[00:00] <ryu_> DataDude1: This would be with the Tor network turned off.
[00:02] <ryu_> src: There has been a lot of research done and many developers working togethor to improve on the privacy aspects of Firefox.  It is no small difference.
[00:02] <knaccc> sarnold what is very cool though is that i don't lose out on email from cron when sendmail is stopped. I have a cron job that executes every 1 minute and just does echo "hello". When I stop sendmail, i don't get an email every minute any more. but as soon as i restart sendmail, mutt shows me all of the emails for all of the minutes during which sendmail was stopped
[00:02] <knaccc> so something clever is happening
[00:03] <sarnold> knaccc: that's very clever indeed. I wonder where that's happening.
[00:05] <knaccc> sarnold syslog says "sendmail" and "sm-msp-queue" are "sleeping for retry"
[00:05] <sarnold> knaccc: oh wow that looks like it's *actually* sendmail http://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=sm-msp-queue
[00:05] <sarnold> are you sure that's what you want to do?
[00:06] <knaccc> lol ok now i'm really confused as to what is going on
[00:06] <knaccc> i need to do another fresh ubuntu install and see what happens
[00:06] <knaccc> i have no idea what installed the sendmail service
[00:06] <tomreyn> you want to purge sendmail and reconfigure postfix, setting it up with local mail delivery
[00:06] <tomreyn> you did
[00:07] <knaccc> oh looks like i did do "apt install sendmail", this is my fault
 To get crontab to send emails, i ended up installing "apt install mailutils postfix sendmail mutt". [..]
[00:07] <knaccc> tomreyn are you saying i should uninstall sendmail and keep postfix?
[00:08] <tomreyn> yes, probably
[00:08] <knaccc> tomreyn cool, thanks, i'll try that. isn't postfix supposed to be much more secure than sendmail though?
[00:08] <tomreyn> sendmail is stone age software, no one sane would use it in a new project nowadays
[00:09] <knaccc> oh oops i misread what you said
[00:09] <tomreyn> postfix is also old, but also newer than sendmail, and has evolved more
[00:09] <sarnold> and started with a much better base
[00:10] <tomreyn> newer MTAs usually provider a 'sendmail (look-alike) interface
[00:11] <tomreyn> for backwards compatibility and simple local mail delivery
[00:13] <tomreyn> postfix is actually very large for just local mail delivery, but i'm not sure what the better smaller option is, if any.
[00:14] <tomreyn> and you can easily configure it to just relay mail locally, not listening on :25 (or anything network-ish) so that's not an issue
[00:15] <sarnold> oh good now I know who is good at postfix config :)
[00:15] <tomreyn> you do? who is? i want to get to know this person!
[00:15] <sarnold> oh no I knew him first!
[00:17] <knaccc> wow postfix is really hard to set up, it doesn't work out of the box
[00:17] <tomreyn> did you     sudo dpkg-reconfigure postfix    ?
[00:18] <sarnold> yeah, email servers are like that. iirc the debconf prompts in ^^ that command are pretty good at getting 90% of sites up and running
[00:19] <tomreyn> you actually get those prompts on the first installation, unless there's no interface for it.
[00:19] <knaccc> tomreyn ooh, yes dpkg-reconfigure postfix looks like it will help with the aliases db. it's asking me if i want to use procmail, which will force mail to root to go to a non-root user
[00:20] <sarnold> see what's what I thought, but I recently saw soemthing that didn't prompt during install but did if you ran dpkg-reconfigure manually .. so now I'm second guessing myself
[00:20] <knaccc> should i say no to procmail?
[00:20] <knaccc> "Please choose whether you want to use procmail to deliver local mail. Note that if you use procmail to deliver mail system-wide, you should set up an alias that forwards mail for root to a real user. Use procmail for local delivery?"
[00:20] <sarnold> I think no to procmail; I think users can still set up procmail themselves if they wish
[00:21] <knaccc> cool ok
[00:21] <tomreyn> i thnk so, too
[00:23] <knaccc> lol now cron emails are bouncing according to syslog, with "sender non-delivery notification"
[00:23] <sarnold> aaaaaaa
[00:25] <tomreyn> do you have MAILTO set to something in the crontab?
[00:27] <knaccc> tomreyn no, because i just want e.g. root cronjobs to have errors/stdout emailed to root
[00:27] <knaccc> and it was working before
[00:27] <knaccc> with sendmail
[00:27] <knaccc> i think maybe i need a root alias set up
[00:28] <tomreyn> hmm, sorry. i don't think you need a root alias. mail for root should just get stored in /var/spool/mail/root by default
[00:32] <knaccc> tomreyn ooh it's working! what was going wrong is that my box had the hostname redacted, and cron was sending the email to user@redacted.localdomain instead of just to user@redacted or user@localhost. So i edited the mydestination list in main.cf and now it's working!!!
[00:32] <knaccc> thanks so much for your help, tomreyn and sarnold
[00:32] <knaccc> and it's got "inet_interfaces = loopback-only", so looks quite secure
[00:33] <tomreyn> myhostname = localhost    mydomain = localdomain     inet_interfaces = $loopback-only      mydestination = $myhostname, localhost.$mydomain, localhost     mynetworks_style = host      default_transport = error:outside mail is not deliverable
[00:34] <tomreyn> knaccc: something like this is maybe a good way to get started. those "    " are actually line breaks
[00:34] <tomreyn> actually     inet_interfaces = loopback-only     no $ there
[00:35] <tomreyn> i.e. as you already have it :)
[00:36] <knaccc> tomreyn thanks, yes i have "default_transport = error" already - your version says "error:outside mail is not deliverable" <- does that just change the bounce error message, but achieve the same thing?
[00:36] <tomreyn> yes
[00:36] <knaccc> i think everything was mostly set up properly in main.cf by the dpkg-reconfigure postfix when i chose Local only
[00:37] <knaccc> i'd better now go and write this all down so i don't forget it next time
[00:37] <knaccc> thanks so much
[00:38] <tomreyn> you're welcome :)
[00:38] <tomreyn> and LOL postfix.org has no https yet
[00:39] <knaccc> haha
[00:39] <knaccc> the only one thing is that i don't see any "new mail for user" notification in the terminal
[00:39] <knaccc> i wonder what controls that
[00:39] <knaccc> it's probaly a blessing that i don't get that pollution
[00:40] <tomreyn> i think it's actually your login shell which checks for it
[00:41] <knaccc> tomreyn oh wow yes you're right - "MAILPATH - A colon-separated list of file names to be checked for mail"
[00:41] <knaccc> wow i'm learning so much
[00:42] <tomreyn> there should also be MAILCHECK
[00:42] <knaccc> yeah
[00:42] <knaccc> even though other distros would have done this all out of the box, i kinda like that i got to learn more about how this all works
[00:43] <knaccc> or maybe ubuntu would have done this stuff if i'd not have chosen a minimal isntall
[00:44] <tomreyn> for a server installation, maybe, yes. most likely not for a desktop.
[00:45] <tomreyn> but even for a server i assume you'd need to actively choose to install a mail server (but this can be done as part of the installation).
[00:45] <knaccc> yeah
[00:48] <tomreyn> learning to manage your own mail server is actually fun. it just gets tedious if you'll have to deal with large mail hosts which you / users of your server want to send mail to.
[00:49] <knaccc> heh this is my eternal problem. i find all of this fun, except when i realize i've not done any actual work for a month because i've had too much fun learning about how stuff works :)
[00:50] <tomreyn> :) keep this going as long as you can afford it.
