[00:20] <plshalp> hi. my (new) laptop (with a fresh install) does not wake from suspend. what to do? I have enabled "deep sleep", and expanded the swap file, and told grub where it is.
[00:21] <matsaman> plshalp: what does it do instead?
[00:21] <plshalp> by "not wake", I mean that the keyboard and fans turn on, but not the monitor. I also tried using an external monitor, but no go there either. and, indeed, the fans are a bit more violent than I'd expect for it to have merely resumed successfully.
[00:21] <matsaman> plshalp: is ssh running? Can you ssh into it?
[00:22] <plshalp> "keyboard" = keyboard light.
[00:22] <plshalp> matsaman: no, although that is something I could test, maybe tomorrow, if necessary. good point.
[00:22] <matsaman> plshalp: well
[00:22] <matsaman> if you can ssh into it, that is, if only the visual output is broken
[00:22] <matsaman> then it could be a fairly popular bug that using nomodeset can help with
[00:23] <plshalp> I doubt that, because if that were true, I should be able to just input password, type "reboot" into the terminal, and voila, no?
[00:23] <plshalp> worth mentioning, I suppose, that I do not have nvidia graphics. it's a lenovo thinkbook with intel graphics. (I noticed, while searching, that a lot of problems were nvidia-related.)
[00:24] <matsaman> that's hard to say, your screen is probably locked even if it's not working
[00:25] <matsaman> waking to an unlocked screen, by default, would be a security problem
[00:25] <matsaman> plshalp: yeah, although I think kms is a thing with intel also
[00:25] <matsaman> anyway, ruling out the graphics driver screwing up is the first step
[00:26] <plshalp> intel has kms, yeah. I could just try nomodeset and reboot, and rejoin here, I suppose\\
[00:26] <matsaman> and being able to use ssh while the screen is black is an easy way to do that
[00:26] <plshalp> yes, absolutely. I'll try that tomorrow (if still applicable.)
[00:29] <plshalp> welp. nomodeset wasn't a magic bullet at least.
[00:29] <plshalp> but the fact that the fans go nuts tells me there's probably more to it than video.
[00:30] <plshalp> bit depressing that suspend to ram apparently only had some glory years between 2010 and 2015 where it seemingly Just Worked™ on every laptop, and now it's gone to... again.
[00:38] <plshalp75> ok. tried a couple of things. 1. starting music before suspending. and 2. using the fn/caps lock keys on the keyboard. the music didn't resume, and the fn/caps lock keys did not work. (they have light indicators.) so it's definitely not just the display.
[04:11] <hoolio> I installed ubuntu and now my computer is better.
[04:42] <WereCatf> I am having trouble with screen-sharing in Ubuntu, namely that it works all fine and dandy normally, but if the display goes off after the PC being idle, screen-sharing stops working; the VNC-connection fails with no received data. I can't disable the idle-timer for the display, so is there some way of making screen-sharing work with it enabled?
[04:42] <WereCatf> I'm not even sure if this is a bug in Ubuntu or gnome-screen-sharing itself
[04:54] <trekkie1701c> WereCatf:  I'm about to head to sleep so I can't really dig too much into it, but I think there's some xrandr commands that can be used to turn the screen on/off.  Loginctl has a way to activate a session as well, though I don't know if that'd wake the screen when you activate the session.  But those could be things to look into.
[04:54] <trekkie1701c> If the host computer has a Nvidia GPU, I use Sunshine/Moonlight for screen sharing.
[05:03] <WereCatf> trekkie1701c: Alas, not all the devices have NVIDIA GPUs and having to mess with xrandr/xset first every time I want to connect remotely is....a rather ugly solution. I mean, if there's no proper fix, then I guess it'll have to do, but..
[05:33] <WereCatf> In relation to what I asked earlier, how do I turn a laptop-display on from CLI when running Wayland? Nothing I try with xrandr seems to work.
[06:00] <tmonk> Hello.
[06:00] <tmonk> exit
[06:01] <zenfas> hello
[06:17] <tmonk> Hi I'm tmonk. Just joined irc.libera.chat
[06:18] <Unit193> Howdy.
[06:21] <Kangie> Hi All; Just qyerying if there are any known issues with mirrors. I've been seeing a *lot* of hash sum mismatches and GPG key validiation failures on my machines today, and I can't put it down to anything in particular.
[06:21] <Kangie> for both au.archive.ubuntu and us.archive.ubuntu
[06:21] <Kangie> querying*
[06:59] <kylin> 我们
[06:59] <kylin> 刻录吉安市
[07:04] <nikolam> Hello, postfix in freshly upgraded from 20.10 to 21.04 , complains on /etc/postfix/main.cf containing hostname (choosed local only configuration) and stops updating of other packages. Is Postfix required/included in default packages set and is it a postfix problem or else?
[07:04] <nikolam> I removed postfix fully with configuration files, reinstalled it, but when it asks during install and choose local configuration and hostname, I get the same situation
[07:05] <nikolam> Maybe if I choose "internet site" ?
[07:07] <mgedmin> what is the exact error message?  can you pastebin?
[07:07] <BlueEagle> nikolam: In general you should read the postfix documentation carefully so that you do not set up open email relays. That being said internet site with smart host is probably a better choice.
[07:16] <nikolam> mgedmin, mailname is not fully qualified domain name, entered just hostname. https://pastebin.com/KkCcetYy
[07:19] <nikolam> I also have large CPU usage (Hp 600 G1 tower) and like large acpid events (interrupts) I think, smelling on some hardware issue? 32678 root      20   0    0.0m   0.0m   0.0m R  69.1   0.0   2:57.63 kworker/0:0+kacpid
[07:20] <mgedmin> nikolam: ah yes, well
[07:20] <nikolam> That machine once required some jumper to be set on motherboard to start behaving normally, and it started doing similar thing again
[07:20] <mgedmin> nikolam: is this a server that has a static IP and a global DNS name?  I'm guessing not
[07:20] <mgedmin> nikolam: I've used myhostname = localhost on a few occasions; postfix didn't complain about that
[07:20] <nikolam> mgedmin, it's local workstation, don't plan on having public mail server on it, static is also changable thing
[07:21] <mgedmin> nikolam: wait, 'xdesk..', what are those two dots doing there??
[07:21] <mgedmin> first, is myhostname set in /etc/postfix/main.cf, or /etc/mailname?
[07:21] <nikolam> wel dunno.. let me re-configure, I haven't enter myself any dots.. maybe during upgrade...
[07:21] <mgedmin> second, once you've discovered where the "xdesk.." is set, drop the two trailing dots
[07:22] <mgedmin> I'm guessing upgrade is relevant only in that postfix is now stricted in validating configuration values
[07:22] <mgedmin> *stricter
[07:23] <nikolam>  /etc/mailname don't exist and yes, xdesk.. is set in /etc/postfix/main.cf for some reason..
[07:29] <nikolam> Seems like after installing postfix package and selecting Local only config, and giving it just the hostname, it puts two dots after hostname (myhostname = hostname..) in /etc/postfix/main.cf . also doing that by itself during update and then stopping update..
[07:30] <mgedmin> ohh??? interesting
[07:30] <mgedmin> report a bug?
[07:31] <nikolam> this is what is spits afte 'apt upgrade' . https://pastebin.com/yAdS49pK
[07:31] <nikolam> mgedmin, seems like would need bug report
[07:44] <armin>  /j iterm2
[07:44] <armin> meh
[07:46] <nikolam> I home my description is not invalid, but it's for others to decide: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postfix/+bug/1929786
[07:49] <loganlee> hi guys where are the custom service files located?
[07:50] <mgedmin> /etc/systemd/system/
[07:50] <mgedmin> assuming you're talking about systemd service files?
[07:50] <loganlee> yep thanks
[07:52] <loganlee> if i change the content of my service file in /etc/systemd/system/my-service.service do i need to re-enable it?
