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 I have two noob questions to ask
 First of all, what does offline charging partial mean? (Xiaomi Mi A2)
 And secondly, how was the WiFi modem made to work? Was it reverse engineering
 [Edit] And secondly, how was the WiFi modem made to work? Was it reverse engineered?
 @crush_crush_crush [First of all, what does offline charging partial mean? (Xiaomi Mi A2)], it means the phone will try to boot when you try to charge it
 @crush_crush_crush [And secondly, how was the WiFi modem made to work? Was it reverse engineered?], by utilizing the existing vendor blobs rather than reverse engineering
 @Fuseteam [it means the phone will try to boot when you try to charge it], Ah, that's a minor inconvenience
 @Fuseteam [by utilizing the existing vendor blobs rather than reverse engineering], I see. That's a shame, but I should have expected that
[06:03] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> i think i half-fixed apt-get upgrade
[06:05] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> i installed xerial from libertine and used adduser _apt
 @Mertcan herolte [i installed xerial from libertine and used adduser _apt], um wait what?
[06:55] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> [Edit] i installed xerial from libertine and run: adduser _apt
[06:55] <ubptgbot> <Mertcan herolte> [Edit] i installed xerial from libertine and run: sudo adduser _apt
 @crush_crush_crush [I see. That's a shame, but I should have expected that], i mean reverse engineering is quite a resource intensive task so uh yeah
 @Fuseteam [i mean reverse engineering is quite a resource intensive task so uh yeah], Yes, but I can always dream :
 @Fuseteam [i mean reverse engineering is quite a resource intensive task so uh yeah], [Edit] Yes, but I can always dream :)
 pmOS, who are able to run mainline on a few devices to some extent STILL require qcom blobs
 even if you mainline the drivers, there's still firmware
 What's most cheapest well-supported device for running Ubuntu Touch ?
 A second hand Nexus 5 or Oneplus One.
 or Redmi note 7
 @libremax [or Redmi note 7], Does everything work already on that device? I know at lest 5 regressions in Halium 9/ Android 9 that need to be fixed still, mostly around LED, vibration, battery stats
 I know at least one guy used to N5 and VollaPhone who is happy with the Redmi note 7.
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 And "what works" in device description is pretty good: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/lavender/
 @Fuseteam [it means the phone will try to boot when you try to charge it], Violet has that problem too, no offline charging. Does it mean that i can't charge the phone when it's switched off?
 @sayanthtezro [Violet has that problem too, no offline charging. Does it mean that i can't char …], Btw i never tried it ( ubuntu touch) on my device
 @sayanthtezro [Btw i never tried it ( ubuntu touch) on my device], Then you are missing out!  😀
 Just watching videos doesn't give you the whole experience. If you want to get involved, I think the best way to start is by using it.
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 @klaartje_b [Just watching videos doesn't give you the whole experience. If you want to get i …], I want to, but i found that few features are missing. That's what stepping me back. Like mobile data, wifi, calls
 (Photo, 591x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/HGYLz8EC.png
 (Photo, 591x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/QydM6iIT.png
 @Stereofont [https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io], how to flash this ubuntu?
 read device specific instructions
 And i would like to know about app support
 @sayanthtezro [And i would like to know about app support], Is there telegram, signal available?
 @sayanthtezro [Is there telegram, signal available?], yes both are available
 And some third party apps like, instagram?
 only instragram web app
 @just_carlod [only instragram web app], Oh
 Any chance that it will support in any near future?
 @sayanthtezro [Any chance that it will support in any near future?], I don't need official instagram, unofficial port that support it's core features?
 so web app should be fine
 [Edit] Is it likely to get support in the future?
 @just_carlod [so web app should be fine], Okay
 I heard about anbox
 @sayanthtezro [I heard about anbox], Does that work as intended?
 Can i have whatsapp apk running on it?
 @sayanthtezro [Violet has that problem too, no offline charging. Does it mean that i can't char …], you can, it'll just.........bootloop untill it has enough charge to actually boot
 @sayanthtezro [Can i have whatsapp apk running on it?], yes no notifications, voice calls or video calls tho. much like whatsweb, the whatsapp web webapp
 @sayanthtezro [I want to, but i found that few features are missing. That's what stepping me ba …], That is why most people start with an older, second hand, well supported device.
