[00:08] <jsilver> join the video chat https://gbaldraw.fun/canvas?room=
[00:09] <oerheks> jsilver, please don spam in here, thanks.
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[00:12] <tomreyn> jsilver: it's not an ubuntu support question or answer, it's a URL pointing elsewhere. it's spam.
[00:12] <Anna_> tomreyn: can you please tell me whether the tab button can replace the cursor on that page? And if yes, how many times should I press it to get the "try" option? please please please?
[00:13] <tomreyn> Anna_: you press tab once. which computer are you currently using there?
[00:14] <Anna_> i don't understand the question. i have only 1 computer, that old toshiba laptop
[00:14] <tomreyn> you are chatting with us. are you chatting from this old toshiba computer?
[00:16] <Anna_> yes, I'm logged in the installed ubuntu mate 16.04, seeing everything from the external monitor by using xrandr command first and then display settings to save the 800x600 preference.
[00:16] <Anna_> why?
[00:17] <tomreyn> ah i was just wondering how you made that usable, or whether you were actually chatting from another computer like a tab or mobile phone.
[00:17] <Anna_> I wish
[00:19] <Anna_> isn't tab button going to affect the kanguage menu? It seems like being first in order
[00:20] <Anna_> language*
[00:21] <tomreyn> english language and keyboard layout is pre-selected. if you hit tab there you activate the "try now" button. pressing enter will start the live system
[00:22] <Anna_> great! I'll do that
[00:22] <tomreyn> i don't really see how it'll help. it may be better to just press ctrl-alt-t to spawn a terminal
[00:23] <Anna_> by doing exactly the same as with the installed distro
[00:23] <tomreyn> you can then type the xrandr command:  xrandr --output LVDS1 --off --output VGA1 --auto
[00:25] <Anna_> I tried that. oh wait... new command suggestion...
[00:25] <tomreyn> or    xrandr --output LVDS1 --off --output VGA1 --size 800x600
[00:25] <tomreyn> for the fixed resolution
[00:26] <Anna_> first of all, the terminal on xubuntu opens with super+T. not important, just saying
[00:27] <tomreyn> ah, maybe this worked differently here for some reason such as localization or virtualization
[00:27] <tomreyn> yet another thing you could try is to boot from the installer until you see this icon early on during boot, on the bottom of the screen https://i.imgur.com/ixwFol4.png
[00:28] <tomreyn> then immediately do this: press space, escape, F6, escape, backspace, backspace, backspace, backspace, space, type this: video=LVDS-1:d   ...and press enter
[00:29] <tomreyn> this assumes a US-EN keyboard mapping, though.
[00:29] <tomreyn> i do not know how to enter : on a greek keyboard.
[00:30] <tomreyn> all other characters should be the same there
[00:31] <tomreyn> good luck, hope you can make some progress.
[00:31] <Anna_> to finish what I had to say, after I opened the terminal, I was suggested to use the "xrandr --output LVDS1 --off; xrandr --output VGA1 --mode 1024x768" double command, which didn't work (of course) since the external cannot support this, despite the fact the vbeinfo was saying otherwise...
[00:32]  * tomreyn zzz
[00:32] <oerheks> " I was suggested to use "... no, use 800x600 ...
[00:32] <Anna_> now the icon you mention is clearly visible.... reading you...
[00:33] <Anna_> I don't need a greek keyboard
[00:33] <Anna_> at least during installation
[00:36] <Anna_> okay, so I have at least 3 new methods to try. the tab button, the sequence while that icon is there and what oerheks said, which I don't know why I didn't think on my own to try
[00:37] <Anna_> thank you oerheks and goodnight tomreyn if you haven't slept yet
[00:37] <oerheks> tv in livingroom?
[00:38] <Anna_> no!! i told you! I never had a TV set. Why should I? movies and news always from internet for me
[00:38] <raub> Trying to find out which firewall is running in a given host. systemd is running but not firewalld. Nor ufw or iptables. And yet iptables -L shows rules
[00:39] <oerheks> ufw status # sudo ufw enable # sudo ufw allow port and more..
[00:41] <raub> oerheks: ps -ef|grep ufw shows nothing
[00:41] <raub> and so does which ufw
[00:41] <oerheks> oke, then you have solely iptables
[00:42] <raub> oerheks: if that was the case, shouldn't its process be listed?
[00:44] <oerheks> iptables itselve is not a service running, afaik, and yes, you would have these top rules as basic https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo
[00:45] <Anna_> I just realzed that little man icon is for universal access! Why no one thought of that before!
[00:46] <oerheks> one can install firewalld, tons of manuals out there https://www.admfactory.com/install-and-use-firewalld-on-ubuntu/
[00:50] <raub> oerheks: installing firewalld or ufw does not answer what is running
[00:50] <oerheks> just iptables, obviously
[00:50] <oerheks> not ufw depending on it
[00:51] <tomreyn> Anna_: this free test system boot a little different than your computer, and only has one monitor. but you can experiment with the graphical interface there, it should be identical (despite being ubuntu 20.10) to xubuntu 20.04: https://distrotest.net/Xubuntu/20.10
[00:51] <tomreyn> really gone now. ;)
[00:51] <raub> But someone must be starting it. I found saved rules in /etc/iptables/ but they are from 2016 and do not completely match what is running.
[00:52] <onryo> so what happened with freenode?
[00:53] <oerheks> raub, not in /etc/iptables.rules ?
[00:53] <raub> nope
[00:54] <oerheks> what else could be running, pfsense?
[00:54] <raub> That is my original question
[00:57] <dcn> onryo, check out this Hacker News thread, it has some context: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27288613
[00:57] <onryo> thx
[00:57] <oerheks> nft list ruleset
[00:58] <Anna_> online emulator ?! wow... seems tomreyn was determined to impress me at the end
[00:58] <oerheks> if not, then i wonder what service that server is running, maybe that is holding /controlling firewall rules
[00:59] <IvoCavalcante> Shorewall, maybe?
[00:59] <IvoCavalcante> not really a service, but a iptables framework
[01:24] <illuminated> so
[01:25] <illuminated> ping has an exit code of 0 on successful ping
[01:25] <illuminated> or 1 otherwise
[01:25] <illuminated> if you have a mix of successful and unsuccessful pings, which exit status gets output?
[01:27] <oerheks> illuminated, what do you read in the last 2 lines?
[01:27] <oerheks> ping -c 4 ubuntu.com
[01:28] <illuminated> well all those are successful
[01:28] <illuminated> I should explain what I'm doing
[01:28] <illuminated> I'm writing a script that tests my NAS connection before syncing to it
[01:28] <illuminated> but my nas goes into power save mode
[01:28] <illuminated> and usually the first few pings fail
[01:28] <illuminated> but after that they succeed
[01:29] <illuminated> but a google sorted me out I think
[01:29] <oerheks> nas does not support WOL ?
[01:29] <illuminated> not sure
[01:29] <illuminated> never used it if it does
[01:33] <IvoCavalcante> illuminated, maybe ping -w ?
[01:34] <IvoCavalcante> ping -w <timeout> -c 1 my.nas.server
[01:35] <illuminated> what does ping -w do?
[01:36] <illuminated> is it the same as ping -i
[01:36] <illuminated> ?
[01:36] <IvoCavalcante> no
[01:36] <illuminated> what does it do?
[01:36] <illuminated> that option isn't specified in the man
[01:36] <illuminated> for ping
[01:37] <IvoCavalcante> -w waits for either timeout expiration, or a successful reply, or another network error
[01:37] <IvoCavalcante> it is in man, indeed
[01:37] <IvoCavalcante> looking at it right now
[01:37] <IvoCavalcante> :)
[01:38] <illuminated> you must be looking at a different man than I am
[01:38] <illuminated> cuz I don't see it
[01:38] <illuminated> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS"
[01:39] <illuminated> maybe you've got a newer manpage?