[07:53] <mgedmin> you need to sudo systemctl daemon-reload to tell systemd to reload the changed file
[07:53] <loganlee> ok cool thanks
[07:54] <nikolam> Any idea how to inspect what is going on with high CPU usage on CPU0, regarding interrupts.. 32678 root      20   0    0.0m   0.0m   0.0m R  69.4   0.0  27:35.52 kworker/0:0-kacpi_notify
[07:55] <mgedmin> check dmesg?
[07:56] <danlinux> anyone managed connecting airpods or beats?
[08:13] <kylin> what
[08:25] <acsigen> test
[10:03] <kubblai> hello, i have an issue with an ubuntu server where i've installed xfce4 and using xrdp, basically all the text is just square boxes, this is ubuntu 20.04
[10:03] <mgedmin> missing fonts?
[10:04] <kubblai> thats what im thinking but i cant see what the default font should be
[10:04] <kubblai> in order to install it mgedmin
[10:05] <mgedmin> for xfce4?  I have no idea
[10:06] <mgedmin> if you ssh to the server and run fc-match sans, what does it say?
[10:06] <mgedmin> on my laptop as well as a random 18.04 server I get DejaVuSans.ttf
[10:07] <mgedmin> which is provided by the fonts-dejavu-core package
[10:12] <kubblai> one sec i'll do it now :)
[10:13] <kubblai> n019003l.pfb: "Nimbus Sans L" "Regular" mgedmin
[10:13] <kubblai> in the console the text is fine its just in the xrdp session with xfce4
[10:14] <OnkelTem> Hi all. I updated google chrome on 20.04 yesterday and now it shows up at a wrong scaling factor on my HiDpi display
[10:14] <OnkelTem> the only way I found so for to fix this is to pass --force-device-scale-factor=2 to chrome google stable executable
[10:15] <OnkelTem> but unfortunately under some circumstances I cannot pass this parameter (like running from inside WebStorm).
[10:16] <OnkelTem> All other apps don't seem to have this problem with scaling
[10:19] <mt> OnkelTem: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1213347
[10:30] <OnkelTem> mt: thank you! I spent one hour trying to find something on this yesterday but w/o success
[10:51] <LaVerne> nick LaVerne
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> lotus psychje
[11:54] <zetheroo> I have a laptop here (Thinkpad T14 Gen2) which has a very peculiar problem - the network works perfectly over WiFi, but over Ethernet it's almost unusable because it's constantly timing out and when it does "work" it's extremely slow.
[11:55] <zetheroo> Ethernet device: I219-C (rev 20)
[11:57] <zetheroo> would anyone have any ideas of how to troubleshoot this? Ubuntu 21.04 is installed. I tried a LIVE session of Ubuntu 20.04 with the same results. I also already tried a different ethernet cable and port location.
[11:57] <jeremy31> zetheroo: try disabling IPv6?
[11:59] <zetheroo> jeremy31: ok, will try that ...
[12:04] <zetheroo> jeremy31: unfortunately this did not make any difference
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[12:11] <braewoods> zetheroo: what hardware?
[12:11] <zetheroo> it's like the network connectivity is vanishing and then reappearing ... but the network manager always shows it as being connected
[12:11] <zetheroo> braewoods:  (13:55:55) zetheroo: Ethernet device: I219-C (rev 20)
[12:11] <zetheroo> Thinkpad T14 Gen2
[12:11] <jeremy31> zetheroo: Might help if you have a terminal open running>  tail -f /var/log/syslog
[12:12] <braewoods> zetheroo: that doesn't really tell me anything. can you try using this and giving us the url: lspci -v | pastebinit
[12:12] <braewoods> the hardware IDs would help me understand what driver is in use
[12:12] <zetheroo> jeremy31: yeah, just trying to get a remote connection working so I can troubleshoot the laptop from my system :P
[12:13] <zetheroo> braewoods: ok, just a min
[12:13] <braewoods> normally these use some network NIC from another vendor such as Intel, Broadcom, Realtek
[12:14] <braewoods> given a laptop it's probably a PCIE NIC.
[12:14] <jeremy31> braewoods: I think it uses e1000e
[12:14] <braewoods> that would be intel based
[12:15] <braewoods> hm
[12:15] <braewoods> i was going to say, sometimes people have had issues with the in kernel realtek and had better results with the external one
[12:15] <Dovid> Has anyone see this before? https://askubuntu.com/questions/1341001/fdisk-showing-inconstant-data-it-shows-dev-sda-twice
[12:17] <braewoods> Dovid: did you try running it on sdb? that shouldn't even be a thing.
[12:17] <braewoods> instead it sounds like there's no actual disk label on SDA.
[12:18] <braewoods> that partition table reads like non-sense
[12:18] <jeremy31> just run fdisk -l
[12:18] <Dovid> I just updated the post
[12:18] <Dovid> there is no /dev/sdb
[12:18] <braewoods> ok, then your flash drive is the only detected one.
[12:19] <braewoods> if you had an internal drive it appears to not be detected
[12:19] <Dovid> braewoods: Not correct. it is seeing something the flash drive is 32GB (as you can see) but then you have /dev/sda1, /dev/sdb2 etc. and some of those re > 400 GB. Those are the windows partitions on the box.
[12:20] <braewoods> Dovid: then where's /dev/sdb in that output?
[12:20] <braewoods> this makes no sense
[12:20] <zetheroo> braewoods: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pgCX82fhDb/
[12:21] <Dovid> braewoods: There is no /dev/sdb which is what is strange. you have /dev/sda for the flash drive, that I get. It's 32GB in size. they how do you have partitions that are larger than the physical disk?
[12:21] <tatertots> zetheroo: are you chatting from the computer right now connected to "wired" ? yes/no
[12:21] <braewoods> Dovid: like i said, i've seen this before and it was the partition table really wasn't one. the sectors make no sense.
[12:21] <zetheroo>  tatertots: no
[12:21] <geirha> the offsets of the partitions are in increments of 512 byte blocks
[12:22] <tatertots> zetheroo: so you are chatting from the PC connected to WLAN/wireless right now? yes/no
[12:22] <Dovid> braewoods: I don't follow. So there is an issue with the partition table?
[12:22] <zetheroo>  tatertots: I have a VNC session working to the PC. The PC is connected via Ethernet and WiFi .. this is the only way it "works"
[12:22] <braewoods> Dovid: i'm saying there's no real partition table on your flash drive currently, assuming this is correct.
[12:22] <zetheroo>  tatertots: yes, I am chatting from my PC
[12:23] <braewoods> Dovid: it reads as if it was corrupted or something since it makes no sense.
[12:23] <tatertots> zetheroo: issue the following commands on the problematic PC in succession
[12:23] <braewoods> Dovid: you have allocations all over the place.
[12:23] <tatertots> zetheroo: nmcli g s &>> ~/nip.pir
[12:23] <braewoods> Dovid: can you paste your dmesg? that might help
[12:23] <tatertots> zetheroo: route -n &>> ~/nip.pir
[12:23] <Dovid> braewoods: all the /dev/sda[1-9] are the windows partitions.
[12:24] <tatertots> zetheroo: mtr -r -c 2 8.8.8.8 &>> ~/nip.pir
[12:24] <braewoods> zetheroo: ok it is e1001e like jeremy thought
[12:24] <tatertots> zetheroo: when completed let me know
[12:24] <Dovid> braewoods: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/WbwT9jQBGp/
[12:25] <braewoods> Dovid: as i thought. sdb is NOT detected.
[12:25] <braewoods> see the log. there's sda but no sdb.
[12:25] <Dovid> so then how doesit see partitions in /dev/sda that are not in /dev/sda (since /dev/sda is only 32gb physically)?
[12:26] <braewoods> Dovid: i suspect your partition table is corrupted.
[12:26] <braewoods> it's just a wild guess at this point.
[12:26] <Dovid> braewoods: On the windows box?
[12:26] <braewoods> ... no
[12:26]  * braewoods sighs
[12:26] <Dovid> on the USB then?
