[00:09] hi, gbit86, maybe ask #xorg [00:10] then share their solution (or whatever solution you might find) here [00:13] gry: thanks [00:17] gbit86: thank you, too; may take a while for them to answer; please keep the chat window open [00:17] Is ubuntu good for education? [00:17] hello-smile: yes; what are you thinking about teaching? [00:18] that's a bit broad of a question.. what are you hoping to do with it? [00:18] gry: will try - I think the web irc client I use may keep me online for 24 hrs at a time.. I am not sure. [00:18] I mean, is it good for elementary school children? [00:18] gbit86: if you close the tab, irccloud stays connected for two hours after it [00:18] hello-smile: yes, my brother uses it since he is four [00:19] Huh. Is ElementaryOS (elementary.io) better for user friendliness? [00:19] yes, if it has an app for what you need [00:19] it's designed to be good for desktops [00:20] Huh. Could you port the ElementaryOS AppCenter component to Ubuntu? [00:20] why not use elementaryos itself, then? [00:20] hello-smile: I recommend trying ubuntubudgie.org over elementaryOS, has just as much, if not more polish and they aren't pushing an app store on you. Also I fully support either with kinto.sh - but I also have a fast dev environment script built for Ubuntu Budgie. [00:20] hello-smile: ... you do realize elementaryos is a derivative of ubuntu? [00:21] gbit86: elementaryos's app store's got fewer proprietary apps, no? :) [00:21] Yes. Did you know Ubuntu is a derivative of ElementaryOS? [00:21] hello-smile: If you want to see my ideal version of a linux distro.. it is very mac like - but no downloading of weird themes or doing weird things.. just normal stuff part of a distro or apps every day developers would use. https://github.com/rbreaves/kairos [00:22] Yes. Also, even though you have to use the command line to install Debian packages, at least they did away with the ugly app icons. [00:22] hello-smile: kairos also downloads my http://kinto.sh app so that you have mac like shortcut keys as well. [00:23] ElementaryOS uses MacOS key symbols. [00:23] What about that? [00:23] Could you port a .apk file for an Android application to Ubuntu? [00:24] Just wondering. [00:24] hello-smile, elementaryos isn't well known here, try https://elementary.io/support instead [00:24] hello-smile: anbox can let you run android stuff on ubuntu, but it's probably not easy [00:24] hello-smile: https://anbox.io/ [00:24] anbox is ok [00:24] Can you port them directly? So like, decompile and compile for Debian? [00:24] no. [00:25] Ugh. [00:25] hello-smile: Screen shot Ubuntu Budgie w/ Kinto, zsh & the global menu.. things Kairos will setup right away https://i.redd.it/tenqgyjj0yj61.png [00:25] android has nothing to do with the linux version [00:25] ask in the elementary os channel :-P [00:25] Could you make a PWA using copy.sh/v86 to run debian packages in the browser? [00:25] The dock was hidden in that screenshot sadly.. [00:26] ElementaryOS has that, too. [00:27] hello-smile: ElementaryOS doesn't have shortcut keys that don't trip all over themselves when using the terminal. [00:27] How does the Ubuntu for WSL software work [00:27] If you don't like ElementaryOs's terminal, install the one from Ubuntu. [00:28] hello-smile: WSL1 used a linux subsystem of the NT kernel; WSL2 uses a virtualized environment with some drivers of some sort to bridge you through to windows [00:28] hello-smile: WSL1 uses kernel level translation layers, WSL2 uses Hyper-V and is closer to native linux than even WSL1. Either performs pretty well but I/O is faster under WSL2 at the penalty of using up VT and making other vendors VM tech like Virtualbox and Vmware perform extremely poorly. My recommendation is stick with WSL1 if you are going to do anything with VMs. [00:29] better ask: what have you found sofar? [00:29] hello-smile: while it's impressive what it can do, I think it's not able to run a systemd init session, so it's going to be limited in how much functionality WSL can give you [00:29] lolz [00:29] Huh. [00:29] hello-smile: All the network interface is more complicated on WSL2.. things get passed through a bit easier under WSL1. [00:29] Could you make the opposite, a Windows subsystem for Linux? [00:30] sarnold: Works well enough to run xfce4 in either WSL1 or WSL2 [00:30] gbit86: wow [00:30] that is called wine === jiqiren2345 is now known as jiqiren [00:30] hello-smile: Wine [00:30] Does that have kernel-level emulation? [00:31] Could any of you get Ubuntu 20 running in https://copy.sh/v86 ? The maintainers can't figure it out. [00:31] hello-smile: If you think Linus is going to merge code specifically for Windows in the Kernel.. then I feel like you don't know Linus lol. [00:32] I know. That would be pointless. [00:32] not in that list=no [00:32] hello-smile: Linux handles VT fine - there's not much reason to try and integrate Windows further