[00:47] <Diagon> Anyone have ideas how to turn off touchpad scrolling for gnome terminal?  I'm constantly triggering it while typing causing my cursor to jump around emacs.
[00:58] <sarnold> Diagon: look around for 'palm detection', I think that does the trick
[00:58] <Diagon> sarnold - will do, thanks.
[01:33] <jpmh> I somewhat belatedly upgraded from 18.04 to 20.04 today.  All looks good EXCEPT torsocks no longer seems to work except as root.  I don;'t really even know what to ask, so HELP Please!
[01:35] <sarnold> jpmh: what error messages do you get when using it as a user?
[01:39] <jpmh> sarnold: I get a buch of: 1622770748 WARNING torsocks[23439]: [syscall] Unsupported syscall number 39. Denying the call (in tsocks_syscall() at syscall.c:605)
[01:39] <sarnold> $ ausyscall 39
[01:39] <sarnold> getpid
[01:40] <sarnold> if that's an amd64 system, anyway..
[01:41] <jpmh> sarnold: it is an Intel 64 bit machine,  but I don't understand what you are telling me or asking me to do
[01:41] <sarnold> jpmh: nothing, really, just information about what 39 means
[01:41] <jpmh> sarnold: I do not have a proram ausyscall though
[01:45] <sarnold> jpmh: that's fine, it'll give you the same results it gave me, since you're on an amd64 machine
[01:46] <sarnold> jpmh: does it work if you try other programs?
[01:46] <jpmh> sarnold: so, what now?
[01:50] <sarnold> jpmh: hah, it looks like they switched from denying all unwrapped syscalls to allowing all unwrapped syscalls a few months ago https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/core/torsocks/-/merge_requests/2/diffs
[01:51] <jpmh> sarnold: heading to that reference now - thank you
[01:51] <sarnold> jpmh: the sad news is, it probalby means you'll need to rebuild the package to make it work :/
[01:52] <jpmh> sarnold: YUCK.  It is this typeof thing that is causing us to move from Ubuntu to Debian - TY
[01:54] <sarnold> jpmh: have they fixed it already? I wonder if that'd make it easier to get the fix in ubuntu, too
[01:57] <jpmh> sarnold: realistically we use it SO RARELY that it is not a disaster.  Each coffee shop that has our software is accessible by us using torsocks if in a disaster we can notconnect through our regular open ssh tunnel.  We really do not need tor as the method.  We just want a second, independent method and tor is that
[01:58]  * genii 's ears perk up momentarily at the mention of coffe
[02:02] <jpmh> genii: we have systems in a little over 1200 coffee shops -so coffee has sort of lost its excitement to me
[02:06] <sarnold> buuuuut coffeeee! :)
[02:11] <jpmh> being a supplier to coffee shops I now drink tea instead and Israeli coffee at home
[02:21] <sarnold> jpmh: lol
[02:21] <sarnold> course tea's pretty good too, so that makes sense
[02:25] <matsaman> tea? Why would you drink leaves when you could drink BEANS
[02:25] <matsaman> =P
[02:28] <jpmh> matsaman: indeed - I do use loose leaf tea and do not filter/strain and when I make my coffee at home the grounds are at the bottom of the cup too.   How else can people read my fortune?
[02:29] <jpmh> sarnold: wanted to thank you - have kjust re-compiled and fixed torsocks
[02:29] <matsaman> heh
[02:29] <jpmh> I guess I fixed and then re-compiled atually rather than the reverse order
[02:30] <sarnold> lol
[03:53] <isapgswell> is there a way to disable tcpwrapper?????
[04:30] <Asad2k6> My chrumium browser is not starting after last update please help, it seems a snap connection issue. ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS
[04:41] <Thete> Asad2k6: snap snaps me TF off of ubuntu
[06:52] <WereCatf> I'm just trying to learn how to use Podman and I stumbled upon an issue in enabling the dnsname-plugin for the container-network: this CNI-stuff doesn't find it. The plugin is installed, but it's installed in /usr/lib and that's not where this CNI-stuff is looking for the plugins. So, my question is: am I missing some extra steps or has the dnsname-plugin been packaged wrong by the packagers? Yes, I know
[06:52] <WereCatf> I could just make a symlink in the correct location, but I don't think that should be a required step -- just installing the correct package should allow it to be used straight away.
[06:59] <rustyrocket> I recently created a new AWS instance, and as part of the initialization script upgraded most packages on the system. I suspect apt is stuck somewhere waiting for user input on some package.  I have ssh access to the server, but is there any way to gain access to whichever terminal is running the aws initialization script?
[08:02] <TJ-> !info reptyr | rustyrocket: possibly you could use this
[08:02] <rustyrocket> TJ-: Thanks
[08:09] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> hey, I am trying to fix superstition or video camera/slash software caused glitch
[08:09] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> anybody uses kdenlive
[08:09] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> |?
[08:10] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> there is not plenty of people there
[08:13] <gordonjcp> Ronalds_Mazitis_: it's quite early in the morning still
[08:13] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> no in general
[08:13] <gordonjcp> Ronalds_Mazitis_: I used to use kdenlive
[08:13] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> 8 dudes in whole chatroom
[08:14] <gordonjcp> what chatroom?
[08:14] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I have really deep thoughts about offensive stuff
[08:14] <gordonjcp> are chatrooms even still a thing?
[08:14] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> kdenlive
[08:14] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> #kdenlive
[08:14] <gordonjcp> oh, channel
[08:14] <gordonjcp> okay, what's the issue you're having with kdenlive?
[08:15] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> please don't make this conversation for me  to be robot I am barely functioning
[08:15] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I am trying to fix stain on my pants
[08:15] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I be real obvious
[08:15] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> in video
[08:15] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> 1)I have plenty of video where I am clean
[08:15] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> apperently
[08:16] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I don't remember nothing bad happening
[08:16] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> so I consider two things
[08:16] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> superstition or software slash hardware messing with me
[08:16] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> this is more like mental issue now for me
[08:17] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I don't wish this on anyone
[08:17] <gordonjcp> !support
[08:17] <ThinkT510> you haven't actually described your issue with kdenlive
[08:17] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> so
[08:17] <gordonjcp> Ronalds_Mazitis_: did you actually have an ubuntu support question?
[08:17] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> the issue is I can't take interval of colors
[08:17] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> and change them
[08:17] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> gordoncjp
[08:18] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> yeah, I can't find right tool to fix this on ubuntu
[08:18] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> lmo
[08:18] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> lamo
[08:18] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> there is not enough irc channels
[08:19] <Mekaneck> Ronalds_Mazitis_: can we please leave the offtopic chatter out of this support channel? We'd appreciate it a lot. Thanks.
[08:19] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> color selection or key spill mop up ain't really able to fix this
[08:19] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> dude there was freenode I can't connect anymore
[08:20] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I described my problem in human words cause it's linux for human beings
[08:20] <Mekaneck> Ronalds_Mazitis_: mind listening for once?
[08:20] <gordonjcp> Ronalds_Mazitis_: what are you trying to do?
[08:20] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> Mekaneck, I explained why it is also ubuntu issue
[08:21] <gordonjcp> Ronalds_Mazitis_: also, how much do you know about video editing?
[08:21] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> ffmpeg type stuff
[08:21] <gordonjcp> this sounds like it may be offtopic for #ubuntu, but more down to editing technique
[08:21] <gordonjcp> briefly and only because I'm not in #u-ot and there's very little else happening at 0920 in #ubuntu
[08:22] <gordonjcp> "Key spill" is for cleaning up patches where you've got reflections off a green screen on you
[08:22] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> the real purpose of ubuntu is not just the thing calculating or doing text
[08:22] <gordonjcp> if you are in front of a green screen then it doesn't neatly punch you out necessarily
[08:23] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> well I have to remove gray colors
[08:23] <gordonjcp> the screen is reflecting green light onto you, so if you're holding something shiny it might reflect some green screen and key out, or it might give bright areas like the edges of your face a green colour
[08:23] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> from blue background
[08:23] <gordonjcp> okay, are the grey bits moving?
[08:23] <gordonjcp> relative to the shot?