 @K31j0 [patchelf&chill unless base os has no ld], how would you use patchelf to change where the libraries are loaded from? i see a mention of `RPATH`
 @K31j0 [patchelf&chill unless base os has no ld], [Edit] how would you use patchelf to change where the libraries are loaded from? i see a mention of `RPATH` but i don't quite get it
 @Fuseteam [yes no notifications, voice calls or video calls tho. much like whatsweb, the wh …], What? Through anbox too?
 @klaartje_b [That is why most people start with an older, second hand, well supported device.], Hmm, i guess i have to buy a new phone then. And use this current device as a test device
 The reason why like to use ubuntu touch is because of the desktop level features. like i can run most of Ubuntu's apps on it right?
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/2wEv0jU8.mp4
 good question
 @sayanthtezro [The reason why like to use ubuntu touch is because of the desktop level features …], Not 'most'. But 'some'. Through Libertine.
 @sayanthtezro [The reason why like to use ubuntu touch is because of the desktop level features …], Honestly, no. Desktop mode is about layout and appearance, not content
 @sayanthtezro [What? Through anbox too?], yes anbox currently has no hardware access, well not yet anyway. that's a work in progress
 Having your smartphone transform into something that can run a desktop does *not* mean your legacy desktop apps working on your smartphone. That's not why we use Ubuntu Touch.
 @Fuseteam wouldn't you just patch interpreter to your linker? I guess it would look for libs in $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
 @K31j0 [@Fuseteam wouldn't you just patch interpreter to your linker? I guess it would l …], the interpreter itself? hmmm
 if it's dynamically linked I guess ld would just supply the necessary libraries at runtime since I had /usr/local/lib break Ubuntu update once at work
 so i managed to find a way to package cli apps in a click (kudos to jonnius) but the libs are in a none standard place
 normally it does supply it at run time i think, but in this case its suppose to provide them for terminal :p
 want me to pm what i got?
 https://forums.ubports.com/topic/6186/i-need-your-help
 https://strawpoll.com/fqke9xyqg
 @C0n57an71n [https://strawpoll.com/fqke9xyqg], Some context would be nice.
 The last one is for: "Dear Ubees, … This is a non-standard message with two things to tell: … This is a proposed new template for the news letter. Tell us what you think! … And I need your help with something. More on that after the break. … This is a test email with the new news letter design. What do you think? I made a small poll wh
[10:57] <ubptgbot> ere you can do a thumbs up or thumbs down. Just click the link and vote with your gut feeling: … A small poll on strawpoll.com  … I need your help! … I need the help of the UBports community. Will you please help me? This is something everybody in the community can do.  … I need to create a list of news contacts. People I can send a press release t
[10:57] <ubptgbot> o. … I will import this into our Odoo instance so we can send them press messages when we've got something to tell. … This is what I would very much like you to do: … Make a small list of IT magazines in your country. So, Linux and open source magazines, but also general IT magazines that you know. Or business magazines that do tech news. … Make a
[10:57] <ubptgbot> small list of the biggest news papers in your country. If you want to add your favourite, go right ahead. … search on their website for the email address of their 'news desk'. (Let's say the IO channel of the journalists that work there.) … Send to me (jeroen at ubports dot com) this list like: "organisation or magazine name:", "if they mention fir
[10:57] <ubptgbot> st-name+last-name on their website","email address" … Any format will do. odt, csv, txt, I don't care, as long as I get the data! … Oh, and I need this as soon as possible but not too soon. Just, well, don't forget to do it, so do it now 😊 … Many, many, many thanks. … Greets, … Jeroen Baten … (Operational marketing manager jada jada of the UBports
[10:57] <ubptgbot>  Foundation) … Thank you for joining us!"
 ... there is a newsletter?
 You see why I posted here?
 Yes! There is!
 lol
 @Stereofont [Honestly, no. Desktop mode is about layout and appearance, not content], So, i can't just sudo apt install ?
 @fredldotme [Having your smartphone transform into something that can run a desktop does *not …], Okay
 @fredldotme [Having your smartphone transform into something that can run a desktop does *not …], Legacy desktop apps is not a problem , but what about compatibility between desktop apps and mobile apps, like some dpkg's?
 Or appimage?
