[00:21] <matari> Walex: hello sir! what you were saying about always using '--user' and always using 'python3.x': is there a resource/instructional you can point me too?
[00:24] <src> matari: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/42988977/what-is-the-purpose-of-pip-install-user
[00:25] <matari> src: muchisimas gracias!
[00:25] <bandit-led> okular libepub filling .xsession-errors with cruft .. example https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HbkrGRkFRR/  host info https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sYjNpM4hrC/  okular 20.12.3
[00:26] <src> matari: also see https://glasz.org/sheeplog/2017/02/pip-install-package-into-home-directory-always.html (two easy searches btw)
[00:27] <bandit-led> seems to only happen with epubs .... guess i will need to make a bug repoty :\
[00:28] <matari> src: awesome, thank you src! i'm pretty green with python and i was in the camp of just "venv everything" so as not to mess with the python that your OS uses
[00:33] <DavidPaiva[m]> hello!
[00:33] <coz_> hello DavidPaiva[m]
[00:34] <DavidPaiva[m]> I am having issues to install ubuntu studio 21.04 plasma  on acer nitro 5. I do the installation as the usual using live cd. But at the end of the installation i get this error: he command apt install -y -no-upgrade -o Acquire::gpgc::Options=..ignore-time-conflict shim signed failed while finishing in 300 seconds. There is any output
[00:37] <coz_> DavidPaiva[m], not familiar with the error, however did you check to be sure the live iso downloaded .. md5sum ?
[00:38] <sarnold> DavidPaiva[m]: is there anything on other virtual consoles?
[00:38] <sarnold> DavidPaiva[m]: does it prompt you to file a bug report or something similar?
[00:38] <coz_> good question
[00:39] <src> DavidPaiva[m]: this is the closest I found online https://sourceforge.net/p/ubuntudde/discussion/installation/thread/57eb805083/ they mention this solution working (turning off secure boot) https://sourceforge.net/p/ubuntudde/discussion/installation/thread/d4cdad35f5/ do you upgrade or fresh install? are you sure you have the _newest_ iso? download it new if not, there has been some efi secure boot issues
[00:39] <DavidPaiva[m]> how do I check it? I didn't check md5sum but I tried two different usb disks
[00:39] <src> with 21.04 specifically (not sure if related)
[00:40] <DavidPaiva[m]> Yeah, I am sure it's the newest. Secure boot is indeed on
[00:41] <sarnold> I've heard that some uefi things don't let you install new boot things, some "antivirus" setting in bios or perhaps locked ot the OS they shipped for licensing reasons etc, but I don't think anyone's ever reported back "I changed <this> and now it worked" ..
[00:42] <src> sarnold: wasn't the whole upgrade debacle around 21.04 related to shim and secure boot?
[00:42] <DavidPaiva[m]> this notebook was with a bios password
[00:43] <sarnold> src: yeah, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim/+bug/1928434 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim/+bug/1925010 come to mind
[00:44] <sarnold> nothing says these are apple-specific issues but I was guessing acer probably wasn't going to hit either of these
[00:44] <src> DavidPaiva[m]: is turning off secure boot an option for now? at least (if it then does work) you have one more critical data point about the issue
[00:44] <src> even if it is not a long term option for you (don't know, I personally don't care about secure boot)
[00:46] <src> DavidPaiva[m]: another thing to consider might be using the 21.04 image for installation, not sure if there is some sort of meta package to install the studio distro spin packages at once etc?
[00:46] <src> (21.04 stock ubuntu image I mean)
[00:49] <src> DavidPaiva[m]: I'm on 21.04 (stock ubuntu) and did a quick search https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/d2Q5MSkdm6/ so that might be an option (if that installs for you)
[00:56] <coz_> DavidPaiva[m], I believe all of the suggestions are solid, from mdsum, disable secure boot, to stock ubuntu and upgrade to studio if possible. I would be interested in knowing if any of these solved the issue.
[00:56] <DavidPaiva[m]> disabled secure bot
[00:57] <coz_> excellent
[01:01] <DavidPaiva[m]> new issue:
[01:01] <DavidPaiva[m]> Command "apt-get-purge -q -y remove ive-* calamares-settings-ubuntustudio calamares hunspell-en-us zram-config cifs-utils' returned non-zero exit status 100
[01:02] <sarnold> any other output?
[01:05] <DavidPaiva[m]> yes, just one sec
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[01:15] <sarnold> well that's strange.. (a) I wonder why it's trying to remove packages at all (b) especially packages that apparently aren't even installed
[01:15] <sarnold> it's probably worth reporting that bug to the ubuntu-studio folks
[01:15] <coz_> DavidPaiva[m], do you have alink to the iso you downloaded?
[01:16] <Eickmeyer> sarnold: It *should* remove calamares, that's the installer.
