktop
[02:46] <apb1963> Well I used to dislike gnome intensely...  Now that I know I'm  using it again... it's less horrible then I remember it being.
[02:46] <apb1963> I presume that means it's improved :)
[02:47] <guiverc> it's a modified GNOME... so gnome pureists probably aren't thrilled
[02:47] <apb1963> that's probably the part I'm liking.  lol
[02:47] <apb1963> Is there a way to modify the date display at the top?
[02:48] <apb1963> I want to see day of week
[02:48] <apb1963> omg it's friday already
[02:48]  * guiverc is not a GNOME user, but I'd look in gnome-tweaks  (saturday here)
[02:48] <apb1963> This is why I need DOW!  lol
[02:50] <apb1963> Where does one find these magical gnomes and their tweaks? :)
[02:50] <guiverc> nah sorry, I had a quick look in gnome-tweaks & don't see option
[02:50] <apb1963> 'k.  TY :)
[02:51] <apb1963> Well, back to the grindstone... maybe :)  Thx!
[02:51] <leftyfb> apb1963: https://extensions.gnome.org/
[02:51] <guiverc> I'd for sure recommend installing & looking gnome-tweaks though..  `gnome-tweaks | 3.34.0-2ubuntu1 | focal/universe   | source, all`   (note: I'm using LXQt/Lubuntu so what I see with it maybe less than idea)
[02:51] <guiverc> s/idea/ideal
[02:51] <apb1963> leftyfb, thank you
[02:51] <leftyfb> gnome tweaks is limited in what it gives you
[02:51] <leftyfb> Compared to extensions
[02:52] <apb1963> guiverc, there's a whole website & installation involved?  So not up for this.  Another time.  Thank you though!
[02:52] <guiverc> extensions yeah are involved.. gnome-tweaks is just an apt install
[02:52] <guiverc> but with limitations as leftyfb says
[02:53] <apb1963> Too much on my plate to spend time on a simple thing like this.
[02:53] <apb1963> I appreciate the effort though!  Thx guys!
[02:54] <leftyfb> huh? You go to the website no click install on the extension you want
[02:54] <leftyfb> Not sure how that is involved
[02:55] <guiverc> I stand corrected... apb1963 ^
[02:55] <apb1963> OK, that sounds pretty simple.  I'll take a look.
[02:56] <apb1963> Although GNOME Shell integration extension is running, native host connector is not detected. Refer documentation for instructions about installing connector.
[02:56] <apb1963> Ignore?
[02:56] <apb1963> Or declare not simple? :)
[02:57] <apb1963> Again... another time.  Thank you
[02:58] <guiverc> At times I've found it easy (extensions), other times not so, thus my 'involved' comment... once browser setup it's easy, but until then...  (sorry I'm not a gnome user)\
[02:59] <leftyfb> apb1963: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/gnome-shell-integration/
[02:59] <leftyfb> Sorry, forgot about the browser add on
[03:00] <leftyfb> They should be all you need
[03:11] <foxtwo> exit
[05:31] <wxMichael> I just installed Calibre and now links to websites in Kubuntu's Discover app are trying to open with Calibre's ereader, and I'm not sure where to fix that association.
[06:10] <endersending> I was wondering if someone could help. I dont use ubuntu that much, but I cant get the dhclient to work at boot
[06:11] <endersending> I modified /etc/network/interfaces, enabled NetworkManager.service, but doesnt work, I think I am missing something
[06:12] <endersending> systemctl ststus NetworkManager.serice says it cant open /run/network/ifstate
[06:12] <endersending> ifconfig doesnt work. maybe I am missing some tools?
[06:13] <wxMichael> (nvm on my issue. I fixed it by removing calibre's association with text/html files)
[06:15] <endersending> should I be using netplan? whatever that is?
[06:15] <wxMichael> I'm no expert on networking, but I do know that the "ip" command has kind of replaced ifconfig, but you can do 'sudo apt install net-tools' if you want ifconfig
[06:16] <Heisenberg> endersending: just run $dhclient <interfacce-name?
[06:18] <endersending> Heisenberg, I want it at bootup
[06:18] <endersending> I added stuff to the netplan/00-.yaml file.. rebooting to see if it works
[06:19] <Heisenberg> endersending: #nmcli con add type ethernet ifname <nic-name> con-name <nic-name>
[06:19] <Heisenberg> $nmcli con reload
[06:19] <endersending> looks like the netplan stuff worked. awesome
[06:20] <Heisenberg> endersending: cool
[06:37] <bibble> Dev 21.04 Desktop, put IPv4 & IPv6 DNS addresses in connection settings and applied, but still uses original ISP DNS.
[06:37] <bibble> How to change DNS nameservers?
[06:40] <bibble> Ah, the GUI settings seem to be appending then only. How to make the custom DNS the only nameservers?
[07:22] <floogy> Hi, is there anyone running mysql 8.0 and akonadi (and kontact, kmail) side by side on ubuntu >= 20.04?  https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=171177
[08:25] <ducasse> floogy: try #kubuntu
[08:27] <ksynwa> Hello. I just did a minimal install of Ubuntu. When I do `modprobe amdgpu`, the output is empty. Is this expected? I am on a laptop with amdgpu.
[08:57] <Deano59> when are we getting "openvpn 2.5.2" in 21.04?
[08:58] <Deano59> "Current Rel: 2.5.2 (2021-04-21"
[08:58] <Deano59> 21.04 has; OpenVPN 2.5.1
[09:11] <ducasse> a release typically doesn't get version upgrades after release, but you can ask for an !sru
[09:14] <ducasse> but for a non-lts odds are slim
[09:15] <Deano59> thanks!
[09:56] <Walex2> ksynwa: work here with a ryzen 5 with VEGA GPU, under 20.04
[09:56] <Walex2> ksynwa: if your GPU is very recent, try the 5.8 HWE kernels and Xorg server.
[10:28] <asenm> Hello, folks! Can someone help me how can I send logs with Rsyslog. When the log file is 2021-05-08-log.txt ? How to make Rsyslog to get the log file with current date?
[10:34] <ripper> hi
[10:34] <ripper> i have lubuntu 20.4  on a PC
[10:35] <ripper> recently i changed my monitor and it has DVI output port on it
[10:38] <ripper> but unfortunately the system can't set up the righ resulution and looks i have two screen which i have reached one of them and can't set it up by the graphical settings
[10:38] <ripper> by using xrandr i have some data that looks have two screen
[10:38] <ripper> May you help me please?
[10:39] <lotuspsychje> is your graphics driver loaded ripper? sudo lshw -C video to check
[10:39] <ripper> yes it does
[10:40] <ripper> my previus monitor had VGA output
[10:41] <ripper> the output of xrandr command is:
[10:41] <DarkTrick> what can I do, if my task manager cannot kill a process?
[10:41] <lotuspsychje> ripper: did you try xrandr --auto
[10:41] <ripper> Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 3200 x 900, maximum 4096 x 4096
[10:41] <ripper> VGA-1 disconnected primary (normal left inverted right x axis y axis)
[10:41] <ripper> TV-1 connected 1600x900+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 443mm x 249mm
[10:42] <ripper> and
[10:42] <ripper> DVI-I-1 connected 1600x900+1600+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 443mm x 249mm
[10:42] <ripper> by using xrandr --auto nothing happened
[10:42] <lotuspsychje> ok
[10:43] <lotuspsychje> ripper: can you pastebin; sudo lshw -C video plz?