[08:23] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> yeah
[08:23] <gordonjcp> this is going to be tricky then
[08:23] <gordonjcp> tbh I got rid of kdenlive and went to Davinci Resolve
[08:24] <gordonjcp> it's closed-source but it's Free As In Beer for like 99% of what anyone would use it for
[08:24] <gordonjcp> 200 quid to buy the paid-for version if you want to cut 4k or use really advanced editing
[08:24] <gordonjcp> this is *nothing*
[08:25] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> dudes want money superstition wants money, life wants money, but what chances do they give you
[08:25] <gordonjcp> you even get it free if you buy some of Blackmagic's video equipment, it's bundled with their cameras
[08:25] <gordonjcp> BM really really want folk using DR
[08:25] <gordonjcp> it's what Netflix use!
[08:25] <gordonjcp> Ronalds_Mazitis_: can you post a still of the bit you want to paint out?
[08:25] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> my money is how offended I feel
[08:27] <Mekaneck> sigh
[08:27] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> https://i.ibb.co/xLwzF6x/offended.png
[08:27] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I swear the things you see on screen are damn tricks
[08:28] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> we are living in future type thing already, they want money, the better produce more food better cloathes etc
[08:28] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I did everything I could still got offended
[08:29] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> relatively even idiot is genius
[08:31] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I am not the dude sitting my ass off, I still can't pay for davinci resolve
[08:31] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I should not be paying for some video tricks they put on me anyway
[08:32] <Mekaneck> Ronalds_Mazitis_: last time, can you take your offtopic chatter to #ubuntu-offtopic please? Enough is enough.
[08:32] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> #ubuntu for human beings, I am searching for free software options
[08:32] <Mekaneck> you chit chat has nothing to do with ubuntu support
[08:33] <Mekaneck> !ops
[08:33] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> yeah sorry
[08:34] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> right now, I can't see anybody else having issues with ubuntu
[08:34] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> good job dudes
[08:34] <WereCatf> Youngsters aren't familiar with IRC, so most of them don't have here looking for help
[08:35] <aiena> I just noticed that virtmanager creates the VM storage qcows as root is that dangerous?
[08:35] <WereCatf> s/don't have here/don't come here/
[08:35] <WereCatf> aiena: no, it's not dangerous
[08:36] <aiena> ok so its better to resize the qcows as root
[08:36] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> well, who ever is running the big tech is putting lot of effort in making a buck out of young folks
[08:36] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> what is qcows?
[08:37] <WereCatf> A file-format for qemu.
[08:37] <WereCatf> Specifically, a file-format for qemu disk-images.
[08:38] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> how can that be dangerous
[08:38] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> unless somebody uses root then maybe
[08:42] <Guest3823> Hey, i have a question regarding the snap devices in dev/loop/..   they are displayed like usb-sticks in the ubuntu ui, which is a little bit annoying because sometimes there are more then 15 of those volumes displayed. Does anyone know why they are displayed there and if i can be turned off somehow?
[08:44] <WereCatf> Guest3823: they're not supposed to show up. I have no idea what's causing them to show up for you, but I'd start with nuking your entire home-directory and starting from scratch, seeing if that fixes it.
[08:44] <joyce72> Hi! So I am trying to install Ubuntu on a machine with 6 disks; an existing ZFS pool already exists on the machine that uses all 6 disks
[08:45] <joyce72> when I go ahead with the install though, I see that the installer creates its own pool on one of the disks, and my existing pool is now marked as degraded
[08:46] <joyce72> is it possible to get the installer to just install on the existing pool?
[08:52] <aiena> I had just used qemu-img to resize my kvm image file. In the VM I then livebooted using the ubuntu ISO and I get https://paste.opensuse.org/97751546 I am so confused. Image was 10gb bebefore I resized it to 20GB. Now the ext4 partition shows 20gb but unallocated is also 10GB how?
[08:53] <aiena> the guest is an ubuntu vm too but that should not matter.
[08:54] <WereCatf> aiena: you only resized the disk-image, not the partitions and filesystems inside it. You obviously still have to do that inside the VM itself.
[08:54] <aiena> WereCatf: yes I am trying to do that
[08:54] <aiena> I would have expected the ext4 partition to be 10 gb
[08:54] <aiena> but it is 20 GB see image
[08:55] <aiena> the original qcow img size was 10gb so the partition should have been <10gb
[08:57] <aiena> i am just rebooting the vm without the live  boot with no changes to see so confused
[08:57] <aiena> i never resized anything so how the partition is 20GB now
[08:58] <WereCatf> aiena: Well, your disk-image is also 30GB instead of 20GB, so I assume you did something like 'qemu-img resize filename +20G" instead of 'qemu-image resize filename 20G"
[08:58] <aiena> WereCatf: no my disk image is 20GB it was 10 GB
[08:59] <aiena> but gparted shows it as 20gb + 10gb the qcow is 20GB only
[09:00] <aiena> ait let me check again
[09:03] <WereCatf> aiena: qemu-img info yourdiskimage.file
[09:03] <WereCatf> Pretty sure you've just gotten confused at some point and it is actually 30GB
[09:04] <aiena> WereCatf: see https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c2bFjcr8gQ/
[09:04] <aiena> the du-h is the physical size
[09:04] <aiena> the qemu-img size is 32 gb somehow idk how it is possible
[09:05] <aiena> virtumanager made the disk
[09:05] <aiena> how is virtual size 30gb while real size 20gb?
[09:06] <WereCatf> aiena: that's perfectly normal. Under most modern OSes, it's possible to make a file of a specific size, but it's not actually all allocated on the disk until it's needed.
[09:07] <aiena> WereCatf: it looks like qemu-img also resized my ext4 partition in the vm without me having to use a live iso
[09:07] <WereCatf> It'll grow to the full 30GB on your disk, if you write full 30GB of data in it, but until then, it'll only be the size of the data inside it
[09:07] <aiena> ah so if I resize beyonf 30gb then I need to use a liveboot to resize the ext54 one as well
[09:08] <aiena> *ext4
[09:11] <hasdf> WereCatf Guest3823 I guess nuking the home directory is a bit harsh :D
[09:12] <WereCatf> hasdf: If you have a better idea, then go ahead and say it. As I said, I have no idea what setting controls whether those loopback-devices show up or not on the desktop and nuking the home-dir is the quickest way of resetting all the settings to defaults.
[09:13] <toddc> loopback is the network for containers all all newer vertions of ubuntu
[09:14] <WereCatf> toddc: there are far more loopback-devices than just networking-loopbacks.
[09:15] <toddc> ok I just poped in and hated to have you kill all your container apps
[09:16] <toddc> when I first started with 20.04 and saw those I thought it was a problem
[09:16] <aiena> WereCatf: oops the qemu-img-resize command is increasing the virtual disk size but not the real disk size so it can't save anything more than 10gb
[09:17] <aiena> how to rezie the qcow file?
[09:19] <aiena> i think i understood what is happening
[09:20] <WereCatf> aiena: what? You already resized the image. Whatever issues you have are on the VM-side.
[09:21] <aiena> yes true
[09:21] <aiena> the vm will not allow me to expand the root partition even in liveboot
[09:21] <aiena> i can repartition unallocated added space as anew parttion from liveboot
[09:21] <TJ-> Guest3823: /dev/loop* are 'loopdev' block devices, used by snap one per snap where the snap image files is exposed
[09:22] <TJ-> aiena: it's always preferable to use LVM from the install, so when you need to do things like this it is a trivial operation
[09:22] <aiena> TJ-: I am new to vms etc
[09:22] <TJ-> aiena: if you've multiple partitions, and you need to expaned #1 when #2 is directly after it, that isn't possible without first moving #2
[09:23] <WereCatf> aiena: Are you trying to expand the extended partition or the ext4-partition inside it? You need to expand the extended partition first.
[09:23] <aiena> TJ-: see https://paste.opensuse.org/97751546 image
[09:23] <aiena> WereCatf: oh
[09:23] <aiena> let me see
[09:24] <aiena> launching the liveboot again.
