[00:01] <tomreyn> depends, mostly on where you could get that key from
[00:02] <tomreyn> !details
[00:29] <maxFlexGuest> This is a Multipass VM with 2GB of RAM memory and 24GB of storage. I have tried apt-key (now deprecated), but then I have tried to move to the gpg command.
[00:34] <tomreyn> maxFlexGuest: which apt repository are you trying to enable, where did you read about how to enable it, what's the error messages you see about the gpg key?
[00:34] <Bashing-om> maxFlexGuest: What is the package source you need the key for?  Maybe I can find that puplic key.
[00:35] <tomreyn> it's also good to always provide the ubuntu version you're asking about
[00:38] <maxFlexGuest> I am actually trying to install “Bionic” packages on Ubuntu 20.04 LTS for compatibility reasons.
[00:40] <maxFlexGuest> To be more specific, I am trying to install Python 3.4 from the “Deadsnakes” PPA for compatibility reasons.
[00:41] <maxFlexGuest> Sorry, but I need the key for the “Deadsnakes” PPA (not “nightly”).
[00:49] <tomreyn> you shouldn't play mix and mojo with packages made for different releases. most of the time, and most likely here, it won't end well.
[00:49] <tomreyn> ppa keys should get automatically imported by appt-apt-repository
[00:49] <tomreyn> *add-apt-repository
[00:50] <leftyfb> tomreyn: they left
[00:56] <tomreyn> ah thanks leftyfb
[02:40] <apb1963> 20.04; syslog is filled with these: Jun  5 19:10:50 yellow gnome-shell[48310]: message repeated 421 times: [ Sandbox: attempt to open unexpected file /proc/self/maps]
[02:43] <apb1963> There's also this, which isn't very comforting.  Maybe the two are related, maybe they're not.
[02:43] <apb1963> Jun  5 18:26:41 yellow dbus-daemon[1399]: [session uid=1000 pid=1399] Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.Tracker1' unit='tracker-store.service' requested by ':1.1' (uid=1000 pid=1352 comm="/usr/libexec/tracker-miner-fs " label="unconfined")
[02:43] <apb1963> Jun  5 18:26:41 yellow systemd[1316]: Starting Tracker metadata database store and lookup manager...
[02:43] <apb1963> Jun  5 18:26:42 yellow dbus-daemon[1399]: [session uid=1000 pid=1399] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.Tracker1'
[02:56] <leftyfb> apb1963: your first post looks like maybe just some DRM stuff complaining: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1948331    The rest of what you posted are not errors and nothing to be concerned about
[03:03] <apb1963> leftyfb, thank you, but there are thousands of attempts.  It wouldn't surprise me if this is a source of my performance problems.  CPU usage skyrockets, I guess I need to try & correlate usage with errors.  OK, thanks.  I'll see about doing that shortly.
[03:26] <apb1963> This, comes about from a Right Click on Terminal window.  Jun  5 20:09:23 yellow gnome-shell[2554]: ../clutter/clutter/clutter-actor.c:10558: The clutter_actor_set_allocation() function can only be called from within the implementation of the ClutterActor::allocate() virtual function.
[03:26] <apb1963> Jun  5 20:09:23 yellow gnome-shell[48310]: Sandbox: attempt to open unexpected file /proc/self/maps
[03:26] <apb1963>   
[03:26] <apb1963> And this comes from a browser game.  Jun  5 20:25:00 yellow gnome-shell[48310]: message repeated 468 times: [ Sandbox: attempt to open unexpected file /proc/self/maps]
[03:26] <apb1963> Jun  5 20:25:00 yellow /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session[1373]: (EE) client bug: timer event5 debounce: scheduled expiry is in the past (-453ms), your system is too slow
[03:26] <apb1963> Jun  5 20:25:00 yellow /usr/lib/gdm3/gdm-x-session[1373]: (II) event5  - PixArt USB Optical Mouse: SYN_DROPPED event - some input events have been lost.
[03:31] <kantlivelong> weird. webgl stopped working with firefox 89. using nvida drivers
[03:33] <apb1963> Benchmarks for my system I got the other day.  https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7RbMr4GHWM/
[03:35] <apb1963> If I run it in turbo mode, it "eventually" freezes and then reboots.  "Eventually" doesn't take too long.
[03:40] <apb1963> Or I have to reboot it manually.
[03:41] <apb1963> And in case it matters, the browser game is tankionline.com
[04:17] <apb1963> My bad.  I thought there were benchmarks.  It's more of an inventory of my computer.
[04:42] <larkfisherman> Has anyone had their gnome-shell extensions stop working completely after a gnome-shell crash?
[04:52] <lotuspsychje> larkfisherman: the first thing the devs always ask when gnome crash/bug, is to disable extensions to see if they caused the crash
[04:53] <larkfisherman> lotuspsychje: Yes, but I am not asking about the crash, I'm asking about the fact that *after* the crash, none of the gnome-shell extensions work anymore, even those that worked perfectly *before* the crash.
[04:54] <larkfisherman> lotuspsychje: I've had this happen before, and I reinstalled the system. I was hoping I won't have to do that again.
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> larkfisherman: did you try gnome-tweaks to see extensions and enable/disable?
[04:56] <lotuspsychje> and did you reboot since your crash?