[12:26] <braewoods> yes
[12:26] <Dovid> ok. I will re-image it
[12:27] <braewoods> i can't tell you anything about this internal drive because it's not detected
[12:27] <braewoods> that can mean a few things
[12:27] <braewoods> 1) the internal storage port no longer works
[12:27] <braewoods> 2) the drive has failed
[12:27] <braewoods> 3) there's a loose connection
[12:28] <Dovid> the internal works when I boot it up. I am booting from a USB so I can image it. I will reboot and check
[12:28]  * braewoods boggles
[12:28] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/67682861/how-to-use-utf8-characters-when-using-mysql-connector-for-c-in-visual-studio
[12:28] <braewoods> Oh.
[12:28] <braewoods> OH
[12:28] <braewoods> Dovid: I see your problem now.
[12:28] <braewoods> for that anyway
[12:28] <Dovid> ?
[12:28] <braewoods> ahci 0000:00:17.0: Found 1 remapped NVMe devices.
[12:28] <braewoods> check the lines below that
[12:29] <braewoods> that's why it's not detected
[12:29] <braewoods> it is detected but not available for use
[12:29] <Dovid> because it's nvme? why is that? why can't nvme be used?
[12:29] <braewoods> it's an nvme drive, and those don't use sd* normally
[12:29] <tatertots> zetheroo: pastebin the contents of ~/nip.pir then do the same commands when connected to only LAN
[12:29] <braewoods> Dovid: linux thing, you'll need to make the switch. don't ask me why.
[12:29] <braewoods> i just remembered this issue from years back.
[12:30] <braewoods> Linux can't use it unless it's in AHCI mode.
[12:30] <Dovid> strange. I have nvme on other laptops that work fine
[12:30] <Dovid> ah ok
[12:30] <braewoods> it's probably a device specific quirk.
[12:30] <braewoods> i just assumed it was a SATA drive.
[12:31] <zetheroo> tatertots: completed
[12:31] <tatertots> zetheroo: cat ~/nip.pir|nc 5.39.93.71 9999
[12:32] <zetheroo> hang on ... trying to get the pastebin link copied
[12:32] <tatertots> zetheroo: then share the url/link here...alternatively you can manually make a pastebin
[12:33] <zetheroo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rhhp6sRCGB
[12:34] <cpare> hello
[12:34] <tatertots> zetheroo: says you don't have nettools...
[12:34] <tatertots> zetheroo: so you might do what it says to have it
[12:34] <zetheroo> yes, saw that ... installed now
[12:36] <zetheroo> Do I need to do the whole set of commands again now with net-tools installed?
[12:36] <tatertots> zetheroo: no just do the following
[12:36] <tatertots> zetheroo: route -n &>> ~/nip.pir
[12:37] <tatertots> zetheroo: then repeat those commands with only LAN/wire connected
[12:37] <tatertots> zetheroo: finally you'll show the resulting pastebin here
[12:37] <zetheroo> k
[12:39] <zetheroo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gYYtsXdXm3 This is with both WiFi and Ethernet connected
[12:42] <zetheroo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qvC8XFcBtx This is with WiFi disconnected and Ethernet connected
[12:42] <jcdutton> braewoods, is it a nvme device you are trying to use?
[12:43] <tatertots> zetheroo: ok
[12:43] <braewoods> jcdutton: ... i'm not the one with the issue
[12:43] <braewoods> jcdutton: Dovid is
[12:43] <tatertots> zetheroo: a couple more tests only using LAN/wired
[12:43] <zetheroo> ok
[12:43] <jcdutton> Dovid, when you use a nvme device, it appears as /dev/nvme...   not /dev/sd...
[12:43] <tatertots> zetheroo: i'll send the commands momentarily
[12:46] <tatertots> zetheroo: ping -c 5 192.168.80.1 &>> ~/nip1.pir
[12:47] <tatertots> zetheroo: mtr -r -c 3 8.8.8.8 &>> ~/nip1.pir
[12:47] <Milan96> Hello
[12:47] <tatertots> zetheroo: nslookup aol.com &>> ~/nip1.pir
[12:48] <tatertots> zetheroo: then show the content in a pastebin
[12:48] <zetheroo> k
[12:51] <zetheroo> tatertots:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/kCHpgfZCdh
[12:51] <tatertots> zetheroo: when it appears you have lost connectivity or some degradation of connectivity, I'd be interested to know if you've lost communication with your gateway, or if there is degraded communication with your gateway
[12:51] <zetheroo> ok
[12:51] <tatertots> zetheroo: your gateway is 192.168.80.1
[12:51] <zetheroo> correct
[12:52] <tatertots> zetheroo: ping it when you observe and or notice some loss or degradation in connectivity
[12:52] <tatertots> zetheroo: it does show a slight %33 loss but that is NOT on premise
[12:53] <tatertots> zetheroo: I'd be interested in seeing the results when you observe some degradation and or loss
[12:53] <zetheroo> Well right now the PC is only connected via Ethernet and I am trying to open YouTube in Firefox and it's been loading since over a minute
[12:53] <zetheroo> if I switch over to WiFi it loads in a couple seconds
[12:54] <tatertots> zetheroo: firefox introduced their own little DNS thing a while back, not sure if you opted in or if users can still "opt out" of using that "feature"...just something to keep in mind
[12:54] <zetheroo> ok, but I experience the degradation also when doing 'apt update' for example
[12:54] <tatertots> zetheroo: with that having been said your name resolution shows as expected
[12:55] <tatertots> zetheroo: ok let's test some youtube while connected only to LAN
[12:55] <PCplague> Is there microwaves near ?? is lunchtime ??
[12:55] <zetheroo> youtube.com timed out ... all I got to see was the TOS page
[12:56] <tatertots> zetheroo: mtr -r -c 3 142.250.114.91 &>> ~/nip2.pir
[12:56] <tatertots> zetheroo: route -n &>> ~/nip2.pir
[12:57] <tatertots> zetheroo: mtr -r -c 3 142.250.114.190 &>> ~/nip2.pir
[12:58] <tatertots> zetheroo: show the contents via pastebin
[12:58] <zetheroo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7fPp83Qvjb is any of this (from syslog) of interest ?
[12:59] <tatertots> zetheroo: syslog isn't of interests to me personally with your symptom(s) ...i'm sure someone might be interested...just not me
[12:59] <zetheroo>  tatertots: with only the Ethernet connected?
[12:59] <tatertots> zetheroo: yes
[12:59] <zetheroo> k
[13:01] <tatertots> zetheroo: keep in mind the firefox thing i've already mentioned...so you might test different browsers to be more thorough
[13:02] <zetheroo> but if it were a browser issue why would 'apt update' be stalling as well when trying to reach the repos?
[13:02] <tatertots> zetheroo: it wouldn't
[13:03] <zetheroo> trying it now as well ... getting Err:2 ... Connection timed out 91.189.88.152
[13:03] <tatertots> zetheroo: you also don't mention which repos specifically, but you have some control over that via the GUI thing
[13:03] <tatertots> zetheroo: show the pastebin
[13:05] <tatertots> zetheroo: if you're getting timed out on the repos, you've probably seen some pattern in the tests we've done thus far, so you can use these things with IP's of the repos you have issue with in the future
[13:08] <zetheroo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/m5fX2XQZQq
[13:09] <zetheroo> I included the output of 'apt update'
[13:10] <tatertots> zetheroo: i'm seeing losses on these
[13:10] <tatertots> zetheroo: just FYI those IP's are of youtube.com
[13:11] <zetheroo> could it have something to do with sssd? The WiFi network does not have access to the AD domain, but the Ethernet network does.
[13:11] <tatertots> zetheroo: so yeah i'd believe it wasn't exactly loading "instantaneously" in your firefox...i'd buy that
[13:11] <zetheroo> :)
[13:12] <tatertots> zetheroo: i can't reach that specific repo either...so you might change away from it
[13:13] <tatertots> zetheroo: i'm getting a time out on that repo IP also
[13:13] <tatertots> zetheroo: so...
[13:13] <zetheroo> with WiFi connected 'apt update completes without issue for me.