[01:39] <IvoCavalcante> maybe
[01:39] <IvoCavalcante> 20.04
[01:39] <illuminated> yeah I'd say that's it
[01:39] <illuminated> I've combed over this man page a dozen times and don't see it
[01:39] <IvoCavalcante> hum
[01:39] <illuminated> though, the option does exist
[01:39] <IvoCavalcante> then I rest my case
[01:40] <IvoCavalcante> :/
[01:40] <illuminated> it was asking for a parameter to it
[01:40] <IvoCavalcante> sorry
[01:40] <illuminated> that's ok
[01:40] <illuminated> not your fault
[01:41] <Bright> file:///home/cao/Pictures/2021-06-01.jpg
[01:41] <Bright>  Test uploading images
[01:41] <Bright> sorry
[01:41] <IvoCavalcante> fping might be worth a try
[01:41] <IvoCavalcante> lots of options too
[01:41] <illuminated> anyway thanks
[01:41] <illuminated> oh
[01:42] <illuminated> hmm.. not heard of fping
[01:42] <illuminated> let me see what that is/does
[01:42] <IvoCavalcante> ping on steroids
[01:42] <IvoCavalcante> :)
[02:11] <Ginalo> Hi. Related to my previous question: I'm using CarlaFX With Audacity to use some effects. Unfortunately, Carla's window is too large that I can't access the buttons at the window. My workaround is to increase the resolution beyond my monitor's max. Is there any other workaround for windows like this?
[02:15] <oerheks> alt f7 move window, alt F8 resize
[02:15] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/shell-windows-states.html.en
[02:23] <epicpupper> Hi there, I'm trying to run Ubuntu Server 20.04 on my Raspberry Pi 4, but it won't let me log in with the default username and password "ubuntu".
[02:23] <epicpupper> I've tried switching to Ethernet, rebooting and waiting 10 minutes.
[02:28] <leftyfb> epicpupper: on the console or over ssh? I'm pretty sure ssh isn't enabled/installed by default
[02:32] <leftyfb> epicpupper: on the console or over ssh? I'm pretty sure ssh isn't enabled/installed by default
[02:32] <epicpupper> on console
[02:32] <epicpupper> it's connected to a monitor and keyboard directly
[02:34] <epicpupper> leftyfb courtesy ping :)
[02:34] <leftyfb> epicpupper: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-your-raspberry-pi#4-boot-ubuntu-server
[02:34] <epicpupper> I am following that
[02:34] <epicpupper> Doesn't work
[02:35] <leftyfb> epicpupper: try reflashing and starting over. Boot it for the first time and wait until you see additional lines after the login prompt before typing anything
[02:38] <epicpupper> reflashing? okay I'll try that
[03:10] <epicpupper> leftyfb refreshed but it's stuck
[03:10] <epicpupper> *reflashed
[03:11] <epicpupper> still at cloud init
[03:12] <oerheks> see the warning, it takes a minute or two .. https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-install-ubuntu-on-your-raspberry-pi#4-boot-ubuntu-server
[03:12] <oerheks> ' You’ll know it’s done when it outputs some more lines after the log-in prompt has appeared.'
[03:13] <epicpupper> oerheks oh, trust me, I've been waiting for 15-30 minutes
[03:13] <epicpupper> no luck
[03:29] <epicpupper> nvm-fixed!
[05:01] <aiena> I have a kubuntu host and a ubunu 20.04 KVM guest. Now I have a huin graphic's table which I pass through to the guest the drivers in the guest pick up and use the graphic tab correctly but I have 2 mice now fighting for control in the VM
[05:02] <aiena> It shown up like this https://paste.opensuse.org/64246483 (the plus sign is the tablet pointer)
[05:02] <aiena> they are fighting with each other I can use the tablet for drawing on graphical app canvases but I cannot use it outside the cvanvas as the host mouse is fighting
[05:02] <aiena> any ideas how to solve this
[05:03] <aiena> removing spice-vdagent and capturing the mouse in the guest makes no difference
[05:03] <aiena> is it something with ubuntu 20.04?
[05:03] <aiena> didn't see this non virtualised
[05:05] <Ginalo> oerheks, Thanks! Moving the window  above the screen would suffice.
[07:05] <DarkTrick_> hm.. my system refuses to go into suspension mode...
[07:11] <DarkTrick_> Can someone tell me why? Here's my syslog: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3FtQ4477DR/
[07:12] <DarkTrick_> I guess I triggered suspension on line 3
[07:15] <BobbyJr> DarkTrick_: I cant see an obvious culprit, but I'd try disabling your wifi first and then trying to sleep. See if that has any effect.
[07:18] <DarkTrick_> BobbyJr, thank you for looking into it! Hm... Wifi has never been a problem, so far... How would I disable it? right click -> disable? Or just disconnect from network?
[07:20] <BobbyJr> DarkTrick_: Just turn off the wifi in settings, then try sleep.
[07:20] <DarkTrick_> And, do I btw have to care about these gazillion `Failed to push data into queue` messages from pulseaudio?
[07:21] <BobbyJr> I wouldnt worry about pulseaudio for the moment
[07:21] <BobbyJr> it shouldnt effect sleep either way
[07:24] <DarkTrick_> hm.. now, suspension works again; no matter if wifi on or off
[07:24] <DarkTrick_> But I came to feel like Microsoft Teams plays a role in this...
[07:26] <BobbyJr> what changed between the time it was working and the time it wasnt? Did you close any apps?
[07:27] <mgedmin> "Freezing of tasks failed after 20.004 seconds (5 tasks refusing to freeze, wq_busy=0)"!
[07:28] <DarkTrick_> I checked messesages in Teams (which removed the "alert" status of the app)
[07:28] <mgedmin> these are all in vfs_statx
[07:28] <DarkTrick_> After that it worked. For making sure I need to wait for another notification there
[07:28] <mgedmin> do you have any weird filesystems mounted?
[07:29] <mgedmin> "gvfsd[7695]: message repeated 20 times: [ Error calling org.gtk.vfs.MonitorClient.Changed(): Timeout was reached (g-io-error-quark, 24)]" seems related
[07:30] <mgedmin> a mounted network filesystem?
[07:30] <DarkTrick_> mgedmin, tmp is a tempfs; smb server, external harddrive, smb of the virtual machine, that runs on the same machine
[07:30] <mgedmin> 'code' is what, Visual Studio Code?
[07:31] <DarkTrick_> mgedmin, code = VS Code, yes
[07:31] <mgedmin> hmm
[07:31] <DarkTrick_> mgedmin, the log says, it couldn't freeze `code`?
[07:31] <DarkTrick_> (trying to understand the log file)
[07:32] <mgedmin> yes, and it's doing that inside fput/vfs_write
[07:32] <DarkTrick_> [Would be nice, if they were listed right at the message: "(5 tasks refusing to freeze, wq_busy=0)"]
[07:32] <mgedmin> so it's trying to flush some data (or metadata) changes before sleeping, and it can't because ... ?
[07:32] <DarkTrick_> hm... maybe I got an idea
[07:32] <mgedmin> because it's a network filesystem and wifi is down?  or it's a network filesystem and the VM that has the SMB server is frozen already?
[07:33] <mgedmin> sounds like a bug to me
[07:34] <DarkTrick_> Found the guilty one
[07:34] <DarkTrick_> I paused the VM (with the smb server), while vscode was still accessing files on that server
[07:35] <DarkTrick_> But... shouldn't this not be a reason not to suspend?