[01:16] <DavidPaiva[m]> I downloaded direct from ubuntu-studio site
[01:16] <coz_> ok
[01:16] <DavidPaiva[m]> I will try to download LTS
[01:16] <sarnold> Eickmeyer: that part kinda makes sense, but zram-config? cifs-utils?
[01:17] <Eickmeyer> sarnold: No idea why, it shouldn't. That's beyond the purview of Calamares. Also, we don't seed those.
[01:17] <DavidPaiva[m]> not perfect... But can be a temporary solution and it's not hard to upgrade from one to other
[01:17] <Eickmeyer> sarnold: Also, the shim issue is 100% not just an Apple issue, it's been noticed in other machines as well.
[01:30] <bandit-led> could some one open a .epub in okular and check .xsesssion-errors for me? https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1342.epub  <<-- jane austen
[01:33] <tomreyn> bandit-led: why?
[01:33] <bandit-led> okular libepub filling .xsession-errors with cruft .. example https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/HbkrGRkFRR/  host info https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/sYjNpM4hrC/  okular 20.12.3
[01:33] <bandit-led> opening the epub i linked adds 25k to my xession-errors
[01:34] <tomreyn> hmm maybe you need to find a way to reduce libepub's logging level
[01:34] <tomreyn> had you raised the previously?
[01:34] <bandit-led> yes i do that would be awesome
[01:35] <bandit-led> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=390284 bug report similar from 2018
[01:36] <bandit-led> I asked about it this afternoon and tried to add the information that you mentioned
[01:38] <sarnold> bandit-led: you might be able to change the .desktop file for okular to use > /dev/null 2>/dev/null -- I think that might work. if that just breaks it all, then it should be possible to write a script to do something similar
[01:38] <bandit-led> sarnold, will go look ty!
[01:39] <bandit-led> i looked but couldnt figure it out
[01:39] <bandit-led> brb
[01:39] <tomreyn> bandit-led: i mistyped, meant to ask: had you raised the libepub log level previously?
[01:40] <bandit-led> tomreyn, I hope not but no idea how or where to do that
[01:41] <bandit-led> cant find any information ....
[01:41] <tomreyn> ok. does it happen with every epub file or just this one?
[01:42] <bandit-led> every single one you open
[01:42] <bandit-led> i take it that its not doing this on any one elses computer?
[01:43] <tomreyn> i tried to  identify other reports but other than the one you linked, which *may* be related, couldn't fine others, yet
[01:44] <bandit-led> yes but could some one just open an epub and see if it causes errors?
[01:44] <bandit-led> or possible open okular and then open an epub
[01:44] <bandit-led> i mean open terminal okular file open .epub
[01:45] <bandit-led> i linked a jane austen epub but i would think any projectgunteburg epub would works
[01:45] <tomreyn> i don't have kde around here, it'd mean a lot of downloads
[01:46] <bandit-led> yes i figured that would be issue as well
[01:46] <bandit-led> its all good and ty for looking
[01:46] <tomreyn> had you asked in #kubuntu ?
[01:46] <bandit-led> no buts that a really good idea
[01:47] <bandit-led> i tried freenode kde-deval okular and here
[01:47] <bandit-led> i go try kubuntu
[01:47] <bandit-led> will stay here and tell you if we figure anything out
[01:47] <thyriaen> how can i have my system always launch certain applications in predefined work spaces ?
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[01:51] <DavidPaiva[m]> "hunspell-en-us" made me think about language issues in the installation
[01:51] <sarnold> DavidPaiva[m]: weird :) that definitely deserves a bug report :)
[01:51] <DavidPaiva[m]> how should I do this? Never did one?
[01:51] <DavidPaiva[m]> But I will be really glad to help somehow
[01:52] <sarnold> I'm not too sure, really; 'ubuntu-bug calamares' may do the job
[01:53] <thyriaen> my xmodmap settings get reverted back periodically and it is driving me insane, any way to fix it ?
[01:53] <DavidPaiva[m]> <sarnold "I'm not too sure, really; 'ubunt"> but where i post this bug report?
[01:55] <guiverc> `ubuntu-bug calamares` will gather up details from your system & file it from your box... it'll ask you to signin to launchpad (where bugs are filed) ; if details aren't perfect it's not an issue; you'll be asked for more if required (bug triagers will help re-direct as necessary).   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[01:55] <bandit-led> not sure thyriaen I had issue where my media-keys would reset and I needed to kill it
[01:56] <bandit-led> whats exactly is it doing and os de etc?
[01:56] <thyriaen> ubuntu, gnome3
[01:56] <bandit-led> how do you fix it when it happens?
[01:56] <guiverc> DavidPaiva[m], ^  (my last comment)
[01:57] <thyriaen> on startup i load my xmodmap file and after some time it just reverts the changed i havae made in them
[01:57] <thyriaen> i reapply my xmodmap to fix it
[01:57] <bandit-led> laptop going to sleep or hibernating?
