[03:14] <chakravanti> i have a touchscreen laptop (X230T) and every time i close the laptop the screen sends signals which move the mouse and touch the screen countlessly.  Isn't there a detection of the laptop being shut and a way to turn off the mouse?
[03:31] <RJ45> I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this but I am using Ubuntu so.. I got a new 6TB HDD to upgrade from my 2TB HDD, my 2 TB HDD has 2 partitions of 930.50GB , so I made 2 partitions on the new drive of the same size, 930.50GB.. I rysnc'd the partitions contents over, on 1 partition t took 40GB more space, and on the other I ran out of space
[03:31] <RJ45> HOW?!
[03:33] <RJ45> the only difference is one HDD uses MBR and the GPT
[03:37] <RJ45> grsync is set to copy symlinks as symlinks and hardlinks as hardlinks, so that can't be the problem
[03:40] <RJ45> I am currently running  dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/home/hdd/file  and that file appears to be increasing in size despite file browser saying '0 bytes free space'
[03:40] <Goop> Hey, what is a good article for creating a Ubuntu Desktop live USB persistence?
[03:40] <Goop> ...thing?
[03:40] <RJ45> google has some good article on that
[03:40] <RJ45> duckduckgo too
[03:41] <Goop> I've tried the ones that came up... mkusb doesn't work.
[03:41] <RJ45> try a program called unetbootin
[03:41] <guiverc> Goop, I'd recommend https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb/persistent ; it's not the main mkusb page but a subpage
[03:41] <RJ45> I don't think unetbootin is still in the ubuntu repository (it used-to be)
[03:41] <RJ45> but it's still possible to get a .deb of it
[03:42] <RJ45> it works very well for me
[04:10] <RJ45> why do I get more free space when I fill with a file of  dd /dev/zero  and then delete the file?
[04:10] <RJ45> ext4 is broken
[04:27] <lkzcbr> hello, does anyone know how to get laptop brightness working on ubuntu 20.10?
[04:29] <lkzcbr> i tried changing the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash acpi_backlight=vendor" but it made no effect
[04:35] <lkzcbr> hello
[04:35] <lordcirth__> !patience
[04:48] <Guma> Hello Everyone. I was wondering is someone can point if in right direction about my problem. Here is my ptoblem and what I did try.
[04:51]  * wyoung waits
[04:54] <Guma> I have development box I did setup in my remote office. It is running Ubuntu 20.04 server. I running docker-compose and postgres sql. Please note that postgres is running on host vs inside container. I added 172.17.0.1/28 (docker0) and 172.18.0.1/28 (br_*) to pg_hba.conf. When I reboot system it looks like sometimes postgres starts earlier then docker.service or socket and does not bind to docker0 or br_* interfaces.
[04:57] <Guma> Is there a way around it? I did try to modify "termorarly" /lib/systemd/system/postgresql.service and then postgresql@.service by adding "Requires=docker.socket" in [Unit] section.
[04:58] <Guma> This does not seem to work. Is there some better way to do this? I know if apt updates posgtres it can replace service file. So unless there is no better way of doing it
[05:35] <bittin> morning
[06:30] <pangpang> hello, how can i install setuptools for python 2?
[06:35] <Lantizia_> does 21.04 use weston by default?
[06:41] <ducasse> Lantizia_: no, gnome
[06:42] <Lantizia_> hmm so whatever happened to 1 thing does 1 thing well :P  (ignore systemd :P)
[06:42] <Lantizia_> gnome itself is communicating with the graphics hardware through the kernel?
[06:44] <Lantizia_> ducasse, do you mean Mutter?
[06:45] <ducasse> Lantizia_: i'm not sure if gnome 3 uses mutter, i thought the wm was sort of baked into gnome-shell
[06:45] <ducasse> there's nothing stopping you from using just a wm or a compositor if you want wayland, i do both
[06:46] <lotuspsychje> yeah gnome has mutter
[06:46] <Lantizia_> lotuspsychje, so Ubuntu 21.04 is using Mutter as it's default Wayland compositor?
[06:47] <lotuspsychje> Lantizia_: i assume yes, as i seen bugs passby concerning wayland that used mutter as package
[06:48] <lotuspsychje> Lantizia_: did you have a specifi issue on wayland?
[06:49] <Lantizia_> no just doing some research... noticed that weston has RDP support and wondered what compositor ubuntu 21.04 was using out of the box
[06:49] <Lantizia_> see what kinds of remote access it'd have out of the box
[06:49] <Lantizia_> so I guess I'd be looking at Mutter for that?
[06:50] <Lantizia_> seems kind of odd that what (historically in the world of X.org) would be your window manager... is now also your display server!?  have I got that right?
[06:51] <lotuspsychje> Lantizia_: wich tool are you using for remote? remmina?
[06:51] <ducasse> under wayland the wm's responsibilities fall on the compositor
[06:51] <Lantizia_> no I'm not talking clients, I'm talking remote access services/server/daemons that are built into (if any) a default 21.04 install
[06:53] <Toxmi> Hi, I'm using gnome online account to get access to my google-drive files. Is there a way to mount/use this files outside nautilus (Files)? I mean mounting it just like regular files with regular human readable names from other program
[06:53] <Lantizia_> historically I used to use  X11-forwarding/XDMCP   or   the-older-NX3/X2Go   or   the-newer-NX4/5/6/7
[06:53] <Lantizia_> as VNC is pants
[06:54] <Toxmi> For example I've an RStudio app that want to access a folder on my google-drive is there a way? As much as I can tell the current solution via Gnome online account only gives me files from Files application just like a browser I can not work with files from other applications
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> Lantizia_: if you're interested in help shaping the wayland future, i would reccomend #ubuntu-quality where devs & testers meetup for latest release testing
[06:57] <lotuspsychje> Lantizia_: i just checked the wayland/mutter bugs and i dont see specific issues related to your question
[06:58] <Lantizia_> then something doesn't feel right :P
[06:59] <Lantizia_> I only found out weston has RDP due to this... https://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html#heading_toc_j_8
[06:59] <Lantizia_> and Mutter's answer seems to be this... https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Mutter/RemoteDesktop
[06:59] <Lantizia_> ooooh that is RDP
[07:00] <Lantizia_> well not Mutter itself - this is odd.
