 @kc2bez @wxl23 @N0um3n0 apparently there is an issue with svg icons, that might be the problem https://www.gitmemory.com/issue/lxqt/libqtxdg/246/802661171
 https://forum.manjaro.org/t/just-did-update-no-icons/58919/15
 Not sure if it can break but you can make a "Breaks" on libqt-xdg or w/e it is and point at kiconthemes - that would forbid kiconthemes from working.
 The problem is that might break other things
 this is the package in ubuntu :
 libkf5iconthemes5/hirsute,now 5.80.0-0ubuntu1 amd64 [instalado, automático]
 Ubuntu or Lubuntu? (re @HMollerCl: this is the package in ubuntu :
 libkf5iconthemes5/hirsute,now 5.80.0-0ubuntu1 amd64 [instalado, automático])
 important distinction
 *does a thing and does something probably dangerous in a VM*
 actually kubuntu
 but should be lubuntu also
 well what i'm going to do is
 booting vm
[00:54] <kc2bez> @teward001 when aren't you dangerous? *shot*
 install 21.10.  run a check to see if both are installed
 and see what happens when I remove libkf5iconthemes5
 Valid point. (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kc2bez> @teward001 when aren't you dangerous? *shot*)
 but not relevant here.  :P
 *salts kc2bez*
[00:55] <kc2bez> XD
 yay for 22MBps download speeds xD
 well I found *a* bug
 the "Restart now" button at the end of the installer doesn't actually call a fully functioning shutdown call
 different bug but
[01:19] <kc2bez> Um, what does it do?
 goes to the spinning Ubuntu logo
 Lubuntu logo*
 then just sits
 'cause of that hang i had to manually halt the box at the VM level, did a reinstall just to make sure it was just the installer and if i don't chose "restart now" and then call the typical sudo shutdown -h now it halts proper
[01:21] <kc2bez> hmm, it is supoosed to do this https://phab.lubuntu.me/source/calamares-settings-ubuntu/browse/ubuntu%252Fhirsute/lubuntu/modules/finished.conf$3
[01:22]  * kc2bez wonders if your VM was trying to unmount something?
[01:23] <kc2bez> or some sort of network hang
 yeah, so, going back to @HMollerCl's notes, we can't Breaks libkf5iconthemes5 because it yanks stuff that is important.
 possibly, but since i was in the live installer and it was an empty VM... :P (re @lubuntu_bot: (irc) <kc2bez> wonders if your VM was trying to unmount something?)
 so this isn't going to be an easy fix with SVG icons
[01:23] <kc2bez> It looks like a pile of things depend on that 
 y e p
 I'm trying to found which is the package in debian sid
 in debian sid it works ok
 dry-run output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/G57SPGNbCf/
 for which one (re @HMollerCl: I'm trying to found which is the package in debian sid)
 the xdg libs in Qt5 or the kiconthemes file
 for libkf5iconthemes5
 or kiconthemes (arch name)
 https://packages.debian.org/sid/libkf5iconthemes5 - source package named kiconthemes
 packages.debian.org for quick searching by the way ;)
 whatever the binary is in Ubuntu is likely to be the binary in Debain ;)
 that's why
 they use 5.78 and not 5.80
 maybe @RikMills knows about it...
 looks like it's syncing from Experimental
[01:28] <kc2bez> impish is 5.82
 5.82.0-1
 ... which is in Experimental
 https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/kiconthemes
 (somehow I seem to be more fluent at Debian package tracking... :P)
 yep autosyncing from Experimental
 well at least we apparently found the issue, don't know why it doesnt affect kde...
 Nope (re @HMollerCl: maybe @RikMills knows about it...)
 5.83 will be uploaded to ubuntu at the weekemd fyi
 to impish or hirsute? (re @RikMills: 5.83 will be uploaded to ubuntu at the weekemd fyi)
 @teward001 @kc2bez @N0um3n0 confirmed, removing libkf5icontheme5 fix the issue (but break a lot o other things).
 should I file a bug?
 If the issue is present in impish we should start there. (re @HMollerCl: should I file a bug?)
 as i said ;) (re @HMollerCl: @teward001 @kc2bez @N0um3n0 confirmed, removing libkf5icontheme5 fix the issue (but break a lot o other things).)
 every issue needs fixed in Impish first ;) (re @HMollerCl: to impish or hirsute?)
 just saying
 anyways, bed is calling.  </offline>
 /me to
 night
 cheers
 yay : https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/baa8a5a8/file_2717.jpg
 libkf5iconthemes5, version 5.82,  icons working perfectly in 21.10 (re @kc2bez: If the issue is present in impish we should start there.)
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/011826a3/animation_gif.mp4
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/011826a3/animation_gif.mp4
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/e72b09bb/animation_gif.mp4
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/adcfa07e/animation.gif
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/adcfa07e/animation.gif
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/5fecf819/animation_gif.mp4
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/5fecf819/animation_gif.mp4
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/bec98a1b/animation_gif.mp4
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/bec98a1b/animation_gif.mp4
 https://matterbridge.lubuntu.me/211c0a38/animation_gif.mp4
 @HMollerCl @kc2bez @aptghetto spam...
 wow, I guess that was a bunch of spam. Thanks @N0um3n0
 thanks @N0um3n0 !
 thanks for finding the bug (re @HMollerCl: thanks @N0um3n0 !)