[01:58] <sarnold> thyriaen: the usual mistake is people put their xmodmap command in ~/.bashrc or something similar rather than ~/.xsession or their desktop environment's autostart
[01:58] <thyriaen> nope, it just occurs randomly while it is running
[01:58] <thyriaen> sarnold, i have put it in a *.desktop file and then into autostart
[01:58] <sarnold> thyriaen: dang. I would have expected that to work well :(
[01:59] <thyriaen> sarnold, it does work well
[01:59] <thyriaen> it loads it successfully, however it reverts the changes after some time
[01:59] <sarnold> thyriaen: you could try running execsnoop-bpfcc to try to spot xmodmap being executed, but that 'just' runs some API calls that do the actualk work, other tools could make those same API calls..
[02:00] <sarnold> thyriaen: actually finding out how to trace those actual api calls is quite a bit more work than just suggesting this, though :) heh
[02:00] <bandit-led> i think you need to call that from xll or from your login manager
[02:00] <bandit-led> what is your display manager.
[02:01] <thyriaen> uhm, the default one - i think gdm3 ?
[02:01] <bandit-led> yes sorry i am slow tonight
[02:01] <sarnold> just so long as the desktop shell's autostart routines only run it when launching, that should work fine
[02:03] <bandit-led> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=873656
[02:05] <bandit-led> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1243642
[02:06] <Samian> hello
[02:06] <bandit-led> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1243642/comments/6  has a fix for the xmodmap that reloads it
[02:07] <bandit-led> thyriaen, If you force the load of the .Xmodmap by adding the command 'xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap' in the Startup Applications, all is reverted if you suspend/resume or if you change the user and get back etc. from comment #6 has a script no clue how it works
[02:09] <bandit-led> whats proper way to set myself afk? just /nick bandit-led-away?
[02:09] <sarnold> just /away <something>
[02:10] <bandit-led> ok ty i dont irc much anymore
[02:10] <sarnold> welcome back :)
[02:10] <bandit-led> ty hope i dont get kicked this time being back :)
[02:11] <thyriaen> bandit-led, but i did not suspend or resume or change the use
[02:13] <bandit-led> yes but from those bug reports it looks like it happens any way
[02:14] <bandit-led> also from reading other sites it appears that if you hotplug the device it doesnt work so if your using wireless and or bt it might happen with those as well
[02:14] <sarnold> nine year old bug reports may not be the most relevant thing, either
[02:15] <sarnold> oh bt / wireless is pretty plausible, if the keyboard evaporates entirely every now and then..
[02:15] <thyriaen> i dont you wireless or bt anything
[02:15] <thyriaen> it just cripples you to death into uncertainty
[02:15] <sarnold> right? :)
[02:16] <thyriaen> WLAN is currrently just some technology being testing in its alpha stage
[02:19] <bandit-led> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=721873 sorry i meant to point out when I posted the above linked reports this is set to wontfix cantfix
[02:21] <bandit-led> reasons like this is why i switched from gnome
[02:22] <bandit-led> thyriaen, another option possibly is https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/202883/create-xkb-configuration-from-xmodmap#274266
[02:40] <Linkandzelda> how do i enable the non-fuse exfat?
[02:47] <Linkandzelda> np, got it!
[02:59] <bandit-led> ubuntuone lol first site to cause an error with http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.http.sendRefererHeader set to 0
[03:00] <bandit-led> happy i am being kept secure
[03:02] <tomreyn> you'll find many more
[03:04] <tomreyn> there's the "smart referer" add-on for firefox if you'd like more fine-grained control for privacy reasons.
[03:04] <tomreyn> but the default sites can expect is that UAs do send the correct Referer header
[03:06] <bandit-led> all good i just like to complain speaking of complaining libepub or okular-extra-backends ?
[03:06] <tomreyn> those are in universe, community-maintained, so you're complaining to yourself there ;)
[03:07] <bandit-led> at least i didnt post the bug to ubuntu or lubepub yet
[05:10] <goncho> good evening!
[05:31]  * enyc meows
[05:50] <bundtcake> I am stuck in Low Resolution with a Dynex Monitor and AMD Radeon RX 5600
[05:51] <bundtcake> Any suggestions?
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> good morning
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> bundtcake: did your driver pickup? sudo lshw -C video
[05:59] <bundtcake> lotuspsychje: yep and glxinfo says I got direct rendering. Its the Navi 10 model to be more/less precise
[06:00] <lotuspsychje> bundtcake: lets have a look at your dmesg plz?
[06:04] <bundtcake> lotuspsychje: https://pastebin.com/KYp4HAcg I've seen this problem before with the Dynex monitor. Its been so long since I used xrandr for a custom monitor setting.
[06:05] <bundtcake> lotuspsychje: How to check if I'm on Xorg or Wayland right now?