[10:44] <ripper> you mean i paste the output of this command(sudo lshw -C video) on pastebin website?
[10:44] <Maik> ripper: yes
[10:45] <ripper> ok
[10:47] <ripper> https://pastebin.com/wQGqaCp7
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> ripper: ah, seems your nvidia card is on nouveau
[10:49] <ripper> yep
[10:49] <lotuspsychje> ripper: can you pastebin; ubuntu-drivers list please?
[10:49] <ripper> i couldn't install the nvidia driver
[10:51] <ripper> sorry but there is no output of the command
[10:53] <ripper> maybe the command should be (ubuntu-drivers debug)
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> ripper: how about; ubuntu-drivers devices ?
[10:54] <ripper> again nothing happened
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> ripper: want to pastebin your dmesg please?
[11:01] <ripper> sorry but all of my information is in this command
[11:01] <ripper> Don't you think if it be risky?
[11:02] <ripper> by making public
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> ripper: dmesg holds information about your system, not really personal information, but yes in the future there is a more restricted dmesg planned
[11:03] <ripper> yes i'm talking about hte system info
[11:03] <ripper> the*
[11:03] <ripper> not personal
[11:04] <lotuspsychje> its your choice to share ripper dmesg holds useful info so volunteers can help debug your issue
[11:04] <ripper> i see
[11:16] <ripper> https://pastebin.com/Ng3EVS7Y
[11:18] <lotuspsychje> ripper: best to share open without password so other volunteers can also read/help you
[11:23] <lotuspsychje> ripper: what i suspect is your older card only supports nouveau and just allows you to goto certain screen resolution
[11:24] <ripper> i see
[11:24] <ripper> you mean i cant use DVI?
[11:25] <ripper> by using xrandr command shows that the system recognized the DVI
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> ripper: your card doesnt have hdmi right?
[11:25] <ripper> no
[11:25] <lotuspsychje> so VGA or DVI should act the same
[11:25] <ripper> just two output one is VGA and the other one DVI
[11:26] <ripper> and i use DVI
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> ripper: what you could do is try a liveusb and compare, see if gets higher resolutions as a test
[11:27] <ripper> https://pastebin.com/QF5cw5yp
[11:27] <lotuspsychje> ripper: what are the specs/brand/model of your new monitor
[11:28] <ripper> LG FLATRON w2053TQ
[11:31] <lotuspsychje> ripper: its native res says 1600 x 900
[11:31] <ripper> yes
[11:31] <ripper> but it looks i have two screens by one monitor
[11:32] <ripper> my deck is in the other screen which i can't reach it
[11:32] <ripper> and don't know how to reach it
[11:33] <lotuspsychje_> !info arandr | ripper maybe try this tool
[11:34] <ripper> maybe if i could reach the display setting i would set it up by myself
[11:36] <ripper> i'm installing arandr
[11:36] <ripper> ok finished
[11:37] <ripper> by running arandr a new screen bomped up
[11:38] <ripper> i see two part one is TV-1 and the other one is DVI-I-1
[11:38] <ripper> think i need to deactive the TV-1
[11:39] <ripper> wow maaaaaaaaaaan
[11:39] <ripper> worked
[11:39] <ripper> :)
[11:39] <ripper> thank you very much
[11:43] <lotuspsychje_> !yay | ripper
[12:30] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:30] <Belial> are we able to bust an upgrade from 20.10 to 21.04 yet?
[12:41] <ducasse> afaik the upgrade path has not yet been announced open. last i heard, anyway.
[12:57] <Ublx> a question about xinput: when I want to map 2 to 3 is it 'xinput --set-button-map 2 3'?
[14:48] <mrkubax10> I cannot uninstall chromium, it tries to save snapshot of chromium snap for long time and then fails with this message:  (cannot create archive: tar: common/chromium/Default/Local Extension Settings/gighmmpiobklfepjocnamgkkbiglidom/003228.ldb
[14:52] <ioria> mrkubax10,  what cmd are you using ?
[14:54] <mrkubax10> Command I entered or terminal?
[14:54] <ioria> command
[14:54] <mrkubax10> sudo snap remove chromium
[14:55] <ioria> try   snap remove chromium  --purge
[14:56] <mrkubax10> It worked
[14:56] <ioria> ok
[14:57] <wxMichael> I have a Win10/Kubuntu21 dual boot set up and the linux side is unable to connect to my network via ethernet, but wireless and the win10 side work fine
[14:59] <ioria> wxMichael, i don' use dual-boot, but i'd try a complete win10  shutdown or restart the router
[15:13] <wxMichael> ioria: I'm not having any luck after rebooting the router. Win10 was already fully shut down (hibernation/fast boot is disabled)
[15:19] <wxMichael> Ethernet worked for a while after installing linux, but after maybe a day it just stopped being able to get an IP
[15:29] <ioria> wxMichael,  what's your hardware ? lspci -nnk | pastebinit
[15:31] <wxMichael> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/y6SXJhj3zv/
[15:32] <wxMichael> Could it be my router rejecting it for some reason?
[15:33] <ioria> wxMichael,  is network-manager running ?   ps -A | grep -i net | pastebinit
[15:33] <wxMichael> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/GGFDJN79z3/
[15:35] <ioria> wxMichael,  cat /etc/netplan/*.yaml | pastbinit
[15:36] <wxMichael> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cPmFSfRNg8/
[15:37] <ioria> wxMichael,  sudo cat /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/* | pastebinit
[15:38] <Ublx> i have mapped a button to Shift_L with xbindkeys and used the command "xdotool key 'Shift_L'". With xev or similar the button press shows Shift_L but it does not work for writing an 'a' for example. any ideas what I forgot?
[15:39] <wxMichael> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CPNNRDs37F/
[15:41] <ioria> wxMichael,  i don't see an ethernet device configured
[15:42] <wxMichael> Yeah, im not sure why its not in there. It was attempting to connect when i ran that command
[15:43] <wxMichael> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CKvwNhQ8XR/
[15:43] <ioria> wxMichael,  i'd try to disable wifi, go to nm-connection-editor and set the cable interface
[15:49] <bziktz> wxMichael: I see 2 possible reasons, or dhcp not configured for eth interface or router refuses dhcp request for some reason. let's check the config for eth interface.
[15:50] <bziktz> show the output run `cat /etc/network/interfaces`
[16:03] <wxMichael> ioria, I can't get it to connect. it just sits at "Setting network address"
[16:03] <wxMichael> If I set a static IP, it acts like it's connected but it isnt. The router doesnt see it
[16:03] <ioria> wxMichael, so dhcp and manual fail ?
[16:03] <wxMichael> yeah
[16:04] <ioria> wxMichael, let's see dmesg | pastebinit
[16:05] <tomreyn> this could be https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=191981
[16:06] <jeremy31> wxMichael: Can you set a static IP for it on the router?