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> larkfisherman: gnome-tweaks also has a gnome shell 'set back to defaults' you could try, backup your stuff before trying
[05:03] <larkfisherman> lotuspsychje: It seems like the "extensions" button in gnome-tweaks was turned off, for some reason. Turning it back on caused the extensions to show up on screen again, apparently working.
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> +1
[05:03] <larkfisherman> thank you for help :)
[05:03] <lotuspsychje> welcome larkfisherman
[06:02] <em> If I have an ubuntu server that runs Ubuntu 14.04.6 LTS is there any nice way to migrate to a newer ubuntu server?
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> not reccomended to upgrade from eol versions em
[06:03] <lotuspsychje> em: backup your data and start clean with a supported server release
[06:03] <em> yeah
[06:04] <em> okay thanks. I'll try to do it
[06:04] <em> I wonder if you have a linode server, what is the best way to (1) make a backup and store it some place, and (2) get a fresher instance of ubuntu running.
[06:04] <em> i'll look into that.
[07:59] <pikapika> Anyone know a file manager that takes folders as command line input?
[08:06] <sixwheeledbeast> to open the file manager at a folder?
[08:08] <pikapika> sixwheeledbeast, never mind it seems if I pass a list of dirs Thunar opens them in their own windows, which works for me too
[08:08] <pikapika> So I did a commands | xargs "\n" thunar &
[08:08] <pikapika> And it did the trick
[08:09] <pikapika> sixwheeledbeast, yes that was what I wanted
[08:09] <pikapika> And it seems there already is a solution
[08:09] <sixwheeledbeast> caja file:///foo
[08:10] <sixwheeledbeast> nautilus will be the same too I imagine
[08:10] <pikapika> Yeah it just requires that the file manager take a list of dirs in the shell
[08:10] <pikapika> which I think most should
[09:22] <potatoe> so I just nuked /etc/grub.d/*, how can I reinstall those files? apt-get install grub-pc grub-common didn't do the trick
[09:22] <pikapika> holy shit bro
[09:23] <pikapika> Do you have any other ubuntu installation to reference?
[09:23] <pikapika> then amy be you can copy and edit it to include the kernels in your target laptop
[09:23] <potatoe> no, but I can by spinning one up, but I'd rather do it by apt since that's where it come from, presumably
[09:24] <pikapika> Yeah but like apt does not know its lost right?
[09:24] <pikapika> Within apt's records you still have that dir so perhaps its not touching it
[09:24] <pikapika> Maybe try apt -f?
[09:24] <potatoe> why wouldn't reinstalling whatever package that is responsible work?
[09:24] <pikapika> How would it?
[09:24] <potatoe> i.e. if I do apt-get purge grub-pc
[09:24] <pikapika> The file system doesn't magically let it know
[09:24] <potatoe> then reinstall
[09:24] <potatoe> it should reinstall those files
[09:25] <pikapika> try apt-get update –fix-missing
[09:25] <potatoe> but it doesn't seem to come from grub-pc
[09:25] <potatoe> cool, let me try that
[09:25] <pikapika> note its a double dash
[09:25] <pikapika> not that weird symbol that resulted from copy paste
[09:25] <potatoe> I know
[09:26] <pikapika> potatoe, did it work
[09:27] <potatoe> nope, dpkg -S grub.d says those files are from grub-common, but reinstalling grub-common does not reinstall those files, weird
[09:34] <potatoe> fixed, apt-get download grub-common, ar -x grub-.deb, tar zxvf data.tar.xz then copy them files out, for anyone else that runs into the same problem
[09:34] <pikapika> potatoe, how are you sure the configs match the kernel files you have
[09:35] <pikapika> maybe you should check its list of kernel images vs what you have just to be sure
[09:35] <potatoe> grub.d just holds scripts that is run by update-grub, so it does not really reference anything specific to my system
[09:37] <pikapika> Oh
[09:37] <pikapika> So where was that conf file with the list of kernel images stored?
[09:38] <potatoe> thats in /boot/grub/grub.cfg, you'll also haev to update initramfs and run update-grub before rebooting
[09:38] <pikapika> Oh good
[09:39] <pikapika> potatoe, you are lucky then
[09:39] <pikapika> that you didn't delete thqt
[09:39] <potatoe> that is also a generated file
[09:39] <potatoe> doesn't matter if its nuked
[09:39] <pikapika> Oh good
[09:42] <sixwheeledbeast> those files should have been generated by grub-mkconfig AFAIK.
[09:45] <sixwheeledbeast> If you need to reinstall grub you don't want it to nuke configs you already have.
[10:37] <icedwater> Hey folks, I've been running a do-release-upgrade from 16.04 to 18.04 for a while now and noticed some dpkg error messages about deconfiguring aptdaemon or it would break python3-aptdaemon or something like that. How concerned should I be about that?
[10:52] <tomreyn> icedwater: maybe if you could post some of those error messages (i think they are logged to /var/log/release-upgrade/main.log), someone could respond.
[10:52] <tomreyn> !paste | icedwater
[10:56] <gneeriiloeepdeer> since yesterday, each time I want to reverse search in the terminal I get (failed reverse-i-search) why?
[10:58] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: your license expired. just kidding. maybe what you were searching for just got moved out of your history?
[10:58] <gneeriiloeepdeer> how are searched items moved out of my history?
[10:59] <gneeriiloeepdeer> and why?
[10:59] <aiena> if an app is installed with snap and the same with app will they fight in ubuntu?
