[13:15] <zxmpi> *bing* *bong* *plink* hi di di campers
[13:39]  * penguin42 burps
[15:00] <daftykins> manners! :P
[15:01] <daftykins> hrmm oracle free VPS of 20.04 seems to want to install an HWE kernel today
[15:01] <daftykins> 5.4 -> 5.8
[15:05] <daftykins> hrmm this new property of my clients has a huge long garden with a car port and storage room at the end that'll be ideal for servers to live in, but a cable link would be over 100m so i was looking up SFP and fiber options last night
[15:05] <daftykins> adds up pretty quick once you have capable switches at either end and SFP modules though
[15:11] <penguin42> daftykins: You can get pretty cheap fibre<->ether converters
[15:12] <penguin42> daftykins: https://www.broadbandbuyer.com/products/12834-tp-link-mc200cm
[15:12] <penguin42> (From a quick search)
[15:12] <daftykins> yeah that's where i was last night, but it doesn't really help much because the main house will have one with SFP anyway
[15:13] <penguin42> why?
[15:14] <daftykins> i'll need a 24 port managed switch with PoE+ - so you pretty much can't avoid it once you're already there
[15:14] <penguin42> oh OK
[15:14] <penguin42> still, can do that converter at the other end
[15:15] <daftykins> yeah, it's one option - will have to see what a cabling company will quote to do it
[15:15] <daftykins> i'm not quite clear on what you'd end up being provided with, whether it'd be a little termination point that you then just put the cheap fiber patch leads from and into the switch or transceiver gear
[15:15] <penguin42> daftykins: Unless you could find somewhere part way to place a PoE *powered* switch to split the run
[15:16] <daftykins> nah it's all outside and just a garden wall between
[15:17] <daftykins> a decent cat6 run would probably be ok at 125m in fairness
[15:17] <penguin42> nod
[15:17] <penguin42> can't you buy ready made fibre leads?
[15:18] <daftykins> not of 100m that i know, but i'd be happy to let a contractor suffer the fun of placing ladders to get up on this high garden wall and put down conduit / PVC pipe of some kind to put it in
[15:18] <daftykins> i need to try and find out if a phone line can be brought in from the southern side of the property next, as maybe that'd give a better broadband service than the 40/5 the north end is stuck on
[15:20] <penguin42> worst thing about fibre is the fact that tehre's 50 different connectors and 20 different frequency/power/etc standards
[15:20] <daftykins> haha yeah, i was discovering that 
[15:20] <penguin42> daftykins: https://www.lindy.co.uk/cables-adapters-c1/network-c420/150m-lc-lc-om3-50-125-fibre-optic-patch-cable-p11427  ?
[15:20] <daftykins> also broadbandbuyer seems to offer 3rd party 'compatible' SFP modules for Netgear switches which made me raise an eyebrow
[15:21] <penguin42> SFPs are a standard......right
[15:22] <daftykins> heh, well that's pretty neat - but yeah it's all the associated labour of putting it in that'd make the real job
[15:22] <penguin42> yep
[15:22] <penguin42> you need some of that pretty green pipe
[15:22] <daftykins> i usually let the sparkies handle the real labour, moan about the daft mistakes they make, then just plug the gear in at the end :D
[15:23] <daftykins> hmm freen stuff eh?
[15:23] <daftykins> *green
[15:23] <penguin42> green for fibre?
[15:23] <daftykins> that some kinda standard defined by someone?
[15:24] <penguin42> https://www.drainagesuperstore.co.uk/help-and-advice/product-guides/underground-drainage/underground-ducting-colour-codes-explained/
[15:25] <penguin42> not sure if it's actually defined anywhere
[15:25] <daftykins> ah ha, ah well this stuff will all be open air along the top of a wall
[15:26] <penguin42> oh right
[15:27] <penguin42> good luck when the magpies get to it
[15:27] <daftykins> hehe, are they likely to take a fancy?
[15:27] <penguin42> on the basis it's expensive to fix, yes
[15:29] <daftykins> :D
[15:32] <zxmpi> so... include cats in the attack vectors :-P
[15:33] <penguin42> oh yes, long tasty looking sneek like thing
[15:43] <daftykins> if the telco can offer a better service over a phone line supplied from the southern end, it might mean i have to carry voice up to the main house too
[15:44] <daftykins> it's further from the exchange though on the south so it probably won't happen
[15:45] <daftykins> depends if they have a street MSAN i suppose
[15:56] <daftykins> nothing like spending wealthy peeps money!
[15:57] <daftykins> i was reading about this cable a company developed that can do much greater distances, but then i looked up the price... :D
[15:57] <penguin42> do they eat pringles?
[15:58] <daftykins> haha i did catch the young son munching on a packet in the back of their car the other day
[16:03] <daftykins> i suspect i'm missing your meaning though :P
[16:03] <penguin42> daftykins: p-p wifi :-)
[16:04] <daftykins> ah the ol' cantenna
[16:04] <zxmpi> of course, if they were really wealthy they could pay someone closer to get the super duper broadband and then had a direct microwave link to them :-P
[16:05] <daftykins> heh yeah, these are the same folks with the farmhouse down south too, which we have the 100/20 service at
[16:06] <daftykins> also for as long as the 5G trial service continues running, that tends to be pushing 250/10 at worst, usually a bit better... but at the new address there won't be line of sight to the tower anymore i don't think
[16:06] <zxmpi> i seem to remember back in early days of dialup some people did that to use free local area phone calls to get internet over plain old telephone system. 