[07:36] <DarkTrick_> I remember thunar causing similar effects, when it was trying to connect to network share while suspending/shutting down
[07:36] <mgedmin> oh, _you_ paused the VM?  I thought the kernel froze the VM process as part of the suspend
[07:36] <DarkTrick_> mgedmin, I paused it to speed up the system
[07:36] <mgedmin> heh
[07:36] <mgedmin> still, I'm surprised that this blocks sleep
[07:36] <DarkTrick_> mgedmin, that pausing was completely unrelated to the suspension, though
[07:37] <mgedmin> I'd file a bug and then forget about it (because nothing happens to 99% of bugs that are filed, but it's still worth filing in case you fall into the 1%)
[07:37] <DarkTrick_> mgedmin, what package would I file on? kernel?
[07:37] <mgedmin> yes
[07:38] <DarkTrick_> mgedmin, thank you for your help!
[07:38] <mgedmin> np
[07:38] <DarkTrick_> BobbyJr, thank you, too!
[07:38] <mgedmin> naming a process 'code' threw me for a bit :D
[07:38] <BobbyJr> It depends how different applications react to broken connections surely. For example if VSCode was accessing files on a now broken share (because VM is down), it could conceivably block and thus break suspend.
[07:39] <BobbyJr> I doubt this is a kernel bug to be honest#
[07:39] <BobbyJr> it sounds more userland to me, i.e. process based
[07:40] <mgedmin> isn't process freezing something the kernel does?
[07:40] <mgedmin> I'm not sure why a network filesystem being unavailable should preclude a process from getting frozen
[07:40] <mgedmin> what if it were a real smb mount over wifi rather than a VM?
[07:41] <BobbyJr> mgedmin: Yes but my point is a process can block suspend in some circumstances, thats by design
[07:41] <mgedmin> the log shows that network-manager brings down fifi before the kernel starts freezing processes
[07:43] <BobbyJr> You wouldnt want a situation where the kernel attempts suspend by force. Its designed I believe to give processes a chance to respond, so the system going to sleep in the middle of a critical operation doesnt occur for example.
[07:49] <DarkTrick_> filed on kernel. I also think that no process should be able to prevent suspension (forever)
[07:51] <DarkTrick_> Instead of blocking suspension, user software should be written in a way to deal with random freezes
[07:56] <Bardon> Hello, I'm on 20.10 and "do-release-upgrade" says no new release found. Only `do-release-upgrade -d` offers 21.04. Why is that?
[07:56] <Bardon> If I want to upgrade to 21.04, should I use -d?
[07:59] <mgedmin> Bardon: the new shim causes boot problems on some systems
[07:59] <mgedmin> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim/+bug/1928434
[07:59] <ubot3> Launchpad bug 1928434 in shim (Ubuntu) "shim-signed does not boot on EFI 2.40 by Apple" [Critical, Triaged]
[08:00] <mgedmin> if you want to risk it, you can do-release-upgrade -d
[08:00] <mgedmin> (worked for me on my ThinkPad X390)
[08:00] <Bardon> Ok I see
[08:00] <Bardon> But I thought 21.04 was stable, isn't it?
[08:02] <ThinkT510> Bardon: apart from the shim bug yes
[08:02] <Bardon> It is a thinkpad W530 and I don't think I'm using anything EFI so it could work I suppose. I'm in no rush to upgrade tough
[08:03] <Bardon> ThinkT510: I don't understand, did 21.04 got release but is now held back until that bug is fixed? I remember upgrading another laptop to 21.04 without the -d parameter
[08:04] <ThinkT510> Bardon: that is my understanding yes
[08:05] <Bardon> Ok I see, thanks :)
[08:06] <Bardon> I wanted to upgrade because spotdl works on my laptop running ubuntu 21.04 but doesn't on my laptop running 20.10
[08:09] <mgedmin> the shim "bug" is more like a firmware bug (failure to boot when efi variables take too much space), but who are you going to blame when an ubuntu upgrade makes your laptop unbootable, ubuntu or your laptop's firmware?
[08:10] <mgedmin> a workaround is known and being worked on, but getting new builds signed by microsoft takes a while
[08:17] <DocMors> are there any reports that usb pointing devices, a mouse in this case, stop responding for short periods of time (5-20 seconds)?
[08:28] <mgedmin> two things come to mind: usb autosuspend might be causing troubles (which is why it's disabled by default), and heavily loaded systems may behave this way (especially in wayland, which doesn't have a separate input thread moving the hardware mouse cursor yet, unlike X11)
[08:28] <mgedmin> in the second case you'd see all output freeze (e.g. no blinking cursor in a terminal during those 5-20 seconds)
[08:36] <ThinkT510> also if it is wireless check the batteries
[08:39] <DocMors> mgedmin, thanks I'l have a look
[08:39] <DocMors> ThinkT510, nope they are good and I also swapped the  mouse
[08:43] <Bardon> mgedmin: I see, interesting
[08:43] <Bardon> And, that's surprising. I thought the process of releasing an ubuntu upgrade was more independent. I wouldn't expect Microsoft to sign anything
[08:44] <Guest35> I would like to uninstall intellij IDEA (community edition version(2019.3.1)) on my machine which runs on ubuntu 18.04. Could someone walk me thorugh the process?
[08:44] <mgedmin> it's Secure Boot -- laptop manufacturers trust Microsoft's signatures
[08:44] <mgedmin> so for best compatibility with existing hardware Ubuntu has a deal with Microsoft where MS signs Ubuntu's boot loaders
[08:46] <Guest35> I am unable to find out the path to my installation directory.
[08:47] <Bardon> Hmm, I thought Windows and Ubuntu were rivals (idk if the work is well chosen). It's surprising to rely on a rival at all
[08:48] <ThinkT510> Bardon: part of the reason I disable secure-boot. I dislike Microsoft being gatekeepers to my hardware.
[08:50] <mgedmin> Guest35: if you launch Ubuntu Software, can you find (and uninstall) IntelliJ there?
[08:51] <Guest35> I cannot unistall however I can find it thorugh the GUI
[08:52] <mgedmin> oh?  I'm surprised
[08:52] <mgedmin> does it not offer you an option to uninstall, or does the uninstallation fail?
[08:52] <mgedmin> does it think intellij is not installed?
[08:52] <mgedmin> how was it installed?
[08:53] <Guest35> I do not remember how it was installed
[08:53] <Guest35> I do not get the option to uninstall it
[08:53] <Bardon> ThinkT510: I see :)
[08:55] <mgedmin> there are basically four possibilities for package installation: apt, snap, flatpak and manual
[08:56] <mgedmin> I can't find intellij in ubuntu archives, so it's probably not apt
[08:56] <ThinkT510> there's also appimage and containers
[08:56] <mgedmin> Ubuntu Software knows how to uninstall apt and snap packages, so if it doesn't allow you to, it probably wasn't either of those
[08:56] <mgedmin> you need gnome-software (or flatpak on the command line) to check if it's a flatpak and remove it
[08:57] <mgedmin> I've never used appimage
[08:58] <ThinkT510> appimage tend to be properly stand-alone. literally a file you double-click to launch
[08:58] <ThinkT510> the only appimage I use is pcloud (as an alternative to dropbox)
[09:00] <ikonia>  /win 4
[09:00] <ikonia> oops
[10:14] <f_ayx> Hello, could use some help I am running Ubuntu 20.04 and plasma 5.18... I've got a media player widget/applet stuck on my desktop which I am not able to close, it keeps relaunching even after restarting my devic
[10:21] <mgedmin> I wonder if #kubuntu would have more people familiar with plasma
[10:23] <Mekaneck> mgedmin: or #kde
[11:13] <sca> f_ayx: Try removing it from the applet list of your desktop if the controls of the applets don't work.