 @sayanthtezro [So, i can't just sudo apt install ?], nope ubuntu touch has a readonly rootfs
 @sayanthtezro [Legacy desktop apps is not a problem , but what about compatibility between desk …], I mean programs that can run with terminal
 @sayanthtezro [I mean programs that can run with terminal], there are ways to get that working, just not apt and deb
 @Fuseteam [nope ubuntu touch has a readonly rootfs], Okay, without sudo?
 Libertine will work to an extent but not all apps and not all functionality
 @sayanthtezro [Okay, without sudo?], apt doesn't work without sudo :p
 @Fuseteam [there are ways to get that working, just not apt and deb], Native linux programs? Binaries?
 @Stereofont [Libertine will work to an extent but not all apps and not all functionality], Oh
 @Fuseteam [apt doesn't work without sudo :p], Ok
 @sayanthtezro [Native linux programs? Binaries?], yes binaries work fine, apps on UT are confined
 @Fuseteam [yes binaries work fine, apps on UT are confined], Okay
 the `nix` package manager can work with a few small tweaks
 There is an app called Isodrive, which turns the phone into a live USB with full functionality if plugged to a host computer
 @Stereofont [There is an app called Isodrive, which turns the phone into a live USB with full …], Useful feature
 but probably the easiest way to get cli apps working would be adapting this to suite your needs https://gitlab.com/jonnius/htop-provider
 takes a bit of tinkering and complex things like docker probably won't work but it can work nicely
 Main thing is , i want to use fastboot tools (platform-tools) for android. I can even use this program in android using termux. So it should work with ubuntu touch right?
 fastboot tools on top inside of ubuntu touch?
 @Fuseteam [fastboot tools on top inside of ubuntu touch?], Terminal?
 i suppose that can work, but i'm curiuos what for
 @Fuseteam [i suppose that can work, but i'm curiuos what for], To root other android phones
 adb is shipped with the os not sure what fastboot needs to run atm
 @sayanthtezro [To root other android phones], not sure if that can work, might be worth a shot
 @Fuseteam [not sure if that can work, might be worth a shot], Hmm , if that works. I no longer need a PC
 Convergence mode is not going to work on my device right?
 depends on if you can talk to the usb port or not, so no idea tbh
 @sayanthtezro [Convergence mode is not going to work on my device right?], convergence is not a mode, desktop mode is a mode tho :p
 @Fuseteam [depends on if you can talk to the usb port or not, so no idea tbh], Yeah, i can do the same with Android using termux
 @C0n57an71n [You see why I posted here?], Mmmno. I don't read the newsletter. So I don't have any opinion on the template. Surely people who do have such an opinion will have read the poll in the newsletter?
 @sayanthtezro [Convergence mode is not going to work on my device right?], which device?
 @Fuseteam [which device?], Violet
 @sayanthtezro [Yeah, i can do the same with Android using termux], that's why i said its worth a shot
 @Fuseteam [which device?], Redmi note 7 pro
 @sayanthtezro [Redmi note 7 pro], This device isn't equipped with display over usb feature, i guess
 @sayanthtezro [Violet], appears to be untested, not sure if it has wired display support
 @Fuseteam [appears to be untested, not sure if it has wired display support], I think it doesn't
 Btw i love the lomri de
 @sayanthtezro [Btw i love the lomri de], But it still not adapted to look better on a phone that having a "V-shaped" notch.
 @sayanthtezro [But it still not adapted to look better on a phone that having a "V-shaped" notc …], Wich makes me sad
 @sayanthtezro [But it still not adapted to look better on a phone that having a "V-shaped" notc …], The same goes to rounded corner display
 @sayanthtezro [But it still not adapted to look better on a phone that having a "V-shaped" notc …], [Edit] The same goes to rounded cornered display
 Hi everybody, is it there any difference between jasmine and jasmine_sprout as device name?
 I am trying to install ubports on a MI A2
 Hello, what you're trying to install is Ubuntu Touch... UBports is people 😉 UBports is the foundation that develops Ubuntu Touch. … The MI A2 is a different device than the MI A2 Lite, they are not compatible.
 So, unfortunately, jasmine and jasmine_sprout really are different. Sorry.