[09:25] <aiena> WereCatf: thank you
[09:25] <TJ-> aiena: ah, just seen your gparted image, and it is easy to expand that, although for novices it sounds scary! You record the starting sectors of the logical and extended partitions, then delete them, then recreate the extended at the same starting sector but using all unallocated space, then recreate the logical at the same starting sector and using all available space
[09:25] <aiena> i didn't know I had to expand the expanded partition first
[09:26] <TJ-> aiena: just do NOT let gparted do any formatting else it'll wipe what is there.
[09:26] <llutz> and next time better use gpt
[09:26] <WereCatf> TJ-: that's rubbish
[09:26] <TJ-> aiena: they're all just containers, with a 'start' and 'length' in sectors, plus a type
[09:26] <aiena> llutz: its a VM
[09:26] <TJ-> WereCatf: I do it almost daily
[09:26] <llutz> aiena: and?
[09:27] <aiena> ah well idk why the vm never used GPT
[09:28] <TJ-> aiena: is that VM booting using UEFI? since there is a fat32 file-system first it looks like that may be the EFI-SP (system partition)
[09:29] <aiena> TJ-: I don't know i let virtmanager install ubuntu how it wanted
[09:29] <TJ-> aiena: when it comes down to it, those partitions you need to edit are only 16 bytes of data each, containing starting sector, size, type, and flags
[09:29] <aiena> i have pulseaudio tweaks to make the sound latency go away that is all
[09:29] <TJ-> aiena: You can check in virt-manager in the info pages
[09:30] <aiena> TJ-: just says virtIO disk
[09:30] <TJ-> aiena: Guest > Info > Overview >Firmware will be BIOS or UEFI
[09:30] <aiena> firmware says BIOS
[09:31] <aiena> so guess its non UEFI
[09:31] <TJ-> aiena: OK, so that 512MB FAT is weird and likely unused !
[09:31] <aiena> yes most likely
[09:31] <aiena> on my host also I ended up using non UEFI
[09:31] <aiena> because I had a nightmare with signed drivers
[09:32] <TJ-> aiena: Because I prefer using tools that don't surprise me, for what you're doing I'd actually use command-line tools and directly from the host, against the guest image file itself, rather than booting the guest via a LiveISO
[09:33] <TJ-> aiena: my reasoning would be that I don't trust gparted to NOT try to format a partition, but having said that, if gparted allows you to first extend the size of the 'extended' partition so it contains free space, then expand the vda5, you /should/ be fine :) - just check the list of actions it intends to perform before allowing it to go ahead!
[09:33] <aiena> hmm what WereCatf said worked. After resizing th extended and then the inner partition i now have 10 gb more free space inside my VM
[09:34] <WereCatf> TJ-: I do have to ask, why does any of that matter? I helped aiena get their issue sorted and now they know to expand the extended-partition first as well, so I don't see why any of that is relevant.
[09:34] <TJ-> WereCatf: knowledge
[09:34] <WereCatf> TJ-: More like confusing someone less-experienced with an overload of stuff they don't really need at this point.
[09:35] <aiena> TJ-: well gparted would not allow me to resize the inner partition without extended the extended part first so it does one thing right
[09:35] <TJ-> people are often scared of what look like complicated processes until they understand what is going on under the hood (in this case simply changing 8 bytes!
[09:35] <TJ-> aiena: that is expected of course
[09:36] <TJ-> aiena: if you're interested in a wider understanding of the boot process see https://iam.tj/prototype/guides/boot/
[09:36] <aiena> TJ-: its actually funny
[09:36] <aiena> the 512mb part is used by the VM
[09:37] <aiena> it is mouted to /boot/efi
[09:37] <TJ-> aiena: now that is where we'd expect it be for an UEFI boot!
[09:37] <aiena> so the VM is installed with UEFI
[09:38] <aiena> but virtmanager says BIOS
[09:38] <WereCatf> aiena: no, Ubuntu's installer just creates the boot-partition regardless, unless you do manual partitioning.
[09:38] <aiena> as firmware
[09:38] <WereCatf> It's still BIOS
[09:38] <aiena> oh ok
[09:39] <aiena> WereCatf: maybe because the host does not use UEFI the guest can't?
[09:39] <aiena> my windows partition uses UEFI the linux one is just BIOS
[09:40] <aiena> so I need to switch to windows in the bios not through GRUB
[09:40] <WereCatf> aiena: No, that's irrelevant. I mean, it's a virtual machine and whatever firmware is running inside it is also running on virtual hardware -- it's not dependent on the host's firmware.
[09:40] <aiena> oh
[09:41] <aiena> is there a way to make kvm use UEFI firmware is there any benefit?
[09:41] <WereCatf> aiena: For most things, no, there is no benefit. You'll need UEFI, if you plan on doing PCIe-passthrough, but other than that, it's more a matter of taste.
[09:43] <WereCatf> Some more esoteric OSes may not be compatible with UEFI, like e.g. I can't remember if OpenWRT can boot on a UEFI-system nowadays or if it still requires BIOS
[09:44] <WereCatf> That's more of a niche-thing though
[09:45] <aiena> WereCatf: you will need UEFI for pCIE passthrough even when the host does not use it?
[09:47] <aiena> WereCatf: this is an unrelated and not so troublesome problem. I use a graphics tablet in my guest. With spice-vdagent installed in the guest passing through the usb device to the VM used to cause 2 cursors which would fight with each other but wuthout spece-vdagent with a captured mouse the mose tends to not move smmothly but jerkily.
[09:49] <WereCatf> aiena: I have no idea what's causing that or how to fix. I don't have graphics-tablets or such, nor do I have any need to connect such things to my VMs. Sorry.
[09:49] <aiena> no worries
[09:49] <aiena> it's not too troublesome xD
[09:50] <aiena> if the VMs are just server ssh is enough
[09:50] <WereCatf> aiena: try and ask on #qemu at irc.oftc.net -- they're far more likely to be of help there.
[09:59] <aiena> i did but like you said it may be very uncommon usecase
[09:59] <aiena> i even tried floating the cursor with xinput in the VM
[10:00] <aiena> but that hardly helped
[10:00] <WereCatf> Mmkay
[10:00] <aiena> i am guessing the spice cursor has some special mechanism
[10:00] <aiena> what makes it buttery smooth is also what hurts
[10:10] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> well color selection plugin in kdenlive does not do anything
[10:10] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> you select color and nothing happens on slider
[10:21] <aiena> Ronalds_Mazitis_: that might be a bug in kdenlive. THe kdenlive guys usually recommend using the appimage vs ubuntu repo version
[10:22] <Square> Maybe OT but how do you people install Discord on ubuntu 20.04? After having so much trouble with the snapcrafters release I switched to Canary, and no i have to reinstall it every 3 weeks.
[10:22] <aiena> Square: I don't use snaps
[10:22] <aiena> I just have the tarball in my home directory I made a ~/discord.sh to launch discord
[10:23] <aiena> so I don't need to type full paths
[10:23] <aiena> since it is in my home dir it auto updates too
[10:23] <Square> so you dont need to reinstall it often like that?
[10:23] <Square> what does your tarball contain and where did you get it?
[10:23] <aiena> no I have bypassed package management entirely
[10:24] <aiena> download it from the discord website
[10:24] <aiena> extract it in a folder and there is a "discord" executable in there my discord.sh just contais "~.path/to/discord" in side it with the hasbang and I chmod+x'd it
[10:25] <aiena> Square: for software i manage personally i avoid package management if it is unnecessary
[10:26] <aiena> i do the package management for those
[10:26] <aiena> and if things break they are my personal headache but that rarely happens if ever
[10:26] <Square> ok. Ill try that. Thanks aiena
[10:26] <aiena> * "~/path/to/discord"
[10:27] <aiena> Square: https://discord.com/brand-new/download choose the tar.gz option not the .deb
[10:27] <oerheks> weird advice, why not the deb?
[10:27] <aiena> because you don't need root all the time then
[10:28] <aiena> no other reason
[10:28] <oerheks> also weird ..
[10:28] <oerheks> one needs root only to install.
[10:28] <aiena> and update too
[10:28] <oerheks> so?
[10:28] <aiena> nevermind
[10:28] <oerheks> you are making statements that does not match ubuntu support.