[16:06] <TJ-> wxMichael: " Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Ethernet Connection I217-V " <--- well known to have problems due to power management settings set on the Windows side, if you do a warm reboot from Windows to Linux especially
[16:07] <TJ-> wxMichael: if it is the issue I'm referring to, the Rx side remains asleep but the Tx side is fine!
[16:08] <wxMichael> Is there any known fix/workaround for that?
[16:08] <TJ-> wxMichael: try this "sudo sudo ethtool --set-eee $INTERFACE_NAME eee off"
[16:08] <TJ-> wxMichael: replace $INTERFACE_NAME as appropriate
[16:09] <TJ-> oops, two many sudos above :)
[16:11] <tomreyn> https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/620766
[16:15] <TJ-> we do have a bug report on this from years ago. Amazing it still happens
[16:16] <wxMichael> ive but heads with a lot of old bug reports lately XD
[16:18] <TJ-> wxMichael: the problem is in the generic Windows driver for these, so we have to adopt a workaround
[17:01] <Deano59> I can't get apt-mark to work. it tries to still update the package/configure it.
[17:02] <tomreyn> apt-mark doesn't update or configure packages
[17:02] <Deano59> yeah, I want the packages to be ignored.
[17:03] <tomreyn> what did you do exactly?
[17:03] <Deano59> no idea.
[17:03] <tomreyn> hmm, try the "history" command, it should say
[17:04] <Deano59> always says this tomreyn; 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. 3 not fully installed or removed. - I want to ignore them, though.
[17:05] <tomreyn> halt installed / removed packages will remain in this (broken) state, you can try ignoring this state, but there's no mechanism for ignoring it as far as i know.
[17:05] <tomreyn> try fixing their states instead
[17:06] <Deano59> I'll look into it :) cheers.
[17:08] <leftyfb> Deano59: which packages do you want to ignore and why?
[17:08] <tomreyn> s/halt/half/
[17:27] <wxMichael> I'm trying to get debug symbols installed so I can troubleshoot/report a frequent kdeinit5 crash but not having much luck.
[17:28] <gebruiker> any good image editor like paint on windows?
[17:28] <wxMichael> I added the ddebs repost and keyring from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[17:28] <wxMichael> find-dbgsym-packages gives me a list of packages, but they're all either not found or not installable
[17:30] <wxMichael> gebruiker: Right now I'm trying out GIMP, Pinta, and Krita. Pinta might be closest to what you're looking for
[17:39] <IntelCore> Software Central? Why my Central no opens?
[17:40] <IntelCore> gnome-software %U
[17:40] <IntelCore> please?
[17:43] <leftyfb> IntelCore: what version of ubuntu?
[17:43] <Deano59> leftyfb: linux-image-5.11.0-16-generic & linux-image-virtual-hwe-20.04-edge & wireguard
[17:43] <leftyfb> Deano59: why?
[17:43] <Deano59> I try an update and upgrade, they always show they've failed.
[17:43] <Deano59> what you mean why?
[17:44] <leftyfb> Deano59: why do you need those 3 specific packages held back?
[17:45] <leftyfb> Deano59: also, if this is a bare metal machine, why you have linux-image-virtual-hwe-20.04-edge installed? If not, why do you have linux-image-5.11.0-16-generic installed?
[17:45] <Deano59> because it's annoying seeing it after apt update and upgrad every time I run it.
[17:45] <leftyfb> Deano59: why not upgrade them?
[17:45] <Deano59> leftyfb: because it fails. thought that was obvious.
[17:45] <Deano59> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[17:45] <IntelCore> leftyfb 20.04
[17:45] <leftyfb> Deano59: maybe fix the failed upgrades instead of sweeping it under a rug?
[17:46] <Deano59> leftyfb: if you can't help, tis okay...
[17:46] <leftyfb> Deano59: Please answer this first: if this is a bare metal machine, why you have linux-image-virtual-hwe-20.04-edge installed? If it's a VM, why do you have linux-image-5.11.0-16-generic installed?
[17:47] <Deano59> no idea.
[17:47] <leftyfb> Deano59: is it a bare metal machine or a VM?
[17:47] <Deano59> raspberry pi 4.
[17:47] <ksynwa> I am setting up i3wm in Ubuntu GNOME. I have gotten the font to look great on GTK applications but on qt applications it still look un-antialiased.
[17:47] <leftyfb> ugh
[17:47] <ksynwa> Any hints what I can do to rectify this?
[17:47] <leftyfb> Deano59: uname -a | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:47] <IntelCore> gnome fuzzy
[17:48] <IntelCore> hmm
[17:48] <Deano59> leftyfb: I'll ask waveform see if he knows. :)
[17:48] <leftyfb> Deano59: do you want help or not?
[17:49] <Deano59> well, obviously. but this isn't a standard ubuntu install. so I'll wait for waveform! thanks.
[17:49] <leftyfb> Deano59: that's not how this works. I am legitimately trying to help you.
[17:49] <leftyfb> Deano59: uname -a | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:49] <IntelCore> click on it, or press 'Launch' no software central
[17:49] <Deano59> Linux PiDesktop 5.11.18-v8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri May 7 12:39:21 BST 2021 aarch64 aarch64 aarch64 GNU/Linux
[17:50] <leftyfb> Deano59: ok, give me a moment
[17:51] <adder`> i'm fed up with leaving my computer over night only to find it unusable in the morning since ram usage somehow exploded and the swap file is full despite having 32GB, how would i go about checking what happened?
[17:51] <leftyfb> Deano59: you can safely remove linux-image-virtual-hwe-20.04-edge and linux-image-5.11.0-16-generic . No idea how those would have got installed to begin with
[17:51] <Deano59> adder`: sounds like the snap bug.
[17:51] <TJ-> leftyfb: Deano59  isn't the Ubuntu Pi image based on ubuntu-core?
[17:51] <blb4393> oh snap!
[17:52] <leftyfb> Deano59: please don't suggest that. There's nothing saying it's a snap bug
[17:52] <leftyfb> TJ-: yes, but it's also arm, so -generic kernels do not apply
[17:52] <Deano59> thought of that leftyfb but it removes wireguard, which I want to keep.
[17:52] <TJ-> leftyfb: indeed... I'm wanting to verify it IS a -core install
[17:53] <leftyfb> Deano59: if you try to remove either of those packages it removed wireguard?
[17:53] <Deano59> yeah
[17:53] <TJ-> wireguard kernel module maybe isn't in the pi-kernel package?
[17:53] <blb4393> adder`: have you tried to start htop, sort by memory and check what happens?
[17:54] <leftyfb> Deano59: apt-cache policy linux-image-5.11.0-16-generic | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:54] <IntelCore> clamAV 18.2
[17:54] <IntelCore> %
[17:55] <Deano59> leftyfb: https://termbin.com/6pk9
[17:56] <leftyfb> Deano59: so you're running 21.04 on this pi?
[17:56] <Deano59> yeah
[17:56] <leftyfb> Deano59: you do understand it'll be unsupported come January right?
[17:56] <Deano59> yeah
[17:57] <leftyfb> Deano59: ok, I'm just concerned you're running a firewall/VPN on something for only 9 months
[17:57] <Deano59> it takes about an hour to set-everything-back up, it's all good. ;P
[17:58] <IntelCore>  just try reinstall Cebter?