[13:15] <tatertots> zetheroo: i'd rather see the results of pings and traces rather than your human descriptions and observations....no offense
[13:15] <tatertots> zetheroo: if you can show that with pings and traces that would be ideal
[13:16] <zetheroo> its very hard because I cannot just cop/paste stuff back and forth :/
[13:17] <zetheroo> https://ibb.co/VY0SzvY
[13:17] <tatertots> zetheroo: if a repo is giving you trouble ..you can change repos, to complete any update or installations...you won't need to be in constant contact with any repo
[13:17] <zetheroo> first one is on Ethernet, and the second on WiFi
[13:19] <co0n> tatertots, did I read you correctly in that you could reproduce packet loss at the destination when running mtr against 142.250.114.190 and 142.250.114.91 ? Because this is not reproducible from my place at all. There are some "cloaked" hops with 100% loss before the destination, though.
[13:19] <cbreak> Hi all. I have a problem with 21.04 of severity "slightly annoying". My normal audio output is done via a FiiO USB DAC. But when ever I turn on my USB Microphone (which has also audio out), Ubuntu automatically switches to the microphone as audio output, despite this being undesirable. Can I mark the FiiO as prefered output?
[13:20] <zetheroo> it's not just the repo, it's all networking - browsing to local network shares, logging in as an AD user, connecting to the PC via VNC ... etc
[13:20] <co0n> zetheroo, that means we can rule out your ISP, i suppose.
[13:20] <zetheroo> over the Ethernet connection it's extremely unstable, but over the WiFi it's like normal
[13:21] <zetheroo>  co0n: definitely. I am in an office with over a hundreds systems running ... ;)
[13:21] <tatertots> zetheroo: have you compared your LAN and WLAN configurations?
[13:22] <tatertots> zetheroo: use the repo IP when doing any testing
[13:22] <zetheroo> I have about 5 other laptops (including another Ubuntu 20.04) connected via Ethernet in the same office as the trouble-PC ... and no problems on them.
[13:23] <co0n> zetheroo, are those ubuntu machines running the same package set, e.g. using some provisioning software, or are they all manually installed?
[13:23] <zetheroo>  tatertots: like this? https://ibb.co/Rzwdjx9
[13:24] <zetheroo>  co0n: mine is Ubuntu 20.04 and the trouble pc is 21.04, but I also tried a LIVE session of 20.04 on the trouble pc and it had the same problem with the network
[13:24] <zetheroo>  co0n: they are manually installed
[13:24] <tatertots> zetheroo: i see you're using IPv6 on one interface and not the other...you might reconcile why that is, and determine if you should be using IPv6 on both or NONE
[13:25] <tatertots> zetheroo: you have a v6 addy on wifi
[13:25] <zetheroo>  tatertots: by default it was enabled on both. Someone previously suggested I try disabling it on the Ethernet connection ... which is why it's disabled there
[13:25] <tatertots> zetheroo: which happens to be the interface you do NOT have problem with...coincidence ...?
[13:25] <diamondbond> is anyone here running adwaita themes on ubuntu?
[13:25] <tatertots> you'll need to reconcile these type of things
[13:25] <co0n> tatertots, the intermittent packet losses where on ipv4, iirc.
[13:26] <co0n> It might be a good idea to disable ipv6 until things are sorted though, i agree.
[13:26] <zetheroo> co0n: ipv6 has already been disabled on the Ethernet connection
[13:27] <zetheroo> that was the first thing I did
[13:27] <tatertots> co0n: i tried to ping the repo IP he couldn't connect with and it timmed out for me too
[13:28] <tatertots> timed
[13:28] <co0n> zetheroo, just disable it globally for the time being.
[13:28] <zetheroo> My own Ubuntu 20.04 laptop has ipv6 enabled on both WiFi and Ethernet and no probs here
[13:28] <co0n> tatertots, aah, i thought it was about the youtube ips. thanks for clarifying.
[13:28] <tatertots> co0n: no worries/prob
[13:29] <co0n> zetheroo, it's probably not ipv6, but disabling it won't hurt in debugging an ipv4 problem. Less things to consider...
[13:30] <zetheroo> ok, just looking for how to disable it globally
[13:30] <zetheroo> is it enough to disable it via the GUI?
[13:31] <zetheroo> I disabled it on both Ethernet and Wifi connections
[13:31] <zetheroo> via the GUI that is
[13:31] <co0n> zetheroo, you can check by looking at the `ip a` output again.
[13:32] <tatertots> zetheroo: sometimes disable of v6 via the GUI is NOT enough
[13:32] <tatertots> zetheroo: keep that in mind
[13:32] <tatertots> zetheroo: sometimes it doesn't actually disable it
[13:32] <zetheroo> co0n: yep, the inet6 info doesn't show up anymore
[13:32] <zetheroo> I also disconnected the connections and reconnected
[13:33] <tatertots> zetheroo: wired/wireless both using auto/dynamic IP? or static?...i don't think inquired about that prior
[13:34] <zetheroo> unfortunately this hasn't resolved the problem
[13:34] <zetheroo> everything dynamic
[13:34] <zetheroo>  tatertots: ^
[13:35] <co0n> zetheroo, we have observed packet loss when connecting to youtube. The apt-update errors have to be considered a separate issue, I suppose, as the server seems to be unresponsive for others as well. Can we find another unrelated host to which the mtr trace reports packet loss?
[13:36] <tatertots> zetheroo: i'm on the same page and or agree with co0n ...present some other host/IP to scrutinize and or test with
[13:36] <zetheroo> maybe something local ?
[13:37] <co0n> zetheroo, what about `mtr -r -c 3 cactuar.canonical.com`?
[13:38] <tatertots> co0n: did you have any packet loss to youtube from your area?...i didn't have any either
[13:38] <zetheroo> right, what if it's not showing up with IP addresses because it's DNS related ... is that possible!?
[13:38] <co0n> tatertots, noo, it was all fine, just some cloaked hops right before the destination.
[13:39] <co0n> zetheroo, according to the only "real" error we have observed, it was unrelated to dns, as we were tracing youtube ips.
[13:41] <co0n> zetheroo, apart from the recommendation to switch your mirrors to something that actually responds. Reference https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors to find something suitable to and/or near you.
[13:41] <zetheroo> I tried `mtr -r -c 3 cactuar.canonical.com` and only had 33.3% loss at the third hop "3.|-- zara.zh.as8758.net"
[13:43] <co0n> zetheroo, what happens if you just run it again? I suspect you will get different results every time you run this.
[13:43] <zetheroo>  co0n: ok, which mirror will work for sure ... I'll switch to it.
[13:43] <tatertots> zetheroo: you won't need to be in constant contact with any repo..just long enough to complete the install/updates...you can easily manage repos via some GUI tool in the menu structure somewhere
[13:44] <co0n> zetheroo, zara is unfortunately not on my path, so I can't say too much about the host reachability.
[13:45] <zetheroo> the problem is not the repo, but I'll switch to the best one and test ..
[13:45] <co0n> zetheroo, general recommendation is to use a mirror in a country near you you can trust.
[13:46] <zetheroo> yeah, initially it was set to the repo in Switzerland, and I thought it was just a repo issue so I changed it to "Main server"
[13:46] <zetheroo> want me to try "Server for United States"?
[13:47] <zetheroo> refreshing software cache ... done ...
[13:47] <zetheroo> on Wifi
[13:47] <co0n> zetheroo, you are talking to us on the machine you are trying to debug?
[13:48] <zetheroo> no
[13:48] <co0n> zetheroo, because you keep switching to the working setup..
[13:48] <zetheroo> it's right beside me
[13:48] <zetheroo> yep, on Ethernet it's wrecked ... hang on ... waiting for it to finish and then I'll send it over
[13:50] <co0n> zetheroo, I just re-checked and it seems there was a single archive.ubuntu.com host [91.189.88.152] aka actiontoad.canonical.com unreachable. I cannot reproduce any problem here right now.
[13:51] <zetheroo> ok, 'apt update' actually completed this time on the Ethernet without timeouts ... but it took ~10 X as long ... I suppose the US repos have a longer timeout set
[13:51] <co0n> zetheroo, please retry the last mtr command a few times.