[11:16] <f_ayx> sca: the player controls work, i.e. if I am playing something in the browser it'll let me pause/unpause it etc... How do I remove from applet list, where is it?
[11:21] <Bright> -disable-features=GlobalMediaControls
[11:27] <f_ayx> Bright:??
[11:30] <Bright> https://www.howtogeek.com/721011/how-to-disable-chromecast-media-controls-in-google-chrome/
[11:38] <f_ayx> did not solve the issue :(
[12:28] <tatertots> f_ayx: is this something you installed? if yes, then you would or should know it by name correct?
[12:28] <Walex2> f_ayx: you are not giving enough details for help to be effective, "a media player widget/applet" is a bit generic to start with.
[12:28] <Walex2> f_ayx: is that a Plasma widget? Is that the GUI manifestation of a running process?
[12:29] <Walex2> f_ayx: have you ad a look at the process list to see if there is any related process?
[12:40] <coz_> good morning
[12:51] <redder> Hello, anybody here to help out with the lynx browser?
[12:52] <mgedmin> what sort of help?
[12:53] <redder> Can't seem to open the images in an image viewer. Always defaults at opening them in firefox
[12:55] <mgedmin> hmm, lynx probably uses mailcap?
[12:56] <mgedmin> it's been ages since I used lynx; w3m/links/elinks are much better text-mode browsers
[12:57] <mgedmin> what image viewer would you prefer?
[12:57] <mgedmin> if you create a ~/.mailcap with image/*; eog '%s'; test=test -n "$DISPLAY" && test -x /usr/bin/eog
[12:57] <mgedmin> then it should start preferring eog (Eye of GNOME, GNOME's default image viewer)
[12:59] <mgedmin> see https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/impish/en/man5/mailcap.5.html for an explanation of the format
[13:01] <f_ayx> Walex2: It appears to be a Plasma widget, it looks like it is related to latte dock, because it only disappeared when I quit latte dock
[13:03] <redder> Unfortunately didn't work @mgedmin
[13:09] <remline> redder: https://lynx.invisible-island.net/lynx_help/Lynx_users_guide.html recommends that "you need to define a viewer in lynx.cfg"
[13:12] <remline> redder: And I think https://lynx.invisible-island.net/release/lynx_help/body.html#VIEWER is the relevant part for mapping MIME types to external programs. That said, I use links2... :)
[13:15] <redder> have tried defining it directly in lynx.cfg and it didn't work either. It seems it completely ignores the local mailcap
[13:17] <remline> redder: Last time I used lynx (a few years ago), I recall having trouble using a local lynx.cfg. I think I had to modify the one in /etc/ instead?
[13:18] <remline> By "local", I mean in my user's config directory.
[13:19] <coz_> googd morning
[13:19] <redder> haven't gone that route yet, because for everything else the "local"/home/whatever lynx.cfg works just fine as expected
[13:22] <remline> redder: Good, glad your local config is being used.
[13:23] <redder> It's driving me crazy, got everything else to work and this seemingly "easy" thing doesn't. It must be something simple I overlooked
[13:26] <remline> redder: Have you also set up the "SUFFIX" mappings in your lynx.cfg?
[13:28] <redder> shouldn't image/* take care of that? Anyway i'll try it out
[13:28] <remline> redder: I also see an XLOADIMAGE_COMMAND setting, but I'm not exactly sure how it differs from the VIEWER setting... :)
[13:31] <redder> remline: I added the SUFFIX and unfortunately nada.
[13:32] <redder> the last thing I can think of is adding eog as an external program in the .lynx/external file. But that would defeat the puprose
[13:34] <remline> redder: From skimming the Lynx documentation, there seem to be several different ways of configuring external programs. I wonder if these different ways are fighting against each other right now?
[13:35] <redder> maybe. I got mpv, xclip and so on working in the .lynx/external file. But image viewers should be defined either in the .lynx/viewers, lynx.cfg or the local mailcap
[13:36] <remline> redder: Ah, I'm glad you got mpv working. That should mean you are on the right track. :)
[13:37] <redder> yeah all the external programs work just fine. Its just the damn image viewer.
[13:48] <redder> Tried the XLOADIMAGE_COMMAND route too and nothing.
[13:54] <remline> redder: The images still load in firefox?
[13:55] <redder> remline: yes
[13:56] <redder> remline: It seems whatever i do it resorts back to the global mailcap, in which of course both firefox and eog are defined with opening images
[13:58] <remline> redder: Ah, that would make sense, since the user's guide says "Definitions here [VIEWER] are overridden by those in MAILCAP files and even by some built-in defaults in src/HTInit.c."
[13:58] <remline> redder: Maybe you can use the GLOBAL_MAILCAP switch to ignore or change that?
[13:58] <redder> remline: correct but i have commented out the global mailcap in the lynx.cfg
[14:01] <remline> redder: Do you think the personal mailcap can override the global mailcap?
[14:02] <redder> remline: since i have commented out the global mailcap in the lynx.cfg shouldn't it resort to the local mailcap instead?
[14:04] <remline> redder: Instead of commenting out GLOBAL_MAILCAP, perhaps define GLOBAL_MAILCAP as empty?
[14:05] <redder> ok i'll give it a try
[14:06] <punkgeek> Hello, I want to try this ova on my esxi server but I couldn't find the password, what is the template password? https://ubuntu.com/blog/snappy-ubuntu-core-now-on-the-hypervisor-of-your-choice-with-ova    i've tried ubuntu/ubuntu root/root admin/admin and none of them work
[14:07] <redder> remline: now the image doesn't open at all
[14:08] <redder> remline: wait i think you are on to something, at least i get the error message that it can't find xli, which of course doesn't exist.
[14:09] <remline> redder: Yeah, hopefully once we wrestle control away from the global mailcap, we can get it working via one of the other methods (e.g., personal mailcap?)
[14:24] <redder> remline: IT WORKED. I want to hug and kiss you. Finally
[14:25] <remline> redder: Excellent. I'll have to keep what we learned in mind next time I use lynx.
[14:30] <redder> remline: yes for anyone interested: global mailcap empty, personal mailcap to .mailcap/or wherever you have it and XLOADIMAGE_COMMAND also empty
[14:53] <GreyArea> Hello, am I right in thinking that there is no longer a non-live non-torrent version of Ubuntu 20.04 LTS available for download?
[14:53] <GreyArea> Sorry, that's Ubuntu server 20.04 LTS
[14:55] <kuudes> is this the place for asking questions about ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS in VirtualBox
[14:55] <kuudes> my ubuntu virtualbox fails to boot to gui. cli seems to work
[14:55] <ioria> GreyArea, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-legacy-server/releases/20.04/release/
[14:55] <kuudes> everything worked yesterday
[14:56] <kuudes> there appears to be free disk space
[14:56] <kuudes> I wonder if there is something related to recent update to this? iirc I did try to update it just before or so
[14:57] <kuudes> could it be a video memory issue? I use the max 128MB virtualbox gives, in 1920x1080
[14:57] <kuudes> is this wrong place to ask? :-)
[15:00] <leftyfb> ioria: woah, is that new? I didn't know that existed
[15:01] <ioria> leftyfb, yeah
[15:06] <GreyArea> ioria: Thanks!
[15:07] <ioria> ok
[15:35] <pi_101> .
[15:35] <pi_101> .
[15:42] <kuudes> so, it appears we don't have yet info here?