into Linux. [00:32] How do you feel about Chromium OS? [00:33] offtopicc here, hello-smile [00:33] this is ubuntu technical support, not the poll channel [00:33] Well, #linux isn't accepting visitors. [00:34] They were earlier as long as you register your email. [00:34] Let's continue on #linux-notregistered. [00:34] See? If you block me, I'll make my own. [00:34] Is it that hard to use email? [00:34] Yes. I am not giving my email yet. [00:35] Can you join it? [00:35] not an ubunu issue [00:35] hello-smile: back to your first question though, is Ubuntu good for education, it definitely is, are there specific things you are wondering about in that respect? [00:35] No lol. [00:36] docaedo I just am curious. [00:37] hello-smile: So far, I see a lot of offtopic stuff, but no actual technical questions about Ubuntu itself. [00:37] This room is specifically for Ubuntu support, not for....whatever one calls the rest of that. [00:37] Can we discuss the offtopic things on #linux-notregistered? [00:38] hello-smile: That's up to that room. [00:38] I created it. [00:38] Then you're welcome to discuss it with whomever is over there. [00:38] Does anyone here use VMware Ubuntu inside Windows? Wondering about why one needs to turn off spectre mitigations and if that is a ubuntu thing or vmware thing [00:39] There's nobody. Can you discuss it with me in it? [00:39] actually I just remembered it is a vmware thing, so never mind [00:39] hello-smile: Regardless of how much you want social conversation, it's off-topic for this room. [00:39] See the /topic here [00:40] Hi. A while ago I bought a new Dell XPS 13 that came pre-installed with Ubuntu 20.04. At this point 20.10 had already been released, so I immediately upgraded to it ... except that it failed. And I didn't have time to debug it at the time, but I am trying to finally do so now. Running do-release-upgrade produces the output [00:40] https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RhRThQyHD7/ /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log seems too long to easily paste here, but there are no lines that seem to be documenting an error. I'm really at my wit's end here. Any suggestions? [00:40] winlundn, why vmware, there is kvm in the kernel [00:41] Following some advice I found in a forum post I purged and reinstalled snapd, which doesn't seem to have made any difference. [00:41] oerheks: I use VMware on Windows for Linux vms [00:41] oh, windows as host [00:41] CMH4Guest: the pastebinit tool can make it easier to paste longer things -- how large is that main.log ? [00:42] sarnold: chad@cliff:~$ cat /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log | wc [00:42] 126 3375 46167 [00:43] CMH4Guest: oh yeah, most pastebin sites should be able to handle that, try installing pastebinit, then pastebinit /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log [00:44] sarnold: cool! https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QrZ7hNzMTR/ [00:44] let's see.. [00:46] CMH4Guest: so, I *think* this failure means that the previous upgrade attempt failed after it had changed the /etc/apt/sources.list lines to refer to groovy -- and for some reason it left those in place [00:46] CMH4Guest: there's no obvious error message here, I'm guessing from the "is already set to new dist" bits [00:47] CMH4Guest: maybe this means apt update and apt upgrades since then have made a mess of things, or maybe this means it's just slightly inconsistent [00:47] sarnold: Yes, my /etc/apt/source.list all refers to groovy. I've essentially been running 20.10 this whole time, but it still *thinks* I am running 20.04. The biggest problem with this is it won't offer me the ability to upgrade to 21.04. [00:48] oh dang, then it's the mess of things version? :( [00:48] sarnold: But I don't know how to convince it that I am running 20.10. I miss the days when upgrading meant nothing more than changing your sources.list and running apt dist-upgrade. [00:49] CMH4Guest: yeah, that was pretty simple in comparison [00:50] CMH4Guest: well, okay, your apt and python versions match groovy, not focal. try a do-release-upgrade -d ? if it offers hirsute, yay; if it offers impish, cancel it? [00:50] sarnold: this has inspired me to go back and look at the log file from my original upgrade, which thankfully still exists. It ends with the line `2021-03-05 21:29:16,691 ERROR got error from PostInstallScript ./xorg_fix_proprietary.py (g-exec-error-quark: Failed to execute child process “./xorg_fix_proprietary.py” (No such file or directory) [00:50] (8))` [00:51] sarnold: But at this point I'm not sure fixing that would even allow me to upgrade. I suppose I could manually change my sources back to focal, but I'm not sure what that might break. [00:54] CMH4Guest: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 holy moly ... there's a lot of upgrade failure bugs.. [00:55] sarnold: Indeed. I just noticed your suggestion with -d; I'll try that. [00:56] sarnold: `Upgrades to the development release are only available from the latest supported release.