[01:54] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[06:08] <ducasse> good morning
[20:04] <Bashing-om> UWN: Issue 685 is on the streets: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue685 :D
[20:06] <ogra> 👍
[22:26] <jeremy31> tomreyn: We have been trying to help anna for the better part of the day.  I do not know how old her laptop is but mine will display BIOS menu and grub perfectly on an external monitor.  It might be safe to have her add video=LVDS-1:d to the grub command line since that is apparently broke but it might just be the backlight that is broken since xrandr returns info on it
[22:29] <tomreyn> jeremy31: oh so you saw xrandr output? and i agree, trying to get bios output on the second screen and trying to disable the primary screen there might be wothwhile. though chances are there wont be an option for that.
[22:29] <tomreyn> broken backlight or broken panel really boils down to the same for most people, though
[22:30] <tomreyn> since you asked about age, this thing has a modem and ps/2 port
[22:30] <jeremy31> tomreyn: I will look to see if I can find that in browser history
[22:31] <tomreyn> it's actually pretty modular / servicable with a sturdy case. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOgYRKTIY4s
[22:31] <daftykins> suggested the torch trick presumably, if there is a dead backlight?
[22:33] <daftykins> lol modem, this is unlikely to be worthy of remaining in use
[22:33] <jeremy31> tomreyn: I think this is it http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jx5SWPfjkC/
[22:36] <tomreyn> jeremy31: ah, so i guess she needs     xrandr --output LVDS1 --off --output VGA1 --auto
[22:37] <tomreyn> i'm surprised there are no dashes between "LVDS" and "1" and "VGA" and "1"
[22:39] <jeremy31> tomreyn: dashes are needed for grub entry
[22:40] <tomreyn> jeremy31: you mean generally for grub, or on Anna's computer?
[22:40] <jeremy31> I was able to disable my laptop monitor with video=eDP-1:d
[22:41] <jeremy31> for anna it would need video-LVDS-1:d
[22:41] <jeremy31> video=
[22:41] <tomreyn> i think anna said she can't edit grub from this computer, right?
[22:41] <tomreyn> not during boot anyways
[22:41] <jeremy31> Not from boot as she can't read anything
[22:42] <tomreyn> right
[22:42] <jeremy31> I doubt there is any way someone could edit the grub at boot blind
[22:44] <daftykins> so, no to the torch method to confirm something is still displayed, just the backlight failure? would sooner just detach the display, but if this is a Pentium 4 then it's time to let it go
[22:44] <daftykins> (assuming the youtube link was an accurate match)
[22:47] <jeremyb> It seems irccloud is having issues so I missed anything in the past 5 minutes
[22:52] <daftykins> i was curious if you had this user try the torch trick to confirm the dead backlight?
[22:53] <jeremyb> probably can't afford a torch
[22:55] <daftykins> is this the presumed excuse for keeping such a lemon going as well?
[22:56] <jeremy31> Likely
[22:58] <daftykins> well if insisting on enabling such a situation, which is pretty bad imo... suggesting detaching the LCD internally would be more productive
[23:02] <jeremy31> daftykins: I did make that suggestion