[15:45] <ioria> kuudes, if you got the console working, try to restart gdm
[15:45] <ioria> kuudes, sudo systemctl restart gdm
[15:51] <kuudes> thanks ioria
[15:51] <ioria> no problem
[15:55] <kuudes> ioria, sorry, it still gives the "oh no! something went wrong"
[15:57] <ioria> kuudes, maybe my memory is failing me, but is not that a unity/lightdm thing ?
[15:58] <kuudes> hmm, could be
[15:58] <ioria> kuudes, btw, switch to console and  sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[15:59] <kuudes> ok
[16:00] <kuudes> my current best guess is that somehow it would currently require more than the 128MB of video memory virtualbox gives to it
[16:00] <kuudes> ok, now it got those done
[16:00] <kuudes> I'll reboot?
[16:01] <kuudes> some module that has drm in its start claims errors briefly
[16:01] <ioria> kuudes, i know almost nothing about virtualbox; i just assume a graphic / update issue, that's all
[16:01] <kuudes> yeah, still the "oh no!"
[16:02] <ioria> kuudes, got any errors about the upgrade ?
[16:03] <kuudes> no, it went well
[16:03] <ioria> kuudes, what happens when you run 'sudo systemctl restart gdm' ?
[16:03] <kuudes> now after boot, it seems there are at least errors in syslog of "Failed to grab accelerators: GDBus.Error ..."
[16:04] <kuudes> doing
[16:04] <kuudes> "Oh no! ..."
[16:05] <ioria> kuudes, backup ~/.config folder
[16:06] <kuudes> cp -r ~/.config/ ~/.config.bak/ I guess
[16:06] <ioria> nope
[16:06] <ioria> just mv
[16:06] <kuudes> ah
[16:07] <ioria> and restart gdm
[16:07] <kuudes> ok
[16:07] <kuudes> done
[16:08] <kuudes> wow, it gave me "connect to your network account" but then flashed to "Oh no! ..."
[16:09] <ioria> kuudes, enabled 3D acceleration  ?
[16:10] <kuudes> no
[16:10] <kuudes> graphics controller is VMSVGA
[16:10] <ioria> kuudes, as i said idk much about VM, sorry
[16:10] <kuudes> there is something about "invalid opcode" in syslog
[16:11] <ioria> no idea
[16:12] <kuudes> kernel: {  417.391191] traps: gnome-shell[4999] trap invalid opcode ip:7f1e98001024 sp:7ffef32a0900 error:0
[16:12] <kuudes> * kernel: [
[16:13] <kuudes> thanks in any case ioria
[16:14] <ioria> no proble, what's your video card ?
[16:14] <kuudes> physical?
[16:14] <ioria> yes
[16:15] <kuudes> hmm, this is a dell laptop
[16:15] <kuudes> I guess something intel?
[16:16] <Mekaneck> kuudes: make sure
[16:16] <kuudes> where I see it on windows X?
[16:16] <heap> hi, is freenode channel dead?
[16:17] <Mekaneck> heap, that offtopic
[16:17] <Mekaneck> that/that's
[16:17] <kuudes> control panel shows me Inter(R) HD Graphics 630, I wonder if it is that
[16:17] <Mekaneck> kuudes: install inxi
[16:18] <Mekaneck> ah, then it's intel
[16:18] <Mekaneck> heap, this is the new official support channel of ubuntu
[16:18] <kuudes> yeah, I think that is it
[16:19] <Mekaneck> it is
[16:19] <kuudes> System Information says on System Summary > Components > Display > Name : Inter(R) HD Graphics 630
[16:19] <heap> okay thanks
[16:20] <kuudes> on VirtualBox it is VMSVGA, 128 MB
[16:21] <kuudes> should I enable 3d acceleration?
[16:34] <kuudes> I guess I didn't manage to get it to work, sorry
[16:34] <kuudes> I will call it a day and continue tomorrow
[16:35] <kuudes> thanks for help ioria and Mekaneck! :)
[16:35] <kuudes> bye!
[16:36] <signofzeta> hi, I'm having trouble with one of my Ubuntu servers (20.04.2 LTS).  something's wrong with the boot process.  systemd doesn't seem to be starting up normally, unless I manually add init=/lib/systemd/systemd to the boot command line.  this just started recently.
[16:38] <rfm> signofzeta, is there still a symlink from /sbin/init to /lib/systemd/systemd?
[16:47] <davidkrauser> has anyone tried installing a newer kernel in an old release? Are there any dangers with that? Thinking about installing the hirsute kernel on a focal system. (it needs to stay focal for compatibility with other software, and the focal HWE kernel isn't new enough)
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> davidkrauser: !mainline kernels are more for testing purposes then for daily use
[16:49] <devslash> I am trying to connect to my vpm in ubuntu but when I do ifconfig it only shows lo and eth0 interfaces
[16:50] <leftyfb> devslash: vpm?
[16:50] <devslash> yea
[16:52] <devslash> Im missing the tun0 interface
[16:52] <lotuspsychje> davidkrauser: maybe if you explain your compatibility problem more, volunteers could think a long a solution with you?
[16:53] <devslash> how do you create the tun interface?
[16:53] <signofzeta> yes, /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd
[16:54] <signofzeta> the error message I get when using systemctl is:  System has not been booted with systemd as init system (PID 1). Can't operate.
[16:54] <signofzeta> Failed to connect to bus: Host is down
[16:54] <signofzeta> But I see systemd running in `ps ax`.
[16:54] <leftyfb> devslash: what is a VPM?
[16:55] <leftyfb> devslash: also, as far as "ifconfig" goes, you need to run "ifconfig -a" to show all interfaces regardless of their online status
[16:55] <devslash> a service to hide your browsing activity
[16:55] <davidkrauser> leftyfb, I think a typo of VPN
[16:56] <devslash> -a doesnt show any additional interfaces
[16:57] <davidkrauser> lotuspsychje: I want to run kde-neon (which uses focal as its base) on a laptop that requires a very new kernel. The focal hwe kernel is currently at 5.8 which isn't new enough. My thought was to install the 5.11 hirsute kernel in the interim until the hwe kernel gets bumped in a later cycle. I think this should be fine, but wasn't sure if I was missing some 'gotchas'
[16:59] <lotuspsychje> davidkrauser: well we usualy investigate the root of the problem, like a bug you encounter on a specific kernel, then file a bug against that kernel and start testing things with mainline or other ubuntu releases
[17:04] <davidkrauser> lotuspsychje: ahh, yeah - this isn't really a bug with the focal kernel. Just new hardware ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[17:04] <tatertots> devslash: do you actually have a VPM/VPN provider?
[17:04] <davidkrauser> lotuspsychje: and I don't want to wait for the hardware enablement kernel to drop
[17:05] <devslash> yes of course
[17:05] <devslash> i pay for a vpn service
[17:05] <tatertots> devslash: what is the name of your provider?
[17:05] <devslash> and i downloaded openvpn configs'
[17:05] <devslash> mullvad
[17:06] <tatertots> devslash: mullvad has a GUI app that would make things easier for you....i suggest you use it
[17:07] <devslash> i cant
[17:07] <devslash> I am trying to use it in an environment (Docker image) that doesnt have a UI
[17:07] <ValeraRozuvan> What if you aren't running X?
[17:07] <devslash> you can use a vpn without X
[17:08] <tatertots> devslash: who can?
[17:08] <tatertots> lol
[17:08] <devslash> what I mean is that it is possible...
[17:09] <ValeraRozuvan> Yeah. If you configure OpenVPN yourself on a server - and know 100% what the server expects, so you can proiperly configure the client.
[17:09] <ValeraRozuvan> rep /proiperly/properly/
[17:10] <leftyfb> devslash: have you tried following https://openvpn.net/vpn-server-resources/connecting-to-access-server-with-linux/ ?