 Sorry, my mystake, I know that the Lite one should have "daisy" as codename
 so the "jasmine" one shall be not an A2 lite
 I don't know anything about these devices, I just did a search for 'sprout' in this group, hoping I could help you a little.
 it's really unclear to me
 and as far as I see on the internet there is no "jasmine_sprout" for mi A2
 @Alexi [and as far as I see on the internet there is no "jasmine_sprout" for mi A2], Mi A2 = jasmine
 Mi A2 lite = daisy
 Clear?
 yes
 but from installer I get
 "Please double-check that your device is a Xiaomi Mi A2 (jasmine_sprout). "
 You have Mi A2?
 yes
[12:10] <ubptgbot> <Ilja Zero> actually it is, 1 sec gonna show you, I actually have a2 lite
 @Alexi [yes], Then your device's codename is jasmine
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 @Alexi ["Please double-check that your device is a Xiaomi Mi A2 (jasmine_sprout). "], "jasmine_sprout" is maybe mistakenly written
 @Alexi ["Please double-check that your device is a Xiaomi Mi A2 (jasmine_sprout). "], If the installer says Mi a2, then proceed
 ok, thanks!
[12:14] <ubptgbot> <Ilja Zero> (Photo, 1280x626) https://irc.ubports.com/9reHaCFw.png
[12:14] <ubptgbot> <Ilja Zero> Alexi so its actually called daisy_sprout :D
 thanks!
[12:16] <ubptgbot> <Ilja Zero> btw that cmd thing is sick, didn't know for a while that you can use adb to connect to your phone's screen. also works if you have wifi adb, but... not the best experience on 2.4 ghz network :D
 @sayanthtezro [The same goes to rounded cornered display], @Stereofont take that as a suggestion
 @Ilja Zero [<reply to media>], lol there's daisy sprout 😂
 sprout stands for xiaomi's android one device iirc
 @just_carlod [sprout stands for xiaomi's android one device iirc], Oh
 there is also laurel_sprout mi a3
 now xiaomi mi a* series is dead
[13:59] <ubptgbot> <Ilja Zero> yea, I kinda got that :D that idea with one to me sounded good until I updated from oreo to 9 and in youtube app, when I 18:9 screen, (in oreo) it wasn't going over notch and in 9 all content is moved lower, so now my content is cut down by a notch...
[14:01] <ubptgbot> <Ilja Zero> also interesting thing, before I could find how to disable battery optimization for certain apps and now in 10... It refuses to allow me or maybe I can't find it
 @just_carlod [sprout stands for xiaomi's android one device iirc], hmm but mi a1 is tissot so idk
[14:20] <pierro777> o/ hello
[14:20] <pierro777> quick question.
[14:20] <pierro777> if there is a notable change in a device, for example:
[14:20] <pierro777> https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3253/oneplus-3-3t
[14:20] <pierro777> Like adb support...etc.
[14:20] <pierro777> It will be available in ubports OTA or a reinstall will be needed?
 it's available OTA.
[14:21] <pierro777> thx :) ubptgbot I just wanted to be sure
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[14:26] <pierro777> I hope this bot response was relevant :D
 It's a bridge to Telegram, not a bot.
 @sayanthtezro [Wich makes me sad], sounds like a motivated to dig into what is needed to fix it
 @sayanthtezro [Wich makes me sad], [Edit] sounds like a motivation to dig into what is needed to fix it
[14:28] <pierro777> got it sorry :D
 i used to be sad that all my smartphone have keyboard layout that felt too impractical to me........not anymore >:3
 [Edit] i used to be sad that all my smartphone have keyboard layout that felt too impractical to me........not anymore! >:3
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 @Fuseteam [i used to be sad that all my smartphone have keyboard layout that felt too impra …], So, any chance to fixing it? Or workarounds?
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 @Alexi [and as far as I see on the internet there is no "jasmine_sprout" for mi A2], I have a Mi A2 and van confirm its jasmine_sprout. UT goes very well on it!
 someone will have the necessary packages to install ubuntu touch on redmi note 8, the links to the halium repository are broken
 can i install multiple de's like we just using ubuntu + kde on desktop?
 @sayanthtezro [can i install multiple de's like we just using ubuntu + kde on desktop?], no
 @shouaccount [no], Or, is there any alternative flavours available? Like kubuntu?
 there aren't
 @shouaccount [there aren't], Hmm, fine.
