[10:24] <bittin> heya
[11:03] <bittin> ready for my meeting in 1 hour
[12:00] <bittin> so time for the Ubuntu Membership Request meeting?
[12:00] <Wild_Man> Hello bittin
[12:00] <Wild_Man> Yes bittin
[12:00] <bittin> hey Wild_Man
[12:01] <Wild_Man> bittin, we will get started in a couple of minutes
[12:02] <bittin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LunaJernberg i have contributed to Ubuntu translations 2008-2009 and 2020 and now 2021: https://translations.launchpad.net/%7Ebittin/+activity are helping out with QA/ISO Testing for coming Ubuntu releases: https://translations.launchpad.net/%7Ebittin/+activity has helped out with giving out Ubuntu CDs at Software Freedom day in 2008 and will help out at one of the Online
[12:02] <bittin> Ubucons later this year in October and November and has been using Ubuntu since 7.10 back in 2007
[12:03] <Wild_Man> Will all Board Members that are present check in please?
[12:03] <diddledan> hold fire
[12:03] <bittin> okay
[12:03] <bittin> t check in please?
[12:03] <bittin> 14:03 < diddledan> hold fire
[12:03] <bittin> 14:03 < bittin> okay
[12:03] <bittin> whoops
[12:03] <bittin> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers even
[12:03] <Bashing-om> here
[12:03] <bittin> holds and awaits the board/council
[12:04] <Wild_Man> bittin, give us minute we need to start the meeting officially before posting your information
[12:04] <bittin> alright
[12:06] <diddledan> ok let's get going then, I think we've got everyone who can make it
[12:06] <diddledan> .startmeeting Ubuntu Membership Board
[12:06] <diddledan> dang it I got the command wrong
[12:06] <bittin> # ?
[12:06] <Wild_Man> #startmeeting 12:00 UTC Membership Board Meeting
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[12:07] <diddledan> thanks, Wild_Man :-)
[12:07] <diddledan> #chair diddledan
[12:07] <diddledan> .chair diddledan
[12:07] <diddledan> hmm
[12:07] <bittin> think Wild_Man need to add you as he started the meeting
[12:07] <diddledan> you'll have to do the honours I think
[12:08] <Wild_Man> Hello and welcome to the Membership Board meeting!
[12:08] <Wild_Man> The wiki page for the Review Board is available here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards. We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting.
[12:08] <Wild_Man> If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off. The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[12:08] <Wild_Man> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[12:08] <Wild_Man> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[12:09] <Wild_Man> bittin, now post your information please
[12:09] <bittin> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LunaJernberg i have contributed to Ubuntu translations 2008-2009 and 2020 and now 2021: https://translations.launchpad.net/%7Ebittin/+activity are helping out with QA/ISO Testing for coming Ubuntu releases: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/testers has helped out with giving out Ubuntu CDs at Software Freedom day in 2008 and will help out at one of the Online
[12:10] <bittin> Ubucons later this year in October and November and has been using Ubuntu since 7.10 back in 2007
[12:10] <bittin> Luna bittin Jernberg 30 year old and Swedish
[12:11] <Wild_Man> bittin, how long have you been contributing since you became active again?
[12:12] <bittin> translations since about sometime 2020 and Q&A/ISO-Testing since sometime 2019
[12:12] <bittin> and for helping out with Ubucon Online i joined their first planning meeting last Saturday
[12:13] <Wild_Man> Thanks
[12:13] <bittin> np
[12:14] <ogra> bittin, why did you change IRC nicks ... i'm sure many of us know and recognize you as luna from multiple channels 🙂
[12:14] <bittin> ogra: got to lazy to ssh into my shell and started irssi locally on my computer
[12:14] <ogra> ah
[12:14] <bittin> where i use my old nickname as login
[12:15] <bittin> so alternating a bit
[12:17] <Wild_Man> luna do you have any testimonials on an old wiki page?
