[02:14] (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/N6H63KHZ.webp [02:14] (Sticker, 512x486) https://irc.ubports.com/RkMVAxKO.webp [02:14] Hi [03:09] Gaminkake was added by: Gaminkake [04:08] phillipprado was added by: phillipprado [04:08] 夏侯锐进 wfz was added by: 夏侯锐进 wfz [05:10] bastos was added by: bastos [05:42] I have two noob questions to ask [05:42] First of all, what does offline charging partial mean? (Xiaomi Mi A2) [05:42] And secondly, how was the WiFi modem made to work? Was it reverse engineering [05:47] [Edit] And secondly, how was the WiFi modem made to work? Was it reverse engineered? [05:52] @crush_crush_crush [First of all, what does offline charging partial mean? (Xiaomi Mi A2)], it means the phone will try to boot when you try to charge it [05:53] @crush_crush_crush [And secondly, how was the WiFi modem made to work? Was it reverse engineered?], by utilizing the existing vendor blobs rather than reverse engineering [05:56] @Fuseteam [it means the phone will try to boot when you try to charge it], Ah, that's a minor inconvenience [05:57] @Fuseteam [by utilizing the existing vendor blobs rather than reverse engineering], I see. That's a shame, but I should have expected that [06:03] i think i half-fixed apt-get upgrade [06:05] i installed xerial from libertine and used adduser _apt [06:54] @Mertcan herolte [i installed xerial from libertine and used adduser _apt], um wait what? [06:55] [Edit] i installed xerial from libertine and run: adduser _apt [06:55] [Edit] i installed xerial from libertine and run: sudo adduser _apt [06:55] @crush_crush_crush [I see. That's a shame, but I should have expected that], i mean reverse engineering is quite a resource intensive task so uh yeah [06:59] @Fuseteam [i mean reverse engineering is quite a resource intensive task so uh yeah], Yes, but I can always dream : [06:59] @Fuseteam [i mean reverse engineering is quite a resource intensive task so uh yeah], [Edit] Yes, but I can always dream :) [06:59] pmOS, who are able to run mainline on a few devices to some extent STILL require qcom blobs [07:01] even if you mainline the drivers, there's still firmware [07:40] What's most cheapest well-supported device for running Ubuntu Touch ? [07:42] A second hand Nexus 5 or Oneplus One. [07:43] or Redmi note 7 [07:50] @libremax [or Redmi note 7], Does everything work already on that device? I know at lest 5 regressions in Halium 9/ Android 9 that need to be fixed still, mostly around LED, vibration, battery stats [07:56] I know at least one guy used to N5 and VollaPhone who is happy with the Redmi note 7. [07:56] Maddie69711 was added by: Maddie69711 [07:59] And "what works" in device description is pretty good: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/lavender/ [08:27] @Fuseteam [it means the phone will try to boot when you try to charge it], Violet has that problem too, no offline charging. Does it mean that i can't charge the phone when it's switched off? [08:28] @sayanthtezro [Violet has that problem too, no offline charging. Does it mean that i can't char …], Btw i never tried it ( ubuntu touch) on my device [08:34] @sayanthtezro [Btw i never tried it ( ubuntu touch) on my device], Then you are missing out! 😀 [08:35] Just watching videos doesn't give you the whole experience. If you want to get involved, I think the best way to start is by using it. [09:11] Alex L was added by: Alex L [09:42] @klaartje_b [Just watching videos doesn't give you the whole experience. If you want to get i …], I want to, but i found that few features are missing. That's what stepping me back. Like mobile data, wifi, calls [09:42] (Photo, 591x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/HGYLz8EC.png [09:42] (Photo, 591x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/QydM6iIT.png [09:44] @Stereofont [https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io], how to flash this ubuntu? [09:46] read device specific instructions [09:49] And i would like to know about app support [09:49] @sayanthtezro [And i would like to know about app support], Is there telegram, signal available? [09:49] @sayanthtezro [Is there