[01:03] <sarnold> knaccc: yay! :D
[01:03] <knaccc> :)
[01:05] <LittleBoy> I gave up trying to get my USB WLAN card to work on Ubuntu 20.04, so I reverted to wired LAN. LAN doesn't work lol. Booted over to Win10 partition, works fine. Ubuntu, doesn't work. Any pointers?
[01:07] <sarnold> LittleBoy: I think the usual process is check dmesg to see if there's messages like failed firmware loading, check lspci or lsusb to find what driver your NIC is using, if any, and make sure it's supported; then ip addr  and ip route and so on to see if you've got an ip address
[01:08] <knaccc> sarnold is using journalctl just as good as looking in dmesg for stuff? is anything missed by not using dmesg?
[01:08] <LittleBoy> sarnold: Thank you, I'll play around.
[01:09] <sarnold> knaccc: hmm, I *think* journalctl gets everything dmesg does, but now that you say it I'm not sure
[01:10] <knaccc> sarnold journalctl is really good for being able to pass in e.g. "--since "1 hour ago", allowing me to write a script that will not alert me forever for a particular error it's looking for
[01:10] <knaccc> but the man page for dmesg says it uses kmsg and all sorts of stuff i don't understand
[01:10] <knaccc> man dmesg
[01:10] <knaccc> oops
[01:13] <sarnold> knaccc: heh yeah dmesg isn't anywhere near that smart. it mostly just dumps whatever is in the kernel message buffer
[01:14] <sarnold> (though the ability to get 'real timestamps' from it rather than just seconds-after-boot is pretty handy)
[01:15] <knaccc> good point
[01:24] <morgans> lsblk
[01:24] <morgans> oops rong
[01:27] <morgans> please give me some help, link even or search terms, to understand all these snap mountpoints and loop stuff. I am lost. I want to see the partitions. - I did fdisk -l    also   lsblk   and II am in a tizzy.  (metaphors are great)
[01:29] <morgans> and second, I have downloaded a 20.04 iso  and there is an easier new way to rewrite this flash drive. Please remind me how. Thanks
[01:29] <toddc> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1047456/why-are-all-snaps-being-mounted-and-listed-as-block-devices-or-partitions-for-ub  snap mounting info
[01:30] <sarnold> morgans: the snap mountpoints are a type of filesystem called "squashfs" -- think of it a lot like 'mounting a zip file'
[01:30] <Bashing-om> morgans: ' sudo dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M && sync ' .
[01:30] <morgans> in removing tracker+ per advice here I kind of removed nautilus of most of it. Anyway Activities doesnt show the files program and it vanished from the dock.
[01:31] <toddc> morgans: in ubuntu 20.04 there is a startup disk creator built in and works with most dedian distro well
[01:31] <morgans> I understand mounting partitions or devices. I dont understand the outpoot and have no-meaning for the word loop. And snap is a woosh. (Yes I know it is some special system that replaced synaptic or close)
[01:33] <sarnold> morgans: the 'loopback interface' in networking is a special way that a computer can talk to itself, using the networking protocols, that's the 127.0.0.1 network on your computer
[01:33] <morgans> toddc, great I am making the startup disk. 1 down and 3 to go (one not even asked today)
[01:33] <sarnold> morgans: 'loop mounts' are similar, it's the computer 'talking to itself', sortof. there isn't a corresponding real physical device, so 'loop' was used in a similar sense
[01:33] <morgans> bbl I am going to look up loopback interface, thanks sarnold
[01:36] <morgans> Once I get that disk image I can go go gparted.  I tried to install xubuntu but it was so weird I backed off because it couldnt show me partitions. I do believe that before I installed ubuntu I used windows to partiion the entire drive so tht I wouldnt have to use windows again . (I understood that if it stated out windows then I should use windows to do any partitioning.)
[01:36] <morgans> I can go use gparted to look at the drive.
[01:37] <morgans> correction if the drive STARTED OUT AS A wINDOWS DRIVE....
[01:40] <toddc> morgans:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snap_(package_manager) this will answer a lot of questions about what and how snaps work and why they are used
[01:45] <Bashing-om> morgana: Snaps: https://ubuntu.com/blog/topics/snapcraft A good starting place :D
[02:44] <REEEEEEE> i like ubuntu
[02:49] <REEEEEEE> Hi phunyguy! Welcome to the #ubuntu channel on the new irc.libera.chat instance. Feel free to ask any questions, we'll gladly do our best to answer!
[04:13] <iHorse> moo
[04:13] <Samian> hi
[04:14] <Samian> I type top in the terminal to see the cpu usage
[04:14] <iHorse> Hi
[04:14] <Samian> under %cpu I see 16892
[04:14] <Samian> how is that possible?
[05:34] <Guest99> ubuntu software doesn't open
[05:41] <pikapika> Guest99, how and where
[05:41] <pikapika> Like the Software Center?
[05:48] <guiverc> Guest99, it maybe related to https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snap-store-broken/24902   (read the first post, you could open a termianl & test for yourself to confirm that's your issue...)
[06:11] <Comrade> Can any one here maybe help me with some i3 config?
[06:25] <pikapika> Comrade, did you uninstall some vital packages mistakenly while trying to remove gnome?
[06:25] <pikapika> Or did you just want help with i3 specific stuff
[06:26] <polve> Hi. Today my laptop is having filesystem problems. After loggin in onto Gnome, it normally operates for about 2 minutes, then it somehow becomes read-only and everything stops working. Can't even sudo shutdown. I wanted to unseat and re-seat the nvme disk, but I seem unable to open the base...
[06:26] <EriC^^> polve: anything in "dmesg"
[06:27] <polve> blk_update_request: I/O error, dev nvme0n1, sector 456077800 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x80700 phys_seg 1 prio class 0
[06:27] <polve> EriC^^: yes, unfortunately...
[06:27] <EriC^^> seems like a hardware error
[06:27] <EriC^^> polve: try to run a smart test on it, sudo apt-get install smartmontools && sudo smartctl -a /dev/nvme0n1
[06:28] <polve> EriC^^: thank you, I'll try
[06:28] <Comrade> pikapika: No, lol. My question is simple: How do I hide tabs in i3 and how do I make a floating window become hidden when not in focus?
[06:30] <polve> EriC^^: it was almost instantaneous: https://0x0.st/-LXT.txt
[06:31] <polve> does it matter that the volume has been encrypted during the Ubuntu installation process?
[06:32] <EriC^^> polve: no, ive never seen one for nvme, usually the output is different, but it does look good
[06:32] <EriC^^> maybe it's a connection issue and it needs to be plugged out and back in and such
[06:33] <polve> Yeah that's what I thought as well with my limited knowledge
[06:33] <polve> But I was unable to open the case :-( Which is kinda strange since with thinkpads that should be easy
[06:34] <kenyon> Lenovo has quite good docs and videos on opening the cases and replacing parts
[06:34] <EriC^^> polve: try sudo apt-get install nvme-cli
[06:35] <EriC^^> polve: then nvme error-log /dev/nvme0n1
[06:41] <polve> kenyon: you're right, I'll browse the pdf manual
[06:42] <polve> EriC^^: sorry for the delay. Output seems healthy... http://0x0.st/-LXS.txt
[06:46] <polve> looks like this latest reboot the problems went away
[06:46] <polve> at the end of the day I'll pry it open and re-seat the disk
[06:46] <polve> and maybe fsck it from a live iso
[06:47] <polve> I just hope I can remote work for the next 10 days or so
[06:54] <EriC^^> sounds good polve
[08:07] <Patrick6> I have run `cp /mnt/disk1/file /mnt/disk2/file' and my / drive became full because of it (it happened with pv x > y and cp x y but not with dd if=x of=y). How can I make sense of this?