[06:07] <lotuspsychje> bundtcake: im checking your amdgpu in dmesg seems like behaving properly to me
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> bundtcake: did you have this issue on previous ubuntu version(s) ?
[06:11] <bundtcake> lotuspsychje: no, but I had it on win10
[06:11] <lotuspsychje> bundtcake: so maybe its the way you connect that screen?
[06:11] <bundtcake> its hdmi
[06:12] <bundtcake> It does not have hdmi audio support, perhaps I should blacklist that
[06:13] <bundtcake> In win10 the amd settings were able to correct the problem.
[06:13] <lotuspsychje> bundtcake: maybe you should journalctl -f and plug out/back in monitor and see what errors you getting
[06:15] <bundtcake> kernel: [drm:dc_link_detect_helper [amdgpu]] *ERROR* EDID checksum invalid.
[06:17] <lotuspsychje> bundtcake: is your system rather new or older hardware in general?
[06:19] <bundtcake> lotuspsychje: My monitor is quite old and the system is not the latest but sort of higher end. Does ubuntu offer any other kernel versions to run? Someone said I should extract edid for my monitor from another release.
[06:20] <lotuspsychje> bundtcake: yeah i was just about to suggest that, trying or 20.04 or latest ubuntu release or play with !mainline kernels for testing
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> bundtcake: if we can prove this happens ocross several ubuntu releases and kernels, you could consider a new !bug
[06:24] <bundtcake> lotuspsychje: just compiled a new kernel, brb going to take it for a spin.
[06:24]  * bundtcake fistbumps lotus
[06:24] <lotuspsychje> compile?
[06:29] <bundtcake> lotuspsychoje: its working now, looks extra crisp.
[06:29] <lotuspsychje> wich kernel is loaded?
[06:30] <bundtcake> lotuspsychje: a custom liquorix install I got going on another machine
[06:32] <bundtcake> lotuspsychje: is there a repo for newer video drivers and X server?
[06:32] <lotuspsychje> bundtcake: boot back into ubuntus default kernel and file a new !bug; ubuntu-bug linux
[06:32] <bundtcake> Going to extract that edid before doing so
[06:33] <lotuspsychje> bundtcake: well for AMD cards driver should just work, but we often see users benefit higher kernels om AMD hardware
[07:23] <coz_> DavidPaiva[m], did you solve yor issue fromm yesterday?
[08:04] <Metamorphosis> Hello everyone, I had installed a browser called Brave browser which I found to be dangerous or scam, I removed it via "apt purge brave-browser brave-keyring" and then proceeded to remove its repo from packagemanger software sources list.
[08:05] <Metamorphosis> The problem however is that when I use the command "apt update" it says : An error occurred during the signature verification. The repository is not updated and the previous index files will be used. GPG error: https://brave-browser-apt-release.s3.brave.com stable InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A8580BDC82D3DC6C
[08:05] <Metamorphosis> How can I get rid of the left-over traces of this browser?
[08:05] <StyXman> does anyone know is itś possible to download the data for https://certification.ubuntu.com/ ? I'm looking for a new laptop and it would be nice to filter by specs instead of having to browse 137 hits: https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop/models?release=20.04%20LTS&category=Laptop
[08:06] <StyXman> Metamorphosis: it's not scam, it's well known
[08:06] <Metamorphosis> StyXman looked very scammy to me. Anyways I want to get rid of it and stick to Firefox.
[08:06] <tomreyn> Metamorphosis: you'll probably have a file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/brave*  which you need to remove, yet
[08:06] <StyXman> Metamorphosis: check under the /etc/apt directory
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> StyXman: most laptop will run ubuntu fine, just need to think about some chipsets in your new laptop that could cause trouble more
[08:07] <lotuspsychje> StyXman: realtek and ralink chipsets for example
[08:08] <StyXman> Metamorphosis: I never tried it myself, I think I have my ffox pretty locked down with ublock origin as firewall (deny any 3rd party site by default) and noscript
[08:08] <Metamorphosis> StyXman there are a lot of documented instances of users complaining about that browser's aggressive behavior and push for crypto tokens etc. Yet, I think it is not a matter to discuss here.
[08:10] <lotuspsychje> #ubuntu-discuss if you like
[08:19] <tomreyn> StyXman: https://github.com/canonical-web-and-design/certification.ubuntu.com/ and https://certification.canonical.com/api/v1/ - if that tells you anything. that's not a (meant to be) public api, of course.
[08:26] <StyXman> tomreyn: tx, will check
[09:06] <spinningCat> yo yo yo
[09:12] <spinningCat> ,hey
[09:12] <spinningCat> i try to install pycharm-community and it is told to type apt-get install pychar-community but it is not there
[09:13] <spinningCat> should i add some address or something. As far as I see that must be in default repo.