[11:00] <aiena> *same with apt
[11:00] <aiena> how does one track how a app/package was installed
[11:00] <aiena> *an
[11:00] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: the shell history works like a first in first out (FIFO) buffer. reverse search searches on the shell history.
[11:01] <gneeriiloeepdeer> tomreyn, so, if my shell saves up to 200 entries, the ones older than 200 will be automatically deleted, ?
[11:02] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: as soon as you run a new command, the oldest one would be lost, yes
[11:03] <tomreyn> man history
[11:03] <gneeriiloeepdeer> tomreyn, but this command I searched for, was lastly executed yesterday. It cannot have been deleted due to being odl...
[11:03] <tomreyn> man bash -> HISTORY
[11:10] <tomreyn> aiena: if it's a snap, then the executable will be located in /snap
[11:10] <aiena> but apt will still say its not installed right
[11:11] <aiena> as in apt is blind to snap
[11:11] <tomreyn> aiena: if it's a debian packagem, then dpkg -S will know about the full path to the executable
[11:11] <tomreyn> the "type" command will show where the executable is
[11:11] <aiena> oh got it
[11:12] <tomreyn> yes, apt and snap aren'T aware of one another really
[11:12] <aiena> so if you use apt and snap for the same executable you can be in for a lot of fun
[11:12] <aiena> actually maybe not I think snap are containers
[11:12] <tomreyn> snap list     is the equavalent to      apt list --installed
[11:12] <aiena> suppose you want to compile stuff you cannot use snap for deps right
[11:13] <aiena> e.g. i want dev packages
[11:14] <tomreyn> i don't think snap has a concept of providing source code packages, but it primarily targets binary distribution. i'm not that sure on that, though.
[11:15] <aiena> ok
[11:23] <sixwheeledbeast> they would usually have a git with sources but it's one of the reasons I don't like having snaps as default packages.
[11:38] <gneeriiloeepdeer> should I update to 21.04? I now have 20.10
[11:38] <weq> should you eat pork or chicken?
[11:38] <Alabalistic> yes you do gneeriiloeepdeer
[11:40] <Alabalistic> if you choose the stable LTS then don't play with interim, but since you are in the interim just go update and try the new stuff
[11:40] <oerheks> gneeriiloeepdeer, 20.10 gives support for another month or so
[11:40] <Alabalistic> do-release-upgrade -c
[11:41] <oerheks> no need for -c
[11:42] <gneeriiloeepdeer> Im authenticated here through TLS and hexchat. Am I gonna need to recongifure something after the upgrade?
[11:43] <tomreyn> Alabalistic: neither of those releases are LTS releases
[11:43] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: most likely not
[11:44] <Alabalistic> whatever tomreyn says :)
[11:45] <tomreyn> i think ubottu knows best:
[11:45] <tomreyn> !lts
[11:46] <krytarik> Alabalistic didn't imply that though.
[11:46] <gneeriiloeepdeer> upgrading. Should I stop sing hexchat? stop surfing?
[11:48] <Alabalistic> nothing to do with your home directory, so you can go on
[11:48] <Alabalistic> no sudo schould be safe
[11:48] <gneeriiloeepdeer> A problem occurred during the update. This is usually some sort of
[11:48] <gneeriiloeepdeer> network problem, please check your network connection and retry.
[11:48] <gneeriiloeepdeer> ?
[11:49] <oerheks> first run sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade # before do release upgrade
[11:52] <gneeriiloeepdeer> An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: https://packages.riot.im/debian default InRelease: The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG C2850B265AC085BD riot.im packages <packages@riot.im>
[11:52] <oerheks> yes, not our problem.
[11:52] <gneeriiloeepdeer> is that the reason why I cannot upgrade?
[11:52] <oerheks> remove that foreign repo
[11:59] <gneeriiloeepdeer> oerheks, how do I do that?
[12:01] <TJ-> Dealing with an XPS 9550 UEFI where any LUKs encrypted install fails to start the kernel, but without LUKS it starts. Symptoms are a blank display before kernel starts. Anyone ever seen anything similar? Currently got the user connecting an external display in case somehow the output is to an external output!
[12:02] <TJ-> vmlinuz and initrd.img are being loaded, but hand-off to kernel apparently doesn't occur
[12:02] <TJ-> UEFI > GPT > EFI-SP > GRUB > LUKSv1 /boot/
[12:03] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: you rename the corresponding file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ to *.disabled
[12:06] <gneeriiloeepdeer> tomreyn, oh, so for example 'riot-im.list' to 'riot-im.list.disabled'?
[12:06] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: generally, the only safe approach for carrying out a release upgrade is to bring your system into a supportable state before you start it. that means using ppa-purge or manual measures such as the one just diescribed to deactivate *all* third party apt sources, then use apt-forktracer or a similar tool to identify foreign packages and package versions and purge or downgrade every one of them.
[12:06] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: yes to that latest question
[12:07] <gneeriiloeepdeer> tomreyn, should I run 'ppa'purge'? It sems to be automatic
[12:08] <tomreyn> !ppa-purge | gneeriiloeepdeer: you can, but ppa-purge may not work when you have apt sources which no longer exist, or have no valid signing key vconfigured (like the one you had there)
[12:08] <tomreyn> !more
[12:10] <tomreyn> TJ-: no idea, but please subscribe me if you'll file a bug
[12:10] <krytarik> tomreyn: "@more"
[12:10] <tomreyn> thanks krytarik
[12:10] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: ^ this is how you can see the rest of the message
[12:10] <TJ-> tomreyn: i'd file if I had a clue about what it is!
