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[02:50] <saivinob> guiverc: The link on launchpad Lubuntu-QA page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/QA does not redirect yet. 
[02:51] <guiverc> thank you saivinob, appreciated.. That page is one we should have re-direct... 
[03:00] <guiverc> fixed for me in chromium; (not firefox where I made change, but that's likely my cache so I'm pretty sure fixed), thanks again saivinob 
[03:02] <saivinob> It is redirecting to https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/testing/ now (on firefox, I mean)
[03:02] <guiverc> that's what I felt was best page..  tell me if you're aware of a better page of course
[03:04] <guiverc> saivinob, you asked yesterday about timezones.. we've had issues because of free sites disabling API's for location so have had to change it a few times since using calamares; that could be why manual is sort of out of place; but I'd be tempted to watch it as I do have odd days where it misbehaves (weird results back from because they were overloaded or had to many free requests & so returned null/vague results for a few mins) (report as 
[03:04] <guiverc> bug so others will watch for it too, I'm forgetful anyway)
 wait is the manual out of place?
[03:06] <guiverc> @lynorian, location data question yesterday; I don't think it's worth anything beyond 'watch' currently
[03:09] <saivinob> Yes. I think manual is OK in that, it is the expected behavior. Anything else would be a bug. I had issues with local server (mirror) on Kubuntu (not syncing) recently and compared with Lubuntu which is set to 'Main Server'. I had not bothered to question it till I read in manual that location service sets software sources to nearest server.
[03:10] <guiverc> sorry my response may have been incorrect or partially incorrect, I forget the server part..   my apologies.
[03:13] <guiverc> did we have an open (recently closed maybe) on calamares & OEM option; it's a change I'm looking for to explain issues with focal daily?   anyone recall?
[03:15]  * guiverc has found what I maybe remembering (1901056) but no change from us..
[04:00] <saivinob> Speaking of calamares, what are luks and luks2 file systems? They are available under manual partitioning but when I tried the installer crashed. Tested on 21.10 daily build as well as 20.04 iso.
[04:07] <saivinob> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-packaging is the correct place to look for Lubuntu bugs right? I did not find anything regarding luks/luks2 there. Should I file a bug report or I'm missing something?
[04:09] <guiverc> I don't know anything about luks1/luks2 sorry saivinob so can't answer your question; I do see open tasks on upstream github (eg. https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1099) that make distinction, but I'm not a dev so haven't explored it sorry
[04:10] <guiverc> our best page on bug reporting is https://phab.lubuntu.me/w/bugs/ which you no doubt already know.  I'd just file using `ubuntu-bug calamares`; it can be re-directed if needed
[04:45] <saivinob> guiverc: Thank you. Issue 1099 is different from my case. I will go ahead and file a bug then. 
[04:48] <saivinob> Also, I'm not able to perform LVM install. If I choose `lvm pv` option from filesystem list, there is 'New Volume Group' button on the manual partition page, I can create a volume group but then that's all. There is no way to create lv and mount them. The 'Next' button is also greyed-out so we are stuck.
[04:49] <guiverc> the 1099 I listed as example only of luks1, luks2 being mentioned in calamares; I don't know anything about it (just did a search on github & saw it mentioned on a few pages; that was one only used as example; I didn't find anything I felt useable for you or I'd have provided that)
[04:50] <saivinob> Np. Thank you for looking up on my behalf. I will check as well before filing report.
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[07:06] <saivinob> @lynorian, et.all, I'm planning to support documentation and learning how to do it. I followed 'CONTRIBUTING.md', made small change and ran `arc diff`. It opened a file but I do not know what to put there. Summary, Test Plan, Reviewers...?
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[07:12] <saivinob> I wrote a couple of sentences under 'Summary:' and put 'lynorian (Lyn Perrine)' under 'Reviewers:'. I do not know what to put under 'Test Plan:' or 'Subscribers:'.
[07:16] <saivinob> If I try to save and exit, I'm getting (some parsing) error for reviewers and 'Test Plan' is compulsory. 