[09:22] <StyXman> spinningCat: I think it's not
[09:23] <StyXman> spinningCat: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=pycharm&searchon=names&suite=hirsute&section=all
[09:23] <StyXman> so review the installations instructions, there must be something about a PPA or another repo
[09:26] <spinningCat> i just checked two addresses already. There wasnt any ppa mentioned. Let me check link you posted
[09:29] <spinningCat> i guess i should install anaconda
[09:30] <spinningCat> so i can install pycharm easily
[10:20] <VMGuy234> I want to copy a file to my Samsung Galaxy A21s but it fails using USB. Any way this can be fixed?
[10:23] <VMGuy234> I am on Ubuntu 21.04 using GNOME (Ubuntu) DE and Nautilus as my file manager
[11:40] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:56] <Walex> VMGuy23: MTP transfer may or may not work...
[11:57] <Walex> VMGuy23: there are two alternatives: "developer mode" transfers using ADB, or running an SSH server on the cellphone and using RSYNC.
[11:58] <Walex> VMGuy23: I use SimpleSSHD as the SSH server.
[12:15] <RupertEverton> I'm having an issue with gnome boxes on ubuntu 21.04 -- when i try to set up a vm i get the following error "virtualization extensions are unavailable on your system. check your bios settings to enable them". I have indeed checked my uefi settings and all related settings are enabled. "cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep vmx svm" doesn't show anything for svm
[12:15] <RupertEverton> while it has a regular output for vmx
[12:18] <Walex> VMGuy23: another option is SyncThing.
[12:21] <jimbo> RupertEverton Its probably disabled in your bios
[12:21] <Walex> RupertEverton: one if the AMD, and the other the Intel virtualization type
[12:21] <Walex> RupertEverton: it depends a lot on how you are trying to create the VMs.
[12:22] <RupertEverton> jimbo like i said i check my uefi settings, and all virtualization-related options are enabled
[12:22] <Walex> RupertEverton: is your system itself a VM?
[12:22] <RupertEverton> Walex: no, it's a regular install in which i'm trying to create a vm
[12:23] <Walex> RupertEverton: a regular install on which kind of hardware?
[12:25] <RupertEverton> Walex: sorry i dont think i get your question. it's an ubuntu install on the laptop ssd -- its not a vm itself
[12:25] <Walex> RupertEverton: and how are defining the VM? Which command says ""virtualization extensions are unavailable"?
[12:26] <TJ-> RupertEverton: that pesky Dell again?
[12:26] <Walex> RupertEverton: one of my limitations is that unlike most other people on IRC I am a cripple without telepathy, so I have to be told explicitly :-)
[12:27] <TJ-> RupertEverton: what does "kvm-ok" report?
[12:27] <RupertEverton> Walex: i'm using the gnome boxes gui, not a command - i go to select the .iso, then in the resource allocation window i get the error message
[12:27] <RupertEverton> TJ- yes! very pesky indeed
[12:28] <TJ-> RupertEverton: this may be the solution https://www.reddit.com/r/Dell/comments/4eac0h/psa_how_i_got_vtx_working_on_my_dell_xps_9550/
[12:28] <RupertEverton> i need to install cpu-report to run kvm-ok. one moment
[12:28] <RupertEverton> TJ- what was the VM that you ran on my system the other time?
[12:29] <TJ-> RupertEverton: qemu/kvm
[12:29] <RupertEverton> kvm-ok
[12:29] <RupertEverton> INFO: /dev/kvm exists
[12:29] <RupertEverton> KVM acceleration can be used
[12:30] <RupertEverton> i'll try to install qemu/kvm since that worked before
[12:30] <Walex> RupertEverton: are you trying to create VMs as a non-"root" user?
[12:30] <TJ-> RupertEverton: so, it is available. The obvious issue then is that this gnome box thing doesn't have permissions to /dev/kvm
[12:31] <TJ-> RupertEverton: as Walex  has just suggested, if it is executing as your user then unless your user is a member of the 'kvm' group ("sudo adduser $USER kvm") then it won't be able to use hardware acceleration support
[12:33] <RupertEverton> yes i was also thinking that but if i run "sudo gnome-boxes" to open the elevated gui, i no longer get the error message but i cannot customize the allocated resources. in fact, im unable to even see those settings
[12:33] <RupertEverton> i'll try to add myself to kvm
[12:34] <Walex> RupertEverton: A quicker check is simply 'shudo chown $USER /dev/kvm'
[12:35] <TJ-> Even better is "newgrp kvm" after having joined the group
[12:35] <Walex> RupertEverton: anyhow you should read the GNOME Boxes documentation as to it acquiring permissions without running under 'sudo'
[12:36] <Walex> TJ-: 'newgrp kvm' only works for the newly created shell though, so like that 'sudo chown' is only for a test.