[12:17] <bittin> nope
[12:17] <Wild_Man> ok
[12:17] <bittin> have not collected any
[12:19] <diddledan> Luna, are you interacting with other members of the translations teams much, or are you working mostly on your own?
[12:19] <diddledan> same with the QA teams
[12:20] <bittin> have been talking a bit with GunnarHj and  Haaninjo and for QA i am in their Telegram group and IRC channel and have been talking a bit with jibel some years ago and with philipz and RikMills a bit recently
[12:20] <bittin> first two being for translations
[12:22] <bittin> mostly interacting a bit via Telegram groups, irc and mailinglists
[12:23]  * RikMills perks an ear
[12:23] <diddledan> o/
[12:23] <Wild_Man> that is normal ways to communicate these days
[12:23] <bittin> well thats true
[12:24] <RikMills> bittin is very keen to contribute and test, and has done so usefully IIRC
[12:25] <Wild_Man> Thanks RikMills
[12:28] <Wild_Man> #voters Wild_Man diddledan bashing-om
[12:28] <meetingology> Current voters: Wild_Man, bashing-om, diddledan
[12:28] <RikMills> I would say they perhaps need a bit more direction on that from experienced community people, as sometimes enthusiasm has meant things have posted that are not quite correct
[12:28] <RikMills> but I admit I probably did that in the early days
[12:29] <Wild_Man> Noted RikMills, thanks
[12:29] <Wild_Man> #vote bittin  membership
[12:29] <meetingology> Please vote on: bittin  membership
[12:29] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, -1 or +0 in channel (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1|-1|+0 #channelname')
[12:29] <Wild_Man> +1
[12:29] <meetingology> +1 received from Wild_Man
[12:29] <diddledan> +1
[12:29] <meetingology> +1 received from diddledan
[12:30] <Bashing-om> +1
[12:30] <Wild_Man> Congratulations bittin
[12:30]  * diddledan kicks the bot
[12:30] <Wild_Man> HAHAHA
[12:30] <bittin> o:
[12:30] <bittin> i did not see the voting ended
[12:31] <Wild_Man> #endvote
[12:31] <meetingology> Voting ended on: bittin  membership
[12:31] <meetingology> Votes for: 2, Votes against: 0, Abstentions: 0
[12:31] <meetingology> Motion carried
[12:31] <Wild_Man> The vote count is off, bot needs coffee too I guess
[12:32] <bittin> lol :p
[12:32] <Wild_Man> Keep up the good work bittin
[12:32] <Wild_Man> Thanks for your contributions
[12:33] <bittin> will do my best
[12:33] <diddledan> congratulations Luna, don't forget to check out the perks (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership#The_Benefits) and request your certificate (https://forms.canonical.com/certificate/)
[12:34] <bittin> will do :) thanks
[12:34]  * RikMills got some stickers with the cert ;)
[12:34] <Wild_Man> #endmeeting
[12:34] <meetingology> Meeting ended at 12:34:50 UTC.  Minutes at https://new.ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2021/ubuntu-meeting.2021-05-19-12.06.moin.txt
[12:35] <diddledan> RikMills: that's cheating
[12:35] <bittin> This form is restricted to certain teams. You are not a member of any of those teams.  seems i am not added to request the cert yet
[12:35] <RikMills> I don't care
[12:35] <bittin> but maybe it takes a while
[12:35] <diddledan> we'll get you added to the group shortly
[12:35] <bittin> thanks
[12:35] <ogra> congrats bittin !
[12:35] <diddledan> it's a manual process :-)
[12:35] <RikMills> oh, and congrats
[12:36] <bittin> heh have some coffee and do it when you have time
[12:36] <bittin> thx
[12:38] <Wild_Man> You're welcome and you are added to the Ubuntu Membership on launchpad, it will take a couple of days before your ubuntu email is available
[12:39] <bittin> alright good to know
[12:45] <bittin> is there any channel for Membership information or is it best to idle here?