[13:52] <co0n> zetheroo, I am not convinced it is not a fluke.
[13:52] <zetheroo> ok testing ...
[13:55] <SergeyIT> zetheroo: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Fedora/I219-V-Ethernet-on-Thinkpad-T14-Intel-Gen2-very-slow%C2%A0/m-p/5077855
[13:55] <SergeyIT> zetheroo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1927925
[13:55] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1927925 in linux (Ubuntu) "Massive network problems with I219-V on Thinkpad T14 Gen2 (e1000e)" [Undecided, Confirmed]
[13:56] <zetheroo> SergeyIT: thank you!!
[13:56] <zetheroo> I was starting to think I was nuts :D
[13:57] <co0n> SergeyIT, zetheroo, that would suggest running a speed test to confirm this, or am I mistaken? The packet loss might be a part of this worth documenting in the bug.
[13:58] <zetheroo> is there a way to run a speedtest with a command as opposed to doing it via the browser?
[13:59] <zetheroo> "Transmitting doesn't seem to have such a problem, it only seems to affect receiving data." sounds like what I am seeing
[13:59] <co0n> zetheroo, you can use iperf if you have an endpoint to connect to. This can be just another instance on a laptop not exhibiting this problem.
[14:01] <co0n> zetheroo, linode seems to cover it adequately: https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/install-iperf-to-diagnose-network-speed-in-linux/
[14:01] <zetheroo> ok
[14:01] <zetheroo> I also found this https://linuxways.net/ubuntu/use-speedtest-cli-to-test-internet-speed-on-ubuntu-20-04/
[14:02] <co0n> zetheroo, sure, use a documentation from someone you think you can trust.
[14:03] <co0n> zetheroo, but I would be hesitant to install python just for this. But it will be there already anyways if its a desktop system, I reckon.
[14:04] <WaV> FWIW, I've used the cli method for speedtesting and it is slower than testing from a website in a browser.
[14:04] <leftyfb> speedtest-cli has known limitations
[14:05] <zetheroo> thing is that I want to test against something outside the local LAN
[14:06] <co0n> zetheroo, then use a browser to connect to speedtest.net
[14:06] <co0n> zetheroo, netflix' speed test is at fast.com, also worth a try.
[14:07] <zetheroo> I would ... except ... almost nothing loads in the browser while connected only to the Ethernet :)
[14:07] <zetheroo> I'll keep trying though
[14:08] <co0n> zetheroo, this makes me think that you either have an additional problem on top of the bug linked by SergeyIT, or a different problem.
[14:08] <leftyfb> co0n: fast.com also has limitations. ~300Mbps or so
[14:10] <co0n> leftyfb, if (s)he get's 300mbps, I'm out. Further speed fixes are to be discussed with your provider and/or infrastructure team.
[14:12] <zetheroo> it's 100% a device problem
[14:12] <zetheroo> as soon as I switch to WiFi it's normal
[14:14] <co0n> zetheroo, you could help yourself intermittently by using a usb network-adapter. And watch the bug linked above. I would recommend reporting our findings today in that report on launchpad.
[14:14] <co0n> That is assuming you do not want to keep using wifi until there's a remedy for this.
[14:18] <zetheroo> WiFi: Download = 190Mbps       Ethernet: Download = 0.65 Mbps
[14:19] <tatertots> zetheroo: get yourself one of those cheap USB NIC's....if it's a laptop you'll be fine on wireless for the immediate future
[14:20] <tatertots> zetheroo: you can get one for less than $20 USD
[14:20] <zetheroo>  tatertots: yeah, WiFi should be fine for now ... this PC is not for me though, so I know I am going to have to deal with an unhappy customer :/
[14:21] <zetheroo> (customer = employee)
[14:21] <zetheroo> but hey, they wanted Linux ... soooo ....
[14:21] <tatertots> you can't please %100 everyone %100 of the time
[14:21] <zetheroo> yup
[14:27] <zetheroo> alright, well thanks to everyone for their efforts 👍
[14:33] <gbit86> So is the new home of Ubuntu from freenode?
[14:33] <leftyfb> yes
[14:33] <gbit86> So is this*
[14:33] <gbit86> sweet
[14:38] <gbit86> Would anyone have any ideas on how I might be able to do 1 or 2 things. Either remap xrdpkeyboard input driver to be a physical /dev/input/* like device (so I can remap its input like other devices). Or redirect a physical USB device to a secondary xsession that belongs to DISPLAY 10.0 instead of 0.0.
[14:39] <gbit86> If there is a 3rd and easier option then I am all ears - but essentially I have a real need for remapping my keyboard input while using a remote desktop solution and the xrdpkeyboard virtual driver really throws a wrench into that - and even plugging straight in doesn't fix it..
[14:57] <co0n> gbit86, it might help if you try to tell us what you actually try to accomplish, since you seem to have done quite some research already.
[14:58] <IntelCore> ok ok.. ubuntu staff is in here now ?
[14:58] <ravage> This is a community help channel
[14:58] <IntelCore> bashing Ohm?
[14:59] <gbit86> co0n: Boils down to me wanting to use my kinto.sh remapper program while in my remote session. Virtual keyboard input drivers don't work with the python based remapper - only physical /dev/input keyboards do.. so naturally I want to just plug straight in or emulate a usb keyboard device.
[14:59] <co0n> gbit86, why would you remap a remappable keyboard for a second time? (This I typed before you responded ;) )
[14:59] <gbit86> co0n: The linux room has pointed me to multi-seats so I am now looking to properly implement that with my xrdp session and then see if I can connect physical usb device per the seat. Other alternatives are welcomed.
[15:01] <co0n> gbit86, you are talking about this project, right? https://github.com/rbreaves/kinto
[15:01] <gbit86> co0n: Because I am a developer and have a preference for mac style shortcut keys. My Kinto app has pains takingly brought them and converting that into xkbcomp or setxkbmap is a bit of  fools errand - I did that at one point early on, but there are much better ways of handling that. Sadly they don't work as well in these virtual keyboard situations.
[15:02] <gbit86> co0n: Yea, it is my project and it is largely based off of the work of xkeysnail which only works with physical devices. Likely due to the libraries it uses.
[15:02] <maldo> Hello. I have a problem with the kernel while loading. It hangs when loading the trackpad drivers. Im using psmouse.synaptics_intertouch=1 but sometimes the loader continues and other it just stops.
[15:03] <chaslinux> Trying to PXE autoinstall, but I keep getting the live-installer session. It looks like the meta-data and user-data are being read and I can access the http path to meta-data/user-data. https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/2fmbrDfT5y/
[15:03] <gbit86> co0n: Kinto did work on setxkbmap and xkbcomp - but all the switching had latency and could even potentially cause instability. It was much harder to make changes and additions to. Whereas xkeysnail is very simple and straight forward in comparison.
[15:04] <co0n> gbit86, let's look who else wants to chime in on that.
[15:06] <co0n> gbit86, this is just a wild shot, but did you familiarize yourself with the switch from X11 to Wayland? This might give you new tools to work with. Please note that this is me guessing into the blue, I have neither done this research.
[15:08] <gbit86> co0n: I'd love to work with Wayland but as of right now that also brings with it a new set of problems for xkeysnail which heavily relies on wm_class which is easily provided by x11. Wayland offloads that tot he DEs. I have an opened issue ticket to address it eventually on xkeysnail but that is a ways out and will be slow going. Every DE will have to be resolved individually based on their current model.
[15:11] <IntelCore> my window won't resize foxfire
[15:12] <IntelCore> it does resize hexchat window
[15:12] <leftyfb> IntelCore: foxfire isn't a supported application
[15:12] <IntelCore> what?
[15:12] <leftyfb> IntelCore: did you mean Firefox?
[15:12] <IntelCore> yea soz
[15:13] <co0n> gbit86, so we are still looking for a workaround to get virtual /dev/input keyboards , right? And you are handling this in python using the xkeysnail dependency.