[12:36] <RupertEverton> TJ- Walex ive tried "sudo adduser $USER kvm", "sudo chown $USER /dev/kvm", "newgrp kvm" -- none of them worked, i still see the same error message
[12:37] <RupertEverton> i'll try with qemu
[12:38] <TJ-> RupertEverton: Looks like boxes is just a wrapper around QEMU/KVM https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-boxes/stable/supported-protocols.html.en
[12:39] <TJ-> RupertEverton: so basically an alternative to virt-manager we used
[12:39] <RupertEverton> alright we're at a turning point here
[12:39] <TJ-> RupertEverton: also to check capabilites it says to do "gnome-boxes --checks"
[12:40] <RupertEverton> i install 'qemu' and 'qemu-system-x86' (the latter was proposed instead of qumu-kvm) and i'm now able to allocate resources and the error is gone
[12:40] <TJ-> strange; I would have thought gnome-boxes would have a Depends on those
[12:41] <jimbo> $ sudo apt install dnsmasq bridge-utils libvirt-daemon-system libvirt-clients qemu-utils qemu-kvm virtinst virt-manager
[12:41] <jimbo> $ sudo usermod -aG libvirt $USER
[12:41] <jimbo> $ sudo usermode -aG kvm $USER
[12:41] <RupertEverton> gnome-boxes check shows two errors:
[12:41] <RupertEverton> util-app.vala:370: Failed to execute child process ?virsh? (No such file or directory)
[12:41] <RupertEverton> util-app.vala:350: Failed to execute child process ?restorecon? (No such file or directory)
[12:41] <RupertEverton> well two warnings actually
[12:41] <jimbo> ^^^
[12:41] <TJ-> RupertEverton: virsh is the 'shell' for talking to libvirtd
[12:42] <TJ-> RupertEverton: how did you install gnome-boxes? from a package in the repository?
[12:43] <Walex> indeed 'apt-cache depends gnome-boxes' seems to have the right dependencies here...
[12:43] <RupertEverton> TJ- 'sudo apt install gnome-boxes'
[12:43] <TJ-> it has a "Recommends: qemu-system-x86" so have to wonder if it was installed with --no-install-recommends
[12:43] <RupertEverton> actually yes
[12:43] <RupertEverton> mightve been
[12:43] <TJ-> ahuh! :D
[12:44] <RupertEverton> i should try to purge everything and install without the parameter
[12:44] <Walex> RupertEverton: KVM is not needed to run virtual machines
[12:45] <Walex> RupertEverton: so 'gnome-boxes' should have worked regardless.
[12:45] <RupertEverton> we'll find out for sure in a minute
[12:46] <Walex> RupertEverton: you probably requested to define a VM with acceleration without installing the relevant bits.
[12:48] <Walex> RupertEverton: also GNOME Boxes etc. can be used to create ARM, MIPS, etc. VMs, so it is not guaranteed that the right emulator to install is 'qemu-system-x86', so it is just a "Recommends".
[12:49] <RupertEverton> alright so installing gnome-boxes with all recommended packages lets me allocate resources without showing errors. however gnome-boxes check still shows the two warnings -- hopefully they wont be too significant
[12:50] <Walex> https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-boxes/stable/virtualization.html.en
[12:50] <jimbo> Its saturday, people asking for help, then arguing with people and telling them they are wrong. i am off.
[12:50] <TJ-> RupertEverton: 'virsh' is in libvirt-clients -- not entirely clear /why/ boxes would need that rather than using the library
[12:52] <RupertEverton> not sure
[12:52] <RupertEverton> now the vm system booted without issues though so all should be resolved!
[12:52] <RupertEverton> cheers for the help guys, very much appreciated
[13:09] <Guest92> Hello, please advise Is it possible to create zip archives (not tar.gz) with the "tar" command?
[13:11] <gry> Guest92: no, tar only does tar. For zip archives there are 'zip' and 'unzip' commands
[13:11] <oerheks> why, there is the zip tool to do that
[13:11] <gry> Guest92: (and xarchiver GUI probably does both)
[13:11] <Guest92> I like the rich option set that tar offers
[13:12] <oerheks> interesting..
[13:12] <gry> Guest92: file bug reports with the zip package, then, and suggest your favourite features to be added
[13:12] <Guest92> it can create xz, gz, bzip... I thought it can do zip too
[13:13] <gry> nope, unfortunately not
[13:13] <Guest92> thx!
[13:13] <oerheks> gzip is more universal than zip or tar
[13:14] <Guest92> AFAIK on Windows gzip requires additional software
[13:14] <Guest92> zip is handled natively
[13:15]  * oerheks looks out the windows
[13:16] <sixwheeledbeast> they are all separate programs that do similar but separate jobs.
[13:17] <sixwheeledbeast> tar is gnu, zip aint
[13:17] <Guest92> tar has an option of using a third party program, I'll look into it
[13:18] <gry> I have found gnu apps often have a long list of features. Quite advanced.
[13:18] <gry> Guest92: thanks! Please share your findings here.