[12:48] <RikMills> neither
[12:48] <bittin> ah alright, could someone ping me via email or such when i can request my certificate and i have an email and so on?
[12:49] <RikMills> you should get an email from launchpad when you are added to the members team
[12:50] <bittin> Wild_Man: added me there now, but said some things might take some days
[12:50] <RikMills> the email is a things that gets run every few days by canonical admin, so just wait until the address starts to work
[12:50] <RikMills> you don't get 'told' IIRC
[12:50] <bittin> ah alright will do thanks
[12:51] <RikMills> FYI: same applies if you change your primary LP email. the email forwarding updates every couple of days if you do
[12:52] <bittin> ah good to know
[12:53] <RikMills> Also I believe there are some guides on the wiki to configuring email service to send as your ubuntu.com address
[12:53] <bittin> cool will look at those when i got my adress
[12:55] <bittin> thx
[20:36] <Laney> dear CC, I'm sure you're going to talk about IRC later when I'm in bed. Just a request - can someone please take an action to write everything up on discourse, so we can ask any questions? thanks!
[20:45] <toddy> Laney: I have noted it
[22:59] <madhens> Hello all! And @laney I'll post a summary tonight
[23:00] <toddy> Hello madhens :)
[23:00] <madhens> Hello!
[23:00] <nhaines> _o/
[23:01] <Eickmeyer> o/
[23:03] <teward> the only thing on the radar that's pressing right now, other than Forum Council stuff, is the IRCC's proposal
[23:04] <teward> and it seems like we've got that handled on the ML right now
[23:05] <nhaines> The IRCC proposal wasn't abrupt, since trouble's been brewing with Freenode for 2 months now.  But it *was* received just a couple of hours ago.
[23:05] <teward> nhaines: true, but i'm more concerned about how much work will it actually take to migrate everything over.
[23:06] <teward> and regarding the email you just sent RE: namesapces, all the namespaces are, I believe, owned by IRCC
[23:06] <teward> lubuntu, kubuntu, etc.
[23:06] <madhens> So will you all continue the chat on the mailing list and then update the community via Discourse, and let me know if there's any infrastructure/IS changes we need to push?
[23:06] <Eickmeyer> teward: That's why we delegated. I believe this is a job for the existing IRCC since the election is not done.
[23:06] <teward> Eickmeyer: IRCC has made a resolution currently that we need to make a decision on moving.
[23:06] <teward> and pushed it to CC to decide
[23:07] <Eickmeyer> With your provisional +1 that's +4, which is quorum.
[23:07] <nhaines> teward: yes, they're owned by the IRCC and the IRCC said they wanted the input of the stakeholders to be considered.
[23:07] <teward> nhaines: Eickmeyer: then I suggest we hold until IRCC has checked with the other stakeholders as that's their job
[23:07] <teward> and we push any decision off until we hear back from IRCC
[23:07] <teward> The current vote is quorate to support the resolution, but as we're going to be waiting for 'stakeholders' that support of the resolution is a soft quorum
[23:07] <teward> and not a hard confirm
[23:07] <teward> to qyote you Eickmeyer ;)
[23:08] <jose> I would suggest approving this as soon as we can so that we can move forward when we are all ready.
[23:08] <Eickmeyer> ^ Agreed. There is a sense of urgency from the community
[23:08] <Eickmeyer> And it's our duty to answer.
[23:08] <toddy> jose: +1
[23:09] <nhaines> I do think we should expedite getting feedback, however.  There's a logistical issue with actually migrating everything over, but we should be ready to do once that can be achieved.
[23:09] <teward> Eickmeyer: jose: then we should state we support the movement, provided that current IRCC polls the other stakeholders for the namespaces as to their opinions
[23:09] <teward> i'm +1 on choosing Libera Chat as the new home of the IRC communications and such
[23:09] <Eickmeyer> nhaines: The logistical issue is for the IRCC to figure out, and madhens with IS to help.
