| isapgswell | anyone experienced slow ubuntu software? ubuntu 20.04 | 00:52 |
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| sarnold | it'd be worth checking to see if the software is a snap or not | 00:53 |
| sarnold | check snap list and see if anything there looks like the ubuntu software center | 00:53 |
| isapgswell | sarnold no, i have snapd, snap-store, firefox, chromium, etc ... | 00:55 |
| tomreyn | ^ "recent users dont care about command line apt snap commands" | 00:55 |
| tomreyn | :-P | 00:56 |
| tomreyn | isapgswell: i think sarnold was suggesting you run "snap list" | 00:56 |
| isapgswell | tomreyn lol | 00:56 |
| daftykins | their patience snapd | 00:56 |
| * daftykins ducks | 00:56 | |
| isapgswell | tomreyn i ran snap list | 00:56 |
| isapgswell | on terminal | 00:57 |
| tomreyn | ... "and see if anything there looks like the ubuntu software center" | 00:57 |
| tomreyn | snap-store may well be that | 00:57 |
| isapgswell | tomreyn yes only snap-sore, no ubuntu software center output | 00:58 |
| tomreyn | sorry isapgswell, you did run "snap list" and were discussing tis output, i was sitting on my brains there. | 00:58 |
| isapgswell | tomreyn ok | 00:58 |
| sarnold | yay | 00:59 |
| isapgswell | i am using nvidia ondemand profile | 00:59 |
| sarnold | isapgswell: check "snap info snap-store" | 00:59 |
| sarnold | that feels a lot like it's what you're interecting with -- if you've got a firefox snap and chromium snap, how does it compare against hose programs? | 00:59 |
| tomreyn | https://snapcraft.io/docs/installing-snap-store-app has a screenshot | 01:00 |
| isapgswell | sarnold it lags when i click on category button and wait to exhibit the apps | 01:00 |
| isapgswell | tomreyn snap-store already installed | 01:02 |
| isapgswell | tomreyn using almost 300MB | 01:02 |
| isapgswell | tomreyn ram | 01:02 |
| tomreyn | i'll tell you when i'll start being impressed | 01:02 |
| tomreyn | i'm a bit impressed that sarnold doesn't know what the default desktop package manager is on ubuntu these days. :) | 01:04 |
| sarnold | tomreyn: it's had half-dozen names since I joined up, and I haven't seen it myself in eight or nineyears.. | 01:04 |
| tomreyn | lucky you! | 01:05 |
| sarnold | right/ :) | 01:05 |
| sarnold | I have trouble believing it would use only 300m | 01:05 |
| tomreyn | it's the relevant part of the desktop that makes users prefer badly maintained snaps over properly maintained deb's nowadays | 01:06 |
| * Bashing-om has a fair idea of how .debs work - will stick with what works :D | 01:07 | |
| sarnold | isapgswell: it's probably worth a bug report; if you run 'ubuntu-bug snap-store' it will probably know how to file a bug in the right place | 01:07 |
| isapgswell | sarnold hmm ok | 01:09 |
| tomreyn | https://ubuntu.com/blog/better-snap-metadata-handling-coming-your-way-soon is possibly related to that | 01:10 |
| isapgswell | snap-store is a snap right? | 01:10 |
| daftykins | if so, that's snapception | 01:10 |
| tomreyn | isapgswell: based on what you reported above, snap-store is a snap | 01:10 |
| isapgswell | tomreyn yes | 01:11 |
| isapgswell | i ran ubuntu-bug snap-store and apport returned, the problem cant be reported | 01:11 |
| isapgswell | dpkg -l |grep snap-store returned nothing | 01:12 |
| tomreyn | that's right, there is no generic mechanism for bug handling for snaps | 01:13 |
| tomreyn | if you'Re lucky, there's a "developer url" in the packages' metadata | 01:14 |
| tomreyn | and a "support url" | 01:14 |
| isapgswell | tomreyn lol | 01:15 |
| isapgswell | remember, sometimes run the command: snap refresh | 01:15 |
| tomreyn | https://snapcraft.io/snap-store has a "Contact Canonical" link pointing to https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store/ | 01:15 |
| isapgswell | my firefox opening faster now, but ubuntu software no :( | 01:15 |