 @shouaccount [there aren't], https://www.plasma-mobile.org/
 @sayanthtezro [So, any chance to fixing it? Or workarounds?], you'll have to dig into what is needed, i don't have a notched phone, you do
 @Fuseteam [you'll have to dig into what is needed, i don't have a notched phone, you do], Oh
 @sayanthtezro [https://www.plasma-mobile.org/], totally different :)
 @sayanthtezro [https://www.plasma-mobile.org/], ubuntu touch is itself ubuntu base + halium + lomiri + ut apps
 @mateosalta [totally different :)], Like different distri?
 if you remove lomiri + ut apps, it isn't ut
 @mateosalta [totally different :)], [Edit] Like different distro?
 @sayanthtezro [Like different distro?], Yeah
 @shouaccount [if you remove lomiri + ut apps, it isn't ut], Oh, now i get it
 Plus there is the image updates, the confinement system, url dispatcher, media hub
 all the extra things that make it more usable as a phone
 hmm i wonder what cli apps people miss on ubuntu touch, i think jonatan opened my eyes how 90% of my cli apps can be made toi run :^3
 [Edit] hmm i wonder what cli apps people miss on ubuntu touch that they are used to on the desktop, i think jonatan opened my eyes how 90% of my cli apps can be made to run with a readonly rootfs :^3
 @Fuseteam [hmm i wonder what cli apps people miss on ubuntu touch that they are used to on …], Transmission, but can be run on a Libertine container
 transmission is a cli app?
 i thought that was a gui app 🤔
 Fwd from mateosalta: or here is a native torrent app:
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/0GEzgeyS.null
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/SkV86R0X.null
 [Edit] hmm i wonder what commandline utilities (cli apps) people miss on ubuntu touch that they are used to on the desktop, i think jonatan opened my eyes how 90% of my cli apps can be made to run with a readonly rootfs :^3
 I didn't rename the package yet, but if you want to test
 @Fuseteam [i thought that was a gui app 🤔], transmission-cli, its super easy to use, just type transmission-cli and link to magnet or torrent and that's it. Runs better than GUI interface
 @mateosalta [or here is a native torrent app:], Great! Thank you!
 @mateosalta [or here is a native torrent app:], kinda funny how your forwarded message just fits in the convo lol
 @Fuseteam [i thought that was a gui app 🤔], Transmission is gui, but i don't know if it have a cli app also
 @LGeek [transmission-cli, its super easy to use, just type transmission-cli and link to …], oh interesting
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], What is this .click file?
 @sayanthtezro [What is this .click file?], Is it like .deb?
 it is a torrent program
 he hasn't used ut yet
 @sayanthtezro [Is it like .deb?], nope, is click - fully packaged to us in ut :)
 @sayanthtezro [Is it like .deb?], [Edit] nope, is click - fully packaged to use in ut :)
 its how we confine apps to their own spaces
 @mateosalta [nope, is click - fully packaged to use in ut :)], Offline installation package?
 fav part about this one:
 (Photo, 1080x2220) https://irc.ubports.com/mekiTWo2.png
 uses the menu :)
 Interesting... 🤔
 (Photo, 1080x2220) https://irc.ubports.com/kpEGF2Hv.png
 I like it!
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], Wich device btw?
 you will probally want to add it to runnng in background with ut tweak tool to be fully useful :)
 pixel 3a
 @mateosalta [pixel 3a], And how is the battery life?
 There is a way to no limit speed in heart app? Or it is always limited to 2Mb/s
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], ooooh
 @LGeek [There is a way to no limit speed in heart app? Or it is always limited to 2Mb/s], could you run which transmission-cli on your desktop?
 @mateosalta [<reply to media>], So this application is not specifically made to run on ut?
 @LGeek [There is a way to no limit speed in heart app? Or it is always limited to 2Mb/s], [Edit] could you run `which transmission-cli` on your desktop?
 @LGeek [There is a way to no limit speed in heart app? Or it is always limited to 2Mb/s], lol, that is a strange limit, should be easy to change in code though, i will remember to change if i try to put in store
 I love the menu integration on UT, it is the first app I see using that kind of menu
 @sayanthtezro [So this application is not specifically made to run on ut?], it is in the qt-master examples
 @mateosalta [lol, that is a strange limit, should be easy to change in code though, i will re …], Thank you!