[13:22] <Guest92> the option -I seems just right
[15:00] <xu-help23w> Hi guys. installed Linux x ubuntu and now the Wi-Fi is periodically turned off. Please help to subdue.
[15:04] <Guest5> any use salt for conifguration management here or is there a separate channel?
[15:07] <wez> I have never heard of salt sorry, but I am into configuration management so I might check it out
[15:08] <Guest5> thanks wez
[15:11] <Guest5> what tool do you use to achieve that?
[15:15] <wez> Guest5: puppet, chef, ansible, AWS specific tools
[15:16] <Guest5> salt is similar to this
[15:28] <B0g4r7> I hate you, systemd.
[15:29] <wez> :(
[15:33] <Entelin> B0g4r7, o ooo can I hate it with you? I really want to hate it, but I need to learn it first to be totally sure.
[15:34] <Entelin> why the fuck is it 1m+ lines of code and has a dns cache?'
[15:34] <Entelin> anyway...
[15:35] <Entelin> out of curiosity have there been successful cases of distro package repositorys being hacked by state actors? For example remote exploits being successfully added?
[15:35] <Entelin> not specifically talking about ubuntu, but in general
[15:37] <Entelin> what about discovered cases of open source devs being paid to include vulnerablities into commonly used software that they maintain?
[15:38] <B0g4r7> The Dual EC DRBG incident is one that comes to mind.
[15:39] <akik> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/11/nsa-ask-linus-torvalds-include-backdoors-linux-father-says-yes
[15:42] <Entelin> there was that long standing issue with rsa as well of course
[15:51] <B0g4r7> Why is it that every time I modify /etc/fstab now I'm expected to "inform" systemd by doing 'syctemctl daemon-reload'?  Why can't it figure that out by itself?
[16:08] <Entelin> B0g4r7: that's going to be true for nearly all config files. For a process to know a file is changed, it would need to be rereading that file constantly, which is ineffecient, and often undesirable
[16:16] <Entelin> B0g4r7: but come to think of it, what issue are you having? I don't really know systemd, but fstab doesn't require anything to work? mount reads that whenever you run mount?
[16:17] <Entelin> and of course restarting the system will read the fstab
[16:17] <Entelin> this going to be a new reason not to like systemd isnt it....
[16:18] <akik> Entelin: the weird thing is that systemd grabs the info from fstab and uses it automatically with the mount units
[16:20] <Entelin> ok well I could ask a bunch of questions about that, but there's no point, I haven't done any real research on systemd yet
[16:41] <TJ-> Entelin: there's a systemd generator, systemd-fstab-generator, that runs before almost anything else when systemd starts, and creates mount units for entries in /etc/fstab
[16:41] <xu-help23w> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/e29b08066f71c5a1f68ad61f69ee5a5e/pasted.txt
[16:45] <rexwin> how to start a service in ubuntu 18 ( salt-minion)
[16:46] <tomreyn> !yy.mm | rexwin
[16:47] <tomreyn> rexwin: but you probably mean 18.04 LTS or 18.10 (which is EOL). and it is/was    systemctl start <service>.unit    in both cases
[16:48] <tomreyn> xu-help23w: did you have an ubuntu support question?
[16:52] <xu-help23w> yes
[16:52] <xu-help23w>  installed Linux x ubuntu and now the Wi-Fi is periodically turned off. Please help to subdue.
[16:53] <Alabalistic> hi
[16:54] <Alabalistic> which ubuntu did you install
[16:56] <Alabalistic> xu-help23w:
[16:56] <xu-help23w> xubuntu 20.04
[16:57] <Alabalistic> open the terminal and pste this command in
[16:57] <Alabalistic> iwconfig
[16:58] <xu-help23w> ready
[16:58] <Alabalistic> show the output do you have "wifi.powersave = 3"
[16:59] <Alabalistic> or something of the sort
[17:00] <xu-help23w> g6:~$ iwconfig
[17:00] <xu-help23w> eno1      no wireless extensions.
[17:00] <xu-help23w> lo        no wireless extensions.
[17:00] <xu-help23w> wlo1      IEEE 802.11  ESSID:"Wi fi"
[17:00] <xu-help23w>           Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.437 GHz  Access Point: 7C:1C:68:47:66:AA
[17:00] <xu-help23w>           Bit Rate=52 Mb/s   Tx-Power=20 dBm
[17:01] <rexwin> I have a host-only adapter added to my ubuntu VM which doesnot create a ip v4 address for enp0s8
[17:02] <xu-help23w> https://termbin.com/a9vy
[17:02] <Alabalistic> xu-help23w:  check your power management
[17:03] <xu-help74w> https://termbin.com/a9vy
[17:03] <Alabalistic> Power Management:on
[17:04] <Alabalistic> I'm on plasma and here is Energy saving, check your settings
[17:04] <Alabalistic> probably your wifi gets down when you unplug the cabel
[17:27] <superkuh> Hi. Does anyone know if Canonical still has the source repos for 10.04 lucid anywhere? I'm looking for the 10.04 source of xchat-gnome so I can apply some patches for SSLv3 to disabled negotiation.