[17:11] <devslash> no because I am using a docker image with openvpn
[17:12] <ValeraRozuvan> Get a base image with just debian - and configure it according to the guide.
[17:12] <ValeraRozuvan> Don't rely on 3rd party Docker images with OpenVPN...
[17:12] <leftyfb> devslash: ok, maybe try #docker then
[17:16] <devslash> ValeraRozuvan, I know I tried that with an image based on ubuntu
[17:16] <devslash> but ran into an issue with no tun interface...
[17:18] <tatertots> devslash: users in the #docker community will have experience and can help you with docker inter-networking
[17:20] <devslash> the thing is, I dont think my issue is realted to docker
[17:21] <devslash> because while im inside of the image, which is almost like its own o.s. I am unable to see the network interface tun0
[17:25] <tatertots> devslash: a community that has likely done what you are trying to achieve is the point there
[17:26] <eax> @devslash: have you tried manually creating the tun interface inside the container?
[17:26] <devslash> im not sure how
[17:27] <eax> @devslash: inside the container. simply run `sudo mkdir /dev/net`
[17:28] <tatertots> devslash: something you claim you've seen "tun0"...exists already and wouldn't need creation ..again
[17:28] <eax> @devlash: `sudo mknod /dev/net/tun c 10 200`
[17:28] <eax> @devslash: `sudo ip tuntap add mode tap tap`
[17:31] <devslash> eax when I run the ip command i get an error open: No such file or directory
[17:31] <devslash> oh wait
[17:31] <devslash> I forgot to mknod first
[17:32] <devslash> ok so I ran mknod and then the ip command and I get an error operation not permitted "ioctl(TUNSETIFF): Operation not permitted
[17:32] <devslash> "
[17:34] <eax> @devslash: here's a gist for future reference => https://gist.github.com/8b835d15d224cfe2e8c1bb4e369c3e08
[17:35] <devslash> ahh ok i got it working and have a tun interface
[17:35] <eax> @devslash: awesome. happy hacking!
[17:35] <devslash> thanks
[17:40] <almostdvs> I'm trying to install ubuntu to an old laptop and it keeps getting stuck at the human and keyboard splash
[17:42] <lotuspsychje> almostdvs: wich flavour of ubuntu are you trying?
[17:43] <almostdvs> I need to install 18.04.  I have tried the live version, server and xubuntu live
[17:44] <lotuspsychje> almostdvs: have you tryed F1 see if you can switch to textboot for errors?
[17:44] <almostdvs> google results are speaking of after install.  I can't even run the installer
[17:44] <almostdvs> I will do so now
[17:45] <alkisg> almostdvs: how much RAM does the laptop have?
[17:46] <almostdvs> I'm pretty sure its is 8G alkisg
[17:46] <Thete> why such an old version?
[17:46] <almostdvs> for ROS robotic arm software
[17:47] <alkisg> OLD laptop with 8 GB?! Why, some new ones have 4 GB
[17:47] <alkisg> Are you sure you want 18.04 and not 20.04 then?
[17:47] <alkisg> Do you know which cpu and which graphics card it has?
[17:47] <almostdvs> I'm not sure of the specifics didn't expect to get stuck on OS installation
[17:47] <alkisg> If it's not a hardware issue, like bad RAM, then it sounds like a graphics driver issue, e.g. nvidia or amd that need nomodeset temporarily
[17:48] <almostdvs> this computer is a thinkpad e550 and I was stuck on splash on a barebones jetway pc earlier
[17:48] <alkisg> google "nomodeset livecd" for how to activate it
[17:48] <almostdvs> If I press f6 right at the purple screen I can navigate the 'install ubuntu server, test memory' menu
[17:49] <almostdvs> as soon as I set nomodeset or select install ubuntu server it just freezes
[17:49] <heap> hello, any idea why ubuntu for arm computers as rpi etc is not using btrfs as native / /boot FS?
[17:50] <Thete> default is ext4
[17:50] <heap> but why not btrfs? its still not stable enought?
[17:50] <Mekaneck> heap: ext4 is used by default on ubuntu
[17:51] <Mekaneck> so every other spin uses it too
[17:51] <heap> hm but for arm pcs with SD cards isnt btrfs utilizing snapshoting better?
[17:51] <heap> spin?
[17:51] <almostdvs> better is subjective
[17:51] <Mekaneck> spin/flavours
[17:52] <Mekaneck> heap: who uses a sd card anyway.... SSD is the way to go
[17:52] <ogra> almostdvs, you mean btr doesnt stand for "better" ? 😛
[17:52] <Mekaneck> lol
[17:53] <heap> Mekaneck: maybe yes; hm even with ssd ; btrfs can be snapshoted during the run so used for a OS backup
[17:53] <heap> on the FS level
[17:53] <ogra> heap, btrfs simply doesnt get a lot of attention by the ubuntu devs ... if you want an enterprise FS you use ZFS, if you want default you go for ext4 ...
[17:53] <leftyfb> heap: not everyone needs filesystem-level backup/recovery/snapshots
[17:53] <ogra> heap, going away from that means someone has to maintain the difference
[17:53] <Mekaneck> if you're interested, while not very active, there's a #ubuntu-arm channel heap
[17:53] <ogra> ... which costs manpower and thus ... money
[17:54] <heap> well but how do u backup linux machine in case a failure? not interested in rsync etc... noone never remembers all setup that was done, all packages installed etc
[17:54] <heap> and executing DD on running system is crazy
[17:54] <almostdvs> There are many ways to perform backups
[17:55] <ogra> i could imagine that we see zfs based RPi server images in a future release ... simply utilizing whats there
[17:55] <almostdvs> btrfs is more complex thus less desirable for a default
[17:56] <ogra> 👍
[17:56] <heap> almostdvs: there are so i cant see any way how to achieve it
[17:57] <ogra> heap, you could use snap packages for all your apps  ... they come with builtin snapshotting by default 😉
[17:57] <heap> apps is part of that
[17:57] <heap> there are multiple changes/fiddling to the OS
[17:58] <heap> so thats why i need something ... that can restore easily without memorizing docummenting every change to OS
[18:00] <heap> so if i understand correctly one can run ZFS on ubuntu w/out issue?
[18:01] <ogra> not sure it has been tested a lot on PI/SD cards
[18:01] <ogra> but theoretically yes
[18:01] <heap> even if i buy SSD i will have same issue
[18:02] <heap> i just want to somehow backup whole OS as much easily as possible for data changes borg/rsync for whole OS on FS level something zfs send / receive
[18:02] <heap> question is about /boot / if i can have one / (including /boot) as zfs/btrfs and it can boot from it etc
[18:03] <ogra> not on a Pi
[18:03] <ogra> the Pi can only boot from vfat ... if you wanted to make the whole disk one partition you would have to use vfat for the rootfs .... that wont work
[18:04] <heap> i see but /boot as vfat is fine ... as most of the time there is no rw on it
[18:04] <ogra> its not a rw issue ... more ... missing features the OS relies upon
[18:04] <alkisg> almostdvs: if you replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset", don't you see any error messages that would reveal the underlying issue? E.g. a kernel panic?
[18:05] <ogra> (vfat does not support symlinks)
[18:05] <alkisg> almostdvs: the icon you say, it's the splash icon, not the pxelinux icon, right? I.e. it loads the kernel, and THEN hangs, correct?
[18:05] <almostdvs> alkisg: what do you mean replace quiet splash?