 @mateosalta [it is in the qt-master examples], Oh
 i need to see if name space change will let the menu run confined
 or file a bug for apparmor to allow apps tu use this
 @sayanthtezro [Oh], so cool stuff, posssibally with newer wayland/mir stuff we could see more crossover of desktop apps
 @mateosalta [so cool stuff, posssibally with newer wayland/mir stuff we could see more crosso …], Cool, now I'm excited
 on the manjaro pinephone with lomiri it can already run gtk stuff
 looks like `/bin/locate` is a symlink to `/etc/alternatives/locate` which is a symlink to `/bin/mlocate`..........why :V
 i want the menu, please make it happen 😄
 @mateosalta [on the manjaro pinephone with lomiri it can already run gtk stuff], Cool
 @Javacookies [i want the menu, please make it happen 😄], yeah i'm pretty hyped too XD
 I like mod things. I like to create custom boot animations on Android, can i do the same with ubuntu touch?
 @Javacookies [i want the menu, please make it happen 😄], if i find a way to run confined, i will try and come up with a cpp wrapper template or something, with some keyboard shortcuts or something prefilled
 [Edit] I like to mod things. I like to create custom boot animations on Android, can i do the same with ubuntu touch?
 @sayanthtezro [I like to mod things. I like to create custom boot animations on Android, can i …], the boot images will be the same format as the on the phone you flash
 @sayanthtezro [I like to mod things. I like to create custom boot animations on Android, can i …], In android its bootanimation.zip, i guess it's not the same for a different os
 @mateosalta [the boot images will be the same format as the on the phone you flash], Not the boot image, i want my own boot animation
 what you want is your own distro
 @sayanthtezro [I like to mod things. I like to create custom boot animations on Android, can i …], it can be easy or hard … easy because you can basically edit qml files on your device but they will be overwritten by updates or worse, conflicts so you'll have manage them yourself
 @sayanthtezro [Not the boot image, i want my own boot animation], Does ubuntu touch have bootanimation?
 which is how plasma mobile started iirc
 @Fuseteam [what you want is your own distro], No, I'm just asking. Out of curiosity
 it has the 'ubuntu' with dots, i guess that is a animation of some kind
 @Javacookies [it can be easy or hard … easy because you can basically edit qml files on your dev …], Oh
 i myself have the search field at the bottom of the app drawer 😄
 @Javacookies [it can be easy or hard … easy because you can basically edit qml files on your dev …], So better not to touch that part
 dont know what format that is in :)
 @sayanthtezro [Oh], for actual boot animation (one you flash) won't be simple though.
 @sayanthtezro [No, I'm just asking. Out of curiosity], like i said the rootfs is readonly, if want to make changes and those changes be persistent, it'll either have to be changes everyone should be able to get or you'll have to fork the os
 @mateosalta [it has the 'ubuntu' with dots, i guess that is a animation of some kind], i think this one is created with something lowrr level than just QML...opengl i think?
 is fun, sometimes i turn my indicator pannel transparent :)
 i tend to do the former btw, i modded a lot of things hehe
 i should note there are a few writable paths, i've been playing with some of 'em lately
 been working on tab look in browser, hope to get it merged sometime
 (Photo, 1080x2220) https://irc.ubports.com/fTjOFM7W.png
 227 tabs muehehehehe
 the change seems subtle to me
 reverted back to the thin divider, the drop shadow was too hard, hopefully will revisit getting some kind of full shadow for the preview
 i think you remove the rounded corners at the bottom of the tab
 yep, and the tab border(since the actual tab has a shadow)
 @Fuseteam [i tend to do the former btw, i modded a lot of things hehe], So compared to android, ubuntu touch is less moddable?
 depends
 @sayanthtezro [So compared to android, ubuntu touch is less moddable?], There’s actual source and people who understand it so I guess you could mod it if you wanted
 my problem with these tabs is that they are different from the tabs in wide layout. the latter is part of the toolkit 😅
 @sayanthtezro [So compared to android, ubuntu touch is less moddable?], it more moddable imo
 its just that for reliabilty and updates your mods are overwritten
 @sayanthtezro [So compared to android, ubuntu touch is less moddable?], depends on what you're modding
 certain things are more, since all open - but it is not the normal that modders are used to
 @Javacookies [my problem with these tabs is that they are different from the tabs in wide layo …], the old ones?
 unless you upstream it
 like i modded my keyboard completely
 i don't know how modding even works on android. do you have like your own rom?
 i need to try and fix the shadow od the wide layout tabs...