[10:29] <aiena> yes I don't want ubuntu support for these things
[10:29] <aiena> i mentioned that above
[10:29] <aiena> " and if things break they are my personal headache but that rarely happens if ever"
[10:29] <aiena> even if I compile from source I cannot expect ubuntu support for those things either
[10:29] <pikapika> How to downgrade a package?
[10:29] <pikapika> Its my fault
[10:30] <aiena> except maybe deps
[10:30] <pikapika> I should have pinned it when there was time
[10:30] <pikapika> Firefox is notorious for ignoring system update rules and updating surreptitiously on its own
[10:30] <aiena> huh
[10:30] <oerheks> only the snap version updates independantly
[10:30] <pikapika> aiena, yeah I got the ugly version when I restarted
[10:31] <oerheks> and why is an up2date firefox bad?
[10:31] <pikapika> I explicitly have disabled apt auto updates for months
[10:31] <aiena> oerheks: they changed the UI
[10:31] <aiena> pikapika: that is strange
[10:31] <aiena> then your FF must be not from apt
[10:31] <pikapika> Its the system firefox
[10:31] <aiena> because i needed to upgrade manually
[10:31] <pikapika> the one from xubuntu default installation\
[10:31] <aiena> then you must have allowed it to upgrade with the rest
[10:32] <pikapika> This has happened in the past too
[10:32] <pikapika> FF ignores system upgrade rules and does its own thing
[10:32] <pikapika> ANyways
[10:32] <pikapika> How do we downgrade an apt package?
[10:32] <pikapika> I'll forcefully pin it this time
[10:32] <aiena> pikapika: well i use gui clients and do manual updates
[10:32] <aiena> i wasnt aware of the gui change
[10:32] <pikapika> I don't know how to use gui clients
[10:33] <aiena> it is ugly yes but FF upgrades are more than just UI
[10:33] <pikapika> I'd just like to keep it fixed in a slightly older version for a few months
[10:33] <aiena> i never knew thay had made ff ugly though
[10:33] <aiena> so now I am just living with it xD
[10:34] <aiena> not fond of chrome have chromium when i need to separate tasks
[10:34] <pikapika> All "ui designers" in the world should be lined up and shot
[10:34] <aiena> but ff is my main driver I hate how my plugin looks now
[10:34] <aiena> pikapika: one plus is that FF now has a consistent UI
[10:35] <pikapika> "UI designer" is a paradoxical name. "UI designers" actually make shit worse.
[10:35] <aiena> so going forward they can improve the yukiness quotient consistently across all oses
[10:35] <oerheks> pikapika, please tone down
[10:35] <aiena> pikapika: UI designers are not usability designers but still
[10:35] <aiena> every service provider has their value
[10:35] <aiena> design is experimentation and creativity it can fail
[10:36] <pikapika> Design is a science and engineering
[10:36] <pikapika> Its not "creativity" or "art"
[10:36] <aiena> really engineering is also creativty
[10:36] <aiena> engineering is also art
[10:37] <pikapika> Yes but its real creativity
[10:37] <aiena> it may use scientific principles but still
[10:37] <pikapika> Not "fake" creativity of dabbling random colors and copying apple's mistakes
[10:37] <aiena> well
[10:37] <pikapika> Oh of course I forgot. Modern design is about removing colors and borders.
[10:38] <aiena> idk man
[10:38] <oerheks> is there any support issue in this rant?
[10:38] <pikapika> How do I downgrade a package?
[10:38] <oerheks> remove it, and find the older version
[10:39] <pikapika> Ok
[10:39] <aiena> pikapika: i think you can specify a version to install with apt install too
[10:39] <aiena> *apt-get
[10:39] <pikapika> I found an askubuntu thread listing that method, yes
[10:40] <oerheks> aiena, not sure that can be done for firefox too
[10:40] <pikapika> What does firefox do differently?
[10:40] <aiena> oerheks: even I don't know
[10:40] <aiena> i don;t think it's wise to downgrade because other security fixes etc are lost too
[10:40] <aiena> FF is a browser above all but anyway
[10:41] <aiena> to me the redesign isn't so bad just different and it won't bother me soon enough
[10:41] <aiena> i just need to add css to my plugin as the new default styling sucks most websites already use css styling so ...
[10:42] <pikapika> What universe do ui designers live in?
[10:42] <aiena> pikapika: take this to chat :P
[10:42] <pikapika> chat?
[10:43] <Mekaneck> pikapika: offtopic
[10:43] <pikapika> I have deliberately changed icons for maximize, minimize, close to have a thinner window panel, and firefox ruined the hard earned vertical space...and also looks disconnected, borderless and weird
[10:43] <aiena> pikapika:  /j #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:43] <pikapika> Yes
[10:44] <Mekaneck> aiena: he's there and he should know offtopic banter belongs there ;)
[10:44] <aiena> oh lawl
[10:44] <pikapika> Mekaneck, sorry for the argument generated from the auto upgrade
[11:50] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> hey I installed davinci resolve on ubuntu
[11:50] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> but it fails to start
[11:50] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> Failed to load config file "%u".resolve: /home/jenkins/jenkins/workspace/resolve@2/Resolve/Cyclone/Main/AppConfig.cpp:204: void AppConfig::LoadAllSiteInfo(): Assertion `m_SiteEnabledIdx > 0' failed.
[11:54] <aiena> huh why us jenkind up there in a release
[11:54] <oerheks> davinci resolve is not in our repos ..
[11:54] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I installed it as dude suggested here
[11:54] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I don't even have such username
[11:54] <aiena> yeah you're out of luck there unless someone else has it installed and is aware of how to resolve it
[11:55] <aiena> Ronalds_Mazitis_: it's a more powerful video editor
[11:55] <aiena> needs lots of resources but yeah
[11:55] <oerheks> good luck finding support, i see lots of blogs for 16.2 ..  and makeresolvedeb https://www.danieltufvesson.com/makeresolvedeb
[12:01] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> Checking for fakeroot...Missing! Sorry, need 'fakeroot' to continue.
[12:52] <rjwiii> Good morning ... I am STILL getting a "Software Updater" window with nothing in it ... I click on "Install Now" and the window blips and comes back the same. I updated on CLI and it is still happening ... Ubuntu 20.04 with all the latest updates ...
[13:04] <aiena> rjwiii: I remember software centre was a snap maybe you need to remove and reinstall
[13:04] <aiena> i use a few buntu's so a bit less in touch with ubuntu
[13:08] <sixwheeledbeast> software centre is a snap but that wouldn't be related to the software updater.
[13:14] <remline> rjwiii: So does 'apt list ?upgradable' show nothing?
[13:17] <rjwiii> remline: output: "Listing... Done"
[13:37] <wez> We don't need war, peace mate!
[14:43] <tom_mai78101> Question, if I just successfully reinstalled Ubuntu 20.04.02 LTS, and the PC still shows black screen after a reboot, is it possible that the SSD on the PC is failing?
[14:43] <mybalzitch> is the bios set to boot the right device?
[14:44] <tom_mai78101> There is no grub menu. The BIOS is set to boot to the right device. There are no USBs plugged in after installation (and it did warn me to pull the USB out before pressing Enter)
[14:44] <ThinkT510> !nomodeset
[14:47] <kn100> So I've got a 500GB btrfs partition that lives on a disk that is 500GB. I have a 120GB disk I'd like to migrate it to. Anyone got any suggestions for the best approach to do this? I am thinking resize the partition down to as small as I can get it, dding the drive to an image, and then writing the image to the 120gb drive, and then resizing it to
[14:47] <kn100> fill the 120gb drive.
[14:49] <tom_mai78101> ThinkT510, there is no grub menu. Repeatedly tapping ESC bears no result. Thus, I can't use the nomodeset parameter trick
[14:50] <tom_mai78101> There isn't any terminals running, also.
[14:51] <tom_mai78101> I'm really thinking that it's an SSD failure, and not an Ubuntu thing.
[14:51] <ThinkT510> you could boot a liveusb and mount the disk that way to make changes
[14:51] <tom_mai78101> oh, right, forgot about the live usb.