[12:11] <tomreyn> TJ-: have you tried without secureboot, tried without early microcode update
[12:12] <TJ-> tomreyn: it is someone that used my encrypted install guide and emailed me about it failing. I've spent 2 days on it, using TeamViewer remotely, trying to figure it out! https://askubuntu.com/questions/1341163/ubuntu-20-04-stuck-in-grub-after-encryption
[12:12] <TJ-> tomreyn: no SB, had forgotten about early microcode! thanks, we'll try that
[12:12] <tomreyn> oh and latest uefi would be good too, just in case
[12:13] <TJ-> strange though it works without LUKS
[12:13] <TJ-> has the latest Dell firmware
[12:13] <gneeriiloeepdeer> tomreyn, but if don't plant to use those packages anymore, I can simply delete those files in sources.list.d, correct?
[12:14] <TJ-> tomreyn: I've proved both LUKS and non-LUKS installs work via a KVM guest from the liveUSB env, so it must be hardware. There's Intel/NVidia GPU so first thought was nomodeset but it isn't that
[12:14] <tomreyn> TJ-: quite the miracle indeed
[12:16] <TJ-> tip: to actually use virt-manager/libvirt on live, you need to mount a tmps for apparmor: so "cp /etc/apparmor.d/libvirt/* /tmp/; mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /etc/apparmor.d/libvirt; cp /tmp/TEMPLATE* /etc/apparmor.d/libvirt/"
[12:17] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: sources.list.d/ is just about where apt may installed packages and updates from. any changes you make there won't affect which packages and package versions you already have installed. you'll need to deal with this seperately (as discussed above)
[12:17] <TJ-> update: so it is definitely stuck whilst loading intrd.img into RAM, doesn't come back from that
[12:18] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: but, yes, you can and should disable or remove apt configurations for third party apt repositories you no longer plan to use.
[12:19] <gneeriiloeepdeer> thanks tomreyn, you ve been most helpful
[12:20] <tomreyn> gneeriiloeepdeer: this provides *some* background info: https://github.com/tomreyn/scripts#foreign_packages
[12:23] <tomreyn> (i have been meaning to update this, since there are easier approaches, such as just running     apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' | nc termbin.com 9999    )
[12:25] <tomreyn> TJ-: maybe there's something firmware assisted such as intel boot guard getting in the way?
[12:25] <kinggoddard> hey
[12:26] <kinggoddard> so i installed ubuntu but it isn't detecting my GPU
[12:26] <kinggoddard> 3080 nvidia card
[12:27] <DarthMeow> @kinggoddard - The card is not detecting in the hardware drivers helper?
[12:27] <kinggoddard> DarthMeow whats the hardware drivers helper?
[12:28] <tomreyn> kinggoddard: the "ubuntu-drivers" command, on a terminal / tty
[12:29] <kinggoddard> yep
[12:29] <kinggoddard> i see it
[12:29] <DarthMeow> There's a helper program in Ubuntu to install the appropriate nvidia drivers. Accessable via how tomreyn just described.
[12:30] <kinggoddard> i didn't see him type anything
[12:30] <TJ-> tomreyn: we've looked for such and done a factory defaults reset so far
[12:31] <tomreyn> kinggoddard: do you know the exact version of ubuntu thatyou installed there?
[12:31] <kinggoddard> i used jockey and selected the driver in additional drivers from the software sources app
[12:31] <kinggoddard> it says the nvidia driver metapackage 465 is selected
[12:32] <tomreyn> kinggoddard: i think jockey was replaced by ubuntu-drivers. what you just described is the graphical frontend which does effectively the same thing as "ubuntu-drivers"
[12:32] <kinggoddard> ok
[12:32] <kinggoddard> i try and launch nvidia settings from the command line and it says nvidia driver not loaded
[12:33] <kinggoddard> just a fresh install
[12:33] <tomreyn> so driver 465 is selected and was selected already? or did you only select it after the latest reboot?
[12:33] <kinggoddard> 21.04
[12:33] <kinggoddard> i selected it
[12:34] <tomreyn> you'll want to reboot to apply these changes
[12:34] <kinggoddard> ya ive done a reboot twice
[12:34] <kinggoddard> its acting really funky
[12:34] <kinggoddard> sometimes it loads in 800x600 resolution and then others it has the full 4k resolution
[12:35] <tomreyn> !uptodate
[12:35] <kinggoddard> im all up to date
[12:35] <kinggoddard> this is a fresh install and that is the first thing i did
[12:35] <kinggoddard> i haven't had an issue like this since ubuntu 6 something
[12:36] <tomreyn> note that 21.04 uses xwayland by default, which nvidia wasn't playing well with for a long time. i don't know whether this is solved, yet
[12:36] <tomreyn> you can swithc to xorg on the login screen
[12:36] <kinggoddard> ok
[12:36] <tomreyn> there'sa little cog after you chose or entered the  username
[12:36] <DarthMeow> naw wayland and nvidia still don't get along.
[12:37] <DarthMeow> at least mine doesn't.