[23:09] <Eickmeyer> Chances are they already have a plan in mind.
[23:10] <nhaines> I support the IRC Council resolution in full, including the proposal to move from Freenode to Libera Chat.
[23:10] <Eickmeyer> That's +5 then.
[23:10] <nhaines> I think it's prudent to quickpoll channel stakeholders to see if there are any objections or other issues we haven't anticipated.
[23:10] <teward> I'll reply to the email then
[23:11] <nhaines> But if they're comfortable with Community Council approval, then we should do what we can to make this transition.  And it's going to be a massive documentation issue on top of the technical issues.
[23:11] <teward> nhaines: I say the IRCC should be quickpolling stakeholders
[23:11] <nhaines> (they == IRCC)
[23:11] <teward> as they have the larger insight to who's who
[23:11] <nhaines> teward: I think that's wise.
[23:12] <nhaines> I should also mention I was up late reading resignation letters and chat logs and feel I have a comprehensive understading of the situation.
[23:12] <Eickmeyer> I didn't need to read those letters. The sheer number of them shows the sheer magnitude of this issue.
[23:12] <teward> i'm crafting the email to reply to rww's message and IRCC
[23:13] <teward> want to make sure we desginate the IRCC tasks
[23:13] <teward> (1) poll all stakeholders to determine who would NOT like to move, or who would object, if any.
[23:13] <nhaines> And since I've been managing diverse communities for 23 years now (how did that happen?) I can say that from Freenode Limited's attitude and responses, I fully support the former Freenode staff and the IRCC's conclusion.
[23:13] <teward> (2) IRCC must handle the logistics of migration
[23:14] <teward> (3) IRCC must update (and provide if CC requests) documentation of a plan for migration as well as relevant stakeholders for which namespaces.  (Lubuntu's an easy one, that's Lubuntu Council / Lubuntu Team Lead)
[23:14] <teward> anything wrong in these, or anything I'm missing?
[23:14] <Eickmeyer> Member cloaks.
[23:15] <teward> Eickmeyer: I had assumed that would be part of #2
[23:15] <toddy> Member cloaks belongs to the migration, I think
[23:15] <Eickmeyer> Fair.
[23:15] <teward> i.e. a logistical part of the migration
[23:15] <Eickmeyer> I have nothing further.
[23:15] <nhaines> I concur with teward.
[23:16] <toddy> +1
[23:16] <teward> anything else for me to add to the list of tasks IRCC must handle?
[23:17] <teward> ok guess not so moving on
[23:17] <teward> Forum Council
[23:17] <teward> any objections to the requested renewals?
[23:17] <Eickmeyer> No objections.
[23:17] <teward> if not I'm going to just handle the requested renews, if there is an objection raise it now or before Friday
[23:17] <nhaines> No objections from me.
[23:17] <teward> none from me, but need a 4th of 'no objections' to consider it a quorate decision
[23:17] <jose> zero objections
[23:18] <teward> +4 in favor of the renewal, so I'll handle that after the meeting.
[23:18] <toddy> no objections from my side
[23:18] <teward> I'm going to nip out because I have to go meet my dad who's dropping stuff off, back in a bit.
[23:18] <madhens> Let the IRCC know if they need any assistance on the logistics of the migration, to contact myself or Rhys. We're chatting with other distros and needless to say, we're not the only ones doing this. Someone like Fedora might have good pointers on tools.
[23:18] <teward> i don't think there's anything else of relevance?
[23:18] <teward> madhens: yep, will do.
[23:18] <madhens> Great
[23:19] <nhaines> madhens: this is welcome collaboration.  :)
[23:19] <Eickmeyer> I do know that Fedora is expediting their move to Matrix.
[23:20] <madhens> @nhaines It's only just started but it is really helpful, especially on days like today.
