| zxmpi | allo allo | 10:00 |
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| daftykins | happy Friday, team | 13:24 |
| zxmpi | bank holiday weekend here so it's extra travelly outside | 13:25 |
| daftykins | ooh my, against rules or? | 13:28 |
| zxmpi | country is openish for first time since crimbo and a bank holiday. everyone is on the move | 13:45 |
| daftykins | is it feeling like a zombie film for you to venture out into the wasteland? | 13:47 |
| zxmpi | want to get a bit of shopping done but might wait till tomorrow | 13:52 |
| daftykins | sounds good | 14:09 |
| daftykins | oy, wealthy client propped up the TV on polystyrene chunks (new TV i assisted in buying for them up at the farmhouse) and a pet allegedly helped knock it over | 14:10 |
| daftykins | the LCD panel was bowed out on the front and the bezel deformed due to the impact, silly sod tried to push it back into place... | 14:10 |
| daftykins | *CRUNCH* | 14:10 |
| daftykins | the image is now missing a large triangle apparently ¬_¬ | 14:10 |
| zxmpi | big and fragile. mounted to a wall would be safer than stacked on wobbly polystyrene | 14:12 |
| daftykins | yeah, it's all temporary due to their only just having bought the place though | 14:12 |
| daftykins | i just did a walkaround of the new-new place yesterday too, so awkward because the renting tenant was still present | 14:13 |
| zxmpi | tv didn't even survive their move in | 14:13 |
| daftykins | crazy 2 million quid house | 14:13 |
| zxmpi | so enough room to swing a cat | 14:14 |
| zxmpi | ...or any other bdsm implement :-P | 14:14 |
| daftykins | current place is bigger but he wants to shift over for some reason, it's going to be terrible | 14:14 |
| daftykins | the infrastructure isn't as bad as i had remembered though, (it was his back in ~2006 when i was away at Uni) maybe 1 network point per room | 14:15 |
| zxmpi | maybe the commute from the bedroom to the kitchen is too far :-P | 14:15 |
| daftykins | it's gonna be worse, new place kitchen is in the basement! | 14:16 |
| daftykins | really bad location for broadband too, max option is 40/5 | 14:16 |
| laney | you can probably pay for ethernet/fibre to be run if you've got 2 mil for a place | 15:00 |
| daftykins | nah, i asked the ISP - they want over £2,300 per month for 100/100 | 15:01 |
| daftykins | nay, £3,200 | 15:06 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: I went through the community-fibre-partnership with BT; they wanted about £2700 to instlal it - based on doing about 100 houses | 16:44 |
| penguin42 | (each) | 16:48 |
| daftykins | heh wow | 18:13 |
| arif-ali | or you could go with some local companies that are doing FTTP, I found a local one near me, Pine Media 115/20 is £29.99, which isn't too bad | 18:34 |
| daftykins | FTTP is in very limited areas and i'm not even in England so not really the same deal | 18:35 |
| arif-ali | oh, I thought this was a UK channel :) | 18:36 |
| daftykins | it is, but the Channel Islands are in that vague spot where they're no way big enough to have their own channel - and are just British enough for me to pester this lot | 18:37 |
| arif-ali | ah, ok :) | 18:37 |
| daftykins | Guernsey #1 \o/ | 18:37 |
| penguin42 | arif-ali: are Pine managing to work in the same area as Virgin and BT ? | 18:42 |
| daftykins | maybe they're just reselling Openreach's FTTP? | 18:42 |
| daftykins | hmm up Sheffield way eh | 18:43 |
| arif-ali | penguin42: I think so, I've not gone that way yet. Based on my understanding is that they use the ducting and BT sections to lay their own fibres | 18:43 |
| daftykins | nice speed tiers but looks very unavailable right now - https://pinemedia.net/ | 18:45 |
| arif-ali | yeah, still quite new I think, smells very much like digital region, that happen in this area many years back, and that got discontinued after a few years. I'll wait for a bit | 18:47 |
| arif-ali | if you look at they status over the past month, I can't afford for my www to be down for lengthy hours like it did in S6, https://status.pinemedia.net/. So, I think a bit premature to move yet I think | 18:50 |
| daftykins | yeah that's far from ideal, are those partial postcodes or their own service area codes? | 18:51 |
