[05:57] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:56] <ducasse> good morning
[08:12] <Metamorphosis> So yeah, I found Brave to be very scammy and controversial. It is barely anything more than Chromium + an adblocker + Brave's crypto stuff on the top
[08:12] <Metamorphosis> I recommend users not to use it
[08:12] <Metamorphosis> With almost everything other than Firefox being based on Chromium these days, there are no shortages of Chrome clones to look for a safer one.
[08:14] <lotuspsychje> Metamorphosis: brave is not really officialy supported on apt, and they give a warning on the snap too
[08:15] <lotuspsychje> the pro side its that its bloody fast
[08:16] <Metamorphosis> I'm not sure if it is really faster than others.
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> it sure is
[08:16] <Metamorphosis> For example for me Falkon browser (which has not been updated in ages) is faster than anything else.
[08:16] <Metamorphosis> But it depends on what website I'm trying to open
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> the new FF has improved alot speedwise, but cant reach on braves speed yet
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> didnt test falkon myself, ill try that
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> hmm interesting Metamorphosis 
[08:18] <lotuspsychje> i like falkon
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> might be a chromium killer :p
[08:34] <tomreyn> Metamorphosis: in case you were looking for chromium builds, i.e. not chrome, distributed via apt: look for "ungoogled chromium"
[08:58] <Metamorphosis> tomreyn Thanks a lot for that
[08:59] <Metamorphosis> lotuspsychje If you are a Kubuntu/KDE user like me, Falkon is a must.
[08:59] <Metamorphosis> tomreyn it appears that it is not in official repos in Kubuntu 20.04
[09:27] <tomreyn> Metamorphosis: that's right, just like the others discussed here.
[09:27] <tomreyn> in ubuntu, chromium is now a snap
[09:32] <ogra> Metamorphosis, well, if you want a newer falkon there is https://snapcraft.io/falkon ... the candidate channel has a stable 3.1.0 and edge has daily builds it seems ...
[10:42] <TJ-> Can anyone think of a way to read *translated* USB keyboard input (not scan codes, the final "a-z" for stdin) whilst on a serial console? I've stumped myself but sure I did this years ago
[10:42] <TJ-> scenario is reading a yubikey (USB HID) into a process (cryptsetup) running on the serial console
[11:16] <Metamorphosis> tomreyn thanks a lot. I was never really a fan of Chrome/Chromium. I'd stick to my Firefox/ Falkon combo.
[11:16] <Metamorphosis> ogra thanks for that. I think I'd stay on 20.04 until 22.04 comes out. Hopefully it will bring the new Falkon
[11:17] <Metamorphosis> Been using Kubuntu since 2009, I have a preference to use LTS releases and upgrade every 2 years.
[11:22] <ogra> Metamorphosis, snaps are completely decoupled from the hosts release ... you can install that snap on anything after 14.04 
[11:22] <Metamorphosis> Yeah I am aware of that but my experience with snap was not very good tbh.
[11:23] <Metamorphosis> I live in a country where internet is extremely slow and very expensive (compared to average salary)
[11:23] <ogra> then snap should be your pick actually since it only does binary delta updates
[11:23] <Metamorphosis> And Snap wastes a huge chunk of bandwidth both with its ultra-large downloads and by updating things I don't really want to update.
[11:25] <ogra> if only 5byte changed between two versions, only these 5byte get downloaded
[11:26] <Metamorphosis> Well, my experience has been a lot more
[11:26] <ogra> depends what changed in thes packages you used indeed
[11:27] <ogra> but "physically" only changed data is downloaded ... 
[11:28] <ogra> (using xdelta3 by default if you want to research)