[08:08] <geirha> all of them should behave the same in that regard
[08:08] <Patrick6> I don't even know what to google. :D
[08:08] <geirha> more likely /mnt/disk2 wasn't mounted
[08:09] <Patrick6> tbh, I lied, it those are hetzner volumes, I don't now what those are exactly
[08:09] <Patrick6> What are the Hetzner Cloud Volumes?
[08:09] <Patrick6> It is a feature for fast (SSD based), flexible, and cost-effective networked block storage which you can attach to your Hetzner Cloud server.
[08:10] <Patrick6> df says
[08:10] <Patrick6> .... /dev/sdc       133126984 125890600    404256 100% /mnt/HC_Volume_11688883
[08:10] <Patrick6> .... /dev/sdd       153769424  48325480  97563240  34% /mnt/HC_Volume_11699563
[08:11] <Patrick6> mount -l | grep mnt
[08:11] <Patrick6> ... /dev/sdc on /mnt/HC_Volume_11688883 type ext4 (rw,relatime,discard,data=ordered)
[08:11] <Patrick6> ... /dev/sdd on /mnt/HC_Volume_11699563 type ext4 (rw,relatime,discard,data=ordered)
[08:12] <Patrick6> so both network drives are mounted
[08:13] <Patrick6> my cp command was: cp /mnt/HC_Volume_11688883/vmail.dmp /mnt/HC_Volume_4433473/vmail.dmp
[08:13] <Patrick6> uh wait, are you right? lol
[08:14] <Patrick6> well, that's embarassing, now I need to make sense of why I used the wrong volume name but that is not relevant for this channel.
[08:15] <Patrick6> thanks for helping, anyway
[08:32] <Guest5> hello! is it possible to upgrade ubuntu 19.10 to something up to date?
[08:33] <ogra> Guest5, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[08:33] <ogra> 20.04 should surely be possible from there
[08:34] <Guest5> i looked at that page last night, didn't get it to work
[08:34] <Guest5> can i upgrade to "Groovy Gorilla"?
[08:35] <ogra> no, to focal fossa
[08:35] <ogra> you are on "groovy gorilla (19.10)"
[08:36] <Guest5> i thought it was 20.10?
[08:36] <ogra> oh, sorry, you are right
[08:37] <Guest5> ok so i can't jump over or skip 20.04? 19.10 > 20.04 > 20.10 i have to upgrade like this?
[08:37] <ogra> either way, you can upgrade to 20.04 ... and would always need to do that first ... there is no "jump over"
[08:39] <Guest5> ok how do you spell "Focal Fossa" in the source.list file? is the first word only used?
[08:39] <Guest5> "CODENAME main restricted universe multiverse"
[08:39] <ogra> change eoan to focal in that file
[08:40] <ogra> and adjust the server paths to old-releases....
[08:40] <Guest5> "deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ focal main restricted universe multiverse" like this?
[08:40] <ogra> yes
[08:41] <Guest5> ok do i have to use multiple lines? like it is in the sources.list file? for example one for universe and one for multiverse?
[08:41] <ogra> just change what is there
[08:42] <ogra> eoan to focal everywhere ... and the server url everywhere
[08:42] <ogra> oh, wait !
[08:42] <ogra> dont change eoan to focal yet !!!
[08:42] <ogra> sorry ... brainfart
[08:43] <ogra> just change the server urls for the first step
[08:44] <ogra> then "sudo apt update" to update your local package lists ...
[08:44] <ogra> "sudo apt full-upgrade" to go to all the latest packages of eoan ...
[08:45] <ogra> and then "sudo do-release-upgrade" to actually switch to focal
[08:45] <Guest5> before that last step i edit the sources.list?
[08:45] <Guest5> to insert focal?
[08:45] <ogra> no, before the very firstz step
[08:45] <ogra> no
[08:45] <ogra> do-release-upgrade will do that change
[08:46] <ogra> you dont touch "eoan" or add focal at all ... just make sure the old-release server is used before you start
[08:46] <Guest5> ok
[08:46] <Guest5> you use a qwertz keyboard? :)
[08:47] <ogra> heh, yes
[08:47] <Guest5> i will get back to you a bit later
[08:48] <Guest5> thanks for your help
[08:48] <ogra> np
[09:50] <RupertEverton> I seem to be unable to change the 'highlight' color. I edited the 'selected_bg_color:' in dconf but the color is still the same. Anything else I need to edit?
[09:53] <mgedmin> highlight color of what in what program?
[09:54] <mgedmin> selected_bg_color key under what dconf path?
[09:54] <RupertEverton> the system highlight color -- so like selected folders, text or the accent that is normally blue
[09:55] <mgedmin> that's controlled by the GTK theme, which is described in CSS, and not related to any dconf settings
[09:55] <RupertEverton> i edited /org/gnome/desktop/interface/gtk-color-scheme
[09:56] <RupertEverton> followed this guide: https://askubuntu.com/questions/63126/how-do-i-change-the-selected-items-color
[09:56] <mgedmin> I think that's for gtk 2.0?  most apps have migrated to gtk 3.0 years ago, and some are moving to gtk 4.0
[09:56] <mgedmin> that askubuntu is from 2011
[09:56] <mgedmin> things are different than they were 10 years ago
[09:57] <RupertEverton> ahh i see, is there a way to edit it now?
[09:57] <mgedmin> the default ubuntu theme is Yaru, and it's described in /usr/share/themes/Yaru/
[09:57] <mgedmin> I think the best thing to do is to create your own theme (i.e. copy it, rename, edit, then set it as default)
[09:57] <mgedmin> I think themes can also live in ~/.local/share/themes/?  so you shouldn't need to become root to tweak system files
[09:57] <mgedmin> let me google, I've never played with custom themes myself
[09:58] <mgedmin> hmm https://askubuntu.com/questions/1313267/how-can-i-customize-my-gtk-theme
[09:59] <RupertEverton> I'll take a look! cheers
[10:14] <Guest93> is it possible to run a hook or script when upgrading/installing a specific package?
[10:15] <mgedmin> maybe?  I'd check https://wiki.debian.org/DpkgTriggers
[10:16] <mgedmin> Guest93: what problem are you trying to solve?
[10:17] <mgedmin> perhaps dpkg-divert would be a better solution
[10:17] <Guest93> mgedmin i want to run a script that edit the .desktop file for an app to add 'firejail' to 'Exec'=  every time package gets updated
[10:18] <mgedmin> the simplest solution is to copy the .desktop file into ~/.local/share/applications/, and edit it once
[10:18] <mgedmin> it'll override the global .desktop from /usr/share/applications
[10:19] <mgedmin> (this assumes a single user using the machine; if you have multiple user accounts, it may be better to use dpkg-divert and edit the .desktop file in /usr/share/)
[10:20] <Guest93> thanks mgedmin
[10:24] <Guest93> why the ubuntu installer doesn't create separate /home partition when using the entire desk option, also why it doesn't fully encrypt the entire desk including /boot since grub supports luks?