[07:02] <Lantizia_> kind of sounds like 'GNOME Remote Desktop' implements a VNC server (via libvncserver) and an RDP server (via freerdp) but gets its data *over* pipewire *from* mutter :P
[07:03] <lotuspsychje> try the channel i reccomended you Lantizia_ the devs might know more of that
[07:04] <Lantizia_> I've jumped to the #Mutter chan on GIMPNet :P
[07:05] <Lantizia_> get it from the horses mouth,  so to speak :)
[07:15] <pangpang> how can i install python-tk package?
[07:18] <pangpang> this channel don't help beginner?
[07:19] <lotuspsychje> !patience | pangpang
[07:19] <pangpang> :( ok
[07:39] <jason234> hello
[07:39] <jason234> how to install passwd.deb file from packages, without apt-get ?
[07:39] <jason234> cd / ;  dpkg -i passwd.deb  ??
[08:04] <nescius> Hi! i have an issue with ultra hd screens, the gpu drivers are not good enough to handle that, i would like to limit max resolution for couple years so win+p keyboard shortcut does not set the 4k resolution every time it gets used.. but i dont know enough about the newer x11 configuration since this option was removed from xorg.conf
[08:30] <tomreyn> nescius: please alsways state which ubuntu release your question refers to. and, when it comes to graphics, which driver (and, if relevant, hardware) you have there. if you don't know how to tell, please ask for assistence with finding out.
[08:32] <_noblegas> Hi
[08:32] <tomreyn> jason234: you should not normally have to install software this way. the recommended approach is to use apt repositories to install software. the only supported approach is using the official apt repositories (and snaps, though i don't see how i could support those) - though well chosen third party repositories can be a good addition.
[08:33] <_noblegas> i have some problem with the "Info" command. it seems that it's missing a lot of nodes
[08:33] <_noblegas> for example, I installed/reinstalled emacs but info does not have emacs node
[08:33] <_noblegas> I use ubuntu 20 LTS
[08:34] <_noblegas> my understanding that it's all should just work "out-of-the-box" i.e. adding of info file when you install a package
[08:34] <tomreyn> jason234: this said, if you have no other option, and are convinced that the origin of this .deb. file is trustable and it is definitely comptabile to your system and specific ubuntu release, i would suggest to use   sudo apt install path/to/package.deb
[08:35] <_noblegas> basically, how can i make it "work"?
[08:36] <_noblegas> and it all happens inside WSL2 for windows
[08:37] <nescius> tomreyn: none of those are relevant, except maybe for it is ubuntu version after 14.10
[08:38] <tomreyn> _noblegas: not every package provides one, see /usr/share/info/
[08:38] <tomreyn> _noblegas: you are more likely to find a man page
[08:38] <_noblegas> tomreyn: I want info, not man
[08:39] <_noblegas> and there should be info for emacs
[08:39] <tomreyn> nescius: but one of the versions the channel topic lists as supported?
[08:39] <_noblegas> in `usr/share/info` I see a folder emacs
[08:40] <_noblegas> but in it only `efaq.info.gz`
[08:40] <tomreyn> _noblegas: hmm, if this is WSL specific, then i'd need to point you to #ubuntu-on-windows there
[08:40] <_noblegas> which is just a FAQ, not the real
[08:40] <_noblegas> info
[08:40] <_noblegas> tomreyn: I don't know if it's something WSL specific
[08:41] <_noblegas> I asked in windows channel and they told me that WSL is just a virtual machine with linux in it
[08:41] <_noblegas> which means WSL should not have impact on working of the linux inside it
[08:42] <_noblegas> but thanks for your suggestion
[08:42] <_noblegas> I will check there as well, thank you
[08:43] <tomreyn> _noblegas: so, you're saxing you know there is an emacs info document on other systems, right? do you have access to a system which has one?
[08:44] <tomreyn> _noblegas: on a side note, there is not "ubuntu 20 LTS", you are probably referring to "Ubuntu 20.04 LTS" (and there to either the default desktop edition, one of its !flavors, or the server edition)
[08:45] <_noblegas> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/7V1rCsK1/
[08:45] <tomreyn> though i guess WSL provides a custom distribution
[08:45] <_noblegas> but when I type `C-h r`, in the opened info windows it says: `Info file emacs does not exist`
[08:46] <_noblegas> so, because of this I think, info file for emacs should exist
[08:46] <_noblegas> but for some reason on my system it does not / or info cannot find it
[08:47] <tomreyn> _noblegas: this seems to refer to an online help system
[08:47] <_noblegas> and I am not sure what saxing means
[08:47] <tomreyn> i don't see why it would be a texinfo document
[08:48] <tomreyn> _noblegas: saxing -> saying, sorry
[08:48] <_noblegas> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/JQaEEmNx/
[08:49] <tomreyn> _noblegas: so what happens when you press ctrl-h, then i, then type "m emacs" and press enter?
[08:50] <_noblegas> tomreyn: it opens emacs FAQ
[08:50] <_noblegas> but not the "real" info
[08:50] <tomreyn> i must admit i don't know much about emacs, but maybe that's just the default emacs texinfo document?
[08:51] <_noblegas> tomreyn: idk, i would think that `C-h r` should have worked as well
[08:51] <_noblegas> i doubt it
[08:51] <_noblegas> I don't know much about emacs either
[08:53] <tomreyn> so i'm inclined to say you're assuming things a lot.
[08:53] <_noblegas> ok, I will try it on mac
[08:54] <_noblegas> yes `C-h r` works there
[08:54] <_noblegas> and opens a real emacs info
[08:55] <_noblegas> not FAQ
[08:55] <_noblegas> anyway
[08:56] <tomreyn> _noblegas: if this is ubuntu 18.04, you may ned to install emacs25-common-non-dfsg
[08:57] <_noblegas> it's 20.04
[08:57] <tomreyn> maybe 20.04 has a similarily named emacs*-common-non-dfsg package
[08:57] <aiena> I am on kubuntu but I like the ubuntu character map a lot. It seperates letters punctuation etc. I installed gucharactermap but it is not the same app does anyone know the gnome package?