[14:52] <ThinkT510> typically booting to a black screen indicates a graphics issue
[14:53] <tom_mai78101> black screen with no backlights on = graphics issue?
[14:53] <tom_mai78101> Or black screen with backlights on?
[14:54] <tom_mai78101> There is a difference. And online resources doesn't explain these two well.
[14:56] <tom_mai78101> Hmmm, did a SMART check, and it passed, so I now no longer think it's an SSD issue.
[14:58] <oerheks> some systems accept shift, others esc to enter boot menu
[14:59] <oerheks> (left shift)
[14:59] <tom_mai78101> ok, I'll try the Shift
[14:59] <oerheks> see the grub manual too
[14:59] <oerheks> !grub
[15:26] <TJ-> I seem to have discovered a bug (20.04), possibly in NetworkManager, with handling of IPv6 RA-PD where there are multiple gateway routers on-link. In our scenario there are 2 global routers, one if which advetises 'high' preference for its route. But on the NM client "ip -6 route show default" reveals both as nexthops but the 'high' preference attached to the /OTHER/ router!
[15:26] <tom_mai78101> I'm able to open up /etc/default/grub on the problematic Linux partition on /dev/sda inside the Live USB Ubuntu. Where can I put "nomodeset" in the Grub2?
[15:27] <tom_mai78101> Correction, it's /mnt/etc/default/grub that I can open in the Live USB
[15:27] <TJ-> tom_mai78101: GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="... nomodeset"
[15:28] <tom_mai78101> thanks
[15:28] <TJ-> tom_mai78101: but you'll need to configure a chroot at /mnt/  in order to also run "chroot /mnt update-grub"
[15:28] <tom_mai78101> oh, forgot how to do chroot at /mnt
[15:29] <TJ-> tom_mai78101: so, that means become UID 0 in Live ("sudo -i") then "for n in proc sys dev; do mount --rbind /$n /mnt/$n; done" then "chroot /mnt mount -a" then finally "chroot /mnt update-grub"
[15:30] <leslie> hi there
[15:31] <leslie> since ubuntu support now uses libera for chat ( irc ), is there a snap for the web irc client ? ( snapcraft io )
[15:31] <leslie> or has anyone build a appimage mabye ?
[15:31] <tom_mai78101> Cool, thanks TJ
[15:32] <oerheks> no, just use hexchat and add the libera server and details https://askubuntu.com/questions/1339682/how-do-i-connect-to-libera-chat-with-hexchat
[15:32] <leslie> hee oerheks , leuk je te zien ( virtueel )
[15:32] <oerheks> some details for irssi and other clients, i guess
[15:34] <tom_mai78101> I added nomodeset in /mnt/etc/default/grub, did chroot to update-grub, restarted the PC, still black screen
[15:36] <tom_mai78101> There was nothing showing up. No text at all. There is no backlight also, and it's not the issue where the PC screen is so dim you can't see anything.
[15:37] <qa6> hello! where can I download Ubuntu certified virtio drivers as an Ubuntu Advantage free user on 20.04 ? is it really available up until 16.04 ???
[15:39] <ioria> tom_mai78101, then you need to make grub show (in order to boot Recovery); boot the live, chroot; edit /e/d/grub and  set GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=menu and uncomment   GRUB_TERMINAL=console (if you are on 20.04); run update-grub , reboot
[15:40] <tom_mai78101> there's a crackling and high pitch noise when rebooting.
[15:40] <tom_mai78101> Is that normal for Ubuntu?
[15:41] <ioria> tom_mai78101, are you trolling ?
[15:41] <tom_mai78101> no I'm not
[15:41] <ioria> you should know that would be an HW issue
[15:42] <oerheks> cable issue, no proper ground
[15:43] <tom_mai78101> Maybe I didn't plug the cables in properly...
[15:43] <oerheks> or close to a high frequent monitor cable..
[15:58] <juliatuttle> hey, I'm running stock 21.04, and I'm trying to disable ssh-agent in X/Wayland sessions so I can use gpg-agent's ssh agent emulation instead
[15:58] <juliatuttle> I followed these https://gist.github.com/artizirk/d09ce3570021b0f65469cb450bee5e29 instructions, but I still end up with a running ssh-agent, and SSH_AUTH_SOCK still points to it
[16:01] <juliatuttle> any ideas on how to properly disable it?
[16:14] <esv> hello folks, any advice on how to engage Canonical support for an image running on Azure? the name of the image is: 0001-com-ubuntu-pro-bionic-fips
[16:18] <wedr_> ioria, thanks. I fixed it.
[16:19] <juliatuttle> update: it's started by systemd, not the X session autostart stuff, so I'm gonna try systemctl --user edit gnome-keyring-ssh.service and marking it as not part of the graphical session pre target.
[16:21] <rube> esv: https://ubuntu.com/azure/contact-us ?
[16:22] <esv> thnx
[16:31] <RupertEverton> Hello everyone, I hope this is the right place to ask. I've attempted to perform an (almost)-full-disk encryption following TJ's guide, but when I start my system and enter the decryption password, I get stuck in grub with "Loading initial ramdisk ..." "_". I seem to have UEFI/NVidia/nouveau/modeset issues. Anyone able to help? Thank you in advance
[16:59] <apb1963> 20.04; What's the best/easiest/simplest way/method/tool to merge 3 different images or image files into one image/file?
[17:01] <apb1963> I have several screenshots I'd rather merge into one file.
[17:03] <gabrielc> apb1963: tar?
[17:03] <apb1963> Once I have that answer I have a question regarding my printer that I can't get going.  The screenshots are for that issue.
[17:04] <apb1963> gabrielc, Thank you for the suggestion but that's not what I meant.
[17:04] <leftyfb> apb1963: https://superuser.com/a/290679
[17:04] <apb1963> gabrielc, I suppose it's probably more of a photoshop/gimp/inkscape kind of deal but...
[17:05] <leftyfb> apb1963: https://legacy.imagemagick.org/Usage/compose/#compose
[17:06] <charoniv> hello
[17:06] <apb1963> leftyfb, Yes, that's more like what I'm thinking.  I've never heard of convert nor montage so I'll give those a try.  Thanks!
[17:09] <apb1963> By the way, if anyone knows of a paste site that will accept multiple ste buffer pastes
[17:09] <apb1963> ugh.  ignore that
[17:10] <apb1963> Hit enter by accident
[17:10] <apb1963> By the way, if anyone knows of a paste site that will accept multiple clipboard pastes for one image, that would work too.
[17:11] <apb1963> In fact I'd like that better since right now I have to save the screenshots vs just copy & paste.  snipboard.io accepts only one screenshot/paste per image so while it's good.. it's not good enough for this particular task.
[17:12] <mosfet> https://postimages.org/ idk if this is what you're looking for, but just know this site is probably scraping an insane amount of data if you use
[17:16] <apb1963> mosfet, That looks like a pretty good site that's 90% of what I'd prefer, but lacks the ability to paste from clipboard... so I still have to create files out of screenshots.
[17:16] <apb1963> mosfet, close, but no cigar.  Thanks though!  Much appreciated!
[17:17] <mosfet> how about this https://pasteboard.co/
[17:21] <leftyfb> apb1963: this is a lot of work just to share 3 screenshots to us for troubleshooting a completely different issue. Why not just post the 3 screenshots to imgur.com separately and post the links here? You'd be done a half hour ago
[17:26] <apb1963> mosfet, That's the same as snipboard.io  Neither takes multiple pastes.  But thank you!
[17:26] <apb1963> leftyfb, Yeah... I was trying to make it easier on you guys but ok... I'll just do the multiple links.
[17:29] <apb1963> As mentioned, I have printing issues.  This worked last week, but not now.  CUPS says there are no printers.  So, I tried to ADD a printer.  This is the first screenshot.  You can see which I chose.  https://snipboard.io/CwSAfW.jpg"https://snipboard.io/CwSAfW.jpg
[17:30] <apb1963> ok so I put the link twice :|
[17:31] <apb1963> Selecting that led to this: https://snipboard.io/KIHP2n.jpg
[17:32] <apb1963> Notice the repeats.  Is that normal?  In any event, I tried the first one and got an error and came here.  Now, I've tried the second one and it has added it.  So let me go back to trying to print.