[10:26] <ravage> Because the installer option clearly states that it will not do that
[10:27] <mgedmin> both are good questions; the answers are probably available in old ubunt mailing list posts
[10:27] <mgedmin> or maybe on https://discourse.ubuntu.com/
[10:27] <ravage> And for encryption you have to boot something to enter your password
[10:27] <Guest93> ravage thats the UEFI stub on the EFI parition that is not encrypted
[10:28] <ravage> You can look for something like systemd boot if you want everything encrypted
[10:28] <ravage> It's just not how the default installer does it
[10:28] <mgedmin> personally I'm more saddened by https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1514120
[10:48] <RupertEverton> Guest93 you could take a look at this guide if you're looking for an almost full-disk encryption (you can encrypt /boot) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[10:54] <Guest5> ogra i got stuck at doing "sudo do-release-upgrade" everything else worked fine
[10:54] <Guest5> https://dpaste.org/Hwua
[10:55] <mgedmin> welp, and not even an error message to explain why it aborted?
[10:56] <Guest5> "[10:56] <Guest5> i can x to destroy or r to resurrect
[10:58] <Guest5> i am trying to upgrade ubuntu 19.10
[10:58] <Guest5> i tried to resurrect, it failed again, restored system state and aborted
[11:00] <Guest5> https://dpaste.org/aBao
[11:00] <mgedmin> do the log files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ contain any clues?
[11:00] <mgedmin> start with main.log
[11:01] <mgedmin> huh your first paste and your second paste are markedly different
[11:01] <mgedmin> the first one looks as if you'd followed the process described in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades
[11:03] <Guest5> i tried to do that last night but failed and then i asked for help here
[11:04] <Guest5> i was told to NOT change the codename "eoan" in sources.list but rather only change the url to point to "old-releases" so i did that
[11:04] <mgedmin> that's right
[11:05] <Guest5> then sudo apt update, sudo apt full-upgrade, sudo do-release-upgrade
[11:07] <mgedmin> and then you got https://dpaste.org/Hwua?
[11:07] <mgedmin> after which point it would be useful to look at /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log and see if it gives a clue as to the reason for the abort
[11:07] <mgedmin> I'm not sure to what level the EOLUpgrades process is supported by Canonical; ordinarily you're supposed to upgrade your systems before they become EOL
[11:08] <mgedmin> so I can't say if it's worth filing an upgrade-manager bug
[11:08] <mgedmin> *update-manager
[11:09] <mgedmin> I would file it anyway -- ubuntu-bug update-manager
[11:09] <Guest5> my sources.list file: https://dpaste.org/9VvO
[11:10] <Guest5> is this right?
[11:11] <mgedmin> it looks right to me, yes
[11:12]  * ogra notes that he said above "sudo apt update" and "sudo apt full-upgrade" ... before running do-release-upgrade
[11:12] <ogra> (you omitted the "full-*" ... that might not have upgraded everything)
[11:13] <guiverc> Guest5, 19.10 as I recall is a different case with EOL upgrades.. they aren't supported (sorry I can't recall why though)
[11:15] <Guest5> ogra i did "sudo apt update", then "sudo apt full-upgrade" and yes i did that before "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[11:16] <ogra> Guest5, you paste shows "sudo apt upgrade" ... not full-*
[11:16] <ogra> 13 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
[11:16] <ogra> guest@pc:/etc/apt$ sudo apt upgrade
[11:16] <ogra> Reading package lists... Done
[11:17] <Guest5> aha ok
[11:17] <ogra> see if running full-upgrade installs anything else
[11:19] <Guest5> "sudo apt full-upgrade" and then it says "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded"
[11:19] <ogra> ah, k
[11:19] <DarkTrick> How do I uninstall software, if I don't know the package name?
[11:19] <mgedmin> DarkTrick: what do you know?
[11:19] <DarkTrick> name of the app
[11:20] <DarkTrick> mgedmin, ↑
[11:20] <mgedmin> you should be able to use Ubuntu Software (aka snap-store) to find the app by name and then uninstall it
[11:20] <DarkTrick> didnt work
[11:20] <DarkTrick> UB 20.10 btw
[11:20] <DarkTrick> XUB 20.10
[11:20] <mgedmin> this, of course, assumes that the app was installed via apt or via snap, and not by running a random installer script downloaded from the internet
[11:20] <DarkTrick> software center didnt find it
[11:20] <mgedmin> can we talk specifics?  what app is this?
[11:21] <DarkTrick> planmaker21
[11:21] <ogra> ... and how did you install it originally
[11:22] <DarkTrick> ogra, no idea maybe external deb file
[11:22] <ogra> so this is not your computer ?
[11:22] <Guest5> is "sudo apt-get upgrade" same as "sudo apt upgrade"? i think this post confused me previously: https://askubuntu.com/questions/999360/how-can-i-upgrade-my-eol-16-10-to-any-new-version
[11:23] <guiverc> DarkTrick, I'd use `whereis` to find it's location, the `file` to determine file type... You can use `dpkg -S` to see if file was installed from deb package.. but you'll already know if snap, or have a feeling if compiled from source etc..
[11:23] <ogra> Guest5, yes, roughly the same
[11:24] <ogra> (there are minor differences but they are ignorable in your case)
[11:24] <Guest5> also, editing sources.list to change "codename" is only done to upgrade to a newer release ahead of time? not once it's eol?
[11:24] <DarkTrick> guiverc, looks promising
[11:24] <ogra> you normally do not touch sources.list ...
[11:24] <ogra> do-release-upgrade does everything for non EOL releases
[11:24] <DarkTrick> dpkg -S found it, apt is removing
[11:25] <Guest5> ok so once it's EOL it's best to do a fresh install to get the new?
[11:26] <mgedmin> "best" depends on a bunch of factors
[11:26] <DarkTrick> Thank you for you quick help, mgedmin, ogra and guiverc!
[11:26] <mgedmin> you hit some bug that's preventing do-release-upgrade from working
[11:27] <mgedmin> you can either debug it and try to figure out why, or you can do a backup of your data, fresh install, and a restore of whatever files you want
[11:28] <mars> hai
[11:28] <Guest5> i think i will do the latter because i'm not very good with this
[11:28] <Guest5> thanks to all for helping me out
[11:33] <GuiToris> hello, is there an official openbox flavor of ubuntu?
[11:35] <vdthi> Hello, When I type ls -l the first line in the output is "total NUM", where NUM is a number. What does this mean??? It isn't the total number of files and directories in the working directory, I'm sure of that.
[11:37] <wyre> how is disabled root user in Ubuntu?
[11:47] <sixwheeledbeast> vdthi: total blocks
[11:48] <vdthi> sixwheeledbeast: what are Blocks?
[11:49] <kc2bez> GuiToris: No. Lubuntu uses Openbox but the Openbox session itself is unconfigured.
[11:51] <mgedmin> vdthi: 1 block = 1 kilobyte, for silly reasons
[11:52] <mgedmin> (actually ext4 uses 4KB filesystem blocks these days, but ls reporting still assumes 1 block = 1 kilobyte)
[11:53] <mgedmin> wyre: the root user has a :!: in the password field in /etc/shadow, which means root logins are disabled
[11:54] <vdthi> mgedmin: thanks
[11:56] <ogra> wyre, the oassword gets locked by default
[11:56] <ogra> *password
[11:57] <ogra> wyre, seem "man passwd" and look for the -l option
[12:00] <GuiToris> kc2bez, thank you :)
[12:02] <GuiToris> well, it doesn't start well http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/19.10/release/lubuntu-19.10-desktop-amd64.iso The requested URL was not found on this server.