[17:58] <IntelCore> Center?
[17:59] <Deano59> leftyfb: Failed to create symlink to vmlinuz-5.11.18-v8: Operation not permitted at /usr/bin/linux-update-symlinks line 64.
[17:59] <leftyfb> IntelCore: what error are you getting when you run gnome-software %U ?
[17:59] <IntelCore>  and 6 not upgraded.
[17:59] <IntelCore> nothing..no error, and no o desktopopens t
[18:00] <IntelCore> like it stoned
[18:00] <leftyfb> Deano59: yeah, this is a bit of a mess. According to what you said, wireguard is pulling in x86 kernels as deps.
[18:00] <Deano59> yep, sucks.
[18:00] <IntelCore> it says 6 not upgraded..when i try re-install..
[18:00] <Deano59> I need WG for my vpn too.
[18:01] <IntelCore> is already the newest version (16.01+16.04.20160420)
[18:01] <leftyfb> Deano59: on 20.04 on my pi4, installing wireguard does not pull in anything other than wireguard and wireguard-tools
[18:02] <leftyfb> Deano59: something isn't right with your install, or with 21.04
[18:02] <IntelCore> oh, terminal says lots of files to auto-remove
[18:02] <IntelCore> sudo apt autoremove
[18:02] <IntelCore> that rite?
[18:03] <TJ-> leftyfb: aren't those just the userspace tools though? since wireguard is now in the kernel tree the dkms package is no longer used
[18:03] <leftyfb> TJ-: sure, but why does Deano59 have x86 kernels installed and deps for wireguard on their pi4 running 21.04?
[18:04] <TJ-> leftyfb: are they amd64 packages? or the aarch64 builts of the -generic et., packagse?
[18:05] <leftyfb> good point I guess
[18:05] <TJ-> just checked, so we know. wireguard entered mainline at v5.6
[18:05] <leftyfb> either way, why are they deps of the wireguard package for Deano59's install of 21.04 and not on my 20.04?
[18:06] <TJ-> looking at previous comments/pastes now - haven't been keeping up!
[18:07] <leftyfb> Deano59: I would try to remove those 2 packages and then reinstall wireguard and see if they get pulled back in
[18:07] <leftyfb> Deano59: I would remove --purge all 3 packages
[18:07] <IntelCore> bamf-2.index up now
[18:08] <leftyfb> Deano59: sudo apt remove --purge linux-image-5.11.0-16-generic linux-image-virtual-hwe-20.04-edge wireguard    # this is assuming what you said about rebuilding not taking long is still true. You might have to reconfigure wireguard from scratch
[18:10] <leftyfb> Deano59: not having linux-images that aren't -raspi should be the solution, not ignoring broken updates
[18:10] <TJ-> Deano59: is that an ubuntu-core install for sure?
[18:11] <IntelCore> Do need to check if this is installed, how?
[18:11] <IntelCore> gnome-software 3.28.1-0ubuntu4.18.04.15 (main)
[18:11] <IntelCore> it is for 20.04
[18:11] <leftyfb> Deano59: it's not ubuntu-core/snappy. It's aarch64 ubuntu
[18:11] <leftyfb> Deano59: ubuntu server to be specific
[18:11] <TJ-> leftyfb: OK, so different sets of packages and easier to figure out!
[18:12] <leftyfb> TJ-: technically, it's only snap packages. No apt
[18:13] <TJ-> leftyfb: indeed; I had the idea the 2 may have been mixed!
[18:13] <leftyfb> TJ-: nope, there is no apt/dpkg on snappy/ubuntu-core
[18:13] <TJ-> What is it with Canonical hiding easy finding of links to source / manifests for stuff like that too?
[18:15] <IntelCore> Reinstallation of software-center is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[18:16] <IntelCore> yup my gnome software center is !poof
[18:19] <IntelCore> I need to do this > sudo apt clean
[18:19] <IntelCore> what do i tell it to clean tho?
[18:20] <Atiz> Hi! In both Ubuntu 20.04.02 and Linux Mint 20.1  I get the same issue.  Both the live-cds and the install of Mint randombly thinks my desktop has a LAPTOP screen (1024x768, only option, 76Hz(!)), does not install the nvidia-drivers (or when they are installed, forgets them and can't install them til after reboot).
[18:21] <Atiz> This does not happen in Linux Mint 19.3.
[18:21] <Atiz> Is any ubuntu-savy person able to help with this?
[18:22] <IntelCore> 6 packages can be upgraded.
[18:22] <Atiz> Or rather, Linux debian/ubuntu/kernel savy.
[18:24] <IntelCore> Setting up gnome-software-plugin-snap (3.36.1-0ubuntu0.20.04.0)
[18:24] <IntelCore> but still App icon is saying (no)
[18:24] <TJ-> leftyfb: you know you suggested Deano59  remove linux-image-5.11.0-16-generic ? that is installed by the installer! From the file list of the install image "/pool/main/l/linux-meta/linux-generic_5.11.0.16.17_arm64.deb" http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily-live/current/hirsute-live-server-arm64.list
[18:25] <IntelCore> gnome-software %U
[18:25] <leftyfb> TJ-: 2021 May 08 13:49:41 <Deano59>	Linux PiDesktop 5.11.18-v8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri May 7 12:39:21 BST 2021 aarch64 aarch64 aarch64 GNU/Linux
[18:25] <leftyfb> they're not running that kernel
[18:26] <TJ-> leftyfb: I know, that was pulled in via the -hwe-edge package and you had him remove that :)
[18:26] <TJ-> leftyfb: I'm just concerned there is no over-arching unversioned package to ensure kernel upgrades are installed
[18:27] <leftyfb> TJ-: linux-image-virtual-hwe-20.04-edge is also on .16
[18:27] <IntelCore> well.. it would not open. Fro. So, I find it on Menu and, it opened..finally. After it was removed and the snap was installed.m top bar
[18:28] <cc77> Anyone else having problems with the nl mirror? apt-get will not work with them.
[18:28] <cc77> In kubuntu it doesn' t work.
[18:28] <IntelCore> ye. I am using gnome flashback. and desktop has top bar
[18:29] <leftyfb> TJ-: the pi kernel image packages end in -raspi. Anything else isn't a kernel that is going to boot on the pi
[18:29] <IntelCore> unity has bottom bar?
[18:29] <IntelCore> so i have top and bottom bars
[18:29] <tmm88> with nl ubuntu mirror?
[18:29] <tmm88> have you tried sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade?
[18:29] <IntelCore> ghostly  guru?
[18:30] <leftyfb> TJ-: to be clear, there's been no confirmation that Deano59 removed anything yet.
[18:30] <IntelCore> i dont want 21.04
[18:30] <tmm88> 20.04 please
[18:30] <IntelCore> i keep LTS
[18:31] <tmm88> it's generally a good idea to keep long term support
[18:31] <tmm88> but if you try to edit your mirrors list
[18:31] <IntelCore> that NL  will if u put certs back
[18:31] <tmm88> you have to run sudo apt update
[18:31] <tmm88> and sudo apt upgrade
[18:32] <cc77> tmm88: yeah with that mirror on kubuntu and I tried update and upgrade and that doesn' t work. When I go into sources.list and remove all the nl' s and so working with general mirror it works fine.