[23:21] <madhens> So once the move is formalized, how can we help with getting word out to the community?
[23:22] <nhaines> Well, that's the difficult part, really.  We're going to need to update a ton of documentation, including the wiki and I *think* the Ubuntu desktop guide.  But I don't read that since I already know everything, so I'm not sure.  :)
[23:23] <Eickmeyer> Studio has a chatroom link in the menu that, for 20.04, was to the freenode web IRC, so that'll have to get SRU'd, and I'll take care of that once everything is done.
[23:24] <nhaines> We'll probably want to make sure we keep a transitional presence on freenode for a while.  Maybe channel topics advising of the move?
[23:24] <madhens> So humble. :) And pointers to our new IRC home would be a good idea.
[23:24] <Eickmeyer> With a bot periodically mentiong the move?
[23:25] <nhaines> Eickmeyer: also a good idea.
[23:25] <madhens> Eickmeyer: hadn't even thought about that. I'll definitely be sure to highlight that to Laney
[23:25] <madhens> And we can use the Ubuntu Twitter account to signal boost any announcements.
[23:26]  * Eickmeyer hears teward typing away from afar
[23:26] <nhaines> Okay, I think we're all moving in the right direction.  Let's keep brainstorming this as we wait for the IRCC to collect feedback.
[23:27] <nhaines> Maybe an RFC on the Ubuntu Community Hub would be useful.
[23:27] <madhens> RFC?
[23:27] <nhaines> I guess I'll get a link to that on /r/Ubuntu if the community hasn't beat me to it.
[23:27] <nhaines> madhens: request for comments
[23:28] <madhens> Gotcha :)
[23:28] <nhaines> But not the formal IETF kind.  Just the generic kind.  :)
[23:28] <Eickmeyer> We might also mention that the RFC isn't a vote, just a place to voice opinion.
[23:28] <Eickmeyer> We're not taking a mass vote from the community on this issue.
[23:29] <nhaines> Yeah.  Probably don't call it an RFC.
[23:29] <teward> OK i'm good to go
[23:30] <teward> yeah i had to go outside and grab a stack of paper from my dad - lots of letters xD
[23:30] <teward> anyways, we will need a temporary transitional presence on Freenode, definitely.
[23:30] <teward> but i'm assumign that'll all be discussed as part of Logisitcs.
[23:30] <teward> any additional actions for IRCC I have to add here, other than update documentation, etc.?
[23:30] <teward> which will be a multi-team effort overall?
[23:31] <nhaines> I think we're off to a strong start.
[23:32] <Eickmeyer> Agreed. This does need to move reasonably and prudently.
[23:32] <madhens> This has been very reassuring. Thank you all.
[23:33] <toddy> thank you, madhens :)
[23:33] <teward> OK so I'll send the email off, including madhens as a PoC for Canonical on logistics, and also a note that we, the CC, are here to assist as well if needed.  Because, technically, we are if they get overwhelmed or overloaded and need additional hands to get everything moved/migrated/setup.  Objections to that?
[23:33] <teward> it's not an edict but a statement to IRCC we are here to help if they need it
[23:33] <teward> (because we are xD)
[23:33] <Eickmeyer> No objections.
[23:34] <nhaines> That sounds great!
[23:34] <teward> perfect I'll send this off shortly, then do the Forum Council stuff.  Nothing more from me, anything else for anyone else?
[23:34] <madhens> Thumbs up here!
[23:34] <Eickmeyer> Yeah, I think we're good.
[23:34] <jose> all good
[23:34] <madhens> I'll try to have a summary/minutes posted tonight on Discourse.
[23:34] <teward> perfect.  Informal meeting, done.  I'mma go do the FC stuff and send the email now.
[23:35] <Eickmeyer> Yep, I'm heading back to work.
[23:35] <nhaines> Yup, moar work
[23:35] <madhens> Watching Jeopardy for me! And, you know, typing stuff up. Thanks everyone!