[18:06] <almostdvs> right now i see the installation menu because i pressed f6 during the splash
[18:06] <alkisg> almostdvs: if you press "e" on grub or "tab" on pxelinux, you see the kernel cmdline; there, you can remove quiet splash or replace it with nomodeset, so that you can avoid the splash, and see the kernel messages
[18:06] <almostdvs> pressing f6 again which is 'other options' i can choose nomodeset
[18:06] <alkisg> OK I assume by splash you mean syslinux. Press tab to remove quiet/splash
[18:07] <alkisg> (by splash we usually mean the plymouth splash which comes later on)
[18:08] <heap> another thing backup of MBR
[18:08] <alkisg> almostdvs:  To see a screenshot: https://askubuntu.com/questions/152847/how-to-access-boot-options-12-04-live-usb ==> there, see the command line at the bottom; you can edit it with [tab]
[18:11] <almostdvs> ok im back at the menu with the options. there is no 'quiet splash' it ends with initrd=/casper/initrd quiet ---
[18:12] <alkisg> Remove quiet then; it'll tell the kernel to print additional messages
[18:13] <almostdvs> so 'initrd=/casper/initrd ---'
[18:13] <almostdvs> alkisg: ?
[18:13] <alkisg> almostdvs: well, did you also put or at least try nomodeset?
[18:13] <alkisg> If you want, you can put it where quiet was. Otherwise yeah that's it go ahead and boot it
[18:14] <almostdvs> ok.  right now it reads 'boot=casper initrd=/casper/initrd nomodeset ---'
[18:15] <alkisg> almostdvs: btw, I just tested with ubuntu mate 18.04.5 and "quiet splash" is there; I don't know why you only have "quiet"
[18:15] <alkisg> OK go for it
[18:15] <almostdvs> I press enter and it hangs
[18:15] <alkisg> It sounds like it hangs before loading the kernel then
[18:16] <alkisg> (or at least, before the kernel shows any messages)
[18:16] <ogra> almostdvs, and you said in the beginning you already got it in that state (hanging on a differet splash on boot) ?
[18:16] <alkisg> ogra: I think by "splash" he meant the syslinux boot menu
[18:16] <ogra> that sounds like a broken BIOS/UEFI or broken hardware
[18:16] <almostdvs> if I don't do anything it will hang on the image right before this with the keyboard and human
[18:17] <alkisg> That keyboard/human is still syslinux
[18:17] <almostdvs> interrupting with keypress lets me select language and achieve this menu
[18:17] <ogra> well, have you seen the device working before ?
[18:17] <almostdvs> yea it has windows on it
[18:17] <ogra> aha .... and that still boots ?
[18:17] <almostdvs> yeah, its fine until i wipe it
[18:17]  * ogra takes back the BIOS/HW theory then
[18:18] <alkisg> almostdvs: is that a cd or a usb stick? How did you create it, e.g. with rufus, unetbootin, dd?
[18:18] <almostdvs> i'm pretty sure i've made my usbs the same way before. Let me check real quick
[18:18] <alkisg> Try to boot another PC with that USB stick
[18:18] <almostdvs> im on a mac so convert iso to img with hdiutil and then dd on to the usb
[18:18] <alkisg> To rule out the case where it's badly created
[18:19] <alkisg> Normally you can dd the iso directly. No idea about macs.
[18:19] <ogra> yeah
[18:19] <almostdvs> i mean same thing happened on another machine i tried before this one
[18:19] <ogra> just dd should be fine
[18:19] <alkisg> This probably means "badly created usb stick" then. Use another method, like plain dd without conversion
[18:19] <almostdvs> just dd the iso?  ok ill give it a shot
[18:20] <alkisg> Remember to dd it directly to e.g. /dev/sdb, not to a partition like /dev/sdb1
[18:21] <almostdvs> i almost rolled my eyes but then remembered i wiped the wrong machine this weekend on some other project.  can't be too careful
[18:24] <cbreak> on Mac OS, you can use Etcher
[18:24] <cbreak> https://www.balena.io/etcher/
[18:24] <cbreak> the usb sticks aren't properly readable on Mac OS, but sometimes they can be booted by a normal computer :)
[18:25] <cbreak> (I didn't have success with the 20.04 image last time I tried, but 20.10 worked, that was the newest back when I tried it)
[18:29] <almostdvs> :/  just tried without adjusting options, then replacing quiet with nomodeset.  same results
[18:29] <ogra> from the newly written stick ?
[18:31] <almostdvs> yes
[18:32] <ogra> dies the UEFI perhaps have some secureboot option turned on that could prevent the USB boot from progressing ?
[18:32] <ogra> *does
[18:32] <almostdvs> i'm going to try a different usb
[18:38] <almostdvs> That must have been it. new stick must not be compatible or something.   thanks alkisg et al
[18:39] <ogra> yay
[18:40] <alkisg> 👍️
[18:40] <almostdvs> disappointing. this new usb-c/usb-a stick writes real fast
[18:59] <cbreak> usb sticks are essentially flash drives / SSDs, they wear out over time
[19:01] <Sven_vB> hi :) I'm using VLC on Ubuntu focal to play a file which I'm currently downloading. Unfortunately, when it reaches end of file (due to playback speed or time-jump commands), it stops playback and closes the file. Is there a VLC option to make it stay in a pause-like limbo instead, so I can time-jump back or just wait until more data arrives? (and ideally, auto-continue when it does) or do we have another video player that can do it?
[19:01] <punkgeek>  Hello, I want to try this ova on my esxi server but I couldn't find the password, what is the template password? https://ubuntu.com/blog/snappy-ubuntu-core-now-on-the-hypervisor-of-your-choice-with-ova    i've tried ubuntu/ubuntu root/root admin/admin and none of them work
[19:02] <sarnold> Sven_vB: I don't think I've seen that kind of option before
[19:02] <rbasak> I wonder if piping in from tail -c0 -f or similar might work
[19:03] <rbasak> Oh, tail -c +0 -f maybe
[19:03] <Sven_vB> rbasak, limbo with auto-continue works when playing from a pipe, but VLC won't allow time-jump with a pipe.
[19:04] <rbasak> Right - pipes aren't seekable
[19:05] <Sven_vB> rbasak, also it seems that each time VLC encounters the pipe is empty, it will be stuck for several seconds, even if the pipe sending process is only a few milliseconds late
[19:06] <Sven_vB> in this stuck time, VLC doesn't even visually acknowledge requests to adjust playback speed
[19:11] <leftyfb> Sven_vB: try #videolan
[19:11] <Sven_vB> leftyfb, thanks!
[19:13] <ogra> punkgeek, i'm not sure these images are still supported (they are 6y old)
[19:13] <ogra> typically ubuntu core starts a setup tool on first boot on the console
[19:13] <ogra> where you can set up a user
[19:25] <signofzeta> Hi, I'm having a problem with systemd.  Suddenly, on my 20.04 server, it claims it doesn't start the system, and a ton of related things break.  When I try to run systemctl, it says "System has not been booted with systemd as init system (PID 1). Can't operate." and "Failed to connect to bus: Host is down".  However, /sbin/init is a symlink to /lib/systemd/systemd, which is indeed running as PID 1.
[19:25] <signofzeta>  Any ideas?
[19:28] <ogra> signofzeta, is your disk full ... have you checked logs etc etc ?
[19:28] <signofzeta> The disk was full at one point.  I expanded it.
[19:30] <rbasak> "which is indeed running as PID 1" -> what have you done that leads you to that conclusion?
[19:30] <signofzeta> The output of ps aux shows PID 1 as /sbin/init, which is a symlink to /lib/systemd/systemd
[19:30] <signofzeta> I've tried booting with init=/lib/systemd/systemd for kicks, but no change there
[19:31] <rbasak> Because of pivot_root, mount namespaces and suchlike, I don't think ps output can be trusted to reach that conclusion here.