[08:57] <_noblegas> tomreyn: ok I will try (I assumed that install emacs should install all the stuff I need automatically)
[08:57] <tomreyn> _noblegas: looks like you need to install emacs25-common-non-dfsg
[08:57] <aiena> *gucharmap
[08:59] <_noblegas> tomreyn: something something package refers to antoher package that is obsolete or unavailable ... cannot install
[09:00] <aiena> _noblegas: pastebin the log
[09:00] <tomreyn> _noblegas: it's in the multiverse repository section
[09:00] <tomreyn> !multiverse
[09:01] <godane> !ap https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fbi-admits-gop-baseball-shooting-domestic-terrorism
[09:01] <tomreyn> if    apt-cache policy | grep multiverse    does not list any lines saying "multiverse", you'll need to enable this section.
[09:01] <tomreyn> !ot | godane
[09:01] <godane> !ao https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/fbi-admits-gop-baseball-shooting-domestic-terrorism
[09:01] <_noblegas> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/fXE7qSzy/
[09:01] <godane> oh sorry
[09:01] <tomreyn> godane: please stop
[09:02] <godane> sorry about that
[09:02] <_noblegas> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/jr30l8dC/
[09:02] <tomreyn> godane: no problem, if it was accidential
[09:03] <tomreyn> _noblegas: okay, then i'm with aiena, full command run + output are needed, which produce the "something something" message
[09:03] <_noblegas> see above
[09:04] <_noblegas> the 2nd one from above
[09:04] <_noblegas> I mean not the right one above but the one before it
[09:05] <tomreyn> _noblegas: emacs-common-non-dfsg is the correct package name
[09:05] <tomreyn> i previously gave you the ubuntu 18.04 one twice, sorry
[09:05] <_noblegas> no sorry, you are helping thank you
[09:05] <_noblegas> what is DSFG?
[09:06] <nescius> tomreyn: the change from explicitly defined resolution in xorg.conf to dinamically detecting monitor's capabilities was introduced maybe a decade ago. thanks for answering..
[09:06] <tomreyn> DFSG stands for debian free software guidelines
[09:06] <_noblegas> yes! it works, now I have info file for emacs thank you tomreyn
[09:07] <tomreyn> _noblegas: it is seperately packaged because of a license clash
[09:07] <_noblegas> can you now explain me what I just installed and why didn't it work "out of the box" (with just `install emacs`)
[09:07] <tomreyn> _noblegas: apt show emacs-common-non-dfsg   should answer most of those question
[09:08] <_noblegas> tomreyn: is there a way to make this non-dfsg installed automatically when installing the package?
[09:08] <_noblegas> so i don't have to after-install pieces of package after installing the package
[09:09] <_noblegas> how did you find out which package exactly I should install ?
[09:10] <_noblegas> becaue I searched through `apt search emacs` to find a package, but couldn't find it
[09:11] <tomreyn> _noblegas: unless there is a Suggests: or Recommends: line referring to it in the meta data of the main package, no (I have not checked whether or not that is the case, but you can check on https://packages.ubuntu.com or using "apt show <packagename>").
[09:11] <tomreyn> but you can always specify two packages to install, that seems like a problem that can be overcome without too much effort on your side
[09:12] <_noblegas> tomreyn: but then I need to know which package I should install, but I don't. Unless you helped me by saying the name of the package I should install, I wouldn't be able to do it
[09:13] <tomreyn> _noblegas: i used "apt search emacs" on an ubuntu 18.04 system, looking for references to "info"
[09:13] <_noblegas> s/Unless/If you didn't
[09:14] <_noblegas> ok, I got it, I didn't know exactly what to seach for, so I just browsed packages
[09:14] <_noblegas> so, is this DSFG - thing  is something to expect from other packages as well?
[09:14] <tomreyn> this is a bit of a special case. you're right in that, most of the time, when oyu install a package that provides documentation in the form of a texinfo document, it will be installed by the 'main' package
[09:14] <tomreyn> this is not the case for emacs because of said license clash
[09:15] <_noblegas> as a user it's really unhandy, but anyway, the problem solved, thank you
[09:16] <_noblegas> next time I will search specifically for "Info" in the packages and look for DSFG
[09:16] <tomreyn> you may occasionally stumple into other things where there are separate packages for things that are not DFSG-compliant. less rarely, though, and rarely (or probably never) on packages in the 'main' and 'restricted' sections
[09:16] <tomreyn> *stumble
[09:17] <_noblegas> ok thanks
[09:17] <_noblegas> by the way, funny thing is that `install emacs` only installs `emacs-gtk` but not the command line version
[09:18] <_noblegas> do you know maybe how could I install non-gtk emacs?
[09:18] <tomreyn> some packages provide separate ...-nox packages which only provide the CLI variant
[09:18] <_noblegas> ah
[09:18] <_noblegas> nox - means non X probably
[09:18] <_noblegas> where X means X windows system
[09:19] <_noblegas> proabably
[09:19] <tomreyn> probably
[09:19] <_noblegas> great thank
[09:19] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[09:19] <_noblegas> all pieces of the puzzle come together
[09:20] <nescius> tomreyn: ok, i found my answer at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution - the old method of explicitly listing resolutions in xorg.conf is still doable in newest stable releases
[09:25] <_noblegas> tomreyn: Why do you think the ubuntu was made such a way that packages get splitted into parts because of different license, which makes it inconvenient for user? I am comparing with mac where you can type `brew install emacs` and get everything working right away?
[09:28] <tomreyn> _noblegas: in this particular case, it's because the package was developed by debian developers, and the packaging recipe was merely copied to ubuntu. debian is somewhat strict about taking measures which ensure that users become aware before they choose to install software that does not comply with the DFSG
[09:28] <Walex> _noblegas: it is not just about licenses, it is also about headers, sources, libraries, etc, so one can pick and choose. Also there are "metapackages" like 'ubuntu-desktop'
[09:30] <_noblegas> Walex: what is the `metapackage` for?
