[00:08] sarnold: Aha, I can now get my modules to work in groovy. I have to modify Makefile to change the SUBLEVEL and EXTRAVERSION because CONFIG_MODULE_FORCE_LOAD is off. [00:08] I'll try to repeat the trick in hirsute. [01:33] hello im on ubuntu 20.10, with a toshiba satellite l55. my touchpad is not working.. it is recognized here is the output of xinput list-props for it.. https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HHKDBcfVnW/ [01:33] can anyone help wth this? [01:35] i tried fresh installing several distros including kubuntu 20.04 and 20.10 and kde neon stable and pop os 20.10 and no touchpad support on any of them with this computer...the correct driver must not be in the kernel.. i have been at this for a couple days [03:20] hello. is there anyone here who can help me get the touchpad working on my laptop? Ubuntu 20.04 on a toshiba satellite l55 i have een trying for days === pikapika_lunar_a is now known as pikapika === VectorX is now known as MrFrodo [03:39] Hi, I'm trying to connect my android phone to ubuntu 20.04 but no joy. I've tried installing mtp utils but mtp-detect fails: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/CChs8K25N2/ [03:40] could someone please help me with this? Thanks ! [03:45] carpediembaby: use the GSConnect extension [03:46] and install KDEConnect on your phone [04:03] Maik, thanks. I manage to connect the two devices. That is already progress. But its painfully slow.. I'm not sure if its transferring data through USB? [04:57] Anyone know a way of getting the permanent hardware address without using 'ethtool -P interface_name' ? [06:14] ifconfig [06:14] ip link [06:19] Hi there: After upgrade to 21.04 my MOK signed kernels seem to be untrusted, I cannot boot these kernels due to "invalid signature" error... Any hints what might have changed? [06:22] Ky0sh1r0: there was a bug for the shim package blocking upgrades for a while, probably related to that [06:28] HI Guys.. There's an update for my bios & I'm currently trying to install it. I've downloaded the .iso & followed a tutorial to extract the .img & copy it to a usb using dd. Everything goes fine in the terminal with no errors or anything appearing. The usb automounts & I can see that files have been copied over & that it's name has changed. The problem is that whenever I reboot & select the usb from the boot menu, it's n [06:28] Anyone any ideas :? [06:28] This is the tutorial I followed is this one >> https://blog.raveland.org/post/thinkpad_update_bios/ & my laptop is a Thinkpad E470 with the BIOS Update (Bootable CD) being download directly from the lenovo website.... [06:29] furycd001: oh joys uerm ..... tbh I've either got fried updating bios booting from actual CD (heh, have so many old CD-Rs, why not!) ... [06:30] furycd001: -or- I've used syslinux's memdisk in "iso raw" parameter mode to simulate the iso booting in dos [06:31] I don't really want to update my bios but I'm still have some graphics problems from the other day & the nvidia forum has asked me to try updating it. [06:32] I'll look into that now & see if I can do anything with that thanks :) [06:32] furycd001: I've nevr had any thinkpads broken by doing lenovo bios update [06:32] ducasse: thx! okay, found shim related bug#1925010, maybe I get to it a bit closer [06:33] I actually never done a bios update before "EVER" so this is totally a new experience for me. I actually don't ever do that many re-installs either.... [06:34] furycd001: do you have actual CD-drive and actual cd-r at all ? [06:35] I have an external cd drive that I can plug in, but I don't know if I have any disks that I can use.... [06:36] Hold on & I'll have a look now.. brb.... [06:37] hello everyone! [06:37] Yea I don't have any disks that I can use.... [06:42] furycd001: what OSes do you use on thinkpad? [06:43] The only os I have installed is Xubuntu-core 18.04.5 [06:43] furycd001: hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrm -- thinking about it -- r.e. booting into bootable installer, ... you MAY need to turn on legacy booting function. [06:43] furycd001: CSM, Legacy+UEFI boot etc. [06:43] In the bios I have efi & secure boot both disabled [06:44] I'm pretty sure I done this current installation in legacy mode.... [06:46] furycd001: ok then you ready I can walk you through the memdisk hack [06:46] I'm ready :) [06:47] furycd001: dpkg -l grub-pc check you actually have 'normal' grub... [06:47] not grub-efi-amd64 [06:48] should show ii grub-pc and version [06:48] Yes I see this >> ii grub-pc [06:49] furycd001: ok apt-get install syslinux-common [06:49] (sudo) [06:50] Says its already installed [06:50] see pmsg window can be useful pasting examples etc i have memdisk block etc may need to show [06:55] I need help adding a second public IP to my NetPlan config, I'm using an AWS ec2 instance running Ubuntu 20.04, been really struggling, please help :( [06:55] I can paste my NetPlan config in a dump and link here? [06:58] https://www.codepile.net/pile/Zr3zKLYJ here it is [07:22] Hi. I'm new to world of Linux. Have been a Windows user my entire life, but recently started running Ubuntu full time. Figured I would jump onto the IRC server and say howdy. [07:23] hello Berlyn :) [07:23] sorry im back [07:23] did anyone help? [07:26] saberu: no one in your absence answered, but I think I have a notion for you... [07:27] saberu: 172.31.16.0/20 is CIDR non-routable [07:30] hi [07:30] I maybe understand my encrypt hibernation trouble, I think it come from systemd order [07:33] I understand the importance of stability for servers and enterprise machines, hence LTS being the default option for most. However I was wondering for general every day use on my home computer, how unstable is the latest non-LTS release versus the LTS. [07:38] for a home desktop, you'll likely find that the latest non-LTS development release is fine [07:45] Hi by ubuntu won't boot: many systemd module failed ,and in log it shows something like like can't set cgroup attribute blkio.weight :no file or directory [07:48] Berlyn, if you want later software, non-LTS provides that... LTS releases only get security upgrades (with few exceptions) not later software, which is what makes it more stable... Later software & six-monthly upgrades versus older software & upgrades every 2+ years [07:48] Hi [07:48] failed to set 'blkio.weight' attribute on [07:48] Anyone ?here [07:49] sanbot: something must have changed to get you from working boot to broken boot - any idea what it could be? [07:50] No i didn't ,i don't remember i did ,btw ,i was working on Android-studio it freezed so rebooted [07:50] Btw ,i was using xanmod kernel ,but falling back to default also didn't helped [07:51] sanbot, did you safely force shutdown (sysrq keys for example); if not I'd boot live media & `fsck` your partition(s) [07:52] Also steam client was working ,in last successful ,boot and it froze,it froze whole system ,i don't know how to use sysra :( [07:52] Sysrq* [07:53] Yeh fsck might help [07:53] Lemme try [07:53] Sysrq is a key on a keyboard (some newer keys don't have it shown & require multi-keys to get it..) - "magic sysrq" on a phone is useful to find commands; allow safely reboot, shutdown etc. on stuck gui/etc anything except kernel.panic [07:53] wikipedia entry for 'magic sysrq' is as good as any; and always appears top of phone search === ilbelkyr is now known as nicole [08:29] enyc, that sounds odd, since just little older intel stuff usually works perfectly. 3rd gen meaning what? From Core i CPUs? iX-3xxx CPU ? === Hash is now known as EnchanterTim === denningsrogue685 is now known as denningsrogue68 [08:54] bluesceada: will check... suggest an inxi command? [08:54] inxi -F [08:55] cat /proc/cpuinfo |grep model [08:56] oh lol booting older debian kernel with nomodeset doesn't work, need to *remove* that for it to work lol [08:57] works with debian 5.10.0-6 kernel without nomodeset only, ubuntu 5.11.0-18-generic (and -16) WITH nomodeset only [08:57] guiverc: hi problem solved ,seems like btrfs ,problem ,i deleted bunch of useless files and ran btrfs balance command [08:58] bluesceada: i3-3217U [08:59] intelsen, bluesceada : https://termbin.com/z2oi [09:01] OK can't directly help, you should search if there are known bugs. Otherwise run with a stable kernel for a while. But from a quick search it seems there are/were various issues with i915 and black screen [09:04] it could also be display/backlight related, otherwise no idea === EnchanterTim is now known as Hash [09:19] hey guys [09:19] how can i install older version of a package? [09:23] heller_: if it's available in the repo "sudo apt-get install :" [09:32] if you add sources to get the older version it's super easy to get a