[19:32] <signofzeta> fair enough. how can I check?
[19:32] <rbasak> I would examine /proc/1, but I'm not sure which bit of info there would be conclusive, sorry.
[19:33] <sarnold> /proc/1/maps wouldn't be a bad start
[19:33] <signofzeta> /proc/1/exe is a symlink to /lib/systemd/systemd: https://termbin.com/c9yc
[19:34] <signofzeta> /proc/1/maps maps to a lot of things, including /lib/systemd/systemd.  need the output?
[19:34] <rbasak> Check the inode number matches "stat /lib/systemd/systemd"
[19:34] <sarnold> here's mine to compare against https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qDQ6sg2T6v/
[19:35] <rbasak> (technically the device number needs to match as well)
[19:36] <signofzeta> yes, the map and the app have the same inode
[19:37] <ioria> signofzeta, ps -p 1 -o comm=
[19:37] <rbasak> OK, so then I agree with you that appears that systemd is indeed pid 1, and I'm out of ideas, sorry.
[19:37] <signofzeta> comm=systemd
[19:37] <signofzeta> lol, me too, rbasak, me too.
[19:38] <remline> anything interesting in "dmesg | grep systemd"?
[19:38] <sarnold> signofzeta: okay, next guess, maybe try an opensnoop-bpfcc in one console and systemctl commands in another, and see if systemctl is trying to open files..
[19:40] <signofzeta> remline: no, not really.  one corrupted journal that's replaced. https://termbin.com/md2l
[19:43] <signofzeta> sarnold: yes, I see systemctl in thie list.  nothing stands out, though.
[19:44] <ogra> signofzeta, you said you resized the disk ... did you also resize the filesystem in it ?
[19:44] <signofzeta> yes, df -h says I have plenty of space
[19:44] <signofzeta> the filesystem does fill the disk
[19:45] <ogra> the log looke like it is still full TBH
[19:45] <ogra> *looks
[19:45] <ogra> (but then it might be an old log and journald probably didnt start at al since you have the issue)
[19:45] <signofzeta> okay, how can I clear it?  I just ran journalctl --vacuum-size and that surprisingly did something
[19:59] <isapgswell> ubuntu software lags reponse user input,
[19:59] <isapgswell> youtube loading and paging is faster
[20:00] <isapgswell> any idea??
[20:02] <signofzeta> not offhand, isapgswell.  what's lagging?  the ubuntu UI?
[20:04] <isapgswell> signofzeta lags to show up category items, icons and descriptions, resuming as you said UI
[20:04] <signofzeta> just the file explorer, then?  what happens if you open up another app (say, LibreOffice) and work with that?
[20:06] <isapgswell> signofzeta yes the ubuntu software explorer, libreoffice and nautilus works great
[20:06] <signofzeta> oh, software explorer.  yeah, it's slow for me, too, and i've got a six-core Ryzen.  I think it's just the app.
[20:07] <signofzeta> wish i had a solution, but i don't think it's just you
[20:07] <isapgswell> signofzeta me too, i have a gamer notebook
[20:07] <signofzeta> do you get that bug where you click on a category in software explorer, and it doesn't show you any apps?
[20:08] <isapgswell> signofzeta it show sometimes after around 10/15 seconds
[20:08] <isapgswell> signofzeta for the first time
[20:10] <isapgswell> signofzeta my internet link connection is 240mb
[20:10] <isapgswell> signofzeta so, not a link speed problem
[20:13] <isapgswell> signofzeta do this test: click on a category unclicked before and after try swipe apps
[20:14] <isapgswell> signofzeta for me when i do that i have to click background window pane one time and try to swipe again, it will be faster
[21:23] <bumblefuzz> can anyone explain what this output is?
[21:23] <bumblefuzz> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/fpf5nk9CS6/
[21:24] <sarnold> bumblefuzz: you don't have a package named 'imagemagick' installed
[21:24] <sarnold> bumblefuzz: but you do have packages named imagemagick-6-common and imagemagick-6.q16 installed
[21:25] <bumblefuzz> annnd I'm retarded
[21:25] <bumblefuzz> thanks
[21:29] <Aavar> This may be the wrong place to ask... I have a test-server running Proxmox and the ssh is failing. Is it possible to extract some files from a container that wont start?
[21:30] <sarnold> what's doing the file storage for your container?
[21:30] <Aavar> sarnold: hmm... whatever is default i suppose.
[21:31] <Aavar> sarnold: sorry. Maybe I misread the question... it is saved to a hdd (i suppose the hd is failing and not the ssd)
[21:31] <sarnold> Aavar: if the file storage is a simple zfs dataset than you can certainly mount it into whatever namespace you've got available to work with, and inspect it that way
[21:32] <sarnold> Aavar: if it's iscsi then it'll take a bit more work ..
[21:32] <Aavar> it is not iscsi.
[21:32] <Aavar> sarnold: how do I go about doing that?
[21:32] <sarnold> Aavar: start with zfs list and see if it looks likely
[21:34] <Aavar> sarnold: I see that it is actually a ext4-partition.
[21:35] <sarnold> Aavar: aha; if it' snot already mounted, you could just mount it anywhere
[21:35] <Aavar>  /var is a ext4 partition.
[21:35] <Aavar> sarnold: It is mounted, but how can i find and extract my files?
[21:36] <sarnold> Aavar: cp?
[21:37] <Aavar> sarnold: I am actually looking for some files inside a container. Should I be able to find them under /var?
[21:37] <Aavar> as plain files?
[21:37] <sarnold> Aavar: probably yeah, if you're using ext4-backed storage for your container
[21:40] <Aavar> sarnold: hmm... eighter you or me is missunderstanding. the whole /var of the host is a single extra ext4 partition. So I guess there is one or several zfs-images mounted on a physical drive.
[21:40] <Aavar> (partiton)
[21:40] <sarnold> Aavar: I don't know your system
[21:40] <sarnold> Aavar: I'm just going on what you've said
[23:38] <F_Carson> ubuntu 20.04 sudo apt dist-upgrade is holding back evolution-common 3.36.5-0ubuntu1 while all the (6) other evolution pkgs seem fine
[23:39] <Bashing-om> !info evolution-common focal | F_Carson
[23:39] <sarnold> F_Carson: a sudo apt install evolution-common   will probably show you what actions are necessary
[23:39] <ubot3> F_Carson: evolution-common (3.36.4-0ubuntu1, focal): architecture independent files for Evolution. In component universe, is optional. Built by evolution. Size 679 kB / 18,408 kB
[23:42] <F_Carson> why then is dist-upgrade holding it (and consequently all the other evolution upgrades)??  there shouldn't be any dependency problems (?)
[23:42] <F_Carson> it's doing it on all my 20.04 installations...
[23:47] <Bashing-om> F_Carson: Pulling from the proposed repo ? https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=evolution-common&searchon=names&suite=focal-updates&section=all .
[23:55] <F_Carson> i did what apt install suggested, and evolution was removed.  did an apt autoremove to clean up and tried to start fresh with apt install evoluion which fails completely with unmet depends:
[23:56] <F_Carson> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[23:56] <F_Carson>  evolution : Depends: libcamel-1.2-62 (>= 3.36.5) but 3.36.4-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[23:56] <F_Carson>              Depends: libecal-2.0-1 (>= 3.36.5) but 3.36.4-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[23:56] <F_Carson>              Depends: libedataserver-1.2-24 (>= 3.36.5) but 3.36.4-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[23:56] <F_Carson>              Depends: libevolution (>= 3.36.5) but it is not going to be installed
[23:56] <F_Carson>              Depends: libevolution (< 3.37) but it is not going to be installed