[12:02] <GuiToris> maybe, this was a sign
[12:03] <mgedmin> 19.10 is EOL
[12:03] <oerheks> ../19.10// is completely gone, why use such old version ? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/
[12:04] <sixwheeledbeast> vdthi: https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/coreutils.html#Block-size
[12:04] <GuiToris> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ this is what the page offered
[12:05] <GuiToris> Download Latest lubuntu Version 19.04
[12:05] <oerheks> what page?
[12:05] <GuiToris> https://lubuntu.net/
[12:06] <GuiToris> I scrolled down until Download lubuntu 64bit
[12:06] <oerheks> oh my, that page need some TLC
[12:06] <kc2bez> That isn't the official web page. Please use https://Lubuntu.me
[12:06] <oerheks> crawl through cdimage http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/
[12:06] <oerheks> 20.04 preferrably
[12:07] <GuiToris> oh, I didn't know that, thanks. This was the first hit and I just clicked on it
[12:08] <GuiToris> oh, I didn't know that, thanks. This was the first hit and I just clicked on it
[12:08] <GuiToris> ahh
[12:08] <kc2bez> The dot net page isn't run by the Lubuntu team.
[12:08] <GuiToris> I was about to say; lubuntu.me worked well, thanks again
[12:09] <GuiToris> the search engine lists .net earlier than .me
[12:12] <GuiToris> the team has to do something, I've tried ddg, startpage and google, and lubuntu.me always comes after lubuntu.net
[12:13] <GuiToris> if the link had worked, I wouldn't have recognized I installed an old version of lubuntu
[12:13] <ravage> I'm sure google is happy to accept money to correct that ranking
[12:15] <GuiToris> lubuntu.net should be convinced to step down, it's probably cheaper
[12:16] <ravage> There is not even a contact on that page
[12:18] <ravage> But I'm sure google will crawl the channel log and will improve the ranking even more after mentioning it a few times ;)
[12:18] <GuiToris> "lubuntu.net is maintained with ♡ by Free and Open Source contributors from Asia, Linux Fans and the lubuntu Meilix community. "
[12:18] <GuiToris> their ♡ didn't last long
[12:19] <GuiToris> ravage, https://lubuntu.net/contact/
[12:19] <ravage> Good luck then
[12:28] <vdthi> sixwheeledbeast: thanks
[12:34] <jgcodes2020> test
[12:35] <jgcodes2020> ok it works
[12:35] <jgcodes2020> hi
[12:35] <Chunkyz-RPi> !ot | jgcodes2020
[12:57] <Knoxwille> Hello ppl. I've updated my ubuntu desktop to Hirsute but my Atheros ar3011 bluetooth device doesn't work now. Tried modprobe ath9k and ath3k but not working. Any advice?
[12:58] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
[13:01] <maxFlexGuest> I am trying to run Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on a 2017 Apple MacBookPro14,2. However, I have no wireless support, and I am also unable to use the built-in keyboard and trackpad at times. I have tried running “Hirsute Hippo” to fix the issue, but the display was unavailable. Additionally, I have tried running “Bionic Beaver” to fix the issue,
[13:01] <maxFlexGuest> although the issue still persists (and is worse than “Focal Fossa” issues).
[13:15] <oerheks> maxFlexGuest, ,  find a howto for macbook, like https://nixaid.com/linux-on-macbookpro/ or https://github.com/Dunedan/mbp-2016-linux and https://gist.github.com/roadrunner2/1289542a748d9a104e7baec6a92f9cd7
[13:15] <lotuspsychje> !mac
[13:20] <maxFlexGuest> Will the 15-inch mid-2017 MacBook Pro how-to apply to the 13-inch models from mid-2017?
[13:26] <maxFlexGuest> I do not know when the “NIXAID” instructions ask me to move to Ubuntu from the Mac. Where is the cutoff?
[13:27] <lotuspsychje> maxFlexGuest: what about pasting the apt errors you are getting after trying to install your broadcom driver, so volunteers can see whats happening
[13:41] <ravage> he asked that 2 times already and never provides any useful information
[13:48] <TheBigK> i installed the nvidia driver 460.80-0ubuntu0.21.04.2 recently and i believe steam broke because of it. anyone having that version and still steam working?
[13:48] <oerheks> TheBigK, you might want to share what videocard too
[13:48] <TheBigK> oerheks: 1070...
[13:49] <TheBigK> i believe its a library version that broke it... not directly the video card
[13:54] <ogra> TheBigK, you might be able to use the -server package of the driver ... see https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/nvidia-rtx-460-display-port-monitor-ubuntu-20-04/22624
[13:55] <TheBigK> ogra: uhhh... didnt find that.... thanks for referring to that
[13:56] <oerheks> nice find, ogra
[13:56] <ogra> (not sure if that helps for other cases than the described one, but surely worth a try)
[13:56] <TheBigK> i tried downgrading... but the installation failed...
[13:57] <TheBigK> lets see how im going about
[13:58] <lotuspsychje> TheBigK: ubuntu-drivers list, should give you your cards available drivers
[14:01] <TheBigK> theres a newer driver... didnt see that yet... i might try that one ....
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> and for the real gamers there's also the ubuntu graphics ppa latest drivers
[14:01] <lotuspsychje> !nvidia
[14:02] <oerheks> maybe secureboot is enabled? that could be the culprit too
[14:02] <TheBigK> "the real gamers"... usually i would only use the latest driver when i have a brand new card... which i dont... for obvious reasons ;D
[14:02] <TheBigK> oerheks: i doubt its related to that ... was working with secureboot before...
[14:03] <TheBigK> but im connected with displayport... so its a good chance that it might be it
[14:03] <TheBigK> i let u guys know when i tried
[14:41] <kieto> Hi! I'm having trouble accessing https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/, must be some trouble with DNS, I've tried setting DNS to 1.1.1.1 in the GUI network manager but no luck. What can I do?
[14:42] <tomreyn> kieto: is there an error message? which ubuntu version?
[14:43] <kieto> tomreyn: 20.04.02 LTS, the error says 'We can???t connect to the server at pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov.' in firefox
[14:45] <tomreyn> kieto: run this in a terminal, run     resolvctl query pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:45] <tomreyn> what's the output?
[14:46] <tomreyn> kieto: run this in a terminal, run     resolvectl query pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:46] <tomreyn> ^ had a typo there, sorry
[14:47] <tomreyn> it's resolvectl
[14:47] <kieto> tinloaf: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov: resolve call failed: Could not resolve 'pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov', server or network returned error SERVFAIL
[14:47] <kieto> ^tomreyn sorry
[14:48] <tomreyn> hmm this should actually have returned a url. but if this was the only output, that works, too
[14:49] <tomreyn> now this:   resolvectl status 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:50] <tomreyn> then this:   resolvectl flush-caches && resolvectl query pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[14:51] <kieto> tomreyn: I think I've found the root of the issue, 1 sec
[14:51] <tomreyn> using dns over https with a broken provider?
[14:54] <kieto> tomreyn: looks like it, I've changed it in the wireless settings to 1.1.1.1 and now it works :)
[14:55] <kieto> Which DNS are recommended?
[14:55] <Chunkyz-RPi> 8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4 - Google's.
[14:56] <tomreyn> your own, that of your trustable provider, or a trusted third party which provides it with little latency
[14:56] <Chunkyz-RPi> just don't use your ISP's dns.