` [00:56] dang [00:56] CMH4Guest: what does /etc/lsb-release look like? [00:59] Refers to the new version: `DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu [00:59] DISTRIB_RELEASE=20.10 [00:59] DISTRIB_CODENAME=groovy [00:59] DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 20.10"` [00:59] argh :) [01:01] sarnold: So I guess what I'm really asking is what the system is looking at to convince itself that I am running 20.04, so that I can manually update that. [01:01] It obviously isn't looking at `/etc/lsb-release` or at `/etc/apt/sources.list`. [01:02] CMH4Guest: okay.. this next guess is a big one .. there's a /usr/lib/ubuntu-release-upgrader/do-partial-upgrade that will run a function that I have hope might be able to help. maybe. [01:02] def doPartialUpgrade(self): [01:02] " partial upgrade mode, useful for repairing " [01:04] sarnold: Good thought. That pops up a GUI app that runs for a second or two, creates another entry in /var/log/dist-upgrade/, ... and it's main.log looks the same as the ones from when I do normal upgrades. [01:05] sarnold: I don't suppose this apt.log from the upgrade indicates a problem to you? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Zv8chvQ4wk/ [01:05] CMH4Guest: argh. :( okay, next guess is a lot more digging... you couldinstall bpfcc-tools and run the opensnoop-bpfcc program to see all the files that are opened by the thing [01:06] sarnold: OK, I'll make a note to do that when I have some time to figure it out. Thanks for all of your help! [01:06] CMH4Guest: these things have always been basically unreadable for me, heh. [01:06] CMH4Guest: good luck :) [02:54] Is there a way to get /dev/uinput to write to something other than DISPLAY=:0? I am seeing that it appears like it only wants to write to DISPLAY 0? I have a Desktop on DISPLAY 10 as well and would love to redirect there.. [02:55] that question doesn't match with my understanding of device nodes [02:56] processes are responsible for reading, writing, and doing ioctls, on the device nodes [02:56] whatever processes is involved in doing those operations with that device will need some instruction, so that eg the X server running 0 doesn't use it, but the one running 10 does [02:57] Hello Libera ! === gr33n7001 is now known as gr33n7007h [02:58] oh nice, some decent docs even https://sources.debian.org/src/linux/5.10.38-1/Documentation/input/uinput.rst/?hl=198#L198 [02:58] hello thyriaen [02:59] i have extended my .profile in my home directory to include "setxkbmap -option caps:escape" -- to my understanding .profile executes when my shell starts .. however it does not change my keybindings .. i have an export PATH command in there too, which does work -- now i wonder what i did wrong . the command does what i want it to when i enter it manually in my terminal [03:03] thyriaen: that is not a good place to put that command; it changes your X11 settings, not your shell children, so starting it in login shells is not very useful thing to do [03:04] thyriaen: it would be much better to stick that command in something that is run when X11 is started. I use ~/.xsession for this, but you may need to use something else depending upon what your X11 startup looks like [03:04] sarnold, i use ubuntus default gnome shell [03:04] sarnold, i thought .profile is run when the shell starts up [03:05] thyriaen: it's run when login shells are started, yes, but you may never get one when your system is starting ujp [03:05] thyriaen: so it would swap things around when you ssh in with X11 forwarding turned on, or if your terminal emulator starts login shells for some reason [03:06] sarnold, whats a login shell ? like tty3 ? [03:06] thyriaen: yes, or when you ssh in, it will start bash as a login shell as well [03:06] sarnold, ahhh that makes sense :p thanks [03:06] thyriaen: it depends upon whatever process is spawning the shell, and how it does so [03:07] it doesn't strictly mean "logging in", but .. that's the conventions we've got [03:07] so .bashrc executes with terminal emulators too tho ? [03:08] yes, it should [03:08] sarnold, when does .xinitrc run ? [03:08] but *please* don't use that for this command, it's also the wrong place to put it ;) [03:09] thyriaen: when you start X using the startx command [03:09] sarnold, yes, i understand just making sure i get the complete picture [03:09] cool cool [03:10] sarnold, could i put autostart applications in .xsession too ? [03:12] thyriaen: that's what I use, but I use i3wm; I don't know if it would work well with the default gnome install or not [03:15] sarnold, i have been looking to use i3wm but i like the ubuntu base and i really dont wanna go through setting up mouse, bluetooh, wifi with nmcli and such but rather use gnome-settings -- do