[16:06] <daftykins> and CG-NAT makes it useless for a lot of things
[16:11] <penguin42> zxmpi: Basement of the building I had my first job in had a room full of phonelines for an ISP that had done that; they'd had a microwave link put in to it
[16:12] <zxmpi> i do remember wanting to play with the telex machine in a customers location. never got to :-(
[16:13] <penguin42> I think the microwave link kit was sitll on even though the ISP had left a while ago
[16:14] <zxmpi> gotta cook those pigeons :-P
[16:14] <penguin42> I was trying to figure out how to get a link in to our office; I think I ended up with 64kbps frame relay - coming out about 56kbp in canada
[16:16] <zxmpi> high speed!
[16:17] <penguin42> running cadence over remote X on that was fun
[16:17] <daftykins> i've seen ubiquiti's point to point radio link stuff, but anything wireless screams 'unreliable' to me
[16:17] <zxmpi> had a few locations around ireland that would only support 4800 for transferring data. some seriously old copper lines installed by graham bell himself
[16:18] <daftykins> xD
[16:18] <daftykins> not aluminium lines?
[16:19] <zxmpi> i can in these cases blame the british because they were in cork city itself and the british burned the city down in 1921 and if it ain't broken it wasn't going to be replaced
[16:19] <penguin42> that can't do much to the wiring
[16:19] <zxmpi> that's my excuse and i'm sticking to it :-)
[16:35]  * daftykins spots air conditioner units on CPC
[16:35] <penguin42> tempting isnt it
[16:35] <daftykins> i wonder if there will be any of those heat waves again this year
[16:36] <daftykins> yeah, so glad the islands didn't reach the 30s like France and England seemed to... high 20s was still nasty for me though
[16:37] <zxmpi> picked up a new 16" fan yesterday to replace one that died last year
[16:37] <penguin42> yeh currently cooking at 18c here
[16:37] <zxmpi> 19c atm. cornetto stash is holding out though :-)
[16:38] <daftykins> :D
[16:38] <penguin42> just one box of cornetto's
[16:38] <zxmpi> 3 boxes and an emergency backup stash of choc ices
[16:53] <penguin42> a redundant array of iced dairy
[16:54] <zxmpi> and a backup to my backup with some cool pops. 
[21:19] <daftykins> had to walk a new machine up to a client premises since they were inconsiderate enough to want it done for the morning :(
[21:20] <daftykins> love the way the 8pm message came in - asking if i'd had a good weekend, well no i've been preparing your last-minute machine :P
[21:22] <zxmpi> is this when you install the loudest fan you can find? :-D
[21:23] <zxmpi> bonus points if you can get a playing card to rub against it to add more noise :-P
[21:28] <daftykins> hehehe
[21:29] <zxmpi> you'd think there'd be a market for prank fans at this point that you could manipulate from off site :-)
[21:36] <daftykins> quick, swap all the parts for the worst ones in stock!
[21:36] <daftykins> hang on it's a modern laptop, they're all soldered... disaster!
[21:37] <zxmpi> some software patch so it emits a nice annoying hum...
[21:37] <zxmpi> or high pitched if they have cats/dogs :-P
[21:54] <daftykins> ooh that's truly evil, i'll have to make you chief revenge officer if any more of these incidents occur
[22:01] <zxmpi> being evil is very time consuming, so much pre planning :-P
[22:02] <daftykins> ^_^
[22:03] <daftykins> hehe i was going to comment on how i am trying to think of a way to describe to a friend's employee how to provide useful feedback to me instead of useless remarks about things she thinks aren't working
[22:04] <daftykins> by chance he messaged me first asking if i'd taken any action xD
[22:06] <zxmpi> i always tell people keep a log. write a time and date and a what happened. and you'll look at it any time you are on site. most are too lazy to keep the log :-)
[22:06] <zxmpi> or when they go to find the log, plant on of these :-P https://www.thegreenhead.com/2008/12/annoy-a-tron-2.php
[22:11] <daftykins> so far they're just free of all context, just a screenshot of an error message or a sentence in an email declaring she saw one, nothing about the action being undertaken at the time
[22:18] <zxmpi> yeah, i've always hated the vague 'that error that time' messages
[22:35] <daftykins> Tuesday was pretty funny "i can't reach the web service, is it working?" 
 did you remember to connect to the VPN first, like you've done every time - and like is documented in my connection guide?
[22:35] <daftykins> "no"
[22:54] <zxmpi> and did you have ship of fools as hold music to put them on hold while they tried that? :-P
[23:01] <daftykins> hehe
[23:01] <daftykins> thankfully i don't get calls on that one, just oft delayed emails
[23:32] <zxmpi> bofh excuse calender as inspiring quotes on your emails? :-P
[23:36]  * daftykins tries some out
[23:36] <daftykins> "Redundant comms dump" hrmm
[23:39] <zxmpi> there should be some demotivational quote list that would work :-P
[23:41] <zxmpi> https://www.geckoandfly.com/18885/unmotivated-quotes-friends-enemies-overconfident/ 
[23:43] <daftykins> hehe, some of those would work
[23:44] <zxmpi> you want the fine line between professional and was i just insulted :-P
[23:45] <daftykins> bonus points for an email that becomes unsearchable so they can't ask for a second opinion, too
[23:46] <zxmpi> text attached as gifs >:-)
[23:46] <zxmpi> suprised it's not already an option in outlook
[23:46] <zxmpi> mind the search in that never worked right
[23:47] <daftykins> it did! but MS just keep breaking it to make the clients call you back in, an unwritten rule
[23:52] <daftykins> won't touch MS Office myself