[14:56] <tomreyn> a carte blanche for google dns certainly sounds wrong to me, too
[14:57] <kieto> I'll just leave it at 1.1.1.1, I don't like google :P
[14:58] <Chunkyz-RPi> 1.0.0.1, too.
[14:58] <tomreyn> on a side note: if you changed the dns serve rin wireless settings and that made it work in firefox then firefox wasn't configured to do dns over https.
[14:58] <Chunkyz-RPi> cloudfare goes down on a regular though, I have issues with them and discord because discord uses them. something to be aware of. :-)
[14:59] <src> kieto: google, cloudflare, and quad9 are good choices
[15:00] <src> kieto: all of them offer ipv4, ipv6, and DoT (or some form of encrypted access)
[15:00] <kieto> tomreyn: that might be my fault, I remember touching something like that :D
[15:01] <src> kieto: (I use quad9 myself, if you don't know them you might want to look them up)
[15:02] <tomreyn> kieto: it's not that you need to do DoH, it's just an option. you said you were using it (from what i understood) but then the fix was in the wireless sertings (where you can't configure DoH), so i just wantedto point out this can't have been related.
[15:02] <kieto> src: awesome nickname, btw :D thanks for the tips!
[15:12] <sixwheeledbeast> I use cisco/opendns
[15:19] <ambasta> bzr dh-make throws brz: ERROR: unknown command "dh-make", I have bzr-builddeb installed
[15:19] <ambasta> What am I doing incorrectly?
[15:20] <tomreyn> do you have dh-make installed, though?
[15:20] <tomreyn> or rather build-essential
[15:21] <ambasta> Yes and yes
[15:21] <tomreyn> dunno then
[15:22] <tomreyn> i guess it must be looking in the wrong location, or from inside a chroot where it's not available. i don't know how "bzr dh-make" works exactly.
[15:23] <ambasta> https://asciinema.org/a/GRsxrymKxMgdrz6oMekRQi2ez, for reference
[15:24] <ambasta> I am trying to follow documentation for packaging as specified here https://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/packaging-new-software.html
[15:24] <tomreyn> your typing skills are not good
[15:24] <ambasta> Yes :)
[15:25] <ambasta> Since the recording had a typo, brz: ERROR: unknown command "dh-make"
[15:25] <ioria> i thinks it's a brz bug
[15:25] <tomreyn> :)
[15:26] <ambasta> Well, that is what bzr dh-make throws (not sure why it emits brz instead of bzr)
[15:27] <ioria> https://bugs.launchpad.net/brz/+bug/1881287
[15:27] <ioria> ambasta, are you on focal 20.04 ?
[15:28] <ambasta> 21.04 hirsute
[15:28] <ioria> ah
[15:29] <tomreyn> i didn't even know there is also bzr
[15:29] <tomreyn> i mean brz
[15:30] <ambasta> I think this is more of a plugin loader issue, since dh-make should be provided by bzr-builddeb
[15:33] <polve> EriC^, kenyon: I have re-seated the nvme and now it is noticeably speedier, esp. after boot...
[15:34] <polve> I would not have thought that such a simple thing could make the difference
[15:38] <ioria> ambasta, do you have  brz-debian installed ?
[15:38] <ambasta> No, and I cannot find bzr-debian in repos
[15:38] <ioria> !info  brz-debian
[15:39] <ioria> ^
[15:39] <ambasta> ah, yes, I do
[15:39] <oerheks> enable universe?
[15:39] <ambasta> brz-debian/hirsute,hirsute,now 2.8.51 all [installed,automatic]
[15:39] <ambasta> Sorry, I saw b r and z and assumed brz, not bzr
[15:39] <ambasta> The other way around
[15:42] <Guest93> how to disable mouse from waking up the laptop?
[15:44] <tomreyn> Guest93: disconnect mouse, or dno't move it, or reduce sensitivity
[15:45] <oerheks> write a systemd unit for this https://mitjafelicijan.com/disable-mouse-wake-from-suspend-with-systemd-service.html
[15:46] <oerheks> basicly it is; sudo sh -c "echo 'disabled' > /sys/bus/usb/devices/2-1.1/power/wakeup".
[15:49] <jpmh> so, the next leg of my Pi Connection.   I have a PI connected to my Ubuntu laptop via a usb cable.  All works well and I can communicate, make ssh connections, etc.  The problem I have is that each time I connect the PI the Ubuntu system aloocates it a different MAC address and so the network interface name enx.... is different.  I am assuming that it is Ubuntu that is doing this.  Am I right, and how do I stop it doing this
[15:51] <oerheks> i wonder why that rasp pi would change mac, ubuntu does nto do this by default
[15:53] <jpmh> oerheks: well, is it the PI?  Surely since there really is no MAC address UBUNTU is generating one, no?
[15:54] <jpmh> oerheks: when I do an ip a, sure enough Ubuntu shows me the NEW mac address.  Surely this is the MAC address on the local machine and is somehow being randomized, no?
[15:55] <tomreyn> there's an option in network manager to have a randomized mac address
[15:55] <tomreyn> it's non-default, though
[15:56] <waveform> I would assume that's ubuntu (or more precisely network-manager) generating a MAC address for the virtual ethernet adapter on the USB port
[15:56] <tomreyn> actually it's for a fixed, fake, address, the setting is called  "cloned address"
[15:57] <tomreyn> why is it virtual?
[15:58] <tomreyn> is this a usb to ethernet dongle?
[15:58] <jpmh> waveform: and tomreyn so, what do I do to configure network manager not to do this?
[15:58] <jpmh> tomreyn: and what is your question on "why is it virtual"?
[15:58] <waveform> tomreyn, no I think this is straight usb otg port on the pi, to usb port on the ubuntu machine
[15:59] <waveform> (jpmh please correct if my assumption above is wrong :)
[15:59] <tomreyn> oh otg
[15:59] <jpmh> waveform: Correct - gadget mode
[15:59] <waveform> hence why it's a virtual ethernet port, and why the MAC is always changing because it's being unloaded then re-created each time
[16:00] <tomreyn> i lack experience with this setup. maybe it does indeed generate a random mac address there.
[16:00] <EriC^> polve: great, good to hear
[16:01] <waveform> how to work around that though -- I'm afraid I've no idea (I have a sneaking suspicion it might have to do with configuring the network stack to have such an interface permanently but beyond that I don't know any specifics)
[16:02] <tomreyn> jpmh: maybe you could still have a fixed device path by specifiying the usb port it will connect through. but i don't have any way to test this here.
[16:04] <jpmh> waveform: TY so much - at least you have confirmed that I am understanding it right
[16:05] <jpmh> tomreyn: TY for your help too
[16:06] <jpmh> it is not a disaster but a pain.  When I am at a client and want to ssh into one of their PIs I need to physically conect, see what the device name is and then have DHCP connnect to that and then I can connect.  I do have a script that automates it, so it is not awful, but sure is kludgey
[16:07] <jpmh> it is incredibly usefl to be able to connect to the headless PIs so easily in the rare cases that we need to.  Generally we connect to them over the net, but if for some reason that fails
[16:07] <TheBigK> the nvidia-driver update to 465 didnt help
[16:09] <jpmh> OK guys, we think that it is network-manager, but, when I do systemctl|grep network, I see no such service
[16:09] <jpmh> what am I missing here?
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> TheBigK: share your dmesg with us plz?
