[01:49] <bandit-led> could some one open a .epub in okular and check .xsesssion-errors for me? https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1342.epub  <<-- jane austen
[01:49] <bandit-led> okular libepub filling .xsession-errors with cruft .. example https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HbkrGRkFRR/  host info https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sYjNpM4hrC/  okular 20.12.3
[01:49] <bandit-led> opening the epub i linked adds 25k to my xession-errors
[01:50] <bandit-led> or use any epub you have on your computer or any one from project gutenburg
[01:58] <tomreyn> bandit-led: i'll try on a freshly installed Kubuntu 21.04 in a bit (just installing)
[02:07] <tomreyn> hmm this takrs a good while to install the minimal system
[02:07] <bandit-led> kk and your going above and beyoung
[02:07] <bandit-led> beyond i cant type
[02:12] <tomreyn> installation done, installing updates now.
[02:21] <tomreyn> another reboot
[02:27] <tomreyn> bandit-led: so i opened the file and nothing at all was added to (the existing and recently written to file) ~/.xsession-errors
[02:27] <bandit-led> figures :\
[02:28] <tomreyn> bandit-led: i opened it from a temrinal, though, and all the stuff you have in the log went there
[02:28] <bandit-led> could you try from terminal and see if it outputs to stdout?
[02:28] <bandit-led> kk tY!!
[02:28] <tomreyn> it's actually to stderr, not stdout
[02:28] <bandit-led> hmm this might be time to change epub from okular to atril or somthing else
[02:29] <bandit-led> tomreyn, ty i noob most things up
[02:29] <tomreyn> okay if i open the file from the fiile browser (dolphin) then indeed this stuff goes to xsession-errors
[02:30] <bandit-led> how did you open it the first time desktop?
[02:30] <tomreyn> okular is installed by default on kubuntu, this makes me think it is assumed to "work ok"
[02:30] <tomreyn> the first time i opened it from the temrinal
[02:30] <tomreyn> so konsole
[02:31] <bandit-led> so its a filemanager stderr issue?
[02:31] <bandit-led> just throwing things out, no clue what i am saying just bouncing ideas around
[02:31] <tomreyn> i think the problem is that okular or the libepub library it uses, defaults to outputting a lot of just informational  (II)  log level to stderr
[02:32] <bandit-led> ok but why would it log it from dolphin and not terminal
[02:32] <tomreyn> (which are then redirected to .xsession-errors if you don't run from a terminal)
[02:32] <bandit-led> somthing is redirecting the log output?
[02:33] <bandit-led> oops sorry,,, ok looks like a bug report or you think this is wanted behavior?
[02:33] <tomreyn> when you are working on a graphical desktop then there is no stderr, so what's written there is written to xsession-errors instead
[02:33] <tomreyn> that's how it's designed
[02:33] <tomreyn> so that's intentional
[02:34] <bandit-led> but the extra libepub info probably not intentional?
[02:34] <tomreyn> but writing so much to stderr about things that aren't actually describing an error situation but merely informational notes on what's being dsone, should not happen. that's a bad configuration of either ocular or the libepub library
[02:35] <tomreyn> i feel like i explained this twice now. ;)
[02:35] <bandit-led> ubuntu bugreport or upstream?
[02:35] <bandit-led> you have i am out of spoons so am not thinking properly
[02:35] <tomreyn> it's clearly a bug in kubuntu, but probably upstream, too
[02:36] <bandit-led> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoon_theory if you didnt get my refrence that is offtopic but just fyi if some one else says it
[02:36] <bandit-led> i will post upstream and work from there TY so much for your help
[02:37] <bandit-led> just some one saying oh i see what you mean helps
[02:37] <tomreyn> ubuntu has been using the same upstream libepub version for years now https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libepub0
[02:38] <tomreyn> libepub is part of ebook tools, which had its latest release in 2016 https://sourceforge.net/projects/ebook-tools/
[02:39] <tomreyn> actually 2012
[02:39] <bandit-led> i figure that somthing got turned on in testing and not turned off on install... not correct terms but the idea makes sense?
[02:39] <tomreyn> but bug reports dont seemto have been handled since 2016
[02:40] <tomreyn> https://sourceforge.net/p/ebook-tools/bugs/
[02:40] <bandit-led> logging=4 instead of logging =2 in the build options but i couldnt figure it out looking at the source
[02:41] <bandit-led> and no the logging # i used are not correct
[02:41] <tomreyn> somehting like this, yes. either the lib is built with too high a log level or okular fails to set it properly when using the lib. but more likely it's the lib's build process setting a bad default
[02:42] <tomreyn> i think your best option is to report this against debian, then against ubuntu as well, and link the ubuntu bog to debians
[02:42] <tomreyn> or just do ubuntu if you're not sure it also affects debian
[02:43] <bandit-led> kk
[02:44] <bandit-led> i am going to steal some of your reporting for the bug report if that ok wont use your name
[02:45] <tomreyn> sure
[02:54] <tomreyn> bandit-led: slightly related bug report https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359932 makes me think you should indeed be using calibre
[03:26] <tirth> my wifi on kubuntu doesn't have range as it does in windows. wifi: Ralink RT3290
[03:28] <tirth> this happens on windows also but quick restart of wifi drivers fixes it
[03:32] <bandit-led> tomreyn, TY again https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=438490 hope this looks ok
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