[12:38] <kinggoddard> i tried it doesn't display the cog wheel icon
[12:41] <kinggoddard> i haven't had to deal with this for a long time i dont know what to do since ubuntu has changed so much
[12:41] <tomreyn> kinggoddard: hmm maybe you need to install xserver-xorg, yet
[12:42] <kinggoddard> says its installed
[12:44] <tomreyn> and apparently there is some kind of automatic fallback mechanism if you're nvidia affected
[12:44] <tomreyn> so it should already be defaulting to xserver-xorg for you.
[12:45] <tomreyn> you could go through your logs now and try to understand that's failing, and how.
[12:45] <tomreyn> journalctl -kb   for starters
[12:46] <kinggoddard> not seeing any obvious issues
[12:46] <tomreyn> or journalctl -p4 -b
[12:47] <kinggoddard> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7Nn4WTJQGP/
[12:48] <tomreyn> those lines are incomplete, pipe output into "pastebinit" or "nc termbin.com 9999"
[12:50] <kinggoddard> https://termbin.com/ig0g
[12:52] <tomreyn> i assume this line and the following ones are relevant:  xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)
[12:53] <tomreyn> how are you starting X? is gdm working fine?
[12:53] <kinggoddard> ya man just a fresh install
[12:53] <kinggoddard> literally finished like 30 minutes ago
[13:01] <tomreyn> kinggoddard: try a bios update., if this doesn't help, try passing    acpi_rev_override=1     to the "linux" line on the grub menu temporarily
[13:01] <tomreyn> !kernelparm | kinggoddard
[13:05] <tomreyn> hmmthis systemis still trying to use the nouveau driver, not the nvidia one
[13:31] <gneeriiloeepdeer> how has the pandemic affected ubuntu as a project? Usually I get a message to upgrade a week after release. This time it tool 7 weeks.
[13:35] <kinggoddard> ya nvidia driver signature
[13:35] <kinggoddard> How would you solve this the correct way?
[13:35] <kinggoddard> some kind of bios entry?
[13:36] <kinggoddard> i thought UEFI was all we had to worry about but not even a driver signature for hardware?
[13:38] <TJ-> gneeriiloeepdeer: "bugs!"
[13:51] <src> gneeriiloeepdeer: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/04/why-you-cant-upgrade-to-ubuntu-21-04-for-now
[13:51] <src> if you want to read up on it
[14:01] <gneeriiloeepdeer> ...
[14:01] <gneeriiloeepdeer> something strange happened after upgrading to 21.04 I am now in the terminal as root
[14:02] <gneeriiloeepdeer> how do I check if the upgrade is finished?
[14:02] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I havent been told to reboot the machine
[14:02] <src> how did you upgrade? just check your running processes?
[14:03] <gneeriiloeepdeer> src, terminal, do-release-upgrade
[14:04] <oerheks> so, you did not reboot after upgrade?
[14:04] <gneeriiloeepdeer> src, you mean htop?
[14:04] <oerheks> interesting..
[14:04] <gneeriiloeepdeer> oerheks, usually the machine tells me to reboot
[14:04] <src> gneeriiloeepdeer: top, htop, ps -aux, whatever you want to use
[14:05] <gneeriiloeepdeer> this is very strange: I am using vlc to play a mkv file, but accordinh to htop, 0% of the CPU is in use
[14:06] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I mean, on top of htop, the cores are being used (25% to 35%), but in the body of information all cpu use os 0%
[14:07] <gneeriiloeepdeer> privoxy informed that my local version and the new version are different, so I chose option 2 to see the differences between both files
[14:07] <oerheks> .. really, reboot first before you start wondering
[14:07] <src> yes
[14:08] <src> it seems like you're actively looking for more problems, focus on what it is you are trying to solve
[14:08] <src> which seems finishing your upgrade
[14:08] <gneeriiloeepdeer> oerheks, do I not become a prompt to reboot if I upgrade with do-release-upgrade ?
[14:08] <oerheks> in the gui, yes
[14:08] <gneeriiloeepdeer> only in the gui I recive a message to upgrade...
[14:08] <oerheks> i wonder why you are still here ..
[14:09] <gneeriiloeepdeer> communication issues
[14:10] <src> next message: "how do I know the upgrade worked" or something like that
[14:11] <oerheks> there is a trick to see if reboot is necessary
[14:11] <oerheks> but really, do release has finished, what does one do, open a mkv file and wonder about errors
[14:23] <gneeriiloeepdeer> oerheks, I tried systemctl poweroff and got: 'Operation inhibited by "APT" (PID 44929 "hirsute", user root), reason is "APT is installing or removing packages".'
[14:29] <maxFlexGuest> I am having trouble viewing the deb link to an APT repository with a key that is not available on /etc/apt/sources.list
[14:30] <gneeriiloeepdeer> bottomline is: I dont want a broken system
[14:36] <gneeriiloeepdeer> what do I do to solve this? Operation inhibited by "UpdateManager" (PID 35159 "n/a", user root), reason is "Updating System"
[14:37] <TJ-> tomreyn: others: the issue I described earlier with a UEFI boot on a Dell XPS 9550, using 21.04, is due to the initrd.img being too large! the standard initrd.img's are over 100MB. I changed MODULES=most to MODULES=dep in /etc/initramfs-toosl/initramfs.conf and rebuilt so it's 52M and now it works
[14:37] <TJ-> this could be an ongoing issue mostly due to stuffing the initrd.img with almost every /lib/firmware file especially e.g. all the AMD GPU firmwares even when no AMD GPU is installed
[15:03] <TJ-> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/1931024
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> EriC^^: ^
[15:19] <grovershor> TJ you worked hard for that 1
[15:21] <aiena> is there a way to only show package names witg apt-cache search
[15:21] <aiena> i want an easy way to install filtered packages
[15:21] <aiena> without the discriptions
[15:22] <TJ-> grovershor: I only get the hard problems!