[09:30] <Walex> _noblegas: they are packages containing dependencies on other packages and no content of their own
[09:31] <Walex> _noblegas: try for example 'dpkg -l emacs' and 'apt depends emacs'
[09:31] <_noblegas> Walex: am I reading this correctly that metapackage is the way to overcome the problem where you have multiple packages, so you don't have to install them individually. You just intall the matapackage and you get everything
[09:31] <Walex> _noblegas: yes.
[09:32] <Walex> in Debian/Ubuntu there are also "tasks" that do pretty much the same.
[09:32] <_noblegas> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/1GQfnTzo/
[09:32] <pangpang> why python2 is on ubuntu? i know that python2 is ended?
[09:33] <Walex> _noblegas: also try 'apt depends emacs-nox'
[09:34] <nescius> pangpang: because some people like to have their applications working :)
[09:34] <_noblegas> Walex: so it says here `gnu emacs editor (metapackage)` so shouldn't the documentation then was  a part of the metapackage
[09:34] <Walex> pangpang: some applications have not been ported to Python 3, plus IIRC PyPy will continue to support Python 2 indefinitely. However eventually it will be gone.
[09:34] <pangpang> ah
[09:34] <pangpang> thanks nescius and Walex
[09:35] <Walex> _noblegas: that documentation is that for the metapackage, not that for EMACS. It is "metadata".
[09:35] <tomreyn> pangpang: ubuntu will continue to support some software even beyond upstream developers' defined EOL for this software, to enable users to continue to use that software in a given (still supported) ubuntu release
[09:36] <pangpang> ah ok. tomreyn
[09:36] <tomreyn> !latest | pangpang: related:
[09:36] <_noblegas> by the way, what is `-lucid`?
[09:37] <_noblegas> like in  `emacs-lucid`
[09:37] <tomreyn> !lucid | _noblegas
[09:37] <_noblegas> ah, ok, I thought it's some kind of new window subsystem
[09:37] <tomreyn> oh, that's a different context than the ubuntu release
[09:38] <tomreyn> as a reminder,    apt show <packagename>    may provide more information on a package.
[09:39] <_noblegas> Walex: so how should I work with metapackages?
[09:41] <_noblegas> thanks tomreyn
[09:41] <_noblegas> everything works now (whew), now to learning how to install scheme
[09:44] <_noblegas> it seems that installing `emacs-nox` removes `emacs-gtk`, is there a way to keep both?
[09:45] <Walex> _noblegas: to work with metapackages you just create them or install already existing ones.
[09:46] <_noblegas> Walex: so in case of emacs, that metapackage should have contained emacs documentation as well?
[09:46] <Walex> _noblegas: you cannot keep both 'emacs-nox' and 'emacs-gtk' because they use different libraries. They could be built to be compatible with each other, but the package maintainer probably thought that was too complicated and unnecessary, because 'emacs-gtk' can work on a terminal too.
[09:46] <Walex> _noblegas: "contain" is different from "depends"
[09:47] <Walex> _noblegas: metapackages contain only metadata, but can depend on many other packages. Ordinary packages contain data too, and can also depend on others.
[09:48] <_noblegas> Walex: so it means that metapackage only list packages without which the program won't run (and documenation is not one of them)
[09:48] <Walex> _noblegas: the dependencies of a metapackage are a design decision by the package maintainer. Plus following the recommendations of the Debian Policy Manual.
[09:49] <Walex> _noblegas: that 'emacs' does not depends on the EMACS docs is probably indeed because of the reason you give.
[09:49] <_noblegas> but emacs tutorial mentions emacs docs
[09:50] <_noblegas> and provides you commands to open emacs docs
[09:50] <Walex> _noblegas: but one could create a package 'emacs-bundle' that depends on 'emacs' and the doc and non-free emacs packages.
[09:50] <_noblegas> that would've been really cool if someone did it
[09:51] <_noblegas> then all that hassle wouldn't be needed anymore
[09:51] <Walex> _noblegas: it is very easy to generate metapackages...
[09:51] <_noblegas> how?
[09:51] <Walex> _noblegas: also note the output of 'apt depends emacs-nox' includes 'Suggests: emacs-common-non-dfsg' which is the '.info' documentation is packages.
[09:53] <raddy> Hello
[09:53] <lotuspsychje> welcome raddy
[09:53] <_noblegas> Walex: `apt depends emacs-gtk` also includes the same suggest
[09:53] <raddy> We have setup php with nginx using fpm
[09:53] <_noblegas> walex: but `apt depends emacs` only shows top level dependencies
[09:54] <raddy> Only module seldom getting enabled
[09:54] <Walex> _noblegas: there are several online tutorials on creating '.deb' packages, and metapackages are a particularly simple case, they just need a 'debian/control' and a 'debian/changelog' file.
[09:54] <raddy> Do i need to add it in both php-cli and php-fpm ?
[09:54] <raddy> I have installed that module through apt
[09:55] <_noblegas> Walex: is there a way to automatically install `Suggests` dependencies?
[09:56] <Walex> _noblegas: also look at the 'equivs' package
[09:56] <_noblegas> thanks
[09:57] <Walex> _noblegas: there is an option '--install-suggests' to 'apt-get', or you can use the configuration parameter 'APT::Install-Suggests'. But it is usually a bad idea, there are often *lots* of suggests.
[09:58] <_noblegas> Walex: got it. Thanks. You really explained me so much stuff. Thank you.
[09:58] <Walex> _noblegas: I think that the best idea to explore packages and dependencies is to use 'aptitude', as it lists them very nicely. I have written a guide to using the powerful 'aptitude' search expressions:
[09:59] <Walex> BTW as an aside, I think that 'dpkg' the package manager, is not very good, but the dependency manager, the APT suite, is very good, especially 'aptitude'.
[10:00] <Walex> My guide for 'aptitude': http://www.sabi.co.uk/blog/13-one.html?130414#130414
[10:00] <Walex> _noblegas: also have a look at 'man tasksel', but I never use tasks.