you know a good approach for that ? [03:16] thyriaen: there's an nm-applet that makes that a bit more useful [03:17] thyriaen: I'm less sure aboutthe other things; I've changed some of my pointer configuration using xinput, bluetooth is just horrible and I hate every part of it it https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tgSGsWzz8h/ [03:18] sarnold, yea exactly, i don't want to get into all that - id rather just have it all already setup like in ubuntu but i would prefer a tiling window manager over gnome [03:19] thyriaen: hmm, I think I saw something the other day, to make the gnome shell try to pretend to be a tiling window manager.. [03:20] https://itsfoss.com/paperwm/ [03:20] yea, its nice but not really that great [03:20] i currently feel in between worlds [03:20] not really keyboard optimized but not really gui oriented either :p [03:21] sarnold, probably going to linger here for a few years till i feel comfortable to move to i3 :p [03:22] thyriaen: heh, maybe hthere will be something more your taste by then :) [03:23] maybe :p [03:24] sarnold, one question about i3 are there stacked windows ? [03:24] thyriaen: what do you mean by stacked windows? [03:25] sarnold, kinda like tabs [03:25] thyriaen: yeah, it's got those [03:26] sarnold, my current flow is that i have cut my screen i half and those halfs have stacked windows in each so its very nice to switch between, and new windows get tiled into those [03:27] sarnold, i really love it and wonder if i3 can do that too [03:28] thyriaen: hmm, on the left half of desktop 1 I've got irssi and mattermost stacked like that, and when that half of the screen is focessed, opening a new terminal will stuff it in that stack, just as you said [03:28] thyriaen: the right half of this desktop is firefox, and only firefox, and opening something else will re-arrange the desktop into thirds... [03:29] I don't know if it's possible to make a new container for firefox that would force it to stay in halfs or not.. it probably is, but I don't know how [03:30] sarnold, okay [03:31] sarnold, here this how i have it stack currently: https://pasteboard.co/K3Vp7VZ.png [03:32] sarnold, i rarely like smaller windows than 2 halfs [03:36] sarnold, oh i have another question does apt-add-repository --remove does something else than removing the file from etc/apt/sources.list.d ? [03:38] thyriaen: I find two halfs pretty pleasing, three gets a bit difficult to navigate [03:38] sarnold, yea exactly [03:39] thyriaen: I sometimes put two or three terminals in that half, above each other, so I could have two or three visible at once, just less scrollback in each [03:39] thyriaen: I think add-apt-respostiroy --remove will also remove gpg key for the repository [03:40] Hi all. I'm running Ubuntu 20.04 and have run into an annoying issue that 3 hours of google-fu hasn't lead me to a solution for. I'm trying to downgrade fontconfig from 2.13.xx to 2.12.xx as 2.13 seems to be very broken / changed a lot resulting in a lot of "Fontconfig Error" and "Fontconfig Warning" messages when trying to launch some [03:40] applications. Any tips? [03:40] Dragostini: I'm afraid you're pretty firmly in "you get to keep both pieces" territory there [03:41] sarnold get to keep both pieces, meaning I can't downgrade? X_X [03:41] sarnold, do you mind helping me with some strange bug i have difficulty explaining ? :p [03:42] Dragostini: you could try using the ABI explorer tool to see how compatible the ABIs are between the two packages, but that doesn't sound fun to me [03:42] thyriaen: I'm about to bail for the night to get some dinner.. just how difficult is it? heh [03:42] It doesn't to me either. So what are my options? Distro change (maybe arch would be better?) or an older Ubuntu mayhaps? [03:43] Dragostini: bionic used a 2.12.6, if you want to install bionic and test it out.. [03:43] Worth a shot. Let's see how much of my system breaks from dirty installing it with my current home folder XD [03:43] Thanks sarnold [03:43] or you could upgrade through groovy to hirsute, that uses a 2.13.1-4 instead of 2.13.1-2 package.. [03:43] Hmm [03:44] Odds of that being broken / messed up too? :p [03:44] Dragostini: it might also be worth filing a bug report, maybe it's a bug that someone else would benefit from having fixed [03:44] i am using a usbc hub / ethernet adapter and since i am using it i can random shutdowns of my LAN - rebooting solves the issue but it hangs during shutdown - with a looping error message i made a picture of, found a kenerl error page for it, delted my picture and lost the kernel page - any ideas what to look for ? :p [03:44] Dragostini: ubuntu-bug fontconfig will probably get you tot he right place, you could then upload your config, show what results you got elsewhere, what's broken, etc.. [03:45] thanks sarnold. I'll try the update first before I wipe everything >.