[15:13] <IntelCore> compiz on
[15:14] <leftyfb> IntelCore: compiz isn't installed by default and AFAIK, isn't a very stable/developed project. Try disabling compiz completely and see if that fixes the issue
[15:14] <IntelCore> compiz on X11 Mesa
[15:15] <IntelCore> lts
[15:16] <gbit86> co0n: Anything that will allow me to detect my keyboard via a remote session - including plugging it in physically lol.
[15:16] <co0n> gbit86, have you tried plugging it in on the remote side? ;)
[15:16] <gbit86> co0n: I have a linux desktop I want configured for access 2 ways simultaneously
[15:17] <gbit86> I did try a feature built into nomachine to connect my usb keyboard directly actually.. it works.. for the display 0 console session.. not my current one.
[15:17] <co0n> gbit86, fair point.
[15:17] <gbit86> If I properly setup multiseats for the xrdp session then it might allow nomachine to operate properly.
[15:18] <gbit86> co0n: I think enabling multiseat for lightdm when I login via xrdp is the ticket.
[15:20] <co0n> gbit86, I don't pretend to know I have a clue about where you are going right now, but hey, try it. You sound confident.
[15:24] <IntelCore> leftyfb - Did everyone move to here?
[15:25] <leftyfb> IntelCore: this is now the official Ubuntu IRC channel
[15:25] <IntelCore> ok hot. Say hi to Bashing
[15:25] <IntelCore> bookmarked
[15:25] <IntelCore> luv you guys !
[15:45] <gbit86> How do I make an xrdp user login as seat1?
[16:50] <ash_worksi> wow, everyone *is* here
[16:50] <ash_worksi> how can I check that my password updated to what I think/wanted it to be updated to?
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> surprise!
[16:50] <ash_worksi> hi lotuspsychje :)
[16:51] <ash_worksi> like, I just want to check that "it works" without logging out
[16:51] <j2bv16> Hi
[16:51] <lotuspsychje> ash_worksi: ircd question would go to #libera
[16:51] <ash_worksi> (and perhaps not being able to log back in)
[16:51] <ash_worksi> lotuspsychje: by that you mean Freenode, right?
[16:55] <llutz> ash_worksi: you mean your linux user password?  "su - <username>" to chek
[16:55] <llutz> check*
[16:55] <j2bv16> I think he means libera commands
[16:56] <ash_worksi> okay, so I currently have sudo privs (I used my pass successfully a little while ago, but I wanted to change it)
[16:56] <leftyfb> ash_worksi: if you mean your ubuntu server, then just login(via ssh, without keys) using a different terminal
[16:56] <ash_worksi> trying to `su - myself` I get an auth failure
[16:56] <ash_worksi> do I have to log out for passwd to take effect?
[16:56] <ash_worksi> leftyfb: okay
[16:56] <leftyfb> ash_worksi: login with a different terminal
[16:57] <ash_worksi> k
[16:58] <ash_worksi> hmmm
[16:58] <ash_worksi> nope
[17:02] <ash_worksi> you know what? It was probably me using `ash_m@remote:/home/ash_m$ sudo passwd` with an incompatible password (reused) rather than su'ing to root and using passwd
[17:03] <llutz> ash_worksi: sudo passwd    sets root password, not your users
[17:05] <quantum_> so just installed Ubuntu, but the boot loader does not see my windows 10 os and just boots to Ubuntu directly. How do I fix that
[17:05] <quantum_> I had upgraded a previous system with a fressh install. windows 10 is on a seporate drive
[17:10] <gnoob> Hello, I want to reformat my entire PC and my plan is to install windows to my secondary drive and then install Ubuntu to my primary drive and have it be my main OS.  It theory I think I should have no issues but I thought I would ask if I am overlooking something?
[17:14] <matsaman> gnoob: yeah
[17:15] <matsaman> I'd put Windows on the first drive
[17:15] <bittin_> heya :)
[17:15] <matsaman> Ubuntu on second, and let Ubuntu put GRUB on the first
[17:16] <matsaman> but either will work
[17:19] <gnoob> matsaman, the main drive is an NVME m.2 drive the secondary drive is a HDD laptop.
[17:19] <gnoob> so that was my though
[17:20] <matsaman> just the order I'm talking about
[17:20] <matsaman> doesn't matter which drive is in which order
[17:20] <matsaman> I can't actually remember why I suggest Windows be on the first drive
[17:21] <matsaman> honestly, I'd just put windows in a vm at this point, if you even need it at all
[17:21] <matsaman> you can even pass through GPU access with modern virtualization
[17:21] <matsaman> so you could even argue a metal install of windows isn't required even for win32 only games
[17:26] <bittin-> first Ubuntu twitch broadcast in less then an hour http://twitch.tv/ubuntuonair
[17:28] <lotuspsychje> #ubuntu-discuss please bittin-
[17:46] <gnoob> matsaman, thanks for the insight. I have debated the VM route.  Wonder how that wold work with the license I have.  I think it would complain about the hardware no longer matching.
[17:52] <matsaman> gnoob: the license for windows?
[17:53] <matsaman> I'm not sure it'd care at all about that at this point, but you could probably try these instructions anyway: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Migrate_Windows#HardDiskSupport
[17:53] <matsaman> but you could also just harvest your product key from your install
[17:53] <matsaman> and install a completely fresh Windows
[17:53] <matsaman> and give it that key
[17:53] <matsaman> which is, I think that's actually totally kosher with Microsoft, under many circumstances
[17:53] <matsaman> and they won't ever care regardless
[17:54] <gnoob> matsaman, yes, the key for windows.  I thought in some ways it was tied to the hardware.
[17:55] <leftyfb> gnoob: this would be a question for #windows
[17:55] <matsaman> gnoob: it has been in the past, as the link I gave states, but I'm not sure it is anymore; easily resolved regardless
[17:57] <EriC^^> gnoob: the key is in the motherboard i believe, but you can find it using ubuntu by typing "sudo strings /sys/firmware/acpi/tables/MSDM" and maybe enter it manually
[17:59] <gnoob> Alright, thanks everyone.  Will now need to debate how I proceed.
[18:09] <gnoob> #windows says that Windows will not have any complaints being on the secondary drive.  So that's good, if I go that route.
[18:10] <tommy``> hi
[18:10] <matsaman> I wasn't worried about Windows
[18:10] <matsaman> I was worried about the first drive
[18:10] <matsaman> Windows always assumes it's the only OS
[18:10] <tommy``> I've a problem after soem fresh install of ubuntu 20.04.2 lts
[18:10] <tommy``> with audio
[18:10] <matsaman> gnoob: ^
[18:10] <matsaman> gnoob: but probably you'll be fine either way
[18:10] <tommy``> chiI've snd-hda-intel and i add on alsa-base.conf the model=6stack-gi
[18:10] <tommy``> 6stack-dig*
[18:11] <tommy``> but the problem now is that microphone doesn't work
[18:11] <tommy``> what I should do?
[18:11] <matsaman> did model=6stack-gi get you something useful?
[18:11] <tommy``> sorry i misstyped
[18:11] <tommy``> 6stack-dig <---
[18:12] <slingamn> i'm setting up ubuntu 21.04 server but i'd like to use networkmanager
[18:12] <slingamn> i'm not sure how to enable it: i updated /etc/netplan/01-netcfg.yaml to have `renderer: NetworkManager` but it doesn't seem to be taking effect
[18:12] <matsaman> tommy``: whatever it's called, is it doing anything useful for you?
[18:13] <tommy``> yes i can hear audio now
[18:13] <tommy``> but microhpne doesn't work
[18:13] <tommy``> I have both front and rear microphone
[18:13] <tommy``> but on settings i can't see rear microphone
[18:13] <tommy``> I've installed some tools called "pavucontrol" and seems like the rear microphone shows me as "unplugged"
[18:17] <gnoob> tommy`` to be sure you don't have keys that disable the microphone, like my laptop if you press the function key and F4 the microphone is disabled.
[18:17] <matsaman> tommy``: where'd you get 6stack-dig from?
