[00:01] <OvenWerks> no worries, Eickmeyer I am thinking ahead to see if there is a way for laptop users to get around bad usb implementation
[00:01] <Eickmeyer> It's tough. Of course, my hardware is optimized for Linux from the get-go, so there's that.
[00:02] <OvenWerks> I have been told using a USB3 hub does not help
[00:02] <OvenWerks> but your's is 3.1
[00:02] <Eickmeyer> 3.0? Not necessarily. 3.1? As long the system supports 3.1, you're good.
[00:30] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: as the newerest motherboards seem to have the most trouble, 3.1 hubs may be the way forward
[00:33] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I can't spend time at it.... but I was not able to get jack-pw working. jackdbus says it is running but does not show up in Carla :P
[00:33] <OvenWerks> maybe tomorrow
[00:34] <OvenWerks> pulse style profiles are bad too. my delta66 shows up as 7.1 plus a digital stereo pair in the pulse profile... but I can't enable that.
[00:35] <OvenWerks> ice1712 device should be able to show up as straight 10/12 i/o at least in the jack graph
[00:49] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: *sigh*
[14:09] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: (when you are around) I am on 2104 right now playing with PW... pavucontrol should just control PW if things are working correctly. pactl info should show the PW replacement: Server Name: PulseAudio (on PipeWire 0.3.16) but shows: Server Name: pulseaudio :P
[14:10] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I think also, I may need to start with a non-studio version
[14:14] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: I don't know if you have been watching #ardour at all (re: reaper vs ardour latency) but it apears our setting should include a udev rule that gives access to /dev/cpu_dma_latency
[14:16] <OvenWerks> it may be worthwhile looking at: realtime-privileges package on Arch/Manjaro
[14:18] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: oops rabbit trail... question: should I be experiemnting with a 21.10 partition for PW? It seems I need to start with a non-studio iso anyway.
[14:58] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: studio-controls does some pulse things that are not apropriate with PW. But I do need to get pulse to not run and PW to do that job before I can do anything else. It appears that pavucontrol, when it connects to PW instead of pulse can turn the jack bridge on and off.
[14:59] <OvenWerks> I am hoping it offers better profiles (or more at least) for the audio devices.
[15:44] <OvenWerks> Anyway. time to go back to LTS so I can do more work
[17:22] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: that all sounds like a great plan. I do all my dev work in the latest dev version for that very reason: because that's what we're building toward and backporting isn't that hard.
[17:50] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer: ok, so I will install kubuntu 21.10 for pw playing around. It seems like running jack along side will work best for us, because jack allows restarts for setting latency etc. Pw defaults to minimum 256 for latency... the lowest all USB and alsa-fw will run repliably at.
[17:51]  * OvenWerks can't spell today (or maybe type)
[17:52] <OvenWerks> But for some uses, 64 is close to max.
[17:53] <OvenWerks> anyway, I need to finish off convert so I can tag again
[18:43] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Ok, thanks! Sorry, I was out running a couple of errands.
[19:21] <Eickmeyer> OvenWerks: Conversion went successfully, using 2.1.64 right now, no issues.
[20:19] <RikMills> new plasma is incoming. I am not sure how long it will take to fully get through
[20:33] <Eickmeyer> RikMills: Good to know. I still have yet to get a machine on Impish. Might mess with that tonight.