> === marathon_ is now known as marathon [03:46] thyriaen: check firefox history for bugzilla.kernel.org urls and see if any of those look like what you remember, maybe? [03:46] sarnold, sadly none are there :/ [03:47] sarnold, ! ah i might have looked at bugzilla on my phone [03:47] thyriaen: maybe... firefox seems a million times better at storing urls I've visited than chrome on my phone.. [03:48] sarnold, i have firefox on my phone [03:48] sarnold, sadly there is no search function in history [03:48] thyriaen: argh :( [03:48] the things we can get used to and expect on desktop tools that just don't exist on mobile. sigh. [03:48] found it ! [03:49] yay :D [03:49] let me give you the link maybe you can make heads and tails of it [03:49] sarnold, https://pasteboard.co/K3Vp7VZ.png [03:49] can i just say [03:49] thyriaen: that's your desktop again [03:49] i absolutely love irc [03:50] whoops [03:50] right? :) [03:50] https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198931 [03:50] bugzilla.kernel.org bug 198931 in Drivers "Network connection on r8152 stops with 'Tx status -71'" [Normal, New] [03:50] sarnold, its the exactly right amount of socializing i feel comfortable with :p and the interface is simply put brilliant [03:51] thyriaen: heh, comment #16 has a list of links, and my firefox shows I've already visited the askubuntu one.. [03:52] sarnold, heh :[ [03:53] sarnold, those issues are ancient 3 years old on 4.13 [03:54] sarnold, i feel like i dont really know what to follow up on with this problem [03:54] thyriaen: there's so much sadness in that bug report :( [03:54] thyriaen: if it were me I'd be tempted to try to find a different nic entirely [03:54] thyriaen: granted they're all terrible [03:55] thyriaen: but I'm getting an 'unlikely to be fixed' kind of feeling from this [03:56] thyriaen: okay, I'm headed out; good luck :) [04:00] sarnold, "thyriaen: there's so much sadness in that bug report :(" Oh wow xD [04:00] sarnold, thanks [04:00] sarnold, what is a nic tho ? === marathon is now known as marathon_ [04:18] thyriaen, network interface card [04:19] slingamn, okay thanks [04:29] can you help me understand https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=200977#c35 and how i can reproduce its results ? [04:29] bugzilla.kernel.org bug 200977 in Drivers "Daily crash with r8152 driver requiring reboot" [High, New] [05:02] @mkultra - Although the silence is still deafening... :-D === erica is now known as birb [05:02] whats up fam? [05:04] i recently took my funtoo root squashfs image and stuck it into a ubuntu live cd, it booted but my network manager isnt working on it. help me plz #fun-bun-too [05:20] mkultra: try using the vanilla stock LiveUSB/LiveDVD, the point of failure is that you introduced the problem when you introduced something foreign, and or non native ...point of failure is what you introduced [05:22] yeah the vanilla usb runs great, im just wondering where i can just kinda feed a arbitrary file like that and have it work. i got it to boot uefi and bios mode good. that part was fixed fine =) [05:37] Hi. I am using readline to alter the cursor shape accordingly to vi-mode in bash. However when I ssh unto a server, I get stuck with the insert mode cursor shape. That is kind of unfortunate as I have problems seeing it when I'm inside vim. How can I change my cursor to a block shape, depending for example on the ssh connection being currently active? [05:49] When you use the default folder options for sharing, is it using samba or nfs? [05:49] Might be DAV [05:55] It seems like it's meant to work out-of-the-box, but in my experience it (still) doesn't - the ability to share a folder on the network from one Ubuntu (20.04) system to another via the default file manager (nautilus). [05:55] https://gbaldraw.fun/canvas?room= === [1]Nintendo1889 is now known as Nintendo1889 [06:06] It's incredibly confusing because these folder share options are available in the filer manager, and yet most online documentation points to fiddling around with smb.conf in order to get file/folder sharing to work. [06:07] Aren't we finally out of the era where editing configs is no longer necessary to get a folder to be shared over the network!? [06:07] I think it's a reasonable assumption that a Linux server is usually not going to have a GUI, so smb.conf remains the only way there [06:08] but yeah, this is a frustrating experience [06:08] mgedmin: I'm not talking about a Linux server ... obviously ... because I am talking about a file manager (nautilus) [06:08] I think I tried the nautilus usershare feature once, and it failed because I didn't have some apt package installed [06:09] but nautilus did not give me a clear error message about that (or suggest that I install the package) [06:09] it was a long time ago and I forgot the details :/ [06:10] mgedmin: I remember having this kind of problem back in 2005 ... it's really hard to believe