[15:24] <ioria> aiena, you mean --names-only ? e.g. apt-cache search pkg  --names-only
[15:24] <grovershor> TJ-: haha...I'm sure he is happy to have a functioning laptop
[15:25] <aiena> ioria: I tried that it still prints out the descriptions
[15:26] <ioria> aiena, apt-cache search pkg --names-only | awk '{print $1}'
[15:56] <tomreyn> TJ-: but it wasn't just that /boot ran full, right?
[15:58] <TJ-> tomreyn: no, purely the size of the initrd (105M) we will test but I suspect anything over 64MB is going to fail
[16:00] <tomreyn> hmm, but when the user booted fine without disk encryption, wasn't it larger than 64 MB then, too?
[16:05] <tomreyn> TJ-: i was convinced you had said that installing and then booting without disk encryption worked fine. but i can't seem to find this now, maybe i misread.
[16:08] <TJ-> yes, that was after 21.04 initially failed so they tried 20.04
[16:09] <TJ-> I think there was some poking about with random web suggestions in there too, until I got involved
[16:09] <TJ-> initially I was told non-LUKS works, LUKS doesn't, but when I tried to reproduce that, both failed
[16:09] <tomreyn> i see
[16:10] <TJ-> it's a rum one! I've carried my own patches for a long time that make initrd.img less than 20MB
[16:10] <tomreyn> good job solving that miracle!
[16:10] <TJ-> cannot see why it gets packed with almost everything since it is built on/for the system - only time it needs all that is maybe for the installer
[16:11] <TJ-> only makes sense for a portable installation device
[16:11] <TJ-> and obviously impacts on load/boot times
[16:11] <TJ-> I almost went to Italy to get my hands on the PC!
[16:48] <morgans> and... I am extracting an archive and I cant see a  way to make a new folder OR KNOW THE NAME OF THE FOLDER to which it is being extracted.  (IMHO FAIL) 20.04
[16:49] <morgans> Or is it just going to be in Downloads..? what an unclear (unfriendly) situation'
[16:56] <morgans> OK I have it and couldn't rename it. I copied it and renamed it and Now I see no way to move this to a different folder. This is lame. Sorry. I just want Ubuntu to be better.
[16:59] <src> morgans: what archive type, and what's the command you're using
[16:59] <src> (to extract it)
[17:01] <src> my assumption is that if you try to extract from an archive and you can't extract into a specific folder or don't know to where it is extracted, it's a user error / misunderstanding
[17:05] <morgans> now search cant even find it. what is going on? have to redownload it into directory I jaut made.
[17:07] <bewees> hi
[17:07] <bewees> how can I fix this kernel error of ubuntu? https://dpaste.org/V2OH
[17:08] <morgans> and show the files dowsnt show them. Now I suppost that the Recovery Image did NOT properly restore the files functions.  (src You dont know the history of following instructions here (no blams=e) and losing my "files icon,. Activities did not respond when I asked for files. Did not give me "Files". Now it does because I installed the file manager from the Softwar)
[17:09] <morgans> oh well, it's hell
[18:19] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I upgraded ubuntu to 21.04 and now I cannot use vlc. From the terminal, typing 'vlc' returns: '/snap/vlc/2288/bin/desktop-launch: line 51: /home/al/.config/user-dirs.dirs: Permission denied    Error: unable to open display :0.0    VLC media player 3.0.14 Vetinari (revision 3.0.14-0-g41878ff4f2)
[18:20] <gneeriiloeepdeer> how can I solve this?
[18:25] <aiena> gneeriiloeepdeer: uninstall the snap version of vlc and install the repo version of vlc
[18:25] <lotuspsychje> gneeriiloeepdeer: the snap version of vlc you can contact; contact:   https://www.videolan.org/support/ for snap issues
[18:25] <oerheks> no, go into settings, there is a section permissions for software
[18:25] <oerheks> after upgrade, you might need to check this again
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> good idea
[18:28] <gneeriiloeepdeer> oerheks, do you mean in synaptic?
[18:30] <oerheks> synaptic?
[18:30] <oerheks> systemsettings somewhere
[18:35] <icedwater> tomreyn: thanks, hang on
[18:38] <icedwater> tomreyn: I didn't see that file in /var/log, I'll check again when I have the time to do so.
[18:38] <icedwater> Right now, I have python upgrade issues to deal with, when I try to pip install anything, I get ModuleNotFoundError: No module named '_sysconfigdata__x86_64-linux-gnu'
[18:39] <icedwater> Let me put that on ubuntu paste
[18:41] <icedwater> This is the ModuleNotFoundError I get when I try to upgrade pip: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/T7rQYQWQyN/
[18:43] <oerheks> not sure on what ubuntu version, but python2 is not installed standard, you want pip3
[18:48] <gneeriiloeepdeer> if after a command the output is too big to fit in the screen, how do I trim it?