[10:01] <_noblegas> thanks a lot for the link
[10:02] <tomreyn> raddy: by default, php modules will be enabled for every php model they could be used with.
[10:03] <raddy> tomreyn: intl module not showing up in phpinfo, but shows up in php -m
[10:04] <tomreyn> raddy: did you restart the webserver since?
[10:04] <raddy> Will try now
[10:04] <tomreyn> actually fpm in your case
[10:05] <tomreyn> raddy: while it's not wrong to ask here, nte there is also #ubuntu-server
[10:05] <tomreyn> *note
[10:05] <raddy> i already restarted php-fpm and now restarted nginx as well
[10:05] <raddy> still no go
[10:07] <tomreyn> raddy: you should be able to see and modify which modules get loaded for the different php models in /etc/php*
[10:07] <tomreyn> use  ls -l  to understand the use of symbolic links
[10:08] <raddy> tomreyn: I have enable the modules in php-fpm's php.ini
[10:08] <raddy> Not enabled in php-cli, will try that as well now
[10:09] <tomreyn> raddy: whihc ubuntu releaser are you running an how did you install the intl module?
[10:09] <tomreyn> are you using php from ubuntu's main repositories or a third party distribution?
[10:10] <tomreyn> *release (not "releaser")
[10:11] <raddy> Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS, other sources i think, as ubuntu 20.04 would ship with php8
[10:11] <raddy> I installed through apt
[10:11] <raddy> apt install php7.4-intl
[10:11] <tomreyn> Ubuntu 20.04 LTS provides PHP 7.4
[10:12] <raddy> then it may be default php
[10:12] <tomreyn> install package php-intl
[10:12] <raddy> that won't work
[10:13] <raddy> I'll try
[10:14] <raddy> I installed
[10:14] <raddy> But no change
[10:17] <tomreyn> hmm i don't rmemeber exactly how it's packaged, but reading the documentation available in /usr/share/doc/php* may help you better understand how modules are meant to be managed
[10:18] <tomreyn> especially README.Debian.* files, if there are such
[10:18] <raddy> it shown that config file is under, cgi, i have enabled it there also
[10:22] <raddy> It also my web application path in  Loaded Configuration File .
[10:23] <tomreyn> raddy: this looks like a good explanation on how to manage modulesfor different php SAPIs: https://tecadmin.net/enable-disable-php-modules-ubuntu/
[10:23] <raddy> I have enabled there also by removing semicolon in the module name
[10:23] <raddy> The module is perfectly available under cgi/conf.d
[10:24] <raddy> It is symlinked to the actual module
[10:25] <AlexPortable> how do I make a screenshot of an open dialog or drop-down? Whenever I press any keyboard shortcut it doesn't do anything
[10:25] <tomreyn> and you restarted fpm, and you re-verified that the intl module is not loaded iwthin this fpm pool, using this PHP SAPI, and this very PHP version?
[10:25] <tomreyn> raddy: ^
[10:27] <raddy> Yeah, :(
[10:28] <raddy> I have not tried php SAPI yet
[10:30] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: focusing the dialog and pressing alt-shift-print should create a screenshot of it at ~/Pictures/Screenshot*
[10:30] <AlexPortable> no it will ignore any keyboard shortcuts, including ctrl+alt+t
[10:31] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: It works for me on ubuntu 18.04 LTS, gnome shell. what are you running?
[10:32] <tomreyn> (i just tried using the gedit "open" dialog window
[10:33] <tomreyn> it may not work with drop-downs, not sure
[10:33] <raddy> tomreyn: That particular ini file is not listed in Additional .ini files parsed
[10:34] <tomreyn> raddy: i'm not sure what you're referring to there :/
[10:34] <raddy> tomreyn: in phpinfo output
[10:35] <tomreyn> raddy: is the module loaded, though, and how are you ruling that out?
[10:35] <raddy> tomreyn: module loaded by php-cli, not by cgi
[10:38] <tomreyn> https://www.php.net/function.get-loaded-extensions#example-530
[10:38] <raddy> my nginx is not using fpm, yet
[10:39] <raddy> Will work on fixing it now
[10:39] <raddy> I hope it would fix the intl issue as well
[10:39] <raddy> how to restart fastcgi BTW?
[10:40] <tomreyn> which fastcgi implementation are you using?
[10:41] <tomreyn> how are you ruling out that the module gets loaded by the very SAPI you want it to be loaded by?
[10:41] <raddy> intl activated now
[10:42] <raddy> after restarting fastcgi
[10:42] <AlexPortable> tomreyn: Does it work with drop-downs in the settings application for example?
[10:42] <tomreyn> ...
[10:42] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: i don't know, haven't tried. does it?
[10:42] <raddy> sudo service php-fcgi-mydomain-com restart
[10:42] <raddy> did the trick
[10:42] <AlexPortable> for me not, but maybe there is something wrong with my setup
[10:43] <raddy> does it mean i am not using fpm ?
[10:44] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: it doesn'T seem to work on this ubuntu 18.04 LTS system i have here
[10:44] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: not while there is an open drop down
[10:46] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: you could use some other software for this use case. i find this gnome shell extension to work well: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/1112/screenshot-tool/
[10:47] <tomreyn> AlexPortable: it provides a timeout mechanism which works for capturing mouse pointer and open drop downs
[10:48] <tomreyn> also a GUI (dock icon, or whatever this GUI element is called nowadays) for screenshot management
[10:49] <AlexPortable> well i'm looking at all hotkeys, not just the screenshot
[10:50] <tomreyn> so you're considering it a bug that "global keyboard shortcuts will not work while a drop-down menu is open"
[10:50] <AlexPortable> I'm not sure
[10:50] <tomreyn> if so, this may be worth reporting as a bug, or rather, checking whether ti has already been reported, against ubuntu's gnome-shell and the upstream gnome project
[11:00] <vlm> is there an application that can take regular packets and tunnel them into socks5 protocol?