[18:32] <tmm88> then move to germany
[18:32] <tmm88> or any other near country
[18:32] <leftyfb> cc77: feel free to report mirror issues in #ubuntu-mirrors
[18:32] <tmm88> belgium switzerland whatver
[18:32] <leftyfb> tmm88: that's not helpful
[18:32] <cc77> ok leftyfb
[18:33] <IntelCore> slow Snap
[18:33] <tmm88> leftyfb: sorry for that regard
[18:33] <cc77> tmm88: I know how to fix it. I just want to know if it' s just me or if the mirror is down for others also.
[18:34] <leftyfb> cc77: your best bet is to report in #ubuntu-mirrors and wait for a response. We cannot do anything about mirrors here
[18:34] <TJ-> leftyfb: I know... I'm trying to make sense of where the manifest/lists are for those images. *Just* found the info I was after:  "linux-image-raspi 5.11.0.1007.5" @ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/hirsute/release/ubuntu-21.04-preinstalled-server-arm64+raspi.manifest
[18:35] <TJ-> so "linux-raspi" is the version-neutral virtual that keeps it up to date
[18:36] <TJ-> and finally  (!!) " /lib/modules/5.11.0-1007-raspi/kernel/drivers/net/wireguard/wireguard.ko" in linux-modules-5.11.0-1007-raspi
[18:37] <leftyfb> TJ-: ok, so that confirms we are built into the default raspi kernel. We still don't know why they've got the non-raspi kernels installed or why removing them removed wireguard (or so they say). Regardless, they're not responding anymore so I'm not going to worry about it till they do
[18:39] <TJ-> leftyfb: I'm more concerned with sharing the understanding of what is going on there. I suspect the "wireguard" package sohuld not have pulled in wireguard-dkms since that is an alternate depends with "wireguard-modules" which I suspect (but haven't confirmed as yet) may be a Provides: of linux-modules-$version-raspi
[18:40] <leftyfb> We haven’t determined wireguard-dkms is installed
[18:40] <TJ-> leftyfb: indeed, but 'wireguard' shouldn't be removed no matter
[18:40] <leftyfb> On my 20.04, -dkms does not pull in non-raspi kernels
[18:41] <leftyfb> I think some piece of information is being left out or is incorrect
[18:47] <Atiz> Ok. I'll give up for today...
[18:58] <IntelCore> does snap store give snap, and software center give program?
[18:58] <IntelCore> cas, i don't snap much
[18:58] <FreeBDSM> hello, I have an lvm-less partitioning. I have a disk with big ext4 and a small root partition. I'd like to shrink said ext4 to grow root partition. I googled this solution: https://access.redhat.com/articles/1196333 is step 4 really necessary?
[18:59] <IntelCore> redhat
[18:59] <VvdBergh> everything from redhat went to /dev/null when IBM took over control
[19:00] <leftyfb> IntelCore: please stop with the random comments
[19:00] <leftyfb> VvdBergh: how big is your boot?
[19:00] <IntelCore> ok. is it redhat?
[19:01] <VvdBergh> @leftyfb I have a /boot of 2592 MiB
[19:02] <leftyfb> VvdBergh: that is plenty. Remove some of your old kernels
[19:02] <leftyfb> If you still need help with it, use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition/ResizingPartition
[19:03] <EriC^^> FreeBDSM: can you share a pastebin of 'sudo parted -ls' output?
[19:03] <IntelCore> https://askubuntu.com/questions/24027/how-can-i-resize-an-ext-root-partition-at-runtime
[19:03] <IntelCore> might help VvdBergh
[19:03] <VvdBergh> @leftyfb help with what? I did not ask a question yet
[19:03] <leftyfb> Ugh, sorry, wrong person
[19:04] <VvdBergh> I only send redhat back to /dev/null :)
[19:04] <FreeBDSM> EriC^^: this mounted all disks :(
[19:04] <EriC^^> FreeBDSM: typically you're going to have to use something that can move the whole fs backwards or forward to use the space that gets unallocated after you shrink the fs
[19:04] <IntelCore> bye
[19:05] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: ls -l /boot/ | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:05] <EriC^^> FreeBDSM: it should show the partition tables of all disks, no mounting
[19:05] <FreeBDSM> EriC^^: but it did both
[19:06] <FreeBDSM> EriC^^: I don't have enough free space to move the whole fs. But said fs I'd like to shrink has a lot of free space
[19:06] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: can you paste the link from the above command?
[19:06] <VvdBergh> why does the topic of the channel state that Ubuntu 16.04 is supported while it actually is supported via payed extended support at this time?
[19:06] <FreeBDSM> EriC^^: relevant disk is this: https://paste.sh/yqH3XSGG#XCc7GDijQ67wGXomh862kYgu
[19:07] <EriC^^> FreeBDSM: parted for sure doesnt mount anything, but i think you need to use something like gparted to shrink one and move and expand the other
[19:07] <EriC^^> FreeBDSM: ok, so you want to shrink the home partition and add the space to the root fs?
[19:07] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: ls -l /boot/ | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:08] <VvdBergh> @EriC^^  @FreeBDSM that is right. Best practice is to use a Gparted Live session with your drives not mounted while resizing partitions
[19:08] <leftyfb> EriC^^: I do not feel increasing the space is is the solution. It’s only going to postpone needing to do it again if they don’t get their system cleaned up and setup properly
[19:08] <FreeBDSM> leftyfb: https://paste.sh/pfAItetk#Ce0pEzQPxpCGZ6j7fZmNnUKS
[19:09] <FreeBDSM> EriC^^: no, I want to shrink mediaNbackups partition to grow xubuntu-root
[19:10] <FreeBDSM> leftyfb: what's improper about my setup?
[19:10] <EriC^^> leftyfb: that's a good point
[19:10] <leftyfb> Oh. My bad, I originally misread root as boot
[19:11] <EriC^^> although i wonder if he has a bad log running, or nothing out of the ordinary, root is kind of small at 30gb
[19:11] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition/ResizingPartition
[19:11] <leftyfb> Use a live cd/usb and gparted
[19:12] <Simplar> Hello! Does Ubuntu 21.04 have the problem with RST like 20.04/20.10 had?
[19:12] <EriC^^> FreeBDSM: gparted for sure, shrink the ext4 and move home and media, and expand root
[19:12] <Deano59> leftyfb, you're right! just went through an install of ubuntu 21.04 server and the problem doesn't happen. :/
[19:13] <leftyfb> Deano59: did you wipe the old install.