that this hasn't been solved once and for all 15 years later :/ [06:10] things don't get solved if nobody steps up to solve them :/ [06:11] Oddly the GUI options in Nautilus change, giving you the impression that there is progress being made ... but functionally it seems just as dis-functional as ever. [06:12] there's currently a bug where I can connect to a server over sftp:// in nautilus from Other Locations and it works fine, but if I instead use the location entry (ctrl+l) to enter sftp://sameserver, then it fails [06:12] I haven't filed a bug yet, and I feel guilty about that [06:12] Ok, I tried to reach my NAS and this works. I can browse the shares. But trying to reach another Ubuntu PC results in the infamous "Unable to access location". [06:13] nah, I'm not going to bother with bug reports ... this stuff has not been working since at least a decade ... it's a known problem. One more bug report isn't going to make a difference. [06:14] that's what I mean when I say "nobody steps up to solve things" [06:14] most likely a bug report wouldn't be enough, you'd have to do deeper debugging, find the root cause, maybe even propose a fix upstream, then either wait or prepare a debdiff for a SRU [06:15] pretty sure that been done umpteen times over the years. [06:18] smbXcli_negprot_smb1_done: No compatible protocol selected by server. [06:18] that's the error spat out in syslog when trying to access the share from the other Ubuntu PC [06:18] smb1, is that the insecure protocol version nobody should be using? interesting [06:18] that's the default setup in Ubuntu 20.04/21.04 ... sooo .... [06:19] I didn't fiddle with any smb protocol [06:19] have you tried connecting with smbclient to try and figure out if the problem is nautilus on the client or samba on the server? [06:19] no I haven't [06:23] https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/pHJw7XQHjy/ [06:23] NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED [06:26] last time I had this specific error, turned out that the directory I was trying to export was not readable to the user that samba uses (nobody) [06:26] I had to make it and all the parent directories world-readable/accessible [06:26] zetheroo: recently windows 10 and Linux made changes for issues with SMB 1.0, if you need "legacy" 1.0 support you would need to allow it explicity and manually by hand [06:26] the fact that you can list shares means that at least samba is up and working [06:27] tatertots: I'm not doing anything fancy here - two Ubuntu laptops ... trying to share the Public folder from one to the other ... in both directions it doesn't work [06:27] zetheroo: with that having been said, if you need to share between machines, ideally you'd explicitly configure for this, deciding on a protocol and then subsequently configuring for that protocol [06:28] soooo ... the file manager GUI is essentially useless ... [06:28] oh hey ubuntu 21.04 has private user directories by default (i.e. /home/youruser is not world-readable), this could be relevant [06:29] drwxrwxrwx 3 eb eb 4096 Mai 28 07:21 Public/ [06:29] same on the 2nd laptop just with the user 'rescue' [06:30] but then again does samba's userdirs feature use 'nobody', or does it use your actual userid for accessing the files? [06:30] it would make sense to use the actual user [06:30] I am sharing the default 'Public' directory [06:30] I wonder if there are logs [06:30] :D [06:31] ... going to get a USB stick to transfer the file .. LOL [06:31] zetheroo: do you have ssh enabled between both computer "A" and "B"? [06:32] zetheroo: i understand your frustration of not having a clickity click thing that has given success over a long period of time [06:33] it's not even that - it's that this is presented in the GUI since many years and it almost never works. [06:33] Get it out of the GUI if it doesn't actually work! [06:33] it works under ideally circumstances [06:33] it probably worked for somebody at some point, so they left it in [06:33] ideal [06:34] the "connect to server" in the menu has been successful for me for a very long time [06:34] the difference is that i always "explicitly" configure and define my shares [06:35] sure, but that should be possible to do via a GUI simply and quickly, but having to dig through logs and hack config files etc ... ridiculous [06:36] it's worked for me successfully for multiple protocols, including but not limited to ssh/scp/smb/nfs [06:36] It's Ubuntu Desktop I am talking about ... not some minimalistic server install made for sysadmins [06:37] the old fashioned "sneaker net" method will be path of least resistance for some users for the foreseeable future [06:37] tatertots: what has 'worked'? Open file manager -> Share folder -> Open file manager on other Ubuntu PC -> Access shared folder .... that? === [1]Nintendo1889 is now known as Nintendo1889 === jonas_ is now known as blixten [06:49] If I