[17:35] <apb1963> So... libreoffice; multiple printers to choose from although I only have the one.  It gets an error printing.
[17:36] <apb1963> The CUPS queue says "processing".  It's a 1 page document.
[17:37] <apb1963> Oh, right before the error it said it was connecting to the printer.  So, maybe that's what failed.
[17:38] <apb1963> syslog says:
[17:38] <apb1963> Jun  4 10:37:42 yellow hp[21230]: io/hpmud/musb.c 389: Active kernel driver on interface=0 ret=0
[17:38] <apb1963> Jun  4 10:37:42 yellow hp[21230]: io/hpmud/musb.c 515: invalid claim_interface ff/cc/0: Device or resource busy
[17:38] <apb1963> Jun  4 10:37:42 yellow hp[21230]: prnt/backend/hp.c 825: INFO: open device failed stat=21: hp:/usb/ENVY_5530_series?serial=CN57A5636Z05XT; will retry in 30 seconds...
[17:39] <apb1963> Replugging USB cable.
[17:40] <apb1963> So, that's about it.  No joy.
[17:43] <mosfet> do you have "HPLIP Toolbox" installed?
[17:43] <Sven_vB> hi :) how do I find which instruments are supported in sox in Ubuntu focal? In the manpage I can find some synth instrument names indirectly, because for some options it describes which instruments support these options. I can't find a full list though.
[17:45] <apb1963> mosfet, Great question!  I don't know.  If it doesn't figure out that it needs it on it's own, then probably not.
[17:45] <mosfet> install that and then run sudo hp-plugin
[17:45] <mosfet> that might solve issue
[17:46] <apb1963> mosfet, I guess I kinda figured if it recognizes the printer it should be able to print to it.  I guess not.
[17:46] <mosfet> scratch the root on that command though
[17:47] <mosfet> yeah some hardware is weird depending on kernel etc
[17:48] <Sven_vB> nevermind, now I found it in the man page.
[17:48] <apb1963> mosfet, So apparently I have to download hplip-3.20.9.run
[17:49] <mosfet> is that an unmet dependency?
[17:49] <apb1963> mosfet, from here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/hplip/files/hplip/   Is that your understanding as well?
[17:49] <RupertEverton> Hello everyone, quick question: is anyone able to help with a UEFI/NVidia/nouveau/modeset issue?
[17:50] <mosfet> hmmm
[17:50] <apb1963> mosfet, No it's instructions from this page: https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2020/09/hplip-3-20-9-released-still-not-install-in-ubuntu-20-04/
[17:50] <mosfet> I would try it
[17:50] <Guest43> Hi, can anyone please help me with my question - https://askubuntu.com/questions/1342310/grub-install-issue-unable-to-boot-ubuntu
[17:50] <mosfet> a lot of shat reviews on it
[17:50] <apb1963> mosfet, OK, will do.  Thanks!
[17:51] <mosfet> i'd be weary of source forge
[17:51] <mosfet> i'm sure lots of good software, but..
[17:51] <RupertEverton> Guest43 have you tried Boot-Repair? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[17:51] <apb1963> so is that the official ubuntu stance on hplip?
[17:52] <Guest43> RupertEverton No,  I havent. Never heard of it. I can try now.
[17:52] <mosfet> I run mint I wouldn't really know lol no one else seems to be interested in issue, either way may more to private message as to not offend the crusties
[17:53] <apb1963> mosfet, Seems to already be installed:
[17:53] <apb1963> hplip/focal,now 3.20.3+dfsg0-2 amd64 [installed,automatic]
[17:53] <apb1963>   HP Linux Printing and Imaging System (HPLIP)
[17:53] <apb1963> hplip-data/focal,focal,now 3.20.3+dfsg0-2 all [installed,automatic]
[17:53] <apb1963>   HP Linux Printing and Imaging - data files
[17:53] <apb1963> oh ok, we can go private.
[17:54] <apb1963> maybe I just need to run the gui
[17:55] <apb1963> Nothing is ever easy.  "You must log in with services to message this user"
[17:56] <apb1963> mosfet, ^^^
[17:56] <mosfet> yeah it's because of a flag I have set
[17:57] <apb1963> I don't even know what it's talking about.
[17:58] <mosfet> its just saying it wants you to authenticate with services, as in register your nick and then identify, it's all good IRC old protocol it's not the most user friendly thing in the world
[17:58] <mosfet> XMPP superior imo
[17:58] <apb1963> As far as I know, that's already been done when I logged in.
[17:58] <mosfet> yeah idk then
[17:59] <apb1963> well, this is a tech support channel for ubuntu and I have tech support questions and nobody has complained yet so...
[17:59] <mosfet> yeah probably mostly bots in this chan hahaha
[17:59] <apb1963> Could be.  I don't know.
[17:59] <mosfet> i'm still searching
[18:00] <apb1963> 'k
[18:00] <mosfet> https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=85454
[18:01] <mosfet> maybe this
[18:01] <mosfet> sounds similar
[18:01] <mosfet> Anyone else who gets this problem and freaks out: All you have to do is go to the CUPS printer administration page and click "Resume Printer".
[18:02] <mosfet> either that or install avahi daemon
[18:03] <apb1963> mosfet, No that's not it... my choices are "cancel job" or "move job".  I'm running hp-doctor, will have results in a minute.
[18:08] <apb1963> mosfet, https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/NqPZDRbVjX/
[18:09] <mosfet> yeah just look at that output, say's can't update and ton of missing dependencies
[18:11] <mosfet> a little above my pay grade as well sir, sorry about it.
[18:11] <apb1963> mosfet, I understand.  Thank you kindly for your efforts!
[18:11] <mosfet> yeah np
[18:11] <apb1963> what's the most baffling is the fact that this was working not long ago.
[18:13] <RupertEverton> wait, may sound silly but have you tried sudo apt dist-upgrade or full-upgrade ?
[18:14] <apb1963> RupertEverton, No.  I use apt-get upgrade until it tells me there are held back packages at which point I do apt-get dist-upgrade.  I've never done full-upgrade ever on any version starting with 12.04
[18:15] <RupertEverton> fair
[18:16] <apb1963> This sure doesn't fill me with hope: Checking for Dependencies....[0m
[18:16] <apb1963> [35;01mwarning: [01mubuntu-20.04 version is not supported. Using ubuntu-19.10 versions dependencies to verify and install...[0m[0m
[18:16] <apb1963> See, I didn't do anything special to get the printer working.. it just worked.  Until very recently.
[18:16] <mosfet> check the source forge version agains the one on your system
[18:17] <apb1963> HPLIP-Version: HPLIP 3.20.3
[18:17] <mosfet> is that the same as source forge version?
[18:19] <apb1963> 3.21.4
[18:19] <mosfet> mmhm
[18:19] <mosfet> so you're probably going to want to run the newest version
[18:19] <apb1963> Yeah, but then I'm outside the distribution.
[18:19] <apb1963> And that's bad.
[18:19] <mosfet> either that or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9wsjroVlu8
[18:22] <apb1963> mosfet, except that there's nothing wrong with the printer.  It's the software that communicates with the printer that isn't working.
[18:22] <apb1963> Which gives me an idea... I'll reboot the printer.
[18:28] <apb1963> mosfet, so that was interesting.  It added 2 new printers... neither worked when I moved the job to each one.
[18:32] <mosfet> do you have another machine you can connect the printer to?
[18:32] <apb1963> mosfet, omg it just started printing
[18:32] <mosfet> lofl
[18:33] <mosfet> inc
[18:33] <apb1963> ?
[18:33] <mosfet> means incoming
[18:33] <mosfet> that's actually hillarious
[18:33] <mosfet> and also very concerning
[18:33] <apb1963> completed at
[18:33] <apb1963> Fri 04 Jun 2021 11:33:10 AM PDT
[18:33] <apb1963> "File '' not found"  Bizarre.
[18:34] <apb1963> It printed so I don't know.  Oh, unless that's from a different queue complaining that I moved it?  I don't know.