 now i just need to get my code merged so i don't have to reinstall it every single time
 the ones im proposing should look more like the wide layout tab
 @Fuseteam [its just that for reliabilty and updates your mods are overwritten], Oh
 @mateosalta [the old ones?], somewhere in the toolkit … extras module i think
 "It's open source and free" and "I should be able to mod it" are not the same thing. One implies freedom to do things, the other implies that the OS is a wild west
 @sayanthtezro [Oh], *are often overwritten
 [Edit] "It's open source and free" and "I should be able to mod it" are not the same thing. One implies freedom to do things, the other implies that the OS is the Wild West
 @Fuseteam [now i just need to get my code merged so i don't have to reinstall it every sing …], except they're moving to gitlab 😝
 @Fuseteam [*are often overwritten], Understood
 ofc you can maintain your own code base and just reinstall your mods when needed, maybe possibly automate :3
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/NIT7lTxt.mp4
 @Javacookies [except they're moving to gitlab 😝], maybe i'll make right before they moved lol
 @Javacookies [except they're moving to gitlab 😝], [Edit] maybe i'll make right before they move lol
 tbh if i can figure the annoying dismissal issue i might just let it be merged
 aw I was a bit late, that gif was for Alfred for the wild west :)
 that's probably the last blocker for that layout
 @mateosalta [aw I was a bit late, that gif was for Alfred for the wild west :)], lol
 @mateosalta [aw I was a bit late, that gif was for Alfred for the wild west :)], I got it lol
 it still kinda fits hehe
 @Fuseteam [tbh if i can figure the annoying dismissal issue i might just let it be merged], try out my test build if that still happens there 😄
 @Javacookies [try out my test build if that still happens there 😄], do you remember what issue i mean?
 @Fuseteam [ofc you can maintain your own code base and just reinstall your mods when needed …], i've been wanting that … something like Cydia for UT, 😆
 no idea what Cydia is lol
 @Fuseteam [do you remember what issue i mean?], the top row issue right?
 Whats the name of that flying robot?
 @Javacookies [the top row issue right?], 👀 indeed imma look at that test build of yours now
 @Javacookies [the top row issue right?], [Edit] 👀 indeed imma look at that test build of yours now
 @Fuseteam [no idea what Cydia is lol], it's the store for jailbroken iOS … well at least 10 years ago 😄
 lol
 ......18 files what in the 😂
 you're really living it up 😂
 @Fuseteam [👀 indeed imma look at that test build of yours now], it's quite a big change so maybe that's accidentally fixed there 😄
 oh no this might conflict with my changes
 i wanna try your flick keyboard on my tablet. i feel like i'd like it here
 @Fuseteam [oh no this might conflict with my changes], probably 😅
 ja/qml/keys is moved to `../lib/../keys` and emoji will be disappearing soon hopefully
 oh and flickcharkey is heavily modified :P
 hmm i might need to rebase it to try this one 🤔
 i think there's small changes in the flick keys
 [Edit] `plugins/ja/qml/keys` is moved to `qml``/keys` and emoji will be disappearing soon hopefully
 most are in `Keyboard.qml`
 i'm somewhat curious how well it rebases now
 heh merge conflict in FlickCharKey
 oh that was the only conflict lol
 nice
 watch it explode 😂
 i first got it backwards so i had this: … ```++<<<<<<< HEAD …  +    property int fontSize: (fullScreenItem.keyboardLandscape ? (height / 2) : (height / 2.8)); … ++[15:50] <ubptgbot> idth/6 … +     property bool isPortrait: buttonRect.width/buttonRect.height > 2 ? false : true … ++>>>>>>> merge flickactionkey into flickcharkey```
 then i did it the other around and it complaines ja/qml/keys shouldn't exist so i remove it lol
 [Edit] then i did it the other around and it complaines ja/qml/keys shouldn't exist so i removed it lol
 now i'm not sure how to resolve this yet hehe
[16:37] <ubptgbot> <Benni S> What's the "right" way to get tailscale up and running on ubports? … https://tailscale.com/download
 @Benni S [What's the "right" way to get tailscale up and running on ubports? … https://tails …], setting all the needed parameters in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections seems to be the easiest way
 wait zero config? how does that work?
 hmm i think it might be best to wait for the 20.04 transistion to finish
 i don't think it uses openvpn
 ah it's wireguard underneath
 i guess you have to download the binary tarball, unpack it in your home dir, and run it manually, to use on Ubuntu Touch
 if its a single binary that should be possible yeah :p
 its just that on 16.04 they reccomend installing apt-transport-https for some reason
 not sure because of something 16.04 didn't ship or what lol
 [Edit] not sure if its because of something 16.04 didn't ship or what lol
 @Fuseteam [hmm i think it might be best to wait for the 20.04 transistion to finish], It doesn't transitioned yet?