telegram, signal available?], yes both are available [09:50] And some third party apps like, instagram? [09:50] only instragram web app [09:50] @just_carlod [only instragram web app], Oh [09:51] Any chance that it will support in any near future? [09:52] @sayanthtezro [Any chance that it will support in any near future?], I don't need official instagram, unofficial port that support it's core features? [09:52] so web app should be fine [09:55] [Edit] Is it likely to get support in the future? [09:55] @just_carlod [so web app should be fine], Okay [09:55] I heard about anbox [09:56] @sayanthtezro [I heard about anbox], Does that work as intended? [09:56] Can i have whatsapp apk running on it? [10:09] @sayanthtezro [Violet has that problem too, no offline charging. Does it mean that i can't char …], you can, it'll just.........bootloop untill it has enough charge to actually boot [10:11] @sayanthtezro [Can i have whatsapp apk running on it?], yes no notifications, voice calls or video calls tho. much like whatsweb, the whatsapp web webapp [10:14] @sayanthtezro [I want to, but i found that few features are missing. That's what stepping me ba …], That is why most people start with an older, second hand, well supported device. [10:25] @K31j0 [patchelf&chill unless base os has no ld], how would you use patchelf to change where the libraries are loaded from? i see a mention of `RPATH` [10:25] @K31j0 [patchelf&chill unless base os has no ld], [Edit] how would you use patchelf to change where the libraries are loaded from? i see a mention of `RPATH` but i don't quite get it [10:26] @Fuseteam [yes no notifications, voice calls or video calls tho. much like whatsweb, the wh …], What? Through anbox too? [10:27] @klaartje_b [That is why most people start with an older, second hand, well supported device.], Hmm, i guess i have to buy a new phone then. And use this current device as a test device [10:29] The reason why like to use ubuntu touch is because of the desktop level features. like i can run most of Ubuntu's apps on it right? [10:29] (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/2wEv0jU8.mp4 [10:29] good question [10:33] @sayanthtezro [The reason why like to use ubuntu touch is because of the desktop level features …], Not 'most'. But 'some'. Through Libertine. [10:33] @sayanthtezro [The reason why like to use ubuntu touch is because of the desktop level features …], Honestly, no. Desktop mode is about layout and appearance, not content [10:39] @sayanthtezro [What? Through anbox too?], yes anbox currently has no hardware access, well not yet anyway. that's a work in progress [10:40] Having your smartphone transform into something that can run a desktop does *not* mean your legacy desktop apps working on your smartphone. That's not why we use Ubuntu Touch. [10:40] @Fuseteam wouldn't you just patch interpreter to your linker? I guess it would look for libs in $LD_LIBRARY_PATH [10:41] @K31j0 [@Fuseteam wouldn't you just patch interpreter to your linker? I guess it would l …], the interpreter itself? hmmm [10:41] if it's dynamically linked I guess ld would just supply the necessary libraries at runtime since I had /usr/local/lib break Ubuntu update once at work [10:42] so i managed to find a way to package cli apps in a click (kudos to jonnius) but the libs are in a none standard place [10:44] normally it does supply it at run time i think, but in this case its suppose to provide them for terminal :p [10:45] want me to pm what i got? [10:51] https://forums.ubports.com/topic/6186/i-need-your-help [10:54] https://strawpoll.com/fqke9xyqg [10:57] @C0n57an71n [https://strawpoll.com/fqke9xyqg], Some context would be nice. [10:57] The last one is for: "Dear Ubees, … This is a non-standard message with two things to tell: … This is a proposed new template for the news letter. Tell us what you think! … And I need your help with something. More on that after the break. … This is a test email with the new news letter design. What do you think? I made a small poll wh [10:57] ere you can do a thumbs up or thumbs down. Just click the link and vote with your gut feeling: … A small poll on strawpoll.com … I need your help! … I need the help of the UBports community. Will you please help me? This is something everybody in the community can do. … I need to create a list of news contacts. People I can send a press release t [10:57] o. … I will import this into our Odoo instance so we can send them press messages when we've got something to tell. … This is what I would very much like you to do: … Make a small list of IT magazines in your country. So, Linux and open source magazines, but also general IT magazines that you know. Or business magazines that do tech news. … Make a [10:57] small list of the biggest news papers in your country. If you want to add your favourite, go right ahead. … search on their website for the email address of their 'news desk'. (Let's say the IO channel of the journalists that work there.) … Send to me (jeroen at ubports dot com) this list like: "organisation or magazine name:", "if they mention fir [10:57] st-name+last-name on their website","email address" … Any format will do. odt, csv, txt, I don't care, as long as I get the data! … Oh, and I need this as soon as possible but not too soon. Just, well, don't forget to do it, so do it now 😊 … Many, many, many thanks. … Greets, … Jeroen Baten … (Operational marketing manager jada jada of the UBports [10:57] Foundation) … Thank you for joining us!" [10:57] ... there is a newsletter? [10:58] You see why I posted here? [10:58] Yes! There is! [10:59] lol [10:59] @Stereofont [Honestly, no. Desktop mode is about layout and appearance, not content], So, i can't just sudo apt install ? [11:00] @fredldotme [Having your smartphone transform into something that can run a desktop does *not …], Okay [11:02] @fredldotme [Having your smartphone transform into something that can run a desktop does *not …], Legacy desktop apps is not a problem , but what about compatibility between desktop apps and mobile apps, like some dpkg's? [11:02] Or appimage? [11:03] @sayanthtezro [So, i can't just sudo apt install ?], nope ubuntu touch has a readonly rootfs [11:03] @sayanthtezro [Legacy desktop apps is not a problem , but what about compatibility between desk …], I mean programs that can run with terminal [11:03] @sayanthtezro [I mean programs that can run with terminal], there are ways to get that working, just not apt and deb [11:03] @Fuseteam [nope ubuntu touch has a readonly rootfs], Okay, without sudo? [11:03] Libertine will work to an extent but not all apps and not all functionality [11:04] @sayanthtezro [Okay, without sudo?], apt doesn't work without sudo :p [11:04] @Fuseteam [there are ways to get that working, just not apt and deb], Native linux programs? Binaries? [11:04] @Stereofont [Libertine will work to an extent but not all apps and not all functionality], Oh [11:04] @Fuseteam [apt doesn't work without sudo :p], Ok [11:05] @sayanthtezro [Native linux programs? Binaries?], yes binaries work fine, apps on UT are confined [11:05] @Fuseteam [yes binaries work fine, apps on UT are confined], Okay [11:06] the `nix` package manager can work with a few small tweaks [11:06] There is an app called Isodrive, which turns the phone into a live USB with full functionality if plugged to a host computer [11:07] @Stereofont [There is an app called Isodrive, which turns the phone into a live USB with full …], Useful feature [11:07] but probably the easiest way to get cli apps working would be adapting this to suite your needs https://gitlab.com/jonnius/htop-provider [11:09] takes a bit of tinkering and complex things like docker probably won't work but it can work nicely [11:09] Main thing is , i want to use fastboot tools (platform-tools) for android. I can even use this program in android using termux. So it should work with ubuntu touch right? [11:11] fastboot tools on top inside of ubuntu touch? [11:11] @Fuseteam [fastboot tools on top inside of ubuntu touch?], Terminal? [11:11] i suppose that can work, but i'm curiuos what for [11:12] @Fuseteam [i suppose that can work, but i'm curiuos what for], To root other android phones [11:12] adb is shipped with the os not sure what fastboot needs to run atm [11:12] @sayanthtezro [To root other android phones], not sure if that can work, might be worth a shot [11:13] @Fuseteam [not sure if that can work, might be worth a shot], Hmm , if that works. I no longer need a PC [11:13] Convergence mode is not going to work on my device right? [11:14] depends on if you can talk to the usb port or not, so no idea tbh [11:14] @sayanthtezro [Convergence mode is not going to work on my device right?], convergence is not a mode, desktop mode is a mode tho :p [11:14] @Fuseteam [depends on if you can talk to the usb port or not, so no idea tbh], Yeah, i can do the same with Android using termux [11:14] @C0n57an71n [You see why I posted here?], Mmmno. I don't read the newsletter. So I don't have any opinion on the template. Surely people who do have such an opinion will have read the poll in the newsletter? [11:14] @sayanthtezro [Convergence mode is not going to work on my device right?], which device? [11:15] @Fuseteam [which device?], Violet [11:15] @sayanthtezro [Yeah, i can do the same with Android using termux], that's why i said its worth a shot [11:15] @Fuseteam [which device?], Redmi note 7 pro [11:16] @sayanthtezro [Redmi note 7 pro], This device isn't equipped with display over usb feature, i guess [11:17] @sayanthtezro [Violet], appears to be untested, not sure if it has wired display support [11:20] @Fuseteam [appears to be untested, not sure if it has wired display support], I think it doesn't [11:26] Btw i love the lomri de [11:28] @sayanthtezro [Btw i love the lomri de], But it still not adapted to look better on a phone that having a "V-shaped" notch. [11:28] @sayanthtezro [But it still not adapted to look better on a phone that having a "V-shaped" notc …], Wich makes me sad [11:35] @sayanthtezro [But it still not adapted to look better on a phone that having a "V-shaped" notc …], The same goes to rounded corner display [11:35] @sayanthtezro [But it still not adapted to look better on a phone that having a "V-shaped" notc …], [Edit] The same goes to rounded cornered display [11:38] Hi everybody, is it there any difference between jasmine and jasmine_sprout as device name? [11:38] I am trying to install ubports on a MI A2 [12:03] Hello, what you're trying to install is Ubuntu Touch... UBports is people 😉 UBports is the foundation that develops Ubuntu Touch. … The MI A2 is a different device than the MI A2 Lite, they are not compatible. [12:03] So, unfortunately, jasmine and jasmine_sprout really are different. Sorry. [12:04] Sorry, my mystake, I know that the Lite one should have "daisy" as codename [12:05] so the "jasmine" one shall be not an A2 lite [12:06] I don't know anything about these devices, I just did a search for 'sprout' in this group, hoping I could help you a little. [12:06] it's really unclear to me [12:07] and as far as I see on the internet there is no "jasmine_sprout" for mi A2 [12:08] @Alexi [and as far as I see on the internet there is no "jasmine_sprout" for mi A2], Mi A2 = jasmine [12:09] Mi A2 lite = daisy [12:09] Clear? [12:09] yes [12:09] but from installer I get [12:09] "Please double-check that your device is a Xiaomi Mi A2 (jasmine_sprout). " [12:10] You have Mi A2? [12:10] yes [12:10] actually it is, 1 sec gonna show you, I actually have a2 lite [12:11] @Alexi [yes], Then your device's codename is jasmine [12:11] Mirzzie was added by: Mirzzie [12:12] @Alexi ["Please double-check that your device is a Xiaomi Mi A2 (jasmine_sprout). "], "jasmine_sprout" is maybe mistakenly written [12:13] @Alexi ["Please double-check that your device is a Xiaomi Mi A2 (jasmine_sprout). "], If the installer says Mi a2, then proceed [12:13] ok, thanks! [12:14] (Photo, 1280x626) https://irc.ubports.com/9reHaCFw.png [12:14] Alexi so its actually called daisy_sprout :D [12:15] thanks! [12:16] btw that cmd thing is sick, didn't know for a while that you can use adb to connect to your phone's screen. also works if you have wifi adb, but... not the best experience on 2.4 ghz network :D [12:17] @sayanthtezro [The same goes to rounded cornered display], @Stereofont take that as a suggestion [13:56] @Ilja Zero [], lol there's daisy sprout 😂 [13:57] sprout