[11:01] <Legousk> Hello all, I need some help as I cannot manage to make ssh login work on my new KDE environment. I setup passwordless login to my server on my GNOME environment, but now recently installed KDE also. When using KDE the server asks for my password still although the correct key is in the authorized_keys on my server and KDE has the corresponding private key. I am probably missing something here.
[11:01] <vlm> or maybe i need a socks5 server which support forwarding?
[11:03] <lotuspsychje> vlm: perhaps a topic for #ubuntu-discuss or ##networking ?
[11:04] <vlm> lotuspsychje, maybe so i just wondered if its available in ubuntu packages repositories though?
[11:58] <TJ-> !info proxychains | vlm possibly this?
[12:00] <vlm> TJ-, ohh didnt think of it thanks!
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[12:24] <wyoung> hi
[13:10] <J-JITO> Hi
[13:10] <J-JITO> Do you know something about this warning message?
[13:10] <J-JITO> IP-Config: Eth0 hardware address 98:fa:9b:3d:dd:56 mtu 1500 DHCP RARP
[13:10] <J-JITO> IP-Config: no response after 2 secs - giving up
[13:10] <J-JITO> it's not critical, just annoying
[13:11] <J-JITO> Any ideas how to get rid of it ?
[13:15] <J-JITO> anybody ?
[13:30] <J-JITO> Guys ?
[13:30] <TJ-> J-JITO: that comes from ipconfig scripts in the initialramfs
[13:31] <J-JITO> TJ-: I've already modified it, but still persist across boots
[13:31] <wyoung> J-JITO: Sorry, the guys are all out now, you should try asking the girls
[13:31] <J-JITO> wyoung: Haha, yeah sorry anybody is better than Guys
[13:31] <J-JITO> Guys and Girls
[13:31] <wyoung> :P
[13:32] <J-JITO> I'm desperate, can't find a solution for my issue
[13:32] <J-JITO> I've tried to play with /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
[13:33] <J-JITO> I changed DEVICE= to DEVICE=eth0, still didn't work
[13:33] <TJ-> J-JITO: is that on bare metal or inside a virtual machine?
[13:33] <J-JITO> no no, I'm using linux on my main laptop which is a Thinkpas X1 Carbon
[13:33] <J-JITO> Thinkpad*
[13:34] <TJ-> OK, just that helps rule in or out some possibilities. Basic issue MAY be the ethernet link isn't "UP"
[13:34] <J-JITO> It is, because I mainy use it on wifi
[13:35] <TJ-> J-JITO: well no, Ethernet isn't WiFi. Ethernet is wired
[13:35] <J-JITO> and on X1, ethernet is used with a proprietary dongle
[13:35] <J-JITO> yeah I know
[13:35] <J-JITO> but even when I ifconfig eth0 down, I still get the warning
[13:35] <TJ-> so maybe drivers required for that 'dongle' aren't being loaded by initramfs scripts
[13:35] <J-JITO> IP-Config: Eth0 hardware address 98:fa:9b:3d:dd:56 mtu 1500 DHCP RARP
[13:35] <J-JITO> IP-Config: no response after 2 secs - giving up
[13:36] <J-JITO> ok, but I tired to clone my linux partition to a Dell laptop, which has a physical Ethernet port
[13:36] <J-JITO> and I still get the warning
[13:37] <TJ-> J-JITO: you will, because it is emitted by the kernel because there is something on the kernel command line instructing it to try to connect
[13:37] <TJ-> J-JITO: what does "cat /proc/cmdline" show?
[13:37] <J-JITO> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-amd64 quiet loglevel=0 mitigations=off
[13:38] <J-JITO> this is my initramfs conf file https://termbin.com/5qza
[13:40] <TJ-> J-JITO: so "DEVICE=eth0" - are you attempting to boot with NFS?
[13:40] <J-JITO> Not at all
[13:40] <TJ-> J-JITO: in which case that isn't needed
[13:40] <J-JITO> But I already tried to remove eth0 and commented #DEVICE=
[13:40] <J-JITO> but I still got the same warning
[13:40] <TJ-> J-JITO: did you re-run "sudo update-initramfs -u" after making the change?
[13:40] <J-JITO> yep
[13:41] <J-JITO> update-initramfs -uk all
[13:41] <J-JITO> but I still get the warning
[13:41] <J-JITO> even when I change it to lo or wlan0
[13:41] <J-JITO> lo I get an error with IP-Config: lo mtu 1500 DHCP RARP
[13:42] <TJ-> J-JITO: have you investigated the initrd.img-$VERSION archive to see if that has actually been missed off somehow? That's what I usually do
[13:42] <J-JITO> wlan0 linux doesn't boot
[13:42] <J-JITO> how to check that ?
[13:42] <TJ-> kernel/initramfs shouldn't be trying to get a network connection
[13:43] <J-JITO> ok but how to tell my kernel don't boot over network ?
[13:45] <TJ-> J-JITO: I extract the initramfs filesystem and explore it, 'grep' for strings I'm interested in, and so on. I use 'unmkinitramfs' in /tmp, as in "pushd /tmp; mkdir initrd; cd initrd; sudo unmkinitramfs -v /boot/initrd.img-$(uname -r) . ; grep -rn DEVICE  "
[13:46] <J-JITO> ok let me try it
[13:46] <J-JITO> for example, grep for strings that contain eth0, right ?
[13:48] <TJ-> J-JITO: I'd search for anything trying to use the variable DEVICE
[13:48] <TJ-> J-JITO: but yes, mentions of eth0 should be rarer so do that first
[13:48] <TJ-> hmmm, time do-release-upgrade was updated
[13:48] <TJ-> "You have to download a total of 755 M. This download will take about 1 hour 35 minutes with a 1Mbit DSL connection and about 1 day 5 hours with a 56k modem."
