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[20:30] <jeremy31> tomreyn: or a why did they decide for Ubuntu desktop to run hwe
[20:31] <tomreyn> jeremy31: probably to not have so many whine about "my newly bought shiny $5000 computer don't work!!! ubuntu sucks!!!"
[20:31] <daftykins> not a fan of how that seems forced in 20.04 :(
[20:31] <daftykins> on server mainly, is where i dislike it
[20:31] <oerheks> hwe is enabled from the .1 version
[20:32] <oerheks> 20.04.1
[20:32] <tomreyn> so the website is wrong?
[20:32] <jeremy31> It is on the ISO from the first release, the beta didn't have it
[20:33] <oerheks> fresh install 20.04.1
[20:33] <oerheks> so not by updating.
[20:33] <jeremy31> fresh install 20.04
[20:33] <daftykins> i've seen it happen through updating, new behaviour compared with the past
[20:34] <jeremy31> It was listed in the manifest for the 20.04 ISO, it didn't start using 5.8 until sometime in January
[20:35] <tomreyn> defaulting to hwe makes sense to me, on desktops, and it's only applies there. unless, of course, you have picky hardware which also doesn't work on wayland 5 years after it was introduced and two years after X.org was considered "EOL soon"
[20:35] <sarnold> yeah I think they changed how hwe works in 20.04
[20:39] <jeremy31> I did a fresh install a while ago from my ISO from a year ago and was surprised to have a 5.8 kernel when I booted into it
[20:42] <jeremy31> the manifest file is at http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/20.04/ubuntu-20.04-desktop-amd64.manifest line 1349
[20:42] <daftykins> i'd be very interested to see the statistics on the number of modern vs. older generation systems being used
[20:43] <jeremy31> This laptop is 7 years old and it seems the hwe kernels are in the system before the dkms packages are patched to support them
[20:59] <tomreyn> that's probably a system where you should be staying on the GA kernel then: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack#Ubuntu_20.04_LTS_-_Focal_Fossa
[21:00] <jeremy31> I removed the hwe and keep it on the LTS kernel