have a server stuck on 16.10 and 18.10 with no Release files available to update, how do I dist-upgrade to 21.04? [06:49] txtsd: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades [06:50] or do a fresh install, that'll likely be faster [06:50] you may consider using LTS-versions for server in the future [06:50] 16.10 -> 17.04 -> 17.10 -> 18.04 -> 20.04 -> 20.10 -> 21.04 [06:51] each -> takes about an hour in my experience [06:52] so at leat 6h maintenance-window + fixing services - have fun [06:53] mgedmin: Thanks! === [1]Nintendo1889 is now known as Nintendo1889 [06:54] At the time I had to go with the latest OS to get new features of letsencrypt/certbot [06:55] I pip install the latest certbot in a virtualenv on 16.04/18.04/20.04 lts servers [06:55] well I got rid of my last 16.04 a few days ago [06:55] zetheroo: the work flow you described above isn't the work flow that i've used successfully for many years and iterations of Ubuntu...but if that is what is working for you that is a good thing you've found something you can be successful with [06:55] there's also a certbot ppa, I believe [06:56] the 16.04 lts server had to also use the deadsnakes ppa to get a non-ancient python 3 because certbot stopped working on 2.7 and 3.5 at some point [06:56] tatertots: no, that's what has almost never worked consistently for me since over a decade ... but it's presented in the file manager as functional (aka. no informational messages stating otherwise) [06:58] I'm now wodering how much I should charge my clients to have me dist-upgrade. [06:59] zetheroo: thanks for clarifying, I've successfully used that %50 of that from the client computer AFTER i've defined and configured a sharing strategy (which isn't a terminal shy operation and that's why i use the term "explicitly") [07:00] zetheroo: but in your circumstance avoiding the terminal "sysadmin" stuff is very important for you [07:01] a shiny feature that pretends to work is annoying, I agree completely with zetheroo's point here [07:02] zetheroo: i've had great success using the GUI "connect to server" thing in the file manager menu, AFTER i've explicitly defined and configured sharing..for me it's always just worked [07:05] i agree and empathize with zetheroo also....although it was never "shiny" from my POV/perspective ...cute and convenience..but it never looked "shiny" [07:05] tatertots: I get that using a GUI to perform a function which one has previously setup via editing configs would work. However we are in 2021 and file sharing on the PC has been around since yonks ... without!!! needing to edit config files to get it to work! [07:07] Ubuntu is a step backwards in this regard. Quite a large step backwards in fact - they cannot even sort out a user-friendly way to share files between two Ubuntu PCs ... never mind cross-OS file sharing. [07:09] sharing files is a hard problem [07:09] in this commend there is a fix suggested id use - can someone explain to me how theses udev rules are run and what i need to do ? and what is this attribute power/control or why is TEST==power/control ? https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=200977#c35 [07:09] is it really? :D [07:09] bugzilla.kernel.org bug 200977 in Drivers "Daily crash with r8152 driver requiring reboot" [High, New] [07:10] mgedmin, it is probably NP-hard [07:10] https://xkcd.com/949/ [07:11] mgedmin, we all know that [07:11] zetheroo, have you tried magic wormhole ? [07:11] LOL ... nope ... [07:12] I use magic-wormhole to share OpenVPN certificates between my OVPN server and my android phone [07:12] i love it [07:12] it even has a nice desktop integration [07:12] it's incredibly inconvenient (install termux, pip install magic-wormhole, wait 30 minutes for it to compile a bunch of crypto code on the phone), but the least inconvenient method I've found [07:13] yes very inconvenient [07:14] i have moved to setting up local "syncthing" to all my devices [07:14] then i have a directory on all devices where i can put things in or click "share" on my phone [07:15] its quite nice to always have things everywhere - however only works for your own stuff not if you wanna share a file to someone you dont know [07:20] for sharing with people you don't know, there's still bit torrent :) [07:59] I've pinned a program to my launcher. How can I see what command it runs? [08:20] The documentation for SSSD (https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-sssd) shows the sssd.conf as having the line 'services = nss, pam' however this line does not exist in a clean install of 21.04 and clean install and setup of SSSD. [08:21] makara: figure out the name of the desktop file (dconf-editor, or dconf dump /org/gnome/shell/ or gsettings get org.gnome.shell favorite-apps), then find the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications (or ~/.local/share/applications etc.), then look for the Exec= line