[19:13] <EriC^^> FreeBDSM: if you want, maybe it's worth looking into why root is so full, it could just be a bad log or such
[19:13] <FreeBDSM> EriC^^: no, it's docker images
[19:14] <EriC^^> ok
[19:14] <FreeBDSM> and, well, I just have a lot of software
[19:14] <FreeBDSM> using live usb sounds so 2000
[19:14] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: that is your easiest and safest way
[19:16] <FreeBDSM> there is nothing ever easy or safe about working with partitions with data
[19:16] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: backups are assumed otherwise the data is not important
[19:17] <FreeBDSM> relying on restoring from backup means not knowing what you do
[19:17] <leftyfb> False
[19:17] <TJ-> just for completion: linux-image-generic Provides: wireguard-modules
[19:18] <FreeBDSM> true, because if you knew what you do - you knew your wouldn't need a backup for this operation
[19:18] <leftyfb> TJ-: that doesn’t explain the -virtual image
[19:18] <FreeBDSM> (though you need backups just generally)
[19:20] <TJ-> leftyfb: I left that behind ages ago, just wanted to finish off the explanation for wireguard on post v5.6 kernels
[19:20] <FreeBDSM> should have gone with LVM, it looks easier to manage, because with it I can simply not care which partition is where, just have some free space in vg and extend whatever LV I want using that free space whenever I like, live without rebooting and/or booting into live cd/usb
[19:27] <Deano59> nope, it's on a different SSD - why leftyfb ?
[19:28] <leftyfb> Deano59: SSD?
[19:31] <leftyfb> Deano59: I'd be interested in looking at: apt-cache policy wireguard wireguard-dkms wireguard-tools linux-image-5.11.0-16-generic linux-image-virtual-hwe-20.04-edge
[19:31] <V|A> hai all
[19:31] <Heston> hey guys, is there still an issue with memtest86 on newer versions of ubuntu? I'm getting freezes with 21.04 on two different systems
[19:31] <V|A> how would i go about refreshing my GPU driver im using ubuntu-studio
[19:31] <Heston> whereas older versions run fine
[19:31] <V|A> when i instaleld it i was astounded to see everything just work snappy AF out of the box
[19:32] <V|A> because gpu is same vendor just different model i just naively assumed that on boot up it would run as good again
[19:32] <V|A> Heston the memtest included with my distro, didnt work for shits
[19:33] <V|A> i had to install the new verison
[19:33] <V|A> i think includedwith mine is 5 or 5.3 or something and if not mistaken i downloaded something 9
[19:33] <Heston> V|A, yeah there was a known issue since ubuntu 19 or 20
[19:33] <V|A> Heston mine?
[19:33] <V|A> or memtest
[19:33] <Heston> memtest
[19:34] <Heston> they include memtest86 5.01
[19:34] <V|A> the channel for my distro didnt like me once
[19:34] <V|A> yea i suggested them to include something working instead
[19:34] <V|A> but they just kindly asked me to say "its thank you not thx"
[19:34] <V|A> and when i friendly rejected that was that == kban
[19:34] <V|A> lulz
[19:35] <Heston> im guessing your distro is built off debian or ubuntu since that's where it's originating from
[19:37] <V|A> off ? i dont understand
[19:37] <V|A> OH
[19:37] <V|A> oh yea right
[19:37] <V|A> yes ofc its debian i was told ubuntu is debian
[19:37] <V|A> so yea its built off ubuntu
[19:37] <V|A> but generally love it
[19:38] <payal__> help: The initramfs will attempt to resume from /dev/sdb7 which is my swap partition ...from where i can change UUID of the same
[19:38] <leftyfb> V|A: which distro are you running?
[19:39] <leftyfb> V|A: oh, nm, you said ubuntu-studio
[19:39] <V|A> yea i have no clue how to geet GPu drivers working
[19:39] <V|A> do i boot with the disk again?
[19:39] <V|A> the search for additional drivers doesnt display anything
[19:40] <leftyfb> V|A: then there are none available, none that are officially supported here anyway
[19:43] <FreeBDSM> I have windows installed on another disk (ssd), can I convert it into a virtual HDD within from ubuntu so that I could run it as a VM?
[19:43] <FreeBDSM> if this plan succeeds - I could then partition that ssd and maybe even install newer version of ubuntu there and just migrate there
[19:44] <V|A> my that would be a pickle
[19:44] <FreeBDSM> well, not sure yet if I want newer version, because afaik ubuntu degraded
[19:44] <V|A> a very sour pickl
[19:44] <V|A> i just try the update route ...
[19:44] <FreeBDSM> nah, that'd probably break a lot of stuff, it's linux afterall
[19:45] <FreeBDSM> the OS of tomorrow
[19:45] <V|A> its running 1280x768 im almost conviced something that makes it run a tiny bit better is out there
[19:45] <cbreak> it is possible
[19:45] <V|A> clean install also doesnt take long
[19:46] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: please stop with those comments.
[19:46] <cbreak> I think I dded the contents of my windows SSD to my linux machine via ssh, and then did something I forgot, to use it in virtual machine manager
[19:46] <V|A> me setting up the software take longer :/
[19:46] <FreeBDSM> leftyfb: huh?
[19:46] <cbreak> FreeBDSM: you should use ZFS
[19:46] <V|A> i think i have made notes how i can get what i need with a handful of lines
[19:46] <FreeBDSM> cbreak: zfs is too complex for me and also it's mostly for bsds
[19:46] <cbreak> FreeBDSM: no
[19:47] <Heston> V|A, https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-install-the-nvidia-drivers-on-ubuntu-20-04-focal-fossa-linux
[19:47] <V|A> i have a radeon
[19:47] <cbreak> zfs is fairly cross platform
[19:47] <V|A> but thx Heston
[19:47] <cbreak> and it's not that hard to use...
[19:47] <cbreak> FreeBDSM: and it will prevent your system from degrading
[19:47] <cbreak> or at least it'll tell you, even if you don't have redundancy
[19:47] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: this is a support channel. Keep the negative remarks about “Linux” and the distro you are running to yourself
[19:48] <cbreak> FreeBDSM: of course, it doesn't replace backups
[19:48] <FreeBDSM> cbreak: it is very different from other systems to the point that it's scary. It requires a lot of RAM. The bigger your ZFS the more RAM you need.
[19:48] <cbreak> not really
[19:48] <FreeBDSM> leftyfb: they aren't negative or positive remarks, they are valid points for not updating (which was suggested to me)
[19:48] <Heston> V|A, which card and what version of ubuntu?
[19:49] <V|A> i think 20.04 and a 6900xt
[19:49] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: they are negative. Please stop
[19:49] <V|A> i see amd has linux drivers all well
[19:49] <FreeBDSM> I love linux and all, but it's still an OS of tomorrow, I just don't lie to myself about it.
[19:49] <V|A> amsure its gonna work, just going through stupid interwebs with broken links ..
[19:49] <leftyfb> !ot | FreeBDSM
[19:50] <FreeBDSM> leftyfb: I need support. I am at the point where I have multiple possible ways to go, so I need to assess them all.
[19:50] <V|A> leftyfb to be honest i read almost everything FreeBDSM write absolutely neutral
[19:50] <V|A> but ur asking nice so idk what its about
[19:51] <FreeBDSM> V|A: that's not nice, he's a mod and he wants to kick & ban me, he just wants me to cross some red line to make it seem 'justified'
[19:51] <FreeBDSM> I don't know why though
[19:52] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: since you’re talking about a docker container, https://stackoverflow.com/a/32488333
[19:52] <V|A> found the drivers again
[19:52] <V|A> how to install that tar.xz or what was the ending dang
[19:53] <Heston> V|A, https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-amdgpu-unified-linux-20-45  apparently you can download the driver there and it has installation instructions
[19:53] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: feel free to rant all you want in #ubuntu-offtopic. This is a support channel. Whether or not I’m a mod doesn’t matter.