[18:50] <TJ-> gneeriiloeepdeer: pipe it into less and page through it
[18:50] <TJ-> gneeriiloeepdeer: e.g. mycommand options | less
[18:51] <icedwater> oerheks: was that for me? I'm on 20.04, I installed python-is-python3 and it doesn't work with pip3 either, anyway
[18:53] <gneeriiloeepdeer> nice TJ-
[18:55] <TJ-> gneeriiloeepdeer: with 'less' you can also search with regular expressions. Type / followed by a search term then press Enter. press 'n' to move to 'next', 'p' to previous. press 'g' to goto top, 'G' to goto end,  'q' to quit
[18:55] <TJ-> gneeriiloeepdeer: PgUp and PgDn (page up / down) also
[18:58] <icedwater> This is the ModuleNotFoundError I get when I try to upgrade pip3 that I don't with pip2: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/FxscBPBh3g/
[18:58] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I can run vlc, but not in windowed mode. Why?
[19:11] <aiena> gneeriiloeepdeer: I would recommend you remove the snap and install the repo version of vlc
[19:11] <aiena> I can't help you much with snaps
[19:12] <gneeriiloeepdeer> so snaps is known to be faulty?
[19:12] <aiena> no but their a little more of a black box
[19:13] <aiena> If you are not happy with the distro version of vlc then you can compile your own vlc too but that we cannot support
[19:13] <aiena> I am not fond of snaps but others have different experiences
[19:13] <aiena> I am not on ubuntu 21.x otherwise i would install the snap and try to help you troubleshoot
[19:14] <aiena> gneeriiloeepdeer: can you ubuntu paste the output of the command "snap list"
[19:16] <aiena> gneeriiloeepdeer: instead of uninstalling you can do this "sudo snap disable vlc" then do "sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-getinstall vlc" to install the ubuntu repo version
[19:16] <aiena> *... then do "sudo apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get install vlc" to install the ubuntu repo version
[19:17] <gneeriiloeepdeer> thanks aiena , but im lazying now
[19:17] <aiena> gneeriiloeepdeer: what is the output of "snap list" command?
[19:19] <gneeriiloeepdeer> several apps, vlc deleted
[19:23] <oerheks> finally we have a perfect confinement and a tool in systemsettings, people start to recommend removing snaps
[19:23] <oerheks> please. don't do that here, aiena3
[20:09] <Guest54> on optimus laptop, how do I launch a game with the dedicated card if it's not the default one?
[20:22] <Walex2> Guest6603: start a new X Windows session...
[20:24] <grumbel> I am looking for a checksum tool similar to md5sum/sha256/etc., but one that can tell (approximatly) why the file doesn't match the hash (e.g. if the file got truncated or if a bit flipped), anything like that in Ubuntu? Kind of like xdelta/rsync, but working on a hash, not the full file.
[20:26] <gneeriiloeepdeer> do you guys ignore snap and install only from the repo?
[20:30] <grumbel> gneeriiloeepdeer: Yep. If possible I use Nix or Guix for additional packages that are only available via snap otherwise.
[20:30] <gneeriiloeepdeer> grumbel, why?
[20:31] <grumbel> gneeriiloeepdeer: snap is proprietary garbage, if I wanted that, I'd use the Apple App store
[20:31] <gneeriiloeepdeer> oh...
[20:31] <grumbel> flatpak is another option to get packages onto Ubuntu
[20:32] <grumbel> Now of course snap contains bits of Open Source somebody might argue, and that's true, but the tool is very much build to funnel people into Canonicals app store and nowhere else (e.g. no support for third party repositories)
[20:33] <grumbel> Mind you, I haven't look any deeper into it than surface level, but there were enough red flags to avoid it
[20:34] <gneeriiloeepdeer> thanks gr
[20:34] <gneeriiloeepdeer> thanks grumbel
[20:35] <gneeriiloeepdeer> grumbel, do you develop / work for ubuntu?
[20:35] <grumbel> No, but they do ship some of my software.
[20:36] <grumbel> More generally speaking, the way the online side of things is organized is just as important, if not more so, than the license of the source code, however in the Free Software world that is still not getting much attention and we don't really have any guidelines to cover that.
[20:37] <grumbel> And snap just violates a few to many things that I would expect from a user freedom respecting software tool
[20:38] <grumbel> (not that dpkg/apt doesn't, but those are 20+ years old, I expect more from a next-gen package tool)
[20:39] <gneeriiloeepdeer> I understand
[20:42] <grumbel> snap also seems to be missing an 'apt-get source' equivalent, kind of not a good design for the Open Source world
[20:49] <grumbel> ssdeep looks to bo a tool that can do fuzzy hashing and detect similar files
[21:05] <ogra> grumbel, stating snap is crap but ten claiming you only looked at the sureface sounds pretty poor ...
[21:05] <ogra> *then
[21:06] <ogra> grumbel, every snap that has been built by the public service shuips its full build receipe (snapcraft.yaml) inside by default ... you dont need "apt-get source", its all in there
[21:08] <ogra> grumbel, also, can you specify what "many thigs" snap actually "violates" ... i'm sure the snapd developers would like to hear details to fix this
[21:28] <gneeriiloeepdeer> is apt easier on resources than snap?
[21:30] <ogra> they are different ... apt packages are usually older but deep integrated into the system .... snaps are usually way newer and are completely shielded from the system, so they ship a bit more (libs and other dependencies) inside
[21:31] <Aavar> I have an issue where I try to connect to a machine (container) via ssh and i get this error: "aavar@minecraft: Permission denied (publickey)." Anyone know what that's all about?