| isapgswell | my snaps were 45 days outdated | 01:17 |
| isapgswell | ubuntu software only update .deb | 01:18 |
| isapgswell | maybe is that the point | 01:18 |
| sarnold | snaps are refreshed automatically ever few days | 01:18 |
| tomreyn | snapd has an internal update mechanism | 01:18 |
| sarnold | you can't turn it off, its bloody annoying | 01:18 |
| sarnold | but it should keep things up to date | 01:18 |
| tomreyn | unless there's some outage on the central server infra https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store-desktop/+bug/1904475 | 01:19 |
| sarnold | if they haven't been updated for 45 days, then there's a good chance whoever built the snap just hasn't uploaded a new one for a month or more | 01:19 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1904475 in snap-store-desktop "Snap Store not loading categories" [High,Incomplete] | 01:19 |
| isapgswell | yes | 01:20 |
| isapgswell | snap info snap-store return 45 days outdated | 01:21 |
| isapgswell | refresh-date: 45 days ago, at 05:12 -03 | 01:21 |
| isapgswell | even after i ran snap refresh nothing changed | 01:22 |
| tomreyn | here's a bug report for what you meant to repor tiitially https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store-desktop/+bug/1868765 | 01:23 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1868765 in snap-store-desktop "snap-store categories take too long to populate" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 01:23 |
| sarnold | tomreyn's a beast :D | 01:23 |
| tomreyn | no, no, snap-store is | 01:24 |
| sarnold | lol | 01:24 |
| tomreyn | https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store-desktop/+bug/1879137 is for your second bug report | 01:24 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1879137 in snap-store-desktop "The snap-store is using hundreds of MiBs of RAM." [Undecided,Confirmed] | 01:24 |
| isapgswell | youtube on firefox paging apps faster than snap-store app | 01:26 |
| isapgswell | no lag | 01:26 |
| isapgswell | tomreyn thanks | 01:27 |
| sarnold | tomreyn: I just subscribed ubuntu-desktop to these things. I wonder if anyone even reads bug reports.. | 01:27 |
| tomreyn | about the refresh not working, there are several possible reasons in snapd. maybe snapd just committed suicide on your computer https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1891618 | 01:27 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1891618 in snapd "Snapd stuck after a request timeout error" [Critical,Confirmed] | 01:27 |
| tomreyn | no need to handle bug reports, we'll just write a new app! | 01:27 |
| sarnold | tomreyn: it'll be clean! and fast! and extensible! and maintainable! and it'll use a new modern toolkit! | 01:28 |
| tomreyn | :) ok, i'll try to contain this part of myself now | 01:29 |
| sarnold | good luck :) | 01:29 |
| isapgswell | tomreyn maybe a fork | 01:30 |
| isapgswell | got to go, thank all of you | 01:31 |
| isapgswell | bye | 01:31 |
| lotuspsychje | good morning | 01:55 |
| bittin | morning | 06:35 |
| ducasse | good morning | 06:39 |
| leftyfb | This is concerning: https://p.haavard.me/407 (re: future of Freenode) | 13:04 |
| Ussat | Hardly, no proof of anything, just some tin foil theory | 13:06 |
| Ussat | if youre that concerned, ask in #freenode | 13:07 |
| leftyfb | except a link to JonathanD's post on the same subject. I've met him personally and I know he wouldn't take this sort of thing lightly | 13:07 |
| leftyfb | though the link to jess's post is gone ... so not sure | 13:08 |
| * Ussat passes out more tin | 13:08 | |
| === dm2912 is now known as dm2912-away | ||
| leftyfb | ok, talked with JonathanD. Looks like these were written in preparation for something that has yet to happen. So at the moment we're still in good hands | 13:30 |
| lotuspsychje | tnx leftyfb | 13:38 |
| daftykins | we are? :P | 13:54 |
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