[18:18] <tommy``> matsaman: i read a guide from ubuntu wiki that says "cp /usr/share/doc/alsa-base/driver/HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz $HOME gzip -d HD-Audio-Models.txt.gz "
[18:18] <tommy``> gnoob: no no, i don't have those buttons on my deskotp
[18:18] <alexa> Guys, I'm using 20.04 for almost a year now. Everything has worked well, until I changed VGA cable and got problem with Xrandr forgetting resolution, so instead of having 1920x1200, I get 1024x768
[18:18] <tommy``> matsaman: as my chipset is ADI1988B i searched on that txt
[18:19] <alexa> How to reconfigure X.conf?
[18:19] <alexa> my "journalctl -p 3|nc 5.39.93.71 9999" is here >> https://termbin.com/8elh
[18:23] <matsaman> alexa: you had vga before and vga now, just a different cable?
[18:23] <alexa> matsaman, yes, the older was somehow damaged. Displayed colors wrong based on how I move the PC :-/
[18:24] <alexa> and 50cm longer
[18:24] <alexa> previous VGA was 2m, the new one 2.5m
[18:25] <gnoob> #windows also says "...disable secure boot grub should be fine to boot windows from the second disk"
[18:26] <matsaman> alexa: and 'xrandr' can't set the resolution you want?
[18:27] <alexa> matsaman, I do it manually "gtf 1920 1200 60", then Xrandr newmode, than addmode
[18:27] <alexa> but it gets lost when restarted
[18:30] <matsaman> alexa: https://askubuntu.com/questions/754231/how-do-i-save-my-new-resolution-setting-with-xrandr
[18:30] <alexa> matsaman, .xprofile is accessed occurs fairly late in the startup process
[18:31] <alexa> matsaman, I have consulted Google beforehand
[18:32] <matsaman> it covers xorg.conf also
[18:33] <alexa> I have no xorg.conf
[18:35] <oerheks> create one, in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config
[18:37] <Alexa> oerheks, I wish I were that savvy user.
[18:37] <Alexa> It's a bare construct.
[18:37] <Alexa> of xorg.conf.
[18:43] <ash_worksi> is there a single letter for ugo ?
[18:43] <Zealarion> I just installed Ubuntu & I've let others RESPECTFULLY share it, but I rely on scripting in my hobbies I enjoy alot, and now I can't even to that.  I deliberately baited the people making trouble for me by my Alienware informatics, & now...  They're your personal servants.
[18:43] <ash_worksi> like 'a' perhaps?
[18:43] <ash_worksi> nvm, thank you `man`
[18:44] <leftyfb> Zealarion: can we help you with something?
[18:45] <Zealarion> Well this is something for a personal issue support channel because of certain reasons, but there's bots & drones that can do that.
[18:45] <Zealarion> Someone deliberately hacked my own computer obliviously.  Now they're in lockdown in my private dimension.
[18:53] <leftyfb> Zealarion: trolling is offtopic here. Feel free to join #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:54] <dada513> testing irc client
[18:55] <dada513> So.. I am having this problem for months and this is literally the only bad experience I have with ubuntu so far. Nvidia 390 driver just works, I installed it and everything is fine. When I install any 4xx drivers however, I get a black screen after reboot without any error message. CTRL+ALT+F1/2/3/4 does nothing, only way to restore is timeshift backup. Does anyone know what could be the cause, I cant run most Proton games with the old
[18:55] <dada513> drivers. OS is ubuntu 20.04 and card is GTX1050Ti (pc, no iGPU) the 460 driver worked on my old pc, with the same graphic card, though. I installed the driver using the GUI driver manager, btw.
[19:04] <gbit86> What is the simplest way to ensure that a usb device connects to an xsession or DE on a particular DISPLAY port?
[19:27] <tommy``> hi again, still nothing with audio/microphone configuaration
[19:59] <tomreyn> gbit86: i think you need to provide more details, i don't see the relation between usb devices and X sessions
[20:00] <tomreyn> (there certainly can be some, but more info is needed nevertheless)
[20:01] <gbit86> tomreyn: I have remote sessions going on on different DISPLAY ports - so the relation is that I do not want all of my usb devices attached to DISPLAY :0. I want some of them attached to DISPLAY :10 in the same manner one would do a multiseat environment. I would also like to avoid getting another GPU or setting up Xephyr or whatever other crazy thing..
[20:02] <gbit86> tomreyn: I really don't think knowing those details really simplifies anything - at the end of the day I need to be able to redirect physical input devices to specific DISPLAY ports.
[20:03] <tomreyn> so that's about usb HID's, i guess this cimplifies it already.
[20:03] <gbit86> x2x might work.. but will be annoying - having to drag across screens I cannot see versus being like this is tied directly to this DISPLAY session.
[20:03] <pi0> using cli commands can one determine if a device is usb3?
[20:04] <gbit86> pi0: pretty much yea.. I will have to look up that command though
[20:06] <gbit86> pi0: just use dmesg imo
[20:06] <gbit86> better than parsing it out from the directories
[20:07] <pi0> gives my a bunch of info
[20:07] <pi0> do i need to limit it by vendor id
[20:07] <pi0> or how
[20:09] <gbit86> unplug and replug the device
[20:10] <pi0> hmm
[20:10] <pi0> yep not sure if that is the correct way
[20:10] <pi0> spits out all sorts of stuff
[20:11] <gbit86> dude you're looking for this /devices/pci0000:00/XXX/XXX/inputXX
[20:11] <gbit86> and in those XXX's it usually says if it is usb3 or not..
[20:11] <gbit86> at least it does on mine
[20:13] <gbit86> and there is no correct way.. but you can spend hours trying to decipher sys paths other ways and which device belongs to what if you want.
[20:14] <gbit86> xinput -list is not likely to tell you much
[20:15] <gbit86> there is also evtest
[20:15] <tomreyn> lsusb -t may help
[20:16] <pi0> evtest?
[20:16] <gbit86> evtest is a package in the repos
[20:18] <gbit86> tomreyn: So does it simplify things - passing usb hid to a specific display port?
[20:18] <gbit86> I sure can't find that.
[20:23] <tommy``> this audio card will drive me crazy
[20:24] <tommy``> i can't get it working
[20:26] <tomreyn> gbit86: no, or not for me. but i mean that knowing that you're referring to a HID rather than, say, a scanner or printer, is making it easier to understand what your goals are.
[20:27] <tomreyn> tommy``: audio can be difficult to get right if it's very new or extraordinary. did you try the generic help page on this, yet?
[20:27] <tomreyn> !audio | tommy``
[20:27] <ubot3> tommy``: If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings.  If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - https://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files,  see !players and !mp3.
[20:27] <tommy``> tomreyn: the fact is with some setting inside alsa-base.conf I have audio working, but it doesnt recognize rear or front mic
[20:31] <gbit86> tomreyn: ultimately it is irrelevant on what type of device it is because all I want is a device to be associated with a specific display port. That would be far more useful than some kind of selective hack that words for hid devices.
[20:31] <gbit86> that works* for hid devices
[20:33] <tomreyn> gbit86: i don't know how to do it, sorry. just tried to help you ask a more targetted question. but i see your point.
[20:33] <tomreyn> tommy``: oftenthose are just muted, and you can enable them using alsamixer on a terminal
[20:36] <matari> \join #postgresql
[20:36] <matari> ooops!
[20:36] <matari> sorry
[20:36] <matari> used wrong slash :-[
[20:37] <CodeMouse92> We are silently judging you.
[20:37] <matari> :-/
[20:38] <CodeMouse92> :-\
[20:39] <matari> hi all! I'm matari and i think KDE is best DE
[20:39] <matari> come at me bro! :P (j/k!)
[20:41] <matari> wow, really chill group ^_^
[20:41] <CodeMouse92> matari: Getting a bit off topic there, use #ubuntu-offtopic for that
[20:41] <matari> oohhhh! sorry, kk, will do
[20:42] <tomreyn> matari: this very channel is really just for support Q&A, that's why. but it's good that you have found a desktop you like
[20:44] <matari> thx! yeah initially I was using Xubuntu because old laptop but when I read KDE is also comparable in resource usage to XFCE, I switched to Kubuntu and it's very nice ^_^ but yeah. I'm pretty green to IRC so thanks for giving me heads up on channel to use!