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[07:22] <saivinob> The instruction for `arc diff` needs to be elaborated for new contributors. The other option of sending `patch mail` just says "This assumes you are already familiar with patch mail and you know how..." :-(
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 Reviewers is just the username on Phab and Test plan is not very important for changes in the manual. You can write "Manual compiles"
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 yes I really should actually make that clearer but I am up quite late now and not tonight
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[08:11] <saivinob> Noted. Thank you both @aptghetto and @lynorian.
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[09:23] <saivinob> Manual Chapter 1.2: Is `mkusb` still the preferred method for writing images to USB? The package is not in the main repo and even ppa is bit obscure. Is it being actively developed? Assuming we are addressing any Linux users, shouldn't we refer them to generic tools like 'Etcher', than to a ppa?
[09:26] <saivinob> Also, if you agree, we can introduce 'Ventoy', where once the USB is setup, users don't have to 'burn the image' anymore. 
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 Manual partitioning can be a shoot yourself in your own foot mode. When you do an erase disk and choose encryption it uses luks1. luks2 is not compatible with the version of Grub that ships with Ubuntu. That being said, we would have to know what the partition layout looked like to know if it should work or not. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <saivinob> Speaking of calamares, what are luks and luks2 file systems? They are available under 
 There are multiple issues upstream with LVM https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+lvm (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <saivinob> Also, I'm not able to perform LVM install. If I choose `lvm pv` option from filesystem list, there is 'New Volume Group' button on the manual partition page, I can create a volume group but then that's all. There is no way to create lv and mount them. The 'Next' button is also greye
[12:02] <saivinob> @kc2bez, thanks I checked the link for lvm. Those are (unless I missed) cases where lvm layout was created before launching calamares but still having issue with calamares. I was referring to calamares GUI itself. There is no lv create button.
[12:04] <saivinob> Is it possible for Lubuntu to *hide* non-working options like lvm from installer? Just wondering.
 Maybe, I would have to look at the code a bit and obviously it would require a patch to be maintained. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <saivinob> Is it possible for Lubuntu to *hide* non-working options like lvm from installer? Just wondering.)
[12:16] <saivinob> That's true. It's additional work for things that should be done right upstream. Just thinking out loud.
[12:45] <saivinob> Call me crazy and ROFL, but I tried installing with NTFS and FAT32 as root file system. To my surprise installer allowed to proceed with installation on both cases. NTFS install completes and able to boot into system. FAT32 failed install saying unable to set machine-id. 
[12:46] <guiverc> wow on ntfs
[12:46] <saivinob> Of course, when one clicks on 'Manual Partitioning', he is expected to be an advanced user but still I expect some sort of pop-up saying choosen file system is not compatible for installing linux or something...
[12:48] <guiverc> I can appreciate coders not wanting to 'nanny' the users.... if you wanna do something so stupid; why should we stop you...
[12:48] <saivinob> Curious, I tried same on Xubuntu (ubiquity) and there is no NTFS in the file system list. If we choose FAT16 or FAT32, it only gives option `/dos` and `/windows` for mount points. That's more like it.
[12:51] <saivinob> If we persist and still manually type `/`, when we click on 'Install Now', we get warning 'Invalid file system for this mount point' and cannot proceed unless change the file system type.
[12:54] <saivinob> So, it *is* possible to set such checks; just not available on Calamares. Sorry, I guess I'm off-topic here as it does not concern Lubuntu. I'll shut-up now. ;-)
 saivinob: You have valid points. Calamares and Ubiquity are not on feature parity for everything. There is a lot of active development and improvement all the time though. The future of Ubiquity has a little uncertainty given that main Ubuntu is switching installers at some point soon-ish.
 Calamares code is somewhat easier to follow and the modularity is nice.
 Actual Full Disk Encryption (with boot too) is a big security win in my book.
[14:05] <saivinob> @kc2bez, agree.
 I am wondering if I should add a warning for what filesystems not to use in the manual I currently list options that should work with linux
 i would - it'll maybe prevent some stupids. (re @lynorian: I am wondering if I should add a warning for what filesystems not to use in the manual I currently list options that should work with linux)