[16:10] <tomreyn> jpmh: an upper case N
[16:11] <TheBigK> oh wait thers something wrong with the driver
[16:11] <TheBigK> brbr
[16:11] <tomreyn> jpmh: systemctl|grep Network
[16:13] <jpmh> tomreyn: I did that and actually my first was really systemctl |grep -i network
[16:13] <jpmh> tomreyn: there are a BUNCH of services though
[16:14] <TheBigK> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yWd9mpFzQT/
[16:14] <TheBigK> but what i heared its related to new nvidia driver
[16:15] <tomreyn> jpmh: maybe it's in    ls /sys/devices/virtual/net/
[16:17] <jpmh> only thing there is lo - tomreyn
[16:17] <TheBigK> thats the output when i start steam: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Hd4gxz3kxF/
[16:17] <lotuspsychje> TheBigK: i would go for what oerheks suggested, trying secureboot off
[16:17] <TheBigK> i doubt its secureboot related. why would it be
[16:17] <TheBigK> nvidia driver works... X11 is started
[16:18] <jpmh> tomreyn: the output from the grep is at: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gtNDxRsmmH/
[16:18] <TheBigK> but sure... why not... its easy to turn off... one sec
[16:20] <tomreyn> jpmh: there's NetworkManager there. i'm not sure what your goal is there right now.
[16:20] <tomreyn> jpmh: if you're looking for the usb port it's connected to, try    grep '' /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/product
[16:21] <jpmh> tomreyn: my goal is to TRY and makemy Ubuntu laptop always generate the same pseudo MAC address when I plug in a PI on a serialport
[16:21] <TheBigK> mokutils says secureboot disabled... still nothing changed
[16:21] <TheBigK> would have been very suprised if that would work
[16:22] <tomreyn> jpmh: i see. i don't know how to do so, sorry. good luck.
[16:22] <lotuspsychje> TheBigK: what about this, worth a try? https://www.gitmemory.com/issue/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/7488/731883092
[16:22] <jpmh> tomreyn: YES - I do see it allocates  a sys/class/net, a sys/devices and /tun/NetworkManager - the problem is that they are all for that NEW randomy allocated address
[16:23] <jpmh> tomreyn: messages crossed - thanks for trying anyway
[16:24] <dob1> why a snap application cannot enter a directory mounted via autofs ?  it gives me permission problem with all snap applications while I have no problem to access that dir with my user via terminal/other applications
[16:24] <tomreyn> jpmh: this looks like it could work: https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/103750/how-can-i-make-a-pi-zero-appear-as-the-same-rndis-ethernet-gadget-device-to-the
[16:34] <bittin> good evening
[16:43] <jpmh> tomreyn: I was away for a moment and did not see your post - reading it now - no idea why I did not find that article
[17:02] <masber> hi
[17:02] <masber> i have ububntu 20.04
[17:02] <masber> and would like to upgrade
[17:02] <bittin> sudo update-manager
[17:02] <masber> I change the update settings to notify me on any new update
[17:02] <masber> and update sw does advice me that there is a new version
[17:03] <masber> however when I click on update nothing happens
[17:03] <masber> the window just close
[17:03] <masber> and nothing goes on
[17:04] <tomreyn> masber: run this on a terminal:  sudo apt update && apt policy && sudo apt full-upgrade -V
[17:04] <tomreyn> and post the full output to https://paste.ubuntu.com
[17:05] <masber> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6wQqhGfNmn/
[17:07] <masber> tomreyn ^^^
[17:10] <tomreyn> masber: release upgrades assume that you don't have third party software installed, only ubuntu repositories in use, or none that could result in changes to how dependencies are resolved
[17:13] <tomreyn> so you could uninstall any that ay provide conflicting packages / package versions (i.e. any third party repositories providing packages named like anything that's also in official ubuntu)
[17:13] <tomreyn> and, only then, identify remaining foreign packages using, e.g.
[17:13] <tomreyn> apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$' | nc termbin.com 9999
[17:15] <masber> ok, I am asuming the problem is virtualbox
[17:15] <masber> so if I remove its repo and uninstall the app, then I should be able to upgrade?
[17:20] <tomreyn> masber: i can't answer this, because i could not possibly know whether any of the other repositorieus you have there provide packages with dependency clashes. you can run the upgrade tool from a terminal as well, this may provide a better hint on what the problem was initially: sudo do-release-upgrade
[17:23] <sigv> If I want to roll out nftables on a Focal (20.04) system, it feels like it would make sense to uninstall iptables after having installed nftables. (Instead of setting up a default ACCEPT policy on iptables.) Is my belief correct? Anything worth knowing about the switch process itself?
[17:32] <jpmh> tomreyn: have tested the ideas on the web page you sent me - they work PERFECTLY.  Thank you SO MUCH.  Really appreciated
[17:34] <jpmh> tomreyn: it has the furster advantage that dhcp always gives me the same ip address too
[17:38] <tomreyn> jpmh: nice, glad this worked out.
[17:39] <jpmh> so simple, once you know what to do
[18:34] <chealer> Greetings. I'm managing several Ubuntu 18.04  and 20.04 servers. None of these servers keeps downloaded .deb packages (in /var/cache/apt/archives/) as I would expect, even for 1 minute. It's not that something deletes them frequently, they're deleted during the execution of the APT command which creates them.
[18:35] <chealer> I used to master APT but I don't know Ubuntu. I don't see anything in the APT configuration which would explain that. Does Ubuntu have a special behavior with regard to /var/cache/apt/archives/?
[18:41] <tomreyn> chealer: i think apt-get autoclean runs automatically as an apt hook after updates are installed
[18:43] <chealer> thanks tomreyn but surely autoclean alone wouldn't explain archives/ getting empty of any .deb, right?
[18:44] <tomreyn> not fully, no
[18:46] <ravage> If you use apt instead of apt-get, the default is not to store debs anywhere if the apt install is successful.
[18:46] <tomreyn> chealer: i've got a 18.04 desktop here with unattended-upgrades configured, but AutoCleanInterval is set to 0, so it doesn't happen. i only have very few packages in /var/cache/apt/archives/ - from the latest upgrade
[18:46] <chealer> It's really empty (it has only lock and partial/).
[18:46] <ravage> if you want to change that: echo 'Binary::apt::APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages "true";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01keep-debs
[18:46] <chealer> ravage: oooooh
[18:47] <tomreyn> ravage: are those defaults for apt-get and apt documented anywhere that you know, other than "in code"?
[18:48] <tomreyn> IMO those two could benefit from a lot better documentation
[18:48] <ravage> tomreyn: /usr/share/doc/apt/NEWS.Debian.gz
[18:48] <ravage> search for " Automatic removal of debs after install "
[18:49] <tomreyn> :) changelog "documentation"
[18:49] <tomreyn> thanks
[18:49] <ravage> it is from 2016. so really a default for a long time
[18:51] <chealer> indeed tomreyn
[18:52] <chealer> Thank you very much ravage, I would never have guessed that.
[18:54] <ravage> no problem. drop Julian a tweet if you want to discuss his change from 2016 :D https://twitter.com/JulianKlode
[19:13] <src> $ sudo ln -s ~/bin/program /usr/bin/
[19:13] <src> $ program
[19:13] <src> Command 'program' not found
[19:13] <src> I'm unsure why
[19:16] <oerheks> maybe you need to use the full path, echo "$PATH" # will show what is valid now.
