[08:03] <GaryK> Good Morning peeps
[08:13] <zxmpi> o/
[09:19] <Myrtti> time of day
[10:12] <zxmpi> internet is down :-P https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/1402205629939216384
[10:30] <webpigeon[m]> fastly went bang apprently
[10:30] <webpigeon[m]> https://status.fastly.com/
[10:31] <GaryK> bang or boing
[10:33] <popey> GaryK hello
[10:33] <GaryK> hi popey xxx
[13:18] <daftykins> \o
[13:20] <zxmpi> o/
[13:20] <daftykins> waking up to this lasses complaints daily is really wearing me out
[13:21] <GaryK> oh dear
[13:21] <daftykins> can you try a network cable? "nope"
[13:21] <daftykins> wat!?
[13:21] <zxmpi> her laptop doesn't have serial :-P
[13:21] <daftykins> biab coffee time xD
[13:22] <GaryK> is that it? a single word reply?
[13:23] <GaryK> maybe HR need to be aware that an employee is being obstructive to resolving an issue and maybe needs to be trained?
[13:24] <zxmpi> this person is most likely the boss of a small business
[13:25] <GaryK> probably, or the company has no HR, or this is the HR person lol
[13:25] <GaryK> and then it'll be "IT has not fixed the issue" what does IT do etc etc
[13:39] <daftykins> nah it's an employee of my pal's small biz, it wasn't one word - just said her router is on another floor so it wouldn't be an option 
[13:40] <daftykins> this user also has a rented office space though at one of those shared type locations, report today was that the same trouble occurred there... but i'm trying to pinpoint the commonality of the same laptop and wifi driver being in use each time
[13:41] <daftykins> ah well, i'm thinking of suggesting moving the running of the web app to the VM she uses for database tasks, once it's on-site and running from the other side of the VPN, it should pinpoint where the issue lies
[13:43] <webpigeon[m]> somewhere in the rough area of keyboard and chair? /s
[13:44] <daftykins> hehe
[13:44] <zxmpi> somewhere within reach of percussion maintenance :-)
[13:48] <daftykins> her latency is definitely much better today, straight 20ms over the tunnel
[14:04] <daftykins> it's a new setup that it's taken forever to get this user to thoroughly test, so there could be kinks in the web proxy config... but when she reports issues her screenshots show the VPN as having disconnected so i was blaming her home broadband to start!
[14:08] <daftykins> heh i woke up to an elderly client asking for me to verify a bitcoin scam email too, oy
[14:08] <daftykins> just because i do your IT work doesn't mean i want to become a human spam filter, people!
[14:09] <zxmpi> saw a shop here selling bitcoin tokens for E10 :-P
[14:13] <zxmpi> i think the general rule is that if you work with computers you can handle anything with a plug on it :-P
[14:14] <daftykins> yip!
[14:14] <zxmpi> you've never debugged a toaster? :-P
[14:14] <daftykins> i usually ignore the "is it spam?" ones from clients
[14:14] <daftykins> to this day i have yet to firmware update a toaster, but i know the day is just around the corner
[14:15] <zxmpi> as long as the firmware upgrade comes on a floppy :-P
[14:16] <daftykins> me and my trusty Windows 98 Pentium III are ready!
[14:16] <zxmpi> waiting for the day it is called upon again
[14:16] <zxmpi> till then lemmings is ready to run
[14:17] <daftykins> once i get through this coffee i've got to bag up a couple of PoE switches and a pair of Ubiquiti WiFi APs and go and test the old unproven cat5 cable in this couple's huge house
[14:20] <zxmpi> sounds fun. it works. it doesn't. it works. what changed? that ant walked down the wall :-P
[14:24] <daftykins> mmm, i'm going to take the PoE injector and show what it looks like, as if their cabling isn't up to it, the APs could still be used but just need power right beside of course
[14:24] <daftykins> they've got this huge towering place, then a greenhouse slapped on one end which they spend time in... and naturally that has no coverage right now
[14:25] <daftykins> since i'd unpicked their poor broadband before, i'd discovered their phone system etc so there must be 24 locations around the house wired up to this PBX patch panel setup which can become APs :D
[14:25] <zxmpi> and is either 0c or 45c and no inbetween 
[15:35] <ball> This channel is a terrible influence on me.
