[04:19] <bittin> KDE Hackday at https://foss-north.se/2021/ today for the last day
[11:43] <silver_hook> Is LTS supported for 5 or 3 years? The wikipedia article on Kubuntu seems to have conflicting info in text vs table.
[11:50] <remline> silver_hook: I find the situation a bit confusing, too. My understanding is -- the "base" Ubuntu packages are supported for five years, while the Kubuntu-specific "universe" packages are supported by the Kubuntu community for three years.
[11:51] <Mekaneck> silver_hook: Kubuntu LTS is only supported for 3 years
[11:52] <Mekaneck> Main Ubuntu LTS 5 years, all other LTS flavours 3 years
[11:53] <remline> Mekaneck: And yet, presumably Kubuntu LTS gets kernel updates for five years?
[11:53] <silver_hook> That, kinda(?) makes sense?
[11:53] <alkisg> silver_hook: run: ubuntu-security-status
[12:05] <silver_hook> alkisg: Thanks :)
[12:13] <remline> "1726 packages installed, of which: 1260 receive package updates until 1/2022". So what is the status of the non-"receive updates" packages?
[12:20] <Mamarok> remline: likely third-party, aka not Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Plasma made
[12:20] <Mamarok> e.g. Libreoffice or the like
[12:22] <remline> Mamarok: That could be. However, I have seen Libreoffice get updates, e.g., "libreoffice (1:7.1.3-0ubuntu0.21.04.1) hirsute" on 7 May 2021.
[12:23] <remline> And ubuntu-security-status --thirdparty reveals "You have no packages installed from a third party."
[12:24] <Mamarok> remline: that was a guess, since I have no idea what you ahve installed on your system :-)
[12:26] <remline> Mamarok: They are all packages from the hirsute archives, except for "dropbox".
[12:33] <remline> Running an unmodified Kubuntu live system, I see "1973 packages installed; 1281 receive package updates until 1/2022". That leaves 692 packages which supposedly don't receive updates...?
[12:51] <remline> "apt list '~suniverse ~i' | wc" reveals that the "unsupported" packages listed by ubuntu-security-status are simply the packages in the universe section. This implies, in a sense, that KDE packages are unsupported from day one.
[13:14] <Mamarok> remline: unsupported by Ubuntu doesn't mean unsupported at all
[13:18] <remline> Mamarok: Agreed, but it does mean that the 5-year vs. 3-year LTS support terms are... confusing to the user.
[15:05] <alkisg> remline: hirsuite isn't LTS. The 3/5 years of support are for LTS editions
[15:06] <alkisg> In a MATE 20.04 that I have open: ubuntu-security-status => 3334 packages installed, of which: \n 2145 receive package updates with LTS until 4/2025 \n 1135 could receive security updates with ESM Apps until 4/2030
[15:40] <Mamarok> remline: 5 years is for servers or base systems in LTS, 3 years for LTS in general, everything else is the normal support. And yes, Hirsute is not lTS anyway, so not covered
[15:41] <Mamarok> and servers means not desktop related, so all things GUI would be 3 years in an LTS
[15:43] <Mamarok> see also https://ubuntu.com/blog/what-is-an-ubuntu-lts-release et al.
[21:03] <mparillo> !lts
[21:39] <michael> hello