[00:52] <isapgswell> anyone experienced slow ubuntu software? ubuntu 20.04
[00:53] <sarnold> it'd be worth checking to see if the software is a snap or not
[00:53] <sarnold> check snap list and see if anything there looks like the ubuntu software center
[00:55] <isapgswell> sarnold no, i have snapd, snap-store, firefox, chromium, etc ...
[00:55] <tomreyn> ^ "recent users dont care about command line apt snap commands"
[00:56] <tomreyn> :-P
[00:56] <tomreyn> isapgswell: i think sarnold was suggesting you run "snap list"
[00:56] <isapgswell> tomreyn lol
[00:56] <daftykins> their patience snapd
[00:56]  * daftykins ducks
[00:56] <isapgswell> tomreyn i ran snap list
[00:57] <isapgswell> on terminal
[00:57] <tomreyn> ... "and see if anything there looks like the ubuntu software center"
[00:57] <tomreyn> snap-store may well be that
[00:58] <isapgswell> tomreyn yes only snap-sore, no ubuntu software center output
[00:58] <tomreyn> sorry isapgswell, you did run "snap list" and were discussing tis output, i was sitting on my brains there.
[00:58] <isapgswell> tomreyn ok
[00:59] <sarnold> yay
[00:59] <isapgswell> i am using nvidia ondemand profile
[00:59] <sarnold> isapgswell: check "snap info snap-store"
[00:59] <sarnold> that feels a lot like it's what you're interecting with -- if you've got a firefox snap and chromium snap, how does it compare against hose programs?
[01:00] <tomreyn> https://snapcraft.io/docs/installing-snap-store-app has a screenshot
[01:00] <isapgswell> sarnold it lags when i click on category button and wait to exhibit the apps
[01:02] <isapgswell> tomreyn snap-store already installed
[01:02] <isapgswell> tomreyn using almost 300MB
[01:02] <isapgswell> tomreyn ram
[01:02] <tomreyn> i'll tell you when i'll start being impressed
[01:04] <tomreyn> i'm a bit impressed that sarnold doesn't know what the default desktop package manager is on ubuntu these days. :)
[01:04] <sarnold> tomreyn: it's had half-dozen names since I joined up, and I haven't seen it myself in eight or nineyears..
[01:05] <tomreyn> lucky you!
[01:05] <sarnold> right/ :)
[01:05] <sarnold> I have trouble believing it would use only 300m
[01:06] <tomreyn> it's the relevant part of the desktop that makes users prefer badly maintained snaps over properly maintained deb's nowadays
[01:07]  * Bashing-om has a fair idea of how .debs work - will stick with what works :D
[01:07] <sarnold> isapgswell: it's probably worth a bug report; if you run 'ubuntu-bug snap-store' it will probably know how to file a bug in the right place
[01:09] <isapgswell> sarnold hmm ok
[01:10] <tomreyn> https://ubuntu.com/blog/better-snap-metadata-handling-coming-your-way-soon is possibly related to that
[01:10] <isapgswell> snap-store is a snap right?
[01:10] <daftykins> if so, that's snapception
[01:10] <tomreyn> isapgswell: based on what you reported above, snap-store is a snap
[01:11] <isapgswell> tomreyn yes
[01:11] <isapgswell> i ran ubuntu-bug snap-store and apport returned, the problem cant be reported
[01:12] <isapgswell> dpkg -l |grep snap-store returned nothing
[01:13] <tomreyn> that's right, there is no generic mechanism for bug handling for snaps
[01:14] <tomreyn> if you'Re lucky, there's a "developer url" in the packages' metadata
[01:14] <tomreyn> and a "support url"
[01:15] <isapgswell> tomreyn lol
[01:15] <isapgswell> remember, sometimes run the command: snap refresh
[01:15] <tomreyn> https://snapcraft.io/snap-store has a "Contact Canonical" link pointing to https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store/
[01:15] <isapgswell> my firefox opening faster now, but ubuntu software no :(
[01:17] <isapgswell> my snaps were 45 days outdated
[01:18] <isapgswell> ubuntu software only update .deb
[01:18] <isapgswell> maybe is that the point
[01:18] <sarnold> snaps are refreshed automatically ever few days
[01:18] <tomreyn> snapd has an internal update mechanism
[01:18] <sarnold> you can't turn it off, its bloody annoying
[01:18] <sarnold> but it should keep things up to date
[01:19] <tomreyn> unless there's some outage on the central server infra https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store-desktop/+bug/1904475
[01:19] <sarnold> if they haven't been updated for 45 days, then there's a good chance whoever built the snap just hasn't uploaded a new one for a month or more
[01:20] <isapgswell> yes
[01:21] <isapgswell> snap info snap-store return 45 days outdated
[01:21] <isapgswell> refresh-date: 45 days ago, at 05:12 -03
[01:22] <isapgswell> even after i ran snap refresh nothing changed
[01:23] <tomreyn> here's a bug report for what you meant to repor tiitially https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store-desktop/+bug/1868765
[01:23] <sarnold> tomreyn's a beast :D
[01:24] <tomreyn> no, no, snap-store is
[01:24] <sarnold> lol
[01:24] <tomreyn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store-desktop/+bug/1879137 is for your second bug report
[01:26] <isapgswell> youtube on firefox paging apps faster than snap-store app
[01:26] <isapgswell> no lag
[01:27] <isapgswell> tomreyn thanks
[01:27] <sarnold> tomreyn: I just subscribed ubuntu-desktop to these things. I wonder if anyone even reads bug reports..
[01:27] <tomreyn> about the refresh not working, there are several possible reasons in snapd. maybe snapd just committed suicide on your computer https://bugs.launchpad.net/snapd/+bug/1891618
[01:27] <tomreyn> no need to handle bug reports, we'll just write a new app!
[01:28] <sarnold> tomreyn: it'll be clean! and fast! and extensible! and maintainable! and it'll use a new modern toolkit!
[01:29] <tomreyn> :) ok, i'll try to contain this part of myself now
[01:29] <sarnold> good luck :)
[01:30] <isapgswell> tomreyn maybe a fork
[01:31] <isapgswell> got to go, thank all of you
[01:31] <isapgswell> bye
[01:55] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:35] <bittin> morning
[06:39] <ducasse> good morning
[13:04] <leftyfb> This is concerning: https://p.haavard.me/407  (re: future of Freenode)
[13:06] <Ussat> Hardly, no proof of anything, just some tin foil theory
[13:07] <Ussat> if youre that concerned, ask in #freenode
[13:07] <leftyfb> except a link to JonathanD's post on the same subject. I've met him personally and I know he wouldn't take this sort of thing lightly
[13:08] <leftyfb> though the link to jess's post is gone ... so not sure
[13:08]  * Ussat passes out more tin
[13:30] <leftyfb> ok, talked with JonathanD. Looks like these were written in preparation for something that has yet to happen. So at the moment we're still in good hands
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> tnx leftyfb
[13:54] <daftykins> we are? :P