[15:36] <zxmpi>  makes you want to set up a bbs with ansi graphics? :-P
[15:37] <ball> zxmpi: It made me install Ubuntu desktop.
[15:37] <ball> zxmpi: In my BBS days I used to disable ANSI graphics and choose 7-bit ASCII.
[15:38] <zxmpi> ah, a purist :-P
[15:38] <ball> zxmpi: Well that and I was usually on a mono display ;-)
[15:39] <zxmpi> very proper
[15:42] <ball> So I'm in the software app looking for LibreOffice and I can't find it.
[15:43] <ball> Might just try installing it from the command line.
[15:44]  * ball shrugs
[15:44] <ball> Worked from the command line.
[15:44] <ball> I'll just assume the Ubuntu Software app is broken.
[15:47] <zxmpi> i usually use synaptic
[15:48] <zxmpi> not a snap store fan
[15:48] <ball> I don't know what that is.
[15:48] <ball> apt-get seemed to work though.
[15:50] <zxmpi> synaptic package manager. gui frontend for apt
[15:50] <ball> I may not have that yet.
[15:50] <ball> (I did the minimal installation)
[15:51] <ball> Does Ubuntu use demand-based clock control by default?
[15:51] <ball> (I noticed that /proc/cpuinfo said my CPU was 800 MHz)
[16:10] <ball> What's a minimal desktop hypervisor for use with Ubuntu?  Gnome-box?
[16:18] <webpigeon[m]> virt-manager is pretty useful (if that's still packaged)
[16:19] <webpigeon[m]> guess it depends how minimal you're after
[16:20] <webpigeon[m]> Scroll back makes me wonder if PoE toaster should be a thing
[16:22] <webpigeon[m]> Suspect a toaster probably would want more than ~12-71w
[16:35] <zxmpi> i did recently see a usb microwave for heating beans at your desk 
[16:39]  * ball files that under Things that Shouldn't Exist.
[16:39] <zxmpi> should be a usb doomsday device to cook your beans :-)
[16:40] <ball> Let's see whether I can figure out this virt-manager thing.
[17:13] <ball> Ah nice, I'll need to install kvm too then.
[17:21] <ball> brb
[19:11] <daftykins> :D
[19:11] <daftykins> virtualisation is great fun
[19:20] <daftykins> i made it home, the cat5 handles the PoE goodness well \o/
[19:21] <arif-ali> daftykins: PoE is wonderful :)
[19:21] <daftykins> yeah these folks bought this house with this ancient Panasonic phone system so i wasn't sure what it would handle
[19:37] <ball> I'll go away now...
[21:57]  * ball sighs
[21:57] <ball> In case this happens to me again, how do I get out of the stupid screen that shows me a thumbnail of each application that I can't interact with?
[21:58] <ball> (you know, without having to reboot the PC).
[22:02] <daftykins> what desktop is this?
[22:03] <daftykins> just super (Windows key) on the keyboard would probably do it, if it's what i'm guessing it is
[22:06]  * ball bravely presses it.
[22:06] <ball> Ah ok, thanks.
[22:06] <daftykins> np :)
[22:06] <ball> I'm trying not to be too annoyed by it.
[22:07] <daftykins> i suspect you got that from rolling the mouse into one of the screen corners, might be easily turned off 
[22:07] <webpigeon[m]> assuming it's the overlay, wouldn't clicking on one of the desktops also take you the selected desktop?
[22:08] <webpigeon[m]> maybe it wouldn't, it's muscle memory at this point :P
[22:08]  * daftykins doesn't even use Ubuntu Desktop
[22:09] <ball> It didn't.  I tried pressing things, double-clicking things... ended up having to reboot the stupid thing.
[22:09] <ball> Can't complain too much, at least Ubuntu installed and booted.
[22:09] <ball> That puts it ahead of some operating systems.
[22:14] <daftykins> where there's a will, there's a way :D
[22:14] <webpigeon[m]> https://forty.gnome.org/ might help
[22:15] <webpigeon[m]> can't remember if ubuntu ships with gnome 40, think it does
[22:18] <ball> They got from 3 to 40 pretty fast!
[22:19] <webpigeon[m]> well, it was meant to be 3.40 but there was this whole thing about the name a while back
[22:19] <ball> That's weird.
[22:20] <webpigeon[m]> a little strange, but I'm sure it made sense to them at the time. Not sure it really matters too much to be honest :P