[13:51] <J-JITO> OK i did it
[13:51] <J-JITO> grep -sor "DEVICE\|eth0" $(pwd)
[13:51] <J-JITO> I found DEVICE commented most of the time
[13:51] <J-JITO> and eth0 also
[13:52] <J-JITO> just what I did in initramfs.conf then update-initramfs -uk all
[13:54] <TJ-> J-JITO: if I hadn't seen you use "update-initramfs -uk **all**" I'd have guessed the kernel version being booted wasn't one that got an updated initrd.img
[13:54] <TJ-> J-JITO: right - that file is copied in
[13:54] <J-JITO> well I can just update-initramfs the only kernel version I use currently
[13:55] <J-JITO> but I have two versions in case on of them bricks
[13:55] <TJ-> thing is, you've just proved the changes made are in there, for the currently booted kernel version, so this is strange
[13:56] <TJ-> there are usually 2 ways to trigger this; kernel command-line (checked, OK) and this config file
[13:56] <J-JITO> update-initramfs -u
[13:56] <J-JITO> I just did that now
[13:57] <J-JITO> by the way, I'm using kali, which is based heavily on debian
[13:57] <TJ-> J-JITO: ooooo .... did you say you've commented out as in #DEVICE= ? that might break it, it needs to explicitly be set to null
[13:57] <TJ-> J-JITO: so it isn't even an Ubuntu issue! Ask Kali people, we have no idea what they may have changed
[13:57] <J-JITO> so you want me just to uncomment and keep it like this DEVICE=
[13:58] <J-JITO> well nobody knows for sure
[13:58] <J-JITO> and since it's all debian based
[13:58] <TJ-> J-JITO: that is what it is in that file by default, setting it to an empty string
[13:58] <J-JITO> let me check again
[13:58] <TJ-> J-JITO: but you need to understand EVERY flabour makes changes
[13:59] <J-JITO> what do you mean ?
[13:59] <TJ-> E.G. who set DEVICE=eth0 on that file? it's not a default for Debian or Ubuntu
[13:59] <J-JITO> I did just to test, but by default it was empty
[13:59] <J-JITO> I needed to change it in order to see if the warning goes or not
[14:00] <J-JITO> ok, I removed it, DEVICE is empty
[14:00] <J-JITO> and update-initramfs
[14:00] <TJ-> J-JITO: so maybe something else in Kali sets something that triggers it anyhow, especially as you reported a similar message for the loopback "lo" interface. We can't support non-Ubuntu OSes here
[14:00] <J-JITO> no it is not kali related
[14:01] <J-JITO> because when I live boot kali, I don't have this warning
[14:01] <J-JITO> it is more likely due to a package installation or a misconfigured file maybe
[14:02] <tomreyn> J-JITO: please do not try to get help here with issues that occur on anything other than what's stated as supported in the topic. it is stated there for a reason.
[14:02] <J-JITO> ok no problem :(
[14:02] <tomreyn> if you can reproduce it with ubuntu, feel free to come again
[14:06] <TJ-> from now on I'm going to ask for output from some cryptic command that reveals the distro and cannot easily be spoofed!
[14:07] <TJ-> hash of something unique I think. and I'll keep a note of what the hash is for each release/package combo :)
[15:07] <up_running> Can ibus and fcitx exist together on the same system?
[15:09] <tomreyn> up_running: i think you can co-install them and switch between them using im-config
[15:10] <up_running> Would you say that fcitx is the default now?
[15:10] <tomreyn> i really lack experience with input methods, can't comment
[15:13] <tomreyn> up_running: ibus continues to be in 'main', whereas 'fcitx' contiunues to be in 'universe', if this has anything to say.
[15:15] <up_running> tomreyn: Very interesting. I'm actually on Gentoo, so I had to Google 'main' and 'universe', but it seems that ibus has official support whereas fcitx is community-driven.
[15:17] <tomreyn> up_running: and, is this called "Gentoo"?
[15:17] <up_running> tomreyn: My real problem is trying to mimic how Windows allows users to use key combinations to switch languages.
[15:18] <tomreyn> up_running: your real problem is seeking support for unrelated distributions on #ubuntu
[15:18] <up_running> tomreyn: Yes, I know this isn't #gentoo, but i just wanted to get a general consensus on the state of things as gentoo isn't as utilized as ubuntu.
[15:18] <up_running> this isn't a #gentoo problem. it is a #ibus or #fcitx issue
[15:19] <leftyfb> up_running: please ask in #gentoo
[15:19] <up_running> so, I was hoping a ibus or fcitx ubuntu user could provide some insight. my personal distro doesn't matter afaik.
[15:20] <leftyfb> up_running: you can also try ##linux
[15:22] <up_running> tomreyn: your comment was quite helpful, I'm not sure why my mentioning of gentoo seemed to be a problem.
[15:23] <leftyfb> up_running: If your question is distro-agnostic, then you might be better served in ##linux
[15:23] <tomreyn> up_running: i'm glad i could help you. please understand we do not appreciate polls on this channel, or seeking support when you actully don't mean to get support with runngin ubuntu.
[15:24] <tomreyn> up_running: and as leftyfb said, there are other channels which may be more suitable
[15:24] <tomreyn> there's also #ubuntu-discuss
[15:41] <up_running> ok, my apologies and thank you.
[15:50] <hggdh> !ls
[15:51] <hggdh> today is my day to spam... I apologise
[17:12] <_lucifer> hi all! I upgraded yesterday to ubuntu to 21.04 from 20.10. since the upgrade, chromium ocassionaly hangs up for a few seconds. i get a chromium not responsding dialog. i click on wait and the browser starts responding again after a few seconds. any ideas how to solve this issue?
[17:19] <Maik> _lucifer: let me guess.... Wayland?
[17:20] <Maik> try X11 and see if that improves things
[17:20] <_lucifer> Maik: sorry, didn't understand you
[17:20] <_lucifer> oh, thanks! i'll try that
[17:20] <Maik> _lucifer: ubuntu 21.04 uses wayland by default but Wayland is far from ready and causes much issues
[17:21] <Maik> you can choose the session at the login screen
[17:28] <_lucifer> Maik, i ran `loginctl show-session 18 -p Type` and got `Type=x11`. also, on the login screen, i have 3 options `GNOME`, `GNOME Classic` and `Ubuntu`.
[17:31] <Maik> Gnome adn Gnome classic shouldn't even be there. Ubuntu and Ubuntu on Xorg should be the only ones.