[19:16] <geirha> doesn't look like an error message from bash, which shell are you using?
[19:20] <src> geirha: it's bash, it just looks weird because it's the "command 'x' not found but can be installed with" prompt
[19:20] <src> oerheks: $echo PATH
[19:20] <src> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin:/snap/bin
[19:20] <geirha> aha. What does ''type -a program'' output?
[19:21] <src> not found
[19:22] <geirha> but   ls -l ~/bin/program /usr/bin/program    shows that there's at least a file there, and the file has the x permission bits set?
[19:22] <src> it's weird censoring the program name, not sure what I was thinking, sorry about that
[19:22] <src> ll | grep dlv
[19:22] <src> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root      11 Jun 10 21:06 dlv -> /go/bin/dlv
[19:22] <src> (that's being in /usr/bin/)
[19:23] <geirha> and does the destination file exist? ll /go/bin/dlv
[19:23] <src> I'm such an idiot
[19:24] <src> it should be ~/go/bin/dlv
[19:25] <src> geirha: thanks, I'm an idiot
[19:26] <geirha> mystery solved :)
[19:27] <src> sorry about that
[20:03] <NeilRG> hello, I'm having trouble installing CUDA
[20:03] <NeilRG> It says: Existing package manager installation of the driver found. It is strongly    │
[20:03] <NeilRG> │ recommended that you remove this before continuing.
[20:03] <NeilRG> but I don't see it in dpkg
[20:03] <NeilRG> so I don't understand how it's found an "existing package manager installation"
[20:14] <NeilRG> should i replace the core18 snap with core20?
[20:20] <sarnold> NeilRG: if you're just installing snaps, I think they all do the right thing on their own
[20:20] <NeilRG> okay thanks
[20:20] <sarnold> NeilRG: if you're building snaps, it might make sense to switch, but I don't know the full ramifications
[20:40] <DrMax> tomreyn : thanks for yesterday's tip. Kernel updated like a charm
[20:44] <Linkandzelda> how, how do I stop the long wait for "Wait for network" on every boot?
[20:45] <Gorian> probably need to disable or reprioritize the PXE boot option in your BIOS
[20:46] <kyentei> Linkandzelda: https://askubuntu.com/questions/972215/a-start-job-is-running-for-wait-for-network-to-be-configured-ubuntu-server-17-1
[20:51] <Linkandzelda> kyentei: perfect, thanks. seems my 2nd nic wasnt configured so i guess DHCP was trying to look for it even though it was unplugged
[20:52] <Thete> Anyone know how to install the non-snap version of chromium-browser in ubuntu?
[20:53] <Chunkyz-RPi> Thete: you can't.
[20:53] <Chunkyz-RPi> Thete: use this to start chromium, it loads faster. /snap/chromium/current/usr/lib/chromium-browser/chrome $*
[20:54] <Thete> I need access to functionality that I can't get in the snap package, I'll just pull it from debian's repo, thanks
[20:54] <Chunkyz-RPi> :-)
[21:41] <IntelCore> hi : found server
[21:42] <IntelCore> yea..
[21:47] <Gorian> IntelCore core what?
[21:49] <IntelCore> I'm glad I found
[21:49] <Gorian> no, I was was asking what Core you are
[21:49] <Gorian> i7? i9? Duo?
[21:49] <IntelCore> but I'm having issue w/ window install
[21:49] <IntelCore> i5-5200U
[21:50] <Gorian> also, if you are IntelCore, are you intel inside? and what does that mean if I'm inside Intel? hmmmm
[21:50] <IntelCore> no. I'm human gooshy inside.
[21:51] <IntelCore> Do you know bashing Ohm?
[21:51] <Gorian> bashing who?
[21:52] <IntelCore> he send out ubuntu letter e-mails
[21:53] <IntelCore> was on freenode
[21:54] <IntelCore> EriC^ knows my 'puter
[21:54] <IntelCore> will grub fix the boot?
[22:01] <chilversc> when running ssh-keyscan, how do I disable -H? Even without -H its showing the results hashed
[22:03] <IntelCore> need grub to find D;\  and boot it.
[22:06] <chilversc> ah nevermind, it is showing the correct output, it was just being awkward to read
[23:23] <samian> hello
[23:24] <samian> Anyone know of a way to easily move the mouse array to any of the 4 corners of a window for fast resizing?
[23:24] <samian> on big screens it sucks up time moving the array to corners and getting it juuuuust on the corner to resize the window
[23:25]  * samian is going to cross post this question in #linux
[23:25] <sarnold> samian: some window managers let you do something like alt+shift+drag to resize windows
[23:25] <oerheks> Press Alt + F7 to move a window or Alt + F8 to resize.
[23:25] <samian> alt + f8 is just vertical resize?
[23:25] <samian> what about horizontal?
[23:25] <sarnold> samian: try alt+shift+drag, alt+ctrl+drag, windows+shift+drag, windows+ctrl+drag, etx
[23:26] <oerheks> depends where your mouse is hanging, i guess
[23:27] <samian> ahh it does both vertical and horizontal. It was just that my hexchat window was on the minimum width so it appeared as if the width wasn't doing anything
[23:27] <samian> eh no, it actually depends on which corner the mouse is closest to
[23:27] <samian> sarnold, atl+shift+drag isn't doing anything for me
[23:27] <sarnold> :(
[23:28] <samian> hexchat is annoying. It cuts off the bottom pixels of each line. Let me show you
[23:29] <samian> https://imgur.com/a/8wufJG2
[23:30] <samian> see the bottom of the g gets cut off
[23:30] <samian> I can't see __
[23:31] <samian> sarnold,  ahh you meant  alt+shift+drag on the title bar!
[23:31] <MrSteve> mine have - put the mouse on the edge of the winder.. it give a pointer, and you drag to size
[23:32] <sarnold> samian: heh, well,that's the thing, different window managers do different things; it's been years since I've used one with 'easily' resizable windows, but there was almost always a way to hold down keys to let you resize a window with a drag .. and it just starts resizing whatever is the nearest corner
[23:32] <samian> MrSteve,  on large monitors with 4k res, it's a pain to get the mouse array right on the corner
[23:32] <MrSteve> i use the gnome.
[23:33] <MrSteve> although the mozilla browser wont let me resize
[23:34] <MrSteve> yea FF won't resize that way
[23:36] <sarnold> I thought I saw a bug report about those underscores dissapearing, but firefox isn't being helpful, and I'm mostly finding things about VS Code or changes from 2011...
[23:38] <samian> alt+f key sucks because I can't do it with one hand!! argh
[23:39] <MrSteve> grins.. oerheks
[23:39] <wez> samian: ? There's two alts on the keyboard
[23:39] <samian> waz you are a genius!
[23:39] <wez> If not then you need a better keyboard :P
[23:39] <sarnold> on some keyboards; others have an alt and an altgr
[23:39] <samian> wtf how did I not see that
[23:40] <samian> I'm so used to using alt and crtl on the bottom left corner
[23:55] <thyriaen__> so i have several xmodmap stuff in my ~/.Xmodmap file - when i run xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap everything is setup nicely - when i check /etc/gdm/Xsession it says usermodmap="$HOME/.Xmodmap" but it will not load on gnome startup - i even tried putting modmap ~/.Xmodmap into ~/.Xsession - still nothing
[23:59] <sarnold> thyriaen__: my xsession file is ~/.xsession, but I'm using i3wm and xdm; I'm not sure if those have any influence or not on which file is executed