 @sayanthtezro [It doesn't transitioned yet?], no, that is work in progress
 16.04 is like ancient lol
 @Fuseteam [no, that is work in progress], Oh
 @Fuseteam [its just that on 16.04 they reccomend installing apt-transport-https for some re …], because it's not installed by default and they host on https i guess. but doesn't matter really
 @dohbee [because it's not installed by default and they host on https i guess. but doesn' …], ah i see
 @Fuseteam [now i'm not sure how to resolve this yet hehe], just manually edit them … my changes are very trivial 😅
 @Javacookies [just manually edit them … my changes are very trivial 😅], i mean is that one line the only line i should change?
 or do all three need something?
 i think so, yes … just regarding the font size which you may actually just ignore since you're justbtesting anyway
 hmm alright
 guess i need to cross build it heh
[17:46] <ubptgbot> João Victor Constantino was added by: João Victor Constantino
 Blue Screen of Death by XP :)
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc.ubports.com/9emcJNag.png
 ok but this is off topic in here :)
 haha deserving of why I'm here
 we have https://t.me/UBportsOF for sharing such things
[18:11] <ubptgbot> <Benni S> @dohbee [i guess you have to download the binary tarball, unpack it in your home dir, and …], Thank you
[18:11] <ubptgbot> <Benni S> @Fuseteam [its just that on 16.04 they reccomend installing apt-transport-https for some re …], Thank ouy
[18:11] <ubptgbot> <Benni S> @Fuseteam [its just that on 16.04 they reccomend installing apt-transport-https for some re …], [Edit] Thank you
 Cant find my device
 Samsung Galaxy Tab A T-385M (sep 2018)
 Make Ubuntu for iPhone 🙏😅
 Hi, please see this FAQ message in our installation group: https://t.me/WelcomePlus/68961
[19:07] <ubptgbot> rtushar777 was added by: rtushar777
[19:08] <ubptgbot> aliciadark was added by: aliciadark
 oh wow a direct link, that's a first
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/qd5LMtn1.webp
 @inkedbooking [Make Ubuntu for iPhone 🙏😅], ubuntu 20.04 works on iphone 7, so ubuntu touch might be possible in the future
 works I mean it's booting
 it probably will never be daily driveable
 (Photo, 1280x214) https://irc.ubports.com/y0N80U5g.png how to solve this error
 @klaartje_b [Just watching videos doesn't give you the whole experience. If you want to get i …], This
[21:18] <ubptgbot> <Steve Kueffer> @libremax [I know at least one guy used to N5 and VollaPhone who is happy with the Redmi no …], It's me indeed. I'm happy to have seen off-line charging as well as automatic screen light adjustment working now on Vollaphone on OTA-17. … I also wrote a topic on the Redmi Note 7: … https://forums.ubports.com/topic/6026/redmi-note-7-st
[21:18] <ubptgbot> ate-of-play
 How to open the software installed in Libertine on the terminal?
 I installed htop,but I can't open in terminal
 You'd need to install a terminal app in libertine too, but then you dont get on screen keyboard. Or you could find the correct terninal command to run in UT terminal app. `libertine-container-nanager something something htop` cant remember sorry … ...or you can install htop app from open store and run htop in UT terminal without libert
[23:01] <ubptgbot> ine
 Hmm sorry the htop app is no longer in open store it seems
 @YougoChats [Hmm sorry the htop app is no longer in open store it seems], Yes, I removed it... Too hacky and old 😄
 @ItoRimai [I installed htop,but I can't open in terminal], Maybe … ```libertine-container-manager exec -c "/bin/bash"``` … should open a shell in libertine iirc
 @ItoRimai [I installed htop,but I can't open in terminal], [Edit] `libertine-container-manager exec -c "/bin/bash"` … should open a shell in libertine iirc