inside it [08:21] although I think some .desktop files are dbus-activated so the key would be different [08:21] (and you'd have to find the dbus service file to figure out the command name) [08:23] mgedmin: thanks [08:23] makara: if it's from the default ubuntu repo, it'll likely be in /usr/share/applications ( the desktop files) [08:24] oh nevermind, didnt read above [08:25] additionally when performing 'sudo login' the output is not 'ad-client login:' as shown in the documentation, but merely 'hostname login:' [08:31] zetheroo1: sssd is in no way related nor will it aid you in your desires to achieve simplistic GUI only file sharing between two hosts [08:32] zetheroo1: if you are operating under the impression that it would have aided you in file sharing...you went down the wrong rabbit hole [08:32] tatertots: different topic entirely ... nothing to do with the previously discussed issue with file sharing ;) [08:32] Just another official documentation which doesn't pan out :/ [08:33] zetheroo1: what issue are you having specifically in relation to sssd?. [08:34] tatertots: I mentioned it above [08:34] config missing line which is in the docu, and 'sudo login' not showing what is in docu and cannot login with AD user. [08:35] zetheroo1: that sssd configuration does not exist after a vannilla install?...that's expected and not a "real" issue [08:35] again, the sssd.conf is there, however the mentioned line is not [08:36] zetheroo1: are you actually in a ADDS environment?...if yes you'll need to ask the aid of your system administrator more than likely...i say that based on what you've mentioned above and also previous file sharing conversation [08:36] I have no idea if the line should be added manually or if something else should be installed which will automatically add the line etc ... [08:36] tatertots: thanks, but this is not helpful ;) [08:37] SSSD can join the domain, so obviously I am in an AD env. [08:37] you won't be doing anything with sssd in a ADDS environment if you're not a domain admin (with the associated skill set...no offense) [08:38] I have admin access to the domain. [08:38] Again, SSSD joins the PC to the domain without issue. [08:38] That's not the issue. It's logging in as an AD user on the PC ... again... according to the docu [08:41] for some reason the command 'sudo login' is not using 'ad-client' as is shown in the docu [08:42] This is on a fresh install of 21.04 [08:44] zetheroo1: try saying something like "I have successfully joined the PC to the domain BUT i cannot log in with a AD user account" [08:44] zetheroo1: if your problem is not technical but merely a problem with some document...maybe the "author" will "revise" the document in the future [08:45] its a technical problem - as I said ... I cannot login as an AD user according to the documented method [08:46] zetheroo1: If the documented method no longer works then it is as likely to be an issue with the documentation as it is to be with the technical systems. [08:49] hi folks [08:50] I'm running a 20.04 install where I'm using starship.rs to get some extra info on my terminal prompt. A couple of days ago, my system started displaying the wrong unicode character for python projects. Instead of a snake, it now seems to be rendering a horse [08:51] another user recently complained that the Noto Color Emoji font has emojis mixed up and displays a thumbs-down instead of thumbs-up [08:51] I'm pretty sure starship is still doing the right thing, because if I copy the prompt and paste it elsewhere (e.g. a browser for writing a bug report), the snake will render fine [08:51] oh, ok, that'd do it [08:51] you could try downgrading fonts-noto-color-emoji to the version in focal rather than the version in focal-updates [08:51] see if that helps [08:52] and be sure to file a bug [08:52] I see the other user hasn't filed one: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fonts-noto-color-emoji/+bugs [08:55] yeah, I was just looking at that as well. the May 25 release of an update sure looks like it might coincide with what I'm seeing [08:55] now I just need to remember my Launchpad login details. [08:58] kai: That's what the "Forgot password" link is for. Except when you can't remember the email used to register the account. :) [08:58] ah, looking at the characters horse and snake are adjacent [08:58] snake is U+1F40D, and horse is U+1F40E [08:59] ah... classic off-by-one error? :) [08:59] BlueEagle: turns out my password manager did remember both, I just forgot there wasn't a dedicated "launchpad" account anymore [09:00] cbreak: I'm just about to paste some things into the terminal to check [09:00] kai: Temporary fix could also be to change the character to U+1F40C or F until the font is fixed. If you only use it in one place then it might be easier to do that in stead of downgrading? [09:01] yeah, I should be able to configure that, good point [09:01]