[10:00] allo allo [13:24] happy Friday, team [13:25] bank holiday weekend here so it's extra travelly outside [13:28] ooh my, against rules or? [13:45] country is openish for first time since crimbo and a bank holiday. everyone is on the move [13:47] is it feeling like a zombie film for you to venture out into the wasteland? [13:52] want to get a bit of shopping done but might wait till tomorrow [14:09] sounds good [14:10] oy, wealthy client propped up the TV on polystyrene chunks (new TV i assisted in buying for them up at the farmhouse) and a pet allegedly helped knock it over [14:10] the LCD panel was bowed out on the front and the bezel deformed due to the impact, silly sod tried to push it back into place... [14:10] *CRUNCH* [14:10] the image is now missing a large triangle apparently ¬_¬ [14:12] big and fragile. mounted to a wall would be safer than stacked on wobbly polystyrene [14:12] yeah, it's all temporary due to their only just having bought the place though [14:13] i just did a walkaround of the new-new place yesterday too, so awkward because the renting tenant was still present [14:13] tv didn't even survive their move in [14:13] crazy 2 million quid house [14:14] so enough room to swing a cat [14:14] ...or any other bdsm implement :-P [14:14] current place is bigger but he wants to shift over for some reason, it's going to be terrible [14:15] the infrastructure isn't as bad as i had remembered though, (it was his back in ~2006 when i was away at Uni) maybe 1 network point per room [14:15] maybe the commute from the bedroom to the kitchen is too far :-P [14:16] it's gonna be worse, new place kitchen is in the basement! [14:16] really bad location for broadband too, max option is 40/5 [15:00] you can probably pay for ethernet/fibre to be run if you've got 2 mil for a place [15:01] nah, i asked the ISP - they want over £2,300 per month for 100/100 [15:06] nay, £3,200 [16:44] daftykins: I went through the community-fibre-partnership with BT; they wanted about £2700 to instlal it - based on doing about 100 houses [16:48] (each) [18:13] heh wow [18:34] or you could go with some local companies that are doing FTTP, I found a local one near me, Pine Media 115/20 is £29.99, which isn't too bad [18:35] FTTP is in very limited areas and i'm not even in England so not really the same deal [18:36] oh, I thought this was a UK channel :) [18:37] it is, but the Channel Islands are in that vague spot where they're no way big enough to have their own channel - and are just British enough for me to pester this lot [18:37] ah, ok :) [18:37] Guernsey #1 \o/ [18:42] arif-ali: are Pine managing to work in the same area as Virgin and BT ? [18:42] maybe they're just reselling Openreach's FTTP? [18:43] hmm up Sheffield way eh [18:43] penguin42: I think so, I've not gone that way yet. Based on my understanding is that they use the ducting and BT sections to lay their own fibres [18:45] nice speed tiers but looks very unavailable right now - https://pinemedia.net/ [18:47] yeah, still quite new I think, smells very much like digital region, that happen in this area many years back, and that got discontinued after a few years. I'll wait for a bit [18:50] if you look at they status over the past month, I can't afford for my www to be down for lengthy hours like it did in S6, https://status.pinemedia.net/. So, I think a bit premature to move yet I think [18:51] yeah that's far from ideal, are those partial postcodes or their own service area codes? [18:53] I presume they're partial, it does say a specific area in S6, but still not ideal. I've only had 4 downtimes in the past 5 years with my current provider, so I'll stay for them for a bit yet [19:06] arif-ali: although it's been stable for a few months, I went through a few months period of flakyness with Virgin; I bought a 4G router as backup [19:08] penguin42: I tried Virgin 3.5 years ago, cancelled within 14 days. I had spurious SSH timeout issues, which I think was linked o their modem/router. But never went back, as I wanted static IP [19:08] arif-ali: I don't have much choice here - although having used the 4G router I could live with that [19:09] HFC is truly trash technology - and lets the operator oversubscribe easy [19:09] penguin42: it's time to cut that line! it's the only way! [19:09] HFC? [19:09] hybrid fiber coax [19:10] daftykins: Thing is Virgin gets me 100Mb when it works - and that's more than any other choice here - I've not seen if 5G is actually available [19:11] i think you said you're sufficiently away from the student mob such that the 'university town' rule i adopted in my head for cable services might not be so bad, but every time i've seen it or visited friends with it, it's dire and unreliable [19:12] daftykins: I don't have oversubscription problems noticably [19:12] i used to see the service disappear entirely at about 1am during my own time in Portsmouth but that was over 15 years ago now :> [19:13] at least once a week [19:13] obviously i'm not judging from an isolated incident though [19:14] daftykins: I'm reasonably convinced the problems here are a broken/dodgy piece of fibre/coax [19:14] what do you see happen and how regularly? [19:16] daftykins: during the winter it was about once a month but it would take anywhere from a few hours to a few days to fix; when it happened you'd start seeing a lot of packet loss but then combined with T3 timeouts/resync errors on the modem [19:18] daftykins: So I'm fairly convinced it's a physical level issue [19:18] must be a nightmare to get them to do anything with the coax link from your property out to wherever it leads, i bet they take a lot of convincing [19:19] daftykins: It's not clear what they've done when they've fixed it - they've not notcibly dug anything up [19:20] daftykins: The coax terminates in a fairly near streetbox (not sure which of 2 nearest) [19:20] no, no doubt not even a proper fix given the repetition [19:20] problem is I can't tell what it is - coax? fibre? converter? [19:21] and support won't go into that fine a detail i imagine? or any engineer on a callout? [19:22] right, *when* I can get through to support I can normally get a fault reference off them, and they might tell me it's an 'area' fault [19:22] I've not actually had an engineer into the house, wasn't keen on that last winter [19:23] i'd have thought the internal coax is the easy bit you could re-run yourself and then replace without even telling them, so i'd just try and convince an engineer to investigate the next bits [19:23] mind you, the last time it happened, I saw a Virgin eng get out of his van nearby and asked if that was why he was here, and then told him my address and told him it was T3 timeouts; and well ... [19:24] did it go clear over his head? :P [19:24] I think he might have been OK with it [19:25] was the gist that he wasn't interested in helping and snubbed you, then? [19:25] no, I think he might have been OK - I mean it was the last time it happened a few months back... [20:36] bing has fallen to the commies www.bing.com/images/search?q=tank+man [23:09] terrahawks are go https://www.engadget.com/japan-transformer-moon-robot-171933181.html