[18:36] <apb1963> mosfet, so weird.  https://snipboard.io/tzyMa3.jpg
[18:37] <mosfet> why don't you just remove the printer all together from CUPS and then add it back in, commands to wipe que as well
[18:37] <mosfet> https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E23824_01/html/821-1451/gllgm.html
[18:39] <apb1963> mosfet, I used to know that stuff.  What concerns me about it is it's regarding Oracle Solaris... it's not clear that it would apply to ubuntu.  I use the GUI anyway.
[18:40] <apb1963> in fact just saying Oracle Solaris makes me a little queasy.
[18:41] <mosfet> https://www.tutorialspoint.com/unix_commands/lpadmin.htm
[18:41] <mosfet> you might have to get your hands a little dirty in the command prompt
[18:42] <apb1963> mosfet, unless it doesn't work, I'm just going to use the gui.  127.0.0.1:631
[18:43] <apb1963> mosfet, ahaha  I deleted it and it instantly added it back.
[18:43] <mosfet> wipe the que first and then try delete
[18:45] <apb1963> mosfet,  there are no jobs.  I can't delete any of the queues, it just adds them back.  3 Queues for one printer.  Yeesh.
[18:46] <apb1963> mosfet, spoke too soon.  I was able to delete the one I previously added.  Still have the 2 autoadds that won't go away.
[18:46] <mosfet> when did the issue present itself? was it immediately after updating ubuntu? also that printout said you have a lot of unmet dependencies so either they aren't on system or something seriously wrong with symlinks and pointers
[18:46] <apb1963> mosfet, https://snipboard.io/vQg0aJ.jpg
[18:48] <apb1963> mosfet I refer you back to  "Checking for Dependencies....[0m
 [35;01mwarning: [01mubuntu-20.04 version is not supported. Using ubuntu-19.10 versions dependencies to verify and install..."
[18:49] <apb1963> I upgrade ubuntu on a multiple times daily schedule.
[18:49] <apb1963> It stopped working last week sometime I guess.
[18:51] <apb1963> It seems to be working now
[18:52] <apb1963> Printing has always been esoteric, CUPS improved things somewhere along the timeline and now it's hit or miss with printing it seems.
[18:52] <apb1963> bugs
[18:52] <apb1963> mosfet, Anyway, thank you for the help, I need to get back to my "real job".  Much appreciated.
[18:54] <mosfet> yeah man np
[19:18] <UNIXCHAD_> why isn't ubuntu customizablu
[19:18] <UNIXCHAD_> *e
[19:19] <morgant> UNIXCHAD_, in what way do you mean? that's so unspecific because it is obviously customizable, and yet, there is the kernel and the surrounding system apps.
[19:20] <arif-ali> UNIXCHAD_: in what way is it not customizable? what are you trying to customise?
[19:21] <Mekaneck> if you want to customize the desktop you might need some extensions
[19:22] <Mekaneck> if you don't like that then switch to Xubuntu (XFCE) or Kubuntu (KDE Plasma)
[19:22] <morgant> Hey I am slowing down again, 20.04, and I used the top program and I noticed something called "tracker+"  and kworker+ and simples+ and have never seen those. also I thought that I quit kazam (it didnt work) and I still see it "on" (so I will uninstall it)
[19:23] <morgant> m9stly I see chrome. I wish I could QUIT CHROME and then reopen it will all the tabs it has now -- from the gui. (I can with killall chrome -9 )
[19:24] <arif-ali> morgant: I typically use the history in brave, and it allows me to open the last X tabs, you may have the same option in chrome
[19:24] <morgant> I know it isnt this #channel's wheelhouse but could you refer me or tell me something about kali linux? I am going to install it on another partition.
[19:26] <leftyfb> !kali | morgant
[19:28] <morgant> leftyfb, yes I know that hence my disclaimer. I thought there might be a kind person with a hint or link.  I didnt need to be schooled.
[19:29] <morgant> OK re tracker+ I found this person with the problem too. https://www.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/htg4rg/tracker_using_so_much_of_my_cpu/  ---> I did this  as suggested (so far) -- will paste as one line golloing (/ will mean new line)
[19:29] <leftyfb> morgant: kali has a support channel and plenty of documentation on their site.
[19:29] <leftyfb> morgant: good luck
[19:29] <toddc> the same programs in kali are availe in ubuntu it just a differnt collection of programs
[19:30] <morgant> ok will do. now still working on ubuntu getting incereasingly slow with ff or chrome. Been working on this for months. "tracker+" may be a new additional problem.
[19:32] <morgant> command: $ pgrep tracker -al     Returned:   1716 /usr/libexec/tracker-miner-fs / 446396 /usr/libexec/tracker-store / human@human-computername:~$
[19:34] <morgant> THIS was suggested: could you please tell me what this does and how so I can learn before I do it?    sudo rm -rfv /etc/xdg/autostart/tracker*.desktop
[19:34] <morgant> Mean while I will man rm
[19:35] <leftyfb> morgant: what version of ubuntu are you running?
[19:36] <leftyfb> morgant: tracker-miner-fs hasn't been part of the default install of ubuntu for many years
[19:37] <leftyfb> morgant: technically, tracker-miner-fs isn't installed by default on any supported versions of ubuntu
[19:40] <morgant> well it is there. this is what I did and it still seems to be there.  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8K3sszqQSv/
[19:40] <morgant> I am running 20.04
[19:40] <leftyfb> morgant: sudo apt remove --purge tracker-miner-fs   # you can safely remove it since it's not installed by default. You installed it at some point
[19:40] <morgant> And I wish I could get an applications menu. I made a bottom-dock but I still would like that simple applications menu.
[19:41] <morgant> I did that install unknowingly. Thanks
[19:42] <ioria> morgant, they are services (started with systemd); removing the .desktop files does not affect them (until the reboot/logout)
[19:43] <morgant> I think I need to reboot.
[19:43] <morgant> that's what the post I am following said. brb
[19:45] <hwittenborn> There's a program that I've packaged (on a personal repo) that's only showing the description when updating with Software Updater.
[19:45] <hwittenborn> I've been trying to fix it for a bit, but I haven't gotten anywhere. Anything I can try?
[19:45] <msg75> alias ijpq /ignore $1
[19:46] <hwittenborn> If it helps, this is the control file for the package:
[19:46] <hwittenborn> Package: makedeb-alpha
[19:46] <hwittenborn> Description: Create Debian archives from PKGBUILDs (alpha release)
[19:46] <hwittenborn> Source: makedeb.sh
[19:46] <hwittenborn> Version: 2.7.1-1
[19:46] <hwittenborn> Architecture: all
[19:46] <leftyfb> !paste | hwittenborn
[19:48] <leftyfb> hwittenborn: please share a link to your PPA as well as which version of ubuntu you're trying to install it on
[19:49] <hwittenborn> Can y'all see what I type still?
[19:49] <hwittenborn> Nvm the error's gone
[19:49] <hwittenborn> Did you get this link? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/DW2cWHTs9x/
[19:49] <leftyfb> hwittenborn: please share a link to your PPA as well as which version of ubuntu you're trying to install it on
[19:50] <hwittenborn> I'm on Ubuntu 20.04.2; The repository isn't a PPA, but a personal one I have for one of my projects
[19:50] <leftyfb> hwittenborn: where is the repo hosted?
[19:51] <leftyfb> hwittenborn: the issue is probably with your repository and/or how you packaged it
[19:51] <hwittenborn> It's managed through an artifact manager on my own server
[19:51] <hwittenborn> You can get the deb here though if it helps: https://repo.hunterwittenborn.com/debian/makedeb/pool/m/makedeb-alpha/makedeb-alpha_2.11.1-1_all.deb
[19:56] <hwittenborn> I forgot to mention the issue is happening on multiple files; These packages also seem to be affected: https://repo.hunterwittenborn.com/debian/makedeb/pool/m/makedeb-db/makedeb-db_4.1.0-1_all.deb
[19:56] <hwittenborn> https://repo.hunterwittenborn.com/debian/makedeb/pool/m/mpm-alpha/mpm-alpha_2.5.1-1_all.deb
[19:57] <hwittenborn> Here's the repository's root as well: https://nexus.hunterwittenborn.com/service/rest/repository/browse/makedeb/
[19:57] <leftyfb> hwittenborn: you might try #ubuntu-devel. Your issue is regarding a custom built package hosted on a custom repository. This really isn't an ubuntu issue but more of a packaging/repo issue
[19:57] <hwittenborn> Alright, I'll go there. Thanks
[20:15] <rhagu> Hi, is there a specific channel for raspberry pi 4 images? If not: I enabled bluetooth, I added btusb to /etc/modules, but the bluetooth service just won't start after reboot. I looked into journalctl and couldnt find anything. And I can run sudo systemctl start bluetooth and it works . . . what am I missing?