broken install [09:33] build it from source if you can [09:50] heyho === denningsrogue680 is now known as denningsrogue68 === denningsrogue686 is now known as denningsrogue68 [10:45] Hi is there any lightwight ubuntu version? i dont need any GUI. [10:47] funabashi: ubuntu server. or if you want 20.04, the legacy mini image. [10:48] funabashi: there's no mini image of 20.10 or 21.04 :-( [10:49] there is for ubuntu server, 20.10 and 21.04 [10:50] whcih one has lowest resource ubuntu mini or ubuntu server? [10:51] funabashi: ubuntu mini _CAN_ install ubuntu server or just base packages [10:54] how can i search for a version? [10:55] heller_: what do you mean? [10:55] apt search package:version ? [10:56] !packages | heller_ [10:56] heller_: You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !KPackageKit, !Muon, "apt-cache search ", or online at https://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 30000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways! [11:02] hmm seems like there is only one version available [11:03] which package? do you have multiverse/universe enabled? [11:04] libboost-all-dev [11:15] heller_, i'm not sure what you're after, but you can use packages.ubuntu.com to see what releases have what versions; or use `rmadison libboost-all-dev` to look from your own CLI (you'll need to install the scripts for that to work) === denningsrogue682 is now known as denningsrogue68 [12:17] I've resigned from volunteering for freenode for a good reason and I think you should know as well: https://mniip.com/freenode.txt (sorry for the spam (wait that's cliche)) [12:17] heller_: within your existing "APT sources" all available versions are listed by "apt-cache policy ..." [12:21] Hi folks [12:21] mniip: with libera.chat try to setup a nice "co-op"/"charity" governance structure, or else someone will try to monetize it again. [12:23] Not that I object to monetizing per se: Ubuntu/Canonical are both free software and a for-profit project, and it is fine, as it is transparent and fairly well managed. === MrFrodo is now known as VectorX [12:49] now that freenode has been sold, and a bunch of opers quit/got removed, will these channels be moving to a more neutral network? [12:54] would like to know that also Seven_Six_Two [12:55] i assume they will be moved, the namespace is already registered on libera [12:56] yeah I wasn't sure if it would be that, or maybe OFTC [13:06] Why does /usr/src/linux-headers-5.11.0-17/Makefile claim that the version is 5.11.12? How does Ubuntu's kernel build change the version to 5.11.0-17? === Agent_Isai is now known as Agent [13:59] I'm looking for a way to be sure that cryptswap is done before ZFS mount with systemd === tnewman2 is now known as tnewman === mateen1 is now known as mateen [14:48] LunarIRC (irc.lunarirc.net) - the friendliest IRC network around + free BNCs! We welcome retro hobbyists, devs and occultists. Drop by, feel at home, create and re-create channels and enjoy your stay! LunarAgent, over and out. === mateen1 is now known as mateen [15:05] Hi, in 18.04 how can I see what packages would tasksel server install? [15:05] I only get server^ as a result === Seven_Six_Two is now known as sevensixtwo [15:27] hyperknot: 'apt show server^' [15:33] ducasse: thanks [16:05] my institution gave me ca certs (.crt in pem format) ... how do i install on ubuntu 20.04? [16:09] reas0n: https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-install-ca-certificates-in-ubuntu-server/ [16:16] leftyfb is that valid for 20.04? I'm getting error saying package "ca-certificates" has no installation candidate [16:18] reas0n: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999 [16:22] hmmm no netcat either... this is a completely blank ubuntu 20.04 image, installing the ca certs is first thing i'm trying [16:23] in anycase os-release shows 20.04.2 LTS (Focal Fossa) [16:24] oh.... duh i should probably apt update [16:24] sudo apt install ca-certificates [16:25] Yeah ... ok that was it. I just needed to do an apt update first. thanks === Daemoen is now known as Guest28886 [16:36] Unusual challenge. 