| arif-ali | I presume they're partial, it does say a specific area in S6, but still not ideal. I've only had 4 downtimes in the past 5 years with my current provider, so I'll stay for them for a bit yet | 18:53 |
| penguin42 | arif-ali: although it's been stable for a few months, I went through a few months period of flakyness with Virgin; I bought a 4G router as backup | 19:06 |
| arif-ali | penguin42: I tried Virgin 3.5 years ago, cancelled within 14 days. I had spurious SSH timeout issues, which I think was linked o their modem/router. But never went back, as I wanted static IP | 19:08 |
| penguin42 | arif-ali: I don't have much choice here - although having used the 4G router I could live with that | 19:08 |
| daftykins | HFC is truly trash technology - and lets the operator oversubscribe easy | 19:09 |
| daftykins | penguin42: it's time to cut that line! it's the only way! | 19:09 |
| penguin42 | HFC? | 19:09 |
| daftykins | hybrid fiber coax | 19:09 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: Thing is Virgin gets me 100Mb when it works - and that's more than any other choice here - I've not seen if 5G is actually available | 19:10 |
| daftykins | i think you said you're sufficiently away from the student mob such that the 'university town' rule i adopted in my head for cable services might not be so bad, but every time i've seen it or visited friends with it, it's dire and unreliable | 19:11 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: I don't have oversubscription problems noticably | 19:12 |
| daftykins | i used to see the service disappear entirely at about 1am during my own time in Portsmouth but that was over 15 years ago now :> | 19:12 |
| daftykins | at least once a week | 19:13 |
| daftykins | obviously i'm not judging from an isolated incident though | 19:13 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: I'm reasonably convinced the problems here are a broken/dodgy piece of fibre/coax | 19:14 |
| daftykins | what do you see happen and how regularly? | 19:14 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: during the winter it was about once a month but it would take anywhere from a few hours to a few days to fix; when it happened you'd start seeing a lot of packet loss but then combined with T3 timeouts/resync errors on the modem | 19:16 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: So I'm fairly convinced it's a physical level issue | 19:18 |
| daftykins | must be a nightmare to get them to do anything with the coax link from your property out to wherever it leads, i bet they take a lot of convincing | 19:18 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: It's not clear what they've done when they've fixed it - they've not notcibly dug anything up | 19:19 |
| penguin42 | daftykins: The coax terminates in a fairly near streetbox (not sure which of 2 nearest) | 19:20 |
| daftykins | no, no doubt not even a proper fix given the repetition | 19:20 |
| penguin42 | problem is I can't tell what it is - coax? fibre? converter? | 19:20 |
| daftykins | and support won't go into that fine a detail i imagine? or any engineer on a callout? | 19:21 |
| penguin42 | right, *when* I can get through to support I can normally get a fault reference off them, and they might tell me it's an 'area' fault | 19:22 |
| penguin42 | I've not actually had an engineer into the house, wasn't keen on that last winter | 19:22 |
| daftykins | i'd have thought the internal coax is the easy bit you could re-run yourself and then replace without even telling them, so i'd just try and convince an engineer to investigate the next bits | 19:23 |
| penguin42 | mind you, the last time it happened, I saw a Virgin eng get out of his van nearby and asked if that was why he was here, and then told him my address and told him it was T3 timeouts; and well ... | 19:23 |
| daftykins | did it go clear over his head? :P | 19:24 |
| penguin42 | I think he might have been OK with it | 19:24 |
| daftykins | was the gist that he wasn't interested in helping and snubbed you, then? | 19:25 |
| penguin42 | no, I think he might have been OK - I mean it was the last time it happened a few months back... | 19:25 |
| zxmpi | bing has fallen to the commies www.bing.com/images/search?q=tank+man | 20:36 |
| zxmpi | terrahawks are go https://www.engadget.com/japan-transformer-moon-robot-171933181.html | 23:09 |
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