[20:46] <braewoods> matari: KDE has been rocky since they went to 5.x. i don't know if they've stabilized but i got regular crashes from random applications.
[20:46] <braewoods> i last tried 18.04 or so.
[20:47] <braewoods> just something to be aware of if you run into issues
[20:47] <braewoods> KDE has historically had more problems for a few years after each new major series
[20:47] <braewoods> there was a lot of problems with KDE 4 too for a good whie
[20:47] <braewoods> while
[20:53] <gbit86> tomreyn: this is advice for a hard drive but I think I can apply it to keyboards and any usb device  https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/141255/give-a-specific-user-permissions-to-a-device-without-giving-access-to-other-user
[20:53] <gbit86> I was not looking to block access to the device itself.. but ultimately if I do block access then I assume I can also allow access to the proper user..
[20:54] <gbit86> despite whatever session and display issues
[20:57] <matari> braewoods: yeah, I installed Kubuntu 20.04 on this 10 year old laptop that I got for $75 on ebay and so far so good. I did read about KDE having troubled times but also that they seem to have got it working well now
[20:58] <matari> p.s. how do I address/tag someone? just type their name & a colon?
[20:58] <tomreyn> matari: that's right
[20:59] <Gorian> well afai, the colon is just tradition or whatever - any username mention makes a highlight, there's not special format for it. matari
[21:00] <tomreyn> gbit86: normally, Xorg / X11 is known to provide everyone access to all input, so i'm not even sure what you initially seemed to describe as your goal, is even possible. i also don't know which ubuntu release and kernel version this is. chances are, you'll have a lot more control on this using (X)Wayland, though.
[21:00] <sarnold> matari: most irc clients will let you tab-complete a nickname, try sarn<tab>
[21:04] <gbit86> Wayland isn't happening any time soon. I'd love for it to but you're asking for something that'll be far more complicated than fixing the issue at hand.
[21:05] <gbit86> I know you are trying to be helpful but I am exploiting many features of x11 that wayland just simply doesn't offer and would complicate what I am doing significantly.
[21:09] <netnetnet> im a bit ignorant of the details, but does wayland offer a different API than Xorg? I know there are under the hood performance improvements, but is the case that clients on the layer above would need to port to target wayland?
[21:10] <tomreyn> we have #ubuntu-discuss for discussions which are not immediate support requests
[21:10] <netnetnet> oh im sorry
[21:13] <matari> sarnold: wow! it worked : ) thank you sir ^_^
[21:14] <braewoods> matari: ivy bridge i presume
[21:14] <sarnold> matari: yay :)
[21:14] <matari> braewoods: ivy bridge? not sure i follow : )
[21:15] <braewoods> matari: cpu generation
[21:15] <matari> ohhhhh, erm lemme see
[21:16] <matari> braewoods: AME Turion II P560 (2) @ 2.5 GHz
[21:16] <braewoods> oh wow that is ancient
[21:16] <matari> lol!
[21:16] <matari> yep : )
[21:17] <matari> that's why it was $75 on ebay ^_^
[21:17] <braewoods> a bit high for that age
[21:17] <braewoods> ut eh
[21:17] <matari> but the thing is, I'm using the laptop for learning purposes so I'm not overtaxing it really
[21:17] <matari> I popped in an SSD so that helped
[21:17] <braewoods> matari: RAM?
[21:18] <matari> 8GB
[21:18] <braewoods> that's probably the max it can handle
[21:18] <matari> yep!
[21:18] <braewoods> i'd bet it's a HP given who actually used mobile AMD
[21:18] <matari> actually it's a ThinkPad
[21:18] <matari> because I heard they play nice with Linux
[21:18] <braewoods> well lenovo does too just usually HP
[21:20] <braewoods> i rebuilt a probook 6475b before
[21:20] <braewoods> the last AMD that was still socketed for laptops
[21:23] <matari> braewoods: you got me there. The most experience I have is replacing a hard drive or memory : )
[21:33] <sebsebseb> hi
[21:34] <gbit86> omg.. guys. I was asking how do I define my usb hid input via xorg.conf.. that's all it was :/..
[21:39] <braewoods> gbit86: there's almost no need for that today.
[21:40] <gbit86> braewoods: wayland?
[21:40] <braewoods> gbit86: why would you need to use xorg.conf for wayland? It's used for X11.
[21:42] <braewoods> even with the X11 bridge i can't see why it would be used.
[21:42] <gbit86> braewoods: I am questioning if you are referring to waylanding making xorg.conf and defining things there irrelevant or if you mean that there's an easier way to define hid input devices for remote sessions (multi-user environments - like what I am setting up for myself).
[21:42] <braewoods> gbit86: it's largely automatic today so that's why i don't understand why you'd even want to mess with it.
[21:43] <gbit86> I only need 2 users working on this desktop so that I can walk between 2 desks and essentially be doing work on the same computer while logged into 2 different user accounts or same account even if that wouldn't create issues.
[21:44] <gbit86> So I can be natively on my linux desktop and via a remote solution.. it is in the same room, but still I want very specific things to work right and this is a requirement for me.
[21:44] <braewoods> so, why not run a second X server for that purpose?
[21:44] <braewoods> iirc, there's a VNC variant.
[21:45] <gbit86> VNC is quite slow and unpleasant overall. Setting up the session with xrdp and then following that up with NoMachine is completely flawless.. I have perfect sound, fluid video, extremely response desktop and low latency.
[21:45] <gbit86> There's literally 0 chance of getting any of that with the bear that is VNC.
[21:45] <braewoods> if you already have a solution, then what's the problem?
[21:46] <gbit86> VNC over xrdp is an improvement but.. xrdp/xorg w/ NoMachine is ever better lol.
[21:47] <gbit86> I have like 90% of the solution done - I just need my keyboard working right with my Kinto program. That is the issue, I can't remap anything with xrdpkeyboard driver going..
[21:48] <braewoods> so, you need CJK or so input to work?
[21:48] <gry> gbit86: you know of x2go?
[21:48] <braewoods> i'm missing what's actually *not* working
[21:49] <braewoods> when i've had to remap keys for specific devices i've always used the hw database
[21:49] <braewoods> usually for laptop special keys
[21:49] <gbit86> If x2go works like x2x then it won't work.. virtual devices need not apply and even creating a usb type device doesn't help much if it misses the display port I am on.. also specifying the display port w/ x2x was there - but again it misses the keymapper so not very helpful in the end.
[21:50] <gbit86> My key remapper is very dynamic - unlike most static remappers. Leverages x11 and wm_class constantly. kinto.sh for those interested. It will not work with your typical xkbcomp or xmodmap solutions.
[21:52] <braewoods> gbit86: well the only other way i know of to remap keys is at the low level with udev or kernel level drivers
[21:53] <gbit86> kinto => xkeysnail => x11/udev/uinput
[21:53] <gbit86> that's what you are looking at pretty much.
[21:55] <gbit86> it is happening on a low level but I am pulling in other information so that I can make sure you get the right custom remaps without having to always make them global. You can do it in groups or specific application, all happens in layers so that you essentially make the fewest remaps possible. You get broad coverage and specific remaps at the same time.
[21:56] <gbit86> My main goal is handle all remaps in a single config or application.. I hate doing remaps per application.
[23:18] <gbit86> So I am half way.. I have been able to block my keyboard from loading on the normal user session - but it will not load up for xrdp xorg sessions still :/
[23:25] <chilversc> any one know why nfsd would be running statx and re-reading /etc/mtab for every single exported mount when a client is doing a simple ls?
[23:39] <witheringwanton> chilversc, hacked?
[23:50] <gbit86> Anyone here have any experience with updating the xorg.conf file to pass in any type of usb device to an xrdp session? It'd be a huge help to hear from someone that experience with modifying this file "/etc/X11/xrdp/xorg.conf". I only seem to hang up my login when I give it the same settings that work for a normal xorg session.