20.04, NetworkManager (NM). On home network I've two separate ISP connections (different ISPs) each with its own combined AP/router/DHCPv4 server. Z (slow) is 10.254.1.0/24, S (fast) is 192.168.1.0/24. Z and S are on the same Ethernet broadcast domain. Different SSIDs. When client connects to S's AP NM REQUESTs an address in Z's pool. S sends a DHCPNAK. NM then sends a DISCOVER [16:36] and gets an OFFER from Z which it REQUESTs and is ACKed. This causes the default route to be via Z (slow) rather than via S (fast). Trying to figure out how to tell NM to forget existing leases and directly do a DISCOVER. Any ideas? [16:42] TJ-: maybe flush dhclient -r so that upon reconnect, it will DISCOVER [16:45] pavlos: yeah, I'm trying to avoid manual intervention since this is a recurring issue. I was searching NM's settings expecting to find something but either missed it, or it doesn't exist. And I cannot create 2 connections with priorities since its on the same WiFi interface [16:58] TJ-: 2x ISP's and just your LAN devices...you could implement some load balancing / failover policies to manage these two ISP connections [17:01] tatertots: I use IPv6 heavily and that is only available on Z currently, but when I connect to S's AP I want IPv4 to be via that route. It's interim until Starlink adds full IPv6 routing so I suspect I'll have to use static settings for now === urdh_ is now known as urdh === ace_me1 is now known as ace_me === ProCycle is now known as Zaliek === elizabeth1 is now known as Elizabeth === Emcy is now known as emcy [17:56] so, my desktop just suddenly stopped all network communication [17:56] I couldn't ping anything [17:57] I rebooted it and it's working [17:57] where do I go in the logs to find what happened? [18:05] /Topic [18:05] . [18:06] bumblefuzz, /var/log/syslog and /var/log/kern.log [18:09] how do I grep everything from a certain time onward? [18:09] I'll post the output in here and see if anyone can make sense of it [18:19] bumblefuzz: "journalctl -b -1 --since="4 hours ago" ( or --since="15:04") [18:21] journalctl -b -1 --since="2021-05-19 15:30:00" produces the output: [18:21] -- Logs begin at Sun 2021-04-18 22:02:22 EDT, end at Wed 2021-05-19 14:20:45 EDT. -- [18:21] nvm [18:22] I'm an idiot [18:22] here's syslog: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vY7MbbGYz2/ [18:22] why would I suddenly be unable to ping anything [18:22] ? [18:23] you should be able to tell where I restarted [18:23] so, it happened before that [18:25] 9 0o [18:28] bumblefuzz: hardware/firmware fault "kernel: iwlwifi 0000:00:14.3: Queue 3 is stuck 11 165" [18:30] kernel fault? [18:30] what exactly does that mean? [18:35] ok so it was an error with the microcode for the network adapter? [18:35] it says restart requested [18:35] why wouldn't that have fixed it? [18:35] why did I have to reboot the whole machine? [18:35] why couldn't the adapter have been restarted? [18:39] bumblefuzz: does your network adapter have hotplug capabilities? [18:39] it's a laptop in this case, so I doubt it [18:40] I just would've thought restarting a component would be something the kernel could request [18:40] would be way simpler than rebooting an entire machine [18:40] and quicker too probably [18:42] it'd be super useful in so many ways === ledeni_ is now known as ledeni === Tobbi__ is now known as Tobbi [19:16] does ubuntu plan to use the libera.chat network? [19:17] so far I haven't seen consensus on what to do [19:18] "For the present, freenode is still the official IRC namespace for Ubuntu until you hear otherwise from official sources." -- from #ubuntu-offtopic's topic [19:55] does wireshark need to be compiled with options or are additional packages necessary to do usb sniffing on ubuntu? I'm not seeing USB available using the standard apt package, with or without sudo [19:58] jayjo: probably you need to load usbmon module [20:01] sooooooooo [20:16] how can i reset to default values all systemctl services i have run systemctl disable *.service I mean something like systemctl force-reload all or something, if someone knows? [20:16] and in boot all is messed up in red [20:16] and then to reboot [20:19] Anyone here good with PHP? [20:20] evit: you probably want to /join #php === MikeM65 is now known as MikeM6 === zkanda6 is now known as zkanda === rwdrich2 is now known as rwdrich === Koopzington is now known as Koopz [20:22] @lefytfb It is more of an Ubuntu package question. =) === elSueco7 is now known as elSueco === tofran8 is now known as tofran [20:22] evit: then ask your package-related (not php related) question [20:23] evit: oh, you're cross-posting [20:23] @leftyfb is that 'illegal' [20:24] Figured some one might know in either place =P [20:31] Where would I find this file: [ 0.985244] mhi mhi0: Direct firmware load for qcom/sdx55m/sbl1.mbn failed with error -2 [20:34] kierank: that doesn't seem to exist in either Ubuntu 18.04, 20.04 or 21.04 [20:35] leftyfb: correct, but my kernel tries to load it [20:35] 5.11.0-16-generic #17-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 14 20:12:43 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux [20:35] kierank: those errors can usually be ignored [20:35] well it's the reason my 5g modem is not starting [20:36] [ 0.993383] mhi mhi0: Direct firmware load for qcom/sdx55m/sbl1.mbn failed with error -2 [20:36] [ 0.993386] mhi mhi0: Error loading firmware: -2 [20:36] [ 0.993580] mhi-pci-generic 0000:01:00.0: failed to power up MHI controller [20:36] [ 0.993992] mhi-pci-generic: probe of 0000:01:00.0 failed with error -110 [20:36] it works with the vendor driver [20:36] !paste | kierank [20:36] kierank: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use https://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use https://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [20:36] kierank: by 5g modem, you mean your android phone? [20:36] No, a 5g modem [20:37] M2 NGFF [20:37] https://www.quectel.com/product/5g-rm500q-gl/ [20:37] I do wonder how it could be added without uploading the firmware [20:38] kierank: M2 NGFF is a connector standard, not a model # [20:38] I was clarifying it was not a phone [20:40] kierank: have you reached out to the hardware vendor for support? [20:40] Yes and they provided an out of tree driver and control program that works [20:40] I want it to work in ubuntu natively [20:41] kierank: then you'll have to convince the OEM to work on getting their drive into the linux kernel [20:41] driver* [20:41] The driver is there [20:41] the firmware is not [20:42] ATTENTION: This channel will be terminated. Any nicks remaining in the channel will also be terminated. This action cannot be undone. [20:42] sysadmin: please go away [20:42] kierank: then you'll have to convince the OEM to get their firmware into the linux-firmware package [20:42] Surely it's a bug that a kernel module loads a blob that doesn't exist [20:44] kierank: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v4.15/admin-guide/reporting-bugs.html [20:47] @any word on where #ubuntu might go to ? [20:47] Sicnus: not as of yet, no [20:47] Sicnus: further offtopic discussion should be in #ubuntu-offtopic [20:48] ok [20:48] greetings, where can I downoad udevadm? [20:49] isomari: it's part of the "udev" package which should be default on all installs of ubuntu [20:50] leftyfb: my mistake. it's installed. I was spelling it wrong. === oerheks1 is now known as oerheks === jgrim91057 is now known as jgrim9105 === Core6262 is now known as Core3096 === Core2147 is now known as Core6325 === Core7482 is now known as Core4386 === kevr` is now known as kevr [21:16] hi guys === ghoti_ is now known as ghoti [21:32] that was the fix... "modprobe usbmon" now allows me to monitor USB devices. But I'm trying to decode CCID frames, and they are only showing up as USB URBs. I've tried disabling all other protocols except USB CCID. I have tested a few USB readers, too. Is there some other setting needed? [21:32] I can't imagine what it'd be if I can now see what's going on *on the wire* [21:32] damn thats tough [22:02] I am using Wireshark 3.2.7, current version is 3.4.5. Could that be it? [22:02] possibly [22:02] I've got a vague feeling that gregkh had listed on his website once upon a time a tool to sniff on windows usb stuff [22:03] I can't recall if that was just to see what the windows drivers were doing or if that was because wireshark didn't do everything that was needed of it === ptx0 is now known as zfs [22:04] Way back in the day it appeared to work: https://ludovicrousseau.blogspot.com/2014/10/ccid-usb-spy-using-wireshark.html (from PC/SC author) [22:07] Is this channel going to move from freenode? === zfs is now known as ptx0 [22:09] giaco: Yes. It's now official: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2021-May/001922.html [22:10] CodeMouse92: thanks. Moving too [22:11] giaco: to answer your question: no, not yet [22:12] Puzzled [22:12] * Eickmeyer puts Community Council hat on [22:12] Ah, yeah, dyslexia pulled a fast one on me there [22:13] CodeMouse92, giaco: The community council has not made a decision yet. Until we do, all Ubuntu channels are remaining here. [22:14] should just go to matrix [22:14] Let's please stay on-topic here. This is for Ubuntu Support, not general discussion. [22:14] !ot [22:14] #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [22:28] hello friends, I just installed Ubuntu 21.04, before I was running Win10. I have some hard drives in my computer that were being used in Windows. I'm having dificulties mouting them. I get errors such as "wrong fs type", "NTFS signature is missing" etc. Could someone guide me through this or point me to resources? I've been trying some tutorials but I couldn't find one that worked yet. Basically [22:28] I want to have access to files in those drives. Thanks [22:32] noobiewan: do you have ntfs-3g installed? (sudo apt install ntfs-3g) [22:32] noobiewan, maybe it is an exfat filesystem, install exfat-fuse exfat-utils and remount the drive [22:32] https://itsfoss.com/mount-exfat/ [22:32] ntfs is native nowaadays [22:32] ok [22:33] nffs-3g is already installed [22:34] if the filesystem is damaged, that could also prevent mounting [22:35] like I'm not sure there is a partition, I was using the whole disk on windows [22:35] bitlocker? [22:36] encryption? [22:37] I don't remember setting any encryption [22:37] run a fsck on that drive https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilesystemTroubleshooting [22:49] Anyone know howto get the effects tab to show up in appearence ? I have the latest nvidia driver installed on a clean ver of Ubuntu 20.04 [22:51] Iv been looking stuff up on this on google for a while and cant seem to find the answer. [22:58] piranah: do you mean the tab that was removed 10 years ago? https://askubuntu.com/questions/40213/what-happened-to-the-visual-effects-tab-in-the-appearance-window [22:59] leftyfb: I thought it had been added back ? Im messing with compiz lol [23:00] piranah: compiz has been dead for years. I wouldn't trust it on my machine [23:00] Gusing its not worth the effort :) [23:00] OK thanks for the reply! Much respect! === nuala2 is now known as nuala [23:37] is there any way for me to put kali theme on ubuntu? [23:38] silatel, most themes are available at gnome-looks , but yes you can save the theme on a kali (live or other) session, then copy it to a ubuntu using the same-ish desktop [23:39] i looked on gnome-looks but couldn't find anything, only grub [23:39] which i assumed was just the "sign in" theme [23:39] then it was my same theme [23:40] how could i go about copying the theme on a kali and then to ubuntu? [23:40] from* kali to ubuntu [23:42] depends on what them you're asking about, i'd firstly look in /usr/share/themes/ (& likely copy everything & experiement later.. the directory isn't large) [23:43] I'm not well familiar with Kali Linux, but it used to use gnome-classic but I'm out of date sorry [23:43] i'm afraid to "break" something on my ubuntu :D [23:43] so i would just copy everything from /usr/share/themes/ of kali to the same dir of ubuntu? [23:43] and what do i do with my ubuntu /usr/share/themes/? [23:44] silatel, you could always experiment on a 'VM' then.. but I'd use `cp -pn` (key is -n to only copy NEW files that don't already exist on your ubuntu, so you're not overwriting your existing Ubuntu files) [23:44] i see [23:44] i thought there was a simple way for me to do it and i just didn't know about it [23:45] well then i'll try it on a vm first, and come back here if i have further questions [23:45] thank you for your help [23:45] silatel, I was assuming you'd be ADDING not replacing themes on your ubuntu; the `-n` achieves that [23:45] well i'm not sure if i need to add or replace actually [23:45] all i know is i want that theme :D [23:46] easy way is likely gnome-looks, finding the packages on kali & installing that is also possible, but I'd personally avoid that without homework first to ensure no consequences... what I'm suggested I consider low risk (just fiddly) [23:46] unfortunately, like i said, i couldn't find the theme i want on gnome-looks [23:48] yeah not easy... there are other sites that may have it.. why I usually opt for copying the files (which I store on a shared server for later use, contains themes, icons, pixmaps, fonts etc...