[17:31] <Maik> adn/and
[17:33] <_lucifer> oh! any ideas could have gone wrong?
[17:34] <Maik> maybe you installed those yourself?
[17:35] <Maik> i upgraded from 20.04 to 20.10 to 21.04 and only see the Ubuntu and Ubuntu on Xorg options.
[17:38] <_lucifer> i have followed a similar path. right, i might have installed the gnome stuff some time ago myself.
[17:45] <_lucifer> my GPU is nvidia, so wayland's probably disabled for me anyways.
[17:48] <Maik> ah, nVidia. In that case you indeed already use Xorg. I forgot about that. Sorry.
[18:10] <tomreyn> _lucifer: you may be able to get more details on the chromium hang when you run it from a terminal. check whether this also happens in chromium "safe mode" (extensions disabled). also, you can access this location in chromium chrome://about and select some of these special URLs for further analysis.
[18:14] <johnjay> question about the live cd: is it reasonably safe to boot from a live cd if its version is >= the version on disk?
[18:14] <johnjay> i want to replace my ubuntu 18 disk with the latest but my install is 20
[18:15] <_lucifer> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/zHvgi4id/
[18:15] <_lucifer> tomreyn: i get the above log when running from terminal.
[18:16] <_lucifer> it also happens with extensions disabled.
[18:16] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | johnjay
[18:16] <tomreyn> johnjay: and yes, it is reasonably safe to boot from a live cd if its version is >= the version on disk
[18:16] <tomreyn> also if it's lower or the same
[18:17] <johnjay> ok. i got an error about unimplemented reference 0x4 when trying to use the ubuntu 18.04 disk today to recover my system
[18:17] <johnjay> normally grub-install is happy to reinstall and hasn't given me that error before.
[18:17] <tomreyn> you asked about using the live cd to boot, not to recover the installed system
[18:17] <johnjay> someone managed to help me boot back into the system though with a clever chroot command
[18:18] <johnjay> is there a problem with that?
[18:18] <johnjay> i thought maybe there might be
[18:19] <tomreyn> no problem, it's just a different question, and a different answer. i wouldn't try to chroot recover an instllation using an older ubuntu release, or even an older minor release.
[18:21] <tomreyn> _lucifer: hmm, i couldn't tell from this output. check journalctl -f, too
[18:21] <tomreyn> _lucifer: maybe also compare to a non snap installation (if this is one)
[18:22] <johnjay> i believe the chroot command he said to use which worked was to tell apt to reinstall grub
[18:22] <johnjay> ah ok it was "apt-get install --reinstall grub{,2}-common grub-efi-amd64{,-bin,-signed}"
[18:23] <johnjay> tomreyn: well it's too late to troubleshoot now i suppose. but what would have been the right way to proceed?
[18:23] <tomreyn> johnjay: when you chroot into an installation, you're still running the same kernel version you booted into. this kernel version may not be fully compatbile to the installed system, so that's something to keep in mind.
[18:23] <johnjay> ah ok. yeah i thought about that. it's not like you're swapping to the other kernel
[18:24] <tomreyn> johnjay: i'd just use the same or newer ubuntu release to chroot into some exisitng installation.
[18:24] <johnjay> what happened is i installed windows so i load my ubuntu 18.04 cd to restore grub like i've done before
[18:24] <johnjay> but for some reason the grub-install command failed
[18:24] <johnjay> this was the error: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1335439/grub-install-error-relocation-0x4-is-not-implemented-yet
[18:25] <johnjay> oh ok so the idea of chrooting wasn't necessarily bad
[18:25] <johnjay> i thought maybe i should have tried something else irst
[18:25] <_lucifer> tomreyn, journalctl doesn't seem to give anything useful. here's the log anyways,
[18:25] <_lucifer> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/A7K7uRHA/
[18:26] <tomreyn> johnjay: if ubuntu won't boot because grub was overwritten then you don't have too many other options
[18:26] <_lucifer> indeed this is a snap installation. i'll try installing without it.
[18:28] <johnjay> i see
[18:29] <tomreyn> _lucifer: the many CTRL-EVENT-SIGNAL-CHANGE messages may be related. if your wireless connection is unreliable, consider deactivating power saving on the wireless lan interfacve
[18:32] <tomreyn> johnjay: if you don't strictly require running windows bare metal, and the system provides sufficient resources (RAM, CPU), consider running windows in a VM under ubuntu instead. that way, you can both run both at the same time, and not have windows destroy grub in the future.
[18:36] <johnjay> ah ok
[20:27] <rjwiii> Ubuntu 20.04 - latest updates ... I'm getting an update screen that says 604 MB is to be downloaded, but the update list is empty ... any ideas?
[20:31] <summonner> why do you think your update list is empty?
[20:32] <johnjay> by the way is there a way to go to ubuntu settings in 21 or 20 and enable the compose key?
[20:32] <johnjay> or does that still have to be done with gnome-tweaks?
[21:07] <dave_7781b> 2
[22:17] <TJ-> just done a d-r-u 18.04>20.04  and triyng to resolve outstanding package issues. Trying to figure out what the over-arching package(s) are that will keep these packages installed "The following packages will be REMOVED libzip5 php-curl php-gd php-json php-sqlite3 php-xml php-zip php7.4-curl php7.4-gd php7.4-sqlite3 php7.4-xml php7.4-zip"
[23:07] <marcodiego> I'm having problems recording sound on my computer. It seems like the second one suggested in https://askubuntu.com/questions/1230016/headset-microphone-not-working-on-ubuntu-20-04 is correct, but when I go to https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/sound/hd-audio/models.html#alc22x-23x-25x-269-27x-28x-29x-and-vendor-specific-alc3xxx-models I cant find the correct codec model for my sound card
[23:07] <marcodiego> what should I do?
[23:25] <marcodiego> can't record audio on ubuntu 20.04 . Output from "cat /proc/asound/card*/codec* | grep Codec" gives "Codec: Realtek ALC3221". How can I fix it?
[23:58] <grummund> Hi, anyone know how to disable 'relatime' and enable 'atime' on the root partition please?