[21:31] <ogra> but saps come also with a builting roll-back system you can always go back to the former version of your sftware if you do not like an update for exampe
[21:31] <ogra> *snaps
[21:32] <ogra> Aavar, your ssh key is not inside the container i'd guess
[21:32] <Aavar> ogra: Does it have to be? With a "normal" machine I never had this issue? Should it not be added automatically on first connect?
[21:33] <Aavar> (I am using password authentication btw)
[21:33] <ogra> well, looks like your container does not use password auth
[21:34] <ogra> else it would offer a prompt to you
[21:34] <Aavar> ogra: Tnx. I'll google that ;)
[21:42] <grumbel> ogra: if it's already crap on the surface that's enough to avoid it
[21:42] <Aavar> ogra: Thank you. I enabled it in the config. Weidest thing... ssh (password) worked on one of 4 containers before I changed the setting in the ssh config...
[21:44] <grumbel> ogra: lack of cross distro support, lack of third party repository
[21:44] <ogra> grumbel, what exactly is "crap on the surface" ? making such claims in an #ubuntu supoort channel while the majority of ubuntu developers puts their heart into is is pretty rude, dont you think ? at least give some factual data
[21:45] <ogra> grumbel, what do you mean by lacking distro support ... last i checkd snaps were running on at least 13 different distros and a ton of derivatives
[21:54] <bigpod> grumbel: lets break those  claims down properly only thing that is a part of snap ifrastructure that you as user interact with it that is proprietary (close source software) is the server more specificly the api that the snap client contacts for infromation. something that is realy not that important to be opensourced from usage perspective if you
[21:54] <bigpod> ask me.  sure it would be nice but if its not then OK, the apt-get source equivalent is something that i dont think you realy need aka a source repo, if you want to build from source use gentoo if im honest i never understood properly why debian has those, distro support basicly anything with a systemd can do snaps so basicly majority of all
[21:54] <bigpod> distributions. now lack third party repositories is something i dont like either but probably for a different reason as well, but if im honnest you could implement your own repository system if you realy wanted it wouldnt be that hard since guess what client is open source.
[21:55] <SWAT> upgraded to hirsute (from groovy) and suddenly my NIC won't work after suspending to RAM (can't even bring the interface down/up again with ifconfig). Any tips on how to debug or how to best move forward?
[21:55] <ogra> grumbel, here is a snap i maintain , it has over 200000 users and if you expand the "vew more" at the distro list on the bottom right you will see that it is used on way more than 60 differet distros https://snapcraft.io/zoom-client
[21:56] <grumbel> bigpod: so the server is closed source and snap doesn't support third party repositories. Correct?
[21:57] <ogra> grumbel, the API is open, and the source for snapd too
[21:57] <ogra> and there are initiatives of pepole actually implementing other stores
[21:58] <ogra> for example https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/verify-an-assertion-signature-without-snapd/21718
[21:58] <ogra> abywaym we should take this to #ubuntu-discuss, it is clearly off-topic here
[21:58] <ogra> *anyway
[21:59] <oerheks> what do you mean with 'third party repositories'?
[21:59] <bigpod> grumbel: correct server is closed source as far as i know but to be honest i have never realy looked much at it, and there is no official third party repository support if i remember correctly. but because snapd is open and API is open as well you could easily implement a second store and realy easly change to point to that one and recompile
[21:59] <grumbel> ogra: It doesn't really matter if *other* people do something with snap, what matters is that Canonical doesn't. They want to control the store and the apps you run.
[21:59] <oerheks> if you develop software, it is up to you to include those, and make sure the license is set right
[21:59] <grumbel> ogra: That's a fundamental break of trust
[22:00] <bigpod> oerheks: think ppas or other peoples repos not just canonicals
[22:00] <ogra> grumbel, lets take it to #ubuntu-discuss please
[22:00] <Aavar> I have a weid issue with tab completion. (ssh is just an example of the issue). When i type "ssh <something> and press Tab I get this error: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/PqgHPrSKPw/ Does anyone know what's up?
[22:00] <ogra> this is for support, not discussion
[22:00] <ogra> *this channel
[22:01] <oerheks> one still can add 3rd party apt sources. no snap stores, only local stored snaps.
[22:02] <bigpod> oerheks: problem here we are discussing is that there isnt a possibility for third party snap stores.
[22:02] <grumbel> Aavar: some locate issue, try 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' or something to install/generate what's missing
[22:02] <grumbel> Aavar: tab completion runs internally stuff from /etc/bash_completion.d/
[22:02] <grumbel> Aavar: and some of that is probably causing the error
[22:03] <grumbel> Aavar: There is also /usr/share/bash-completion/
[22:05] <ogra> Aavar, how did you install this system, seems the language settings are not complete
[22:14] <Aavar> ogra: A reboot solved the issue :) (And I was told that asking Mint questions in #ubuntu was frond upon ;))
[22:15] <jeremy31> !mint | Aavar
[22:16] <Aavar> :)
[22:16] <ogra> Aavar, ah great then ...
[23:09] <rrr> I use ubuntu-server on a pi, is there a place for such an inquiry?
[23:10] <tomreyn> rrr: there's #ubuntu-arm and #ubuntu-server
[23:11] <rrr> ok.
[23:11] <rrr> ty.