stands for xiaomi's android one device iirc [13:58] @just_carlod [sprout stands for xiaomi's android one device iirc], Oh [13:58] there is also laurel_sprout mi a3 [13:59] now xiaomi mi a* series is dead [13:59] yea, I kinda got that :D that idea with one to me sounded good until I updated from oreo to 9 and in youtube app, when I 18:9 screen, (in oreo) it wasn't going over notch and in 9 all content is moved lower, so now my content is cut down by a notch... [14:01] also interesting thing, before I could find how to disable battery optimization for certain apps and now in 10... It refuses to allow me or maybe I can't find it [14:01] @just_carlod [sprout stands for xiaomi's android one device iirc], hmm but mi a1 is tissot so idk [14:20] o/ hello [14:20] quick question. [14:20] if there is a notable change in a device, for example: [14:20] https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3253/oneplus-3-3t [14:20] Like adb support...etc. [14:20] It will be available in ubports OTA or a reinstall will be needed? [14:20] it's available OTA. [14:21] thx :) ubptgbot I just wanted to be sure [14:24] NatarajanNNapoleon was added by: NatarajanNNapoleon [14:26] I hope this bot response was relevant :D [14:27] It's a bridge to Telegram, not a bot. [14:27] @sayanthtezro [Wich makes me sad], sounds like a motivated to dig into what is needed to fix it [14:27] @sayanthtezro [Wich makes me sad], [Edit] sounds like a motivation to dig into what is needed to fix it [14:28] got it sorry :D [14:28] i used to be sad that all my smartphone have keyboard layout that felt too impractical to me........not anymore >:3 [14:28] [Edit] i used to be sad that all my smartphone have keyboard layout that felt too impractical to me........not anymore! >:3 [14:28] Pierre Jak was added by: Pierre Jak [14:44] @Fuseteam [i used to be sad that all my smartphone have keyboard layout that felt too impra …], So, any chance to fixing it? Or workarounds? [14:50] Krypton612 was added by: Krypton612 [14:51] @Alexi [and as far as I see on the internet there is no "jasmine_sprout" for mi A2], I have a Mi A2 and van confirm its jasmine_sprout. UT goes very well on it! [14:52] someone will have the necessary packages to install ubuntu touch on redmi note 8, the links to the halium repository are broken [14:52] can i install multiple de's like we just using ubuntu + kde on desktop? [14:52] @sayanthtezro [can i install multiple de's like we just using ubuntu + kde on desktop?], no [14:54] @shouaccount [no], Or, is there any alternative flavours available? Like kubuntu? [14:54] there aren't [14:54] @shouaccount [there aren't], Hmm, fine. [14:58] @shouaccount [there aren't], https://www.plasma-mobile.org/ [14:58] @sayanthtezro [So, any chance to fixing it? Or workarounds?], you'll have to dig into what is needed, i don't have a notched phone, you do [14:58] @Fuseteam [you'll have to dig into what is needed, i don't have a notched phone, you do], Oh [14:58] @sayanthtezro [https://www.plasma-mobile.org/], totally different :) [14:58] @sayanthtezro [https://www.plasma-mobile.org/], ubuntu touch is itself ubuntu base + halium + lomiri + ut apps [14:58] @mateosalta [totally different :)], Like different distri? [14:58] if you remove lomiri + ut apps, it isn't ut [14:58] @mateosalta [totally different :)], [Edit] Like different distro? [14:59] @sayanthtezro [Like different distro?], Yeah [14:59] @shouaccount [if you remove lomiri + ut apps, it isn't ut], Oh, now i get it [14:59] Plus there is the image updates, the confinement system, url dispatcher, media hub [15:00] all the extra things that make it more usable as a phone [15:01] hmm i wonder what cli apps people miss on ubuntu touch, i think jonatan opened my eyes how 90% of my cli apps can be made toi run :^3 [15:02] [Edit] hmm i wonder what cli apps people miss on ubuntu touch that they are used to on the desktop, i think jonatan opened my eyes how 90% of my cli apps can be made to run with a readonly rootfs :^3 [15:02] @Fuseteam [hmm i wonder what cli apps people miss on ubuntu touch that they are used to on …], Transmission, but can be run on a Libertine container [15:02]