[19:54] <FreeBDSM> leftyfb: I don't have problems with docker, I don't want to limit it. I just made a mistake thinking 30gb for root partition would be enough. I did another mistake installing Ubuntu NOT on LVM.
[19:54] <FreeBDSM> and now I'm stuck. I have lots of free space but it's all useless :(
[19:55] <V|A> <3 Heston. im a knob and dont know how i install the files
[19:55] <V|A> its downloading
[19:55] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: then if it’s a bare metal install, use a live usb using the instructions you’ve been given. That is your best option. Good luck
[19:56] <V|A> im really convinced it bootet quicker. could a faulty gpu, that went through testing with unconclusive results, account for that?
[19:56] <V|A> just theorizing i dont know whats tested in the boot sequence
[19:57] <Heston> V|A, yeah just read the /doc/index.html in the tar you just downloaded
[20:00] <Heston> V|A, actually there's a newer one at https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-6000-series/amd-radeon-6900-series/amd-radeon-rx-6900-xt
[20:01] <V|A> i have install scripts
[20:01] <V|A> just looked like there were 2 of them
[20:01] <V|A> installgpu and installgpupro sort of
[20:02] <V|A> ok doc index hmhm noted thanks sir
[20:03] <FreeBDSM> leftyfb: that's a possible plan, but I don't want to make new mistakes, so I need to assess it first. Someone here suggested to go with ZFS. I also mentioned that I might be in need of somehow moving to a more recent version of Ubuntu (I'm currently stuck on 18.04) and thus it might be better to just kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Since I know updating major version would break a lot - I might just go with a fresh install. This operation is
[20:03] <FreeBDSM> better be done onto a separate disk, but then I'd need to free up some disk (I have free disk space, but not free disks), and thus it's another problem. Nothing ever is plain and simple.
[20:04] <V|A> anyone having an idea if i want the amdgpu or amdgpu pro version?
[20:04] <V|A> dont wanna read through a ton of doc before coming to the conclusion that limitation isnt helping
[20:05] <V|A> just went with the first thing
[20:05] <V|A> i realize this card has so much power i wont be touching the limit for a while i think
[20:06] <V|A> :}
[20:06] <Heston> i would only use pro if the first doesn't work. pro includes some proprietary stuff
[20:06] <V|A> AH NO UH AH  problems i have held broken packages
[20:06]  * V|A cries
[20:07] <V|A> thank you Heston <3
[20:07] <V|A> this is the shit u know whwne u have experience
[20:07] <V|A> i expect similar errors however
[20:07] <Heston> welcome
[20:09] <V|A> dang now it says is already installld or not correctly pls cotntinue with ...
[20:10] <V|A> going to mess with windows for a change
[20:14] <leftyfb> FreeBDSM: upgrading between LTS releases does not “break a lot”
[20:36] <V|A> anyone have an idea on stability of KFC vs KDE as gui on linux
[20:36] <V|A> well ubuntu
[20:36] <V|A> derbien
[20:37] <Maik> derbien?
[20:37] <V|A> i found kfc to be better on every aspect
[20:37] <shibboleth> derpian
[20:37] <V|A> haha derp + bien sry im foolin
[20:37] <V|A> yeeee shibboleth  :D
[20:37] <V|A> i mean debian
[20:38] <V|A> i found KFC notably better in every aspect
[20:38] <Maik> why not name it that right way...
[20:38] <V|A> and i know its called different but i can remember KFC much better
[20:38] <V|A> its puts a smile on some ppl
[20:38] <Maik> if you want to bash another OS please do so elsewhere
[20:38] <V|A> no mate i love ubuntu
[20:38] <V|A> i am not being negative
[20:39] <Maik> still
[20:39] <V|A> sry maybe i shouldjust try to be les humorous on support channels
[20:39] <Maik> would be the best
[20:39] <V|A> xfce is better
[20:39] <V|A> but if someone tells me the other might have stability improvements
[20:39] <V|A> the best is often a matter of opinion
[20:40] <Maik> V|A if you don't have any support questions either move to #ubuntu-discuss or #ubuntu-offtopic
[20:42] <V|A> ahh ic
[20:42] <V|A> im not aware of all the subchannels
[20:46] <Maik> i doubt that since you been around here a couple of times before
[20:46] <Maik> but ok
[20:47] <V|A> question, is there an option to reset/reinstall the whole OS
[20:47] <V|A> interesting how assumptuous people are maik
[20:49] <V|A> loike form itself, i do not have the correct boot medium currently
[20:49] <dev4449> Hi. Good day. My system( dual boot windows 10 and ubuntu 20.04) had an issue, grub wasn't appearing after I shutdown windows 10 once. I was suggested to disable 'fast startup' on windows, I did it, but it didn't fix the problem, I actually changed the order of boot in BIOS to first ubuntu, then windows, that fixed the problem, now if I  shutdown
[20:49] <dev4449> windows, everything's working fine. My system is now working fine and I'm in Ubuntu now, is there anything else I should do, or be worried about?
[20:51] <tomreyn> dev4449: windows doesn't exactly ensure that other operating systems will continue to work in a multi-boot setup. in other words, it's possible that it may reconfigure your system to boot to windows' boot loader again when it rolls out another update.
[20:52] <dev4449> tomreyn: Oh, okay, so for now the system is okay?
[20:53] <tomreyn> dev4449: there's not really a fix for this unless your firmware can prevent boot loader changes or you place the boot loaders on read-only media. the better approach, in my opinion, is to run one OS bare metal and any other virtualized.
[20:53] <tomreyn> i could only comment on "for now the system is okay?" based on what you said above, where you're basicallysaying that it's now doing what you wanted it to.
[20:55] <dev4449> tomreyn: Yeah, now the grub menu shows up and both windows and ubuntu work fine, even after shutting down windows everything is okay. I can't actually have only linux or windows on my machine, due to my work.
[20:55] <tomreyn> V|A: not really, no. you should always keep a ready-made ubuntu live / installer for the same (or upgrade target release) handy
[20:56] <tomreyn> dev4449: even if one onf them runs in a VM?
[20:56] <TJ-> dev4449: thanks for telling us the issue - we should have thought that it had simply changed the default boot entry! But, as you said/implied iWindows was booted immediately that is usually a sign that Windows fast start is operational
[20:56] <TJ-> dev4449: we could have checked/changed that using "efibootmgr"
[20:57] <dev4449> TJ-: I only changed the order in BIO.
[20:57] <dev4449> BIOS*
[20:58] <dev4449> tomreyn: Yes. I'd rather have both windows and linux natively.
[20:58] <TJ-> dev4449: one tip here - there should be a key you can press at boot-time that'll bring up the firmware's manual boot selector, where you can choose which OS or device you wish to boot from
[20:59] <dev4449> TJ-: That's exactly what came to my mind at that time. maybe if windows rolls out an update that changed my boot stuff I use that trick.