[20:16] <leftyfb> rhagu: sudo systemctl enable bluetooth
[20:17] <Mekaneck> rhagu: there's #ubuntu-arm but it's not very active
[20:17] <rhagu> leftyfb that was what I meant when I wrote: "I enabled bluetooth" :-)
[20:18] <Mekaneck> at least two of the Pi image devs/maintainers are there
[20:19] <rhagu> Mekaneck thanks, I will ask there
[20:19] <Mekaneck> yw
[20:20] <rhagu> Hi, I was pointed here from #ubuntu: I enabled bluetooth, I added btusb to /etc/modules, but the bluetooth service just won't start after reboot. I looked into journalctl and couldnt find anything. And I can run sudo systemctl start bluetooth and it works . . . what am I missing?
[20:20] <rhagu> damn, wrong channel :-D
[20:52] <morgans> Morgan's back.
[20:52] <Zauberfisch> Good day
[20:53] <Zauberfisch> I'm planing to setup a new nas with zfs
[20:54] <Zauberfisch> and so ubuntu has crossed my mind. how stable is zfs in ubuntu server 20.x and 21.x?
[20:54] <Zauberfisch> or, rather, how production ready
[20:54] <Zauberfisch> zfs on root is not required
[20:57] <sarnold> Zauberfisch: I've been using zfs on root on my 20.04 laptop with very little trouble ... overlay filesystems don't work on it, but if you're not doing zfs-on-root that's probably not a big deal
[20:57] <sarnold> Zauberfisch: I've got quite a lot more data and disks on an 18.04 system that has had some problems with zfs recv; we never got to the bottom of that. :(
[20:58] <sarnold> Zauberfisch: but so long as I don't try that zfs recv from my laptop, it's solid
[20:58] <Zauberfisch> I do plan on using zfs send/receive heavily though
[20:58] <Zauberfisch> my backup strategly is largely based on zfs send
[20:59] <Zauberfisch> (I have multiple zfs NASs)
[21:02] <sarnold> it sure sounds like zfs recv works fine for most people. I wish I knew why my setup went wrong..
[21:03] <sarnold> I want to move that system to 20.04, change my pool layout to use special allocation vdevs, but I don't really want to destroy what might be the one pool that demonstrates a problem. :S
[21:05] <Zauberfisch> ok, speficily on server though
[21:05] <Zauberfisch> is zfs officially cleared for use?
[21:19] <sarnold> Zauberfisch: heh, yeah, my 18.04 machine is certainly what you'd call a server :) you wouldn't want it in your office or bedroom anyway..
[21:22] <toddc> Zauberfisch: ZFS officially cleared? I have been on ZFS for three years on my servers with no issues two years on desktop
[21:32] <Zauberfisch> toddc: I have no doubt that people have been running it for years
[21:33] <sarnold> indeed, the zfs guide I started with discussed zfs on linux in 2012.. https://pthree.org/2012/12/04/zfs-administration-part-i-vdevs/
[21:38] <Zauberfisch> ok, so the server installer does not contain zfs
[21:38] <sarnold> correct
[21:38] <sarnold> zfs on root is only supported on desktop at the moment
[21:38] <Zauberfisch> that is discouraging
[21:39] <Zauberfisch> don't need it, but it makes me feel more like zfs is not fully trusted yet
[21:40] <sarnold> more like there's too many things to do and too few people to do them all
[21:40] <ravage> Zauberfisch, i use ZFS on Ubuntu 20.04 on various servers about 80TB storage space. not a single problem so far. there are some small things to consider like how you can expand your pool and how not. but if you know what is supported you will be fine
[21:42] <ravage> the version that comes with 20.04 is fine. i switched to a PPA for the latest server. also works great
[22:07] <qa6> hi again!! where can I download Ubuntu certified virtio drivers as an Ubuntu Advantage free user on 20.04 ? is it really available up until 16.04 ???
[22:09] <sarnold> qa6: what are "ubuntu certified virtio drivers"?
[22:11] <qa6> sarnold: "Certified Windows drivers for KVM guests" https://ubuntu.com/advantage
[22:13] <sarnold> qa6: oh curious, I've never really noticed that line before..
[22:16] <sarnold> qa6: your best bet is probably to contact your support person.. I can't find anything on my 16.04-esm enrolled machine that looks remotely like an additional package for supporting windows virtio drivers in qemu..
[22:17] <ravage> the fedora drivers will work just fine :)
[22:17] <sarnold> qa6: maybe I'm just not looking int he right places, but I won't stumble on anything..
[22:17] <sarnold> I'd just sort of expect whatever's there already would work fine, but I know nothing about windows
[22:25] <Zauberfisch> qa6: jim salter talked about that today in the podcast 2.5 admins. he said when you need signed virtio drivers, you should google "virtio fedora people"
[22:25] <Zauberfisch> he didn't say that in an ubuntu context, but what linux distro the host is doesn't really matter
[22:30] <Guest48> i have optimus laptop with nvidia, i select nvidia prop driver but how can I launch a game with nvidia?
[22:51] <mort> Hey, I'm on x86_64. I do cross compilation for arm, so I did `dpkg --add-architecture arm64` and added the line "deb [arch=arm64] http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports hirsute main universe" to my sources.list.
[22:52] <mort> As a result, I can install arm libraries, but every `apt-get update` shows a bunch of errors because it can't find http://no.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hirsute-whatever/main/binary-arm64/Packages
[22:53] <mort> How do I let apt know that it doesn't have to check for binary-arm64 in all the repos which don't have arm64 packages?
[22:53] <sarnold> mort: probably [arch=amd64] annotations on the usual apt lines
[22:53] <sarnold> mort: maybe [arch=amd64,all]?
[22:53] <mort> sarnold: so I have to annotate every non-arm64 repo? That's a bit annoying
[22:54] <mort> I also feel like that'll break eventually
[22:54] <mort> how does do-release-upgrade deal with that for example
[22:54] <sarnold> probably poorly
[22:54] <mort> yea
[22:54] <mort> is there a way to fix it without breaking a future do-release-upgrade and without messing up the software & drivers gui and other ubuntu features?
[22:57] <ravage> I don't have much experience with cross compiling but I would use lxd to do all that and keep my main system clean
[22:58] <mort> sure, that's one valid strategy, but I feel like this is literally the purpose of the multiarch thing
[22:58] <sarnold> mort: I don't do much cross compiling things but all the compiling I do is in schroots to keep the build environment clean
[22:59] <Unit193> Or qemu chroots for arm/etc.
[22:59] <mort> the default answer for "how do I install arm64 libraries on my amd64 system" is generally something involving multiarch
[22:59] <mort> so it feels like a feature which ought to work
[22:59] <sarnold> it might be the usual answer to a usual question but perhaps the question is starting from the wrong place to begin with
[23:00] <mort> it's not
[23:00] <sarnold> iirc the debian multiarch stuff was mostly intended for eg x86 and amd64 cohabitation, or armhf and aarch64 cohabitation, etc
[23:01] <mort> well, GCC and everything else generally handles it beautifully, arm64 libraries are in /usr/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu and aarch64-linux-gnu-gcc looks there by default
[23:01] <mort> the only real problem here is apt and how "this repo doesn't support all enabled architectures" is considered an error
[23:03] <Unit193> sarnold: See also: `arch-test -n`
[23:05] <sarnold> Unit193: well that's neat :)
[23:07] <Unit193> debootstrap uses it.