[20:59] <dev4449> Seems dual booting has it's own drawbacks.
[20:59] <TJ-> dev4449: we had the impression firmware was skipping the boot entries due to fast start
[21:00] <TJ-> dev4449: it's much better with UEFI than it ever was with BIOS!
[21:00] <dev4449> TJ-: By BIOS, I meant the firmware settings menu that we enter before the operating system boots.
[21:01] <dev4449> Both windows 10, and ubuntu are installed in UEFI on my machine.
[21:02] <V|A> ty tomreyn!!!!!
[21:05] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[21:07] <dev4449> Thanks channel
[21:07] <V|A> is useful advice. i already planned making a acollection of bootmediums on sd card, but $$. but specifically having a bootmeadium at hand for a single target sounds smart
[21:07] <V|A> im assuming ubuntu offers repait options
[21:07] <V|A> *r
[21:09] <tomreyn> there's !recovery - but it won't help much if you don't know how to recover, or what needs to be recovered.
[21:10] <V|A> ahh lovely to know. expected things to go "smoothly" as on windblows.
[21:11] <tomreyn> just have current backups of your data (and maybe your configuration) and be ready to reinstall at any time, manually or fully automated.
[21:13] <mathstuf> hi, i have finally managed to install the dbgsym symbols for qt5 after weeding out old, outdated guides online
[21:14] <mathstuf> however, the sources still elude me
[21:14] <mathstuf> apt-get source just extracted them into a local directory
[21:14] <mathstuf> which seems...less than useful
[21:15] <tomreyn> mathstuf: then don'T apt-get source them, use the binary packages.
[21:15] <mathstuf> yeah, im using the system packages
[21:15] <mathstuf> but gdb isnt finding sources
[21:15] <mathstuf> has line numbers from dbgsym packages
[21:15] <mathstuf> but doesnt know whats on each line
[21:16] <tomreyn> maybe you're still missing some debug symbols?
[21:16] <TJ-> mathstuf: are you installing the -dbgsym packages for the binary packages you wish to debug?
[21:16] <mathstuf> yes, gdb has *something*
[21:16] <mathstuf> 0x00007ffff686eec2 in initFontUnlocked () at kernel/qguiapplication.cpp:249
[21:16] <mathstuf> 249     kernel/qguiapplication.cpp: No such file or directory.
[21:16] <mathstuf> (gdb) list
[21:16] <mathstuf> 244     in kernel/qguiapplication.cpp
[21:17] <tomreyn> !paste | mathstuf
[21:17] <mathstuf> ah, sorry
[21:18] <tomreyn> which *-dbgsym packages did you install?
[21:18] <mathstuf> libqt5gui5-dbgsym:amd64              5.12.8+dfsg-0ubuntu1
[21:18] <TJ-> mathstuf: OK, you've got symbols (they're installed where gbd knows to look for them). but you need to pass gdb a -d|--directory= argument for EACH directory where source code exists
[21:18] <mathstuf> nothing found `libqt5base5-dbgsym`, so thats as close as i could get
[21:19] <mathstuf> hrm, thats...inconvenient
[21:20] <mathstuf> (very used to fedora where this all Just Works)
[21:23] <mathstuf> ok, `directory /path/to/apt-get/source/extraction/subdir` worked inside gdb
[21:24] <mathstuf> thanks
[22:04] <V|A> what does "commin interrupt no irq vector for handler mean" i get that on uefi
[22:04] <V|A> mebe not on bios havent tried install processes r different
[22:13] <V|A> lol installer got stuck. what should i select as mountpoint and filesystem?
[22:13] <V|A> i recall ppl not being happy about exfat. if thers something better ill probably take that
[22:14] <V|A> i chose its merely on being aware that ots compatible between linux and windblows
[22:16] <jeremy31> V|A:  you need a mountpoint for / and the filesystem could be ext4
[22:16] <Bashing-om> V|A: For ubuntu I suggest the file system as "ext4" - unless you have an over-riding reason for another file system - and mount point is "/".
[22:28] <V|A> haha. i just went with this ZFS or smthn
[22:28] <V|A> ty tho <3
[22:28] <V|A> just thought y not try another option, it might help troubleshoot eh
[22:29] <V|A> good to know ppl support exfat
[22:29] <V|A> yes jeremy31 i think i do a have a general lack of knowledge regarding mountpoints
[22:30] <V|A> so i didnt ask abut knowledge just whats probably better to choose when installing
[22:30] <jeremy31> V|A: I think exfat is just need for EFI System Partition
[22:30] <V|A> im not sure what changed, but this install i was not asked about mountpoints? lul
[22:30] <V|A> interesting
[22:30] <V|A> damn. it says downloading language packs i hate that how could you
[22:31] <V|A> any DEVS IN HERE???"?"
[22:31] <V|A> why how .. why
[22:31] <jeremy31> V|A: I doubt it
[22:31] <V|A> i selected my language AND MY LOCATION SEPERATELY
[22:31] <V|A> yet you clown force my machine to download language packs ( i assume )based on my location
[22:31] <V|A> thats ... not .. helping
[22:32] <jeremy31> V|A: I install without internet connection
[22:32] <V|A> jeremy31 i agre 200% always did and wanna
[22:33] <V|A> but i just  try various other ways for now for the sake of empirical knowledge for troubleshooting on this
[22:33] <V|A> could this be "upgrades" on languagepacks?
[22:34] <V|A> on windows odd shit happens. i select english OS language, YET many items of the system ONLY EVER display in german based on the tiezone i selected , truly a cancer
[22:34] <jeremy31> V|A: It could be and I think they get removed later anyhow.  I quit installing with internet connection after some grub issues caused by updates
[22:34] <V|A> good to know jeremy31 thanks!!! i never installed with internet ;)) ever. never.
[22:35] <V|A> i do now to see if the outcome might be different on a big scale
[23:03] <Intelo> Seveas: Still around?
[23:31] <createchange> Hey there! Looking for assistance with Multipass on a Mac. I have an instance that refuses to start, with the following error: start failed: The following errors occurred:
[23:31] <createchange> graylog2: timed out waiting for response". This instance has previously been running - this is not a launch of a new instance. I have other previously created instances that do start, so this is the outlier in that regard.
[23:31] <createchange> I am user the hyperkit driver, and modifying that to virualbox makes the specific instance no longer appear.
[23:32] <createchange> After starting the instance times out, the instance is left in state: "Unknown"
[23:33] <leftyfb> createchange: what version of ubuntu?
[23:33] <createchange> 20.04
[23:33] <createchange> mulitpass version: multipass  1.6.2+mac
[23:33] <leftyfb> createchange: oh, your issue is with multipass for mac. Not the client OS
[23:34] <leftyfb> createchange: sorry, not an ubuntu issue
[23:37] <createchange> leftyfb, you're right - my mistake. Thanks!
[23:38] <tomreyn> createchange: type this at the start of a line:  /join #multipass
[23:38] <tomreyn> no leading spaces
[23:38] <tomreyn> or try here https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/multipass/21
[23:38] <createchange> Way ahead of you :)  I tried using the discourse page, but appear unable to start a topic.
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