[17:28] <superkuh> Ah, nevermind. I just found it on old-releases.ubuntu.com in the pool.
[17:29] <LittleTimmy63> Hello
[17:33] <coz_> DavidPaiva[m], did you solve your issue from the other day?
[17:35] <xu-help74w> signal level is very weak
[18:34] <rexwin> how to  enable the universe repository?
[18:39] <Drew11092> hey someone call me please?  need help with an ubuntu question- 484-390-2103
[18:50] <remline> rexwin: You can add universe to /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:02] <Entelin> Drew11092: you really shouldn't be posting your number on irc, this all gets publically logged
[19:03] <Entelin> if you wanted to give someone your number do it in a private chat
[19:03] <Entelin> but in any case, post your question here and someone might help
[19:04] <Entelin> oh he was klined rip
[19:27] <entuland> that has to have been a bot, seen the same exact message in a different channel with just "ubuntu" replaced with that other channel name
[19:28] <entuland> actually, now that I read it again, the two messages weren't exactly the same... odd
[19:53] <grieoippe> if I try 'sudo snap install warzone2100' i get 'error: snap "warzone2100" not found', but it is literally the command in the official site. Is this the right channel to ask
[19:53] <grieoippe> ?
[19:56] <oerheks> grieoippe, here it works.. sudo snap install warzone2100 ###
[19:57] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/warzone2100
[19:57] <oerheks> there is a new versin published today, -- edge
[20:09] <grieoippe> oerheks, with 3#?
[20:21] <B0g4r7> omg, systemd hosed me again.
[20:21] <B0g4r7> Two of my USB hard drives disconnected and reconnected for no apparent reason.
[20:21] <B0g4r7> Systemd decided it needed to intervene, and stopped nfs-kernel-server.
[20:22] <thyriaen> Howdy, i recently switched to be using my laptop as a desktop replacement and it is basically stationary, plugged in and running the entire day :: is there a way i can set it up such that it does not constantly charge and discharge the battery but instead leave it as is and just use the power from the plug to run it ?
[20:22] <entuland> B0g4r7, it may be a power surge
[20:22] <B0g4r7> That brought my chia harvester to a halt right at the moment when it was eligible to farm a block, and by the time I restarted nfs-kernel-server, it was too late and the 30 second window was past.
[20:23] <B0g4r7> 6 plots were eligible for farming 4e6745e0df... Found 1 proofs. Time: 81.55186 s.
[20:23] <entuland> all of my USB devices disconnect and reconnect every time my heating water circulation pump goes on or off (some kind of weird interference on the power lines)
[20:23] <B0g4r7> So I missed out on 2 XCH, $830 thanks to systemd.
[20:23] <B0g4r7> I hate you, systemd.
[20:24] <B0g4r7> If it had just minded its business and not intervened, those two drives could have been offline and the rest of the system would have kept moving along.
[20:24] <cbreak> usb isn't known to be reliable
[20:25] <B0g4r7> It would have been fine if systemd had minded its business.
[20:25] <cbreak> it did, obviously
[20:25] <cbreak> if it stopped nfs, then it only did that because it was configured to
[20:25] <B0g4r7> It has no business stopping nfs-kernel-server.
[20:49] <jjbuggle> how do I connect my thumbdrive so I can copy and delete files?  It is being mounted as readonly
[20:54] <entuland> something is off if it got mounted as readonly, jjbuggle
[20:54] <entuland> have a look here to see if there is any useful pointer: https://itectec.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-how-to-fix-read-only-usb-drive/
[20:54] <entuland> your actual issue may be different
[20:55] <entuland> in particular pay attention to point 3 in that reply, as it may be the failure protection of the device
[21:01] <jjbuggle> man, this is such a pain.  I don't know the mount point
[21:02] <entuland> how can you even tell how it's being mounted if you can't tell the mount point?
[21:02] <entuland> even if you're on desktop you should be able to access that information
[21:02] <Alabalistic> entuland: who is the owner
[21:02] <entuland> guess the above ^ is for jjbuggle
[21:03] <Alabalistic> there is no read only for the root
[21:03] <entuland> not even if the device is in failure mode protection?
[21:03] <Alabalistic> your drive must be in /media
[21:03] <Alabalistic> sudo -i
[21:04] <Alabalistic> cd /media/TAB/TAB/TAB
[21:04] <Alabalistic> use the autocompletition til you find it
[21:04] <jjbuggle> i figured out the /dev location (sorry, not mount point)  so many entries
[21:05] <Alabalistic> entuland: you are right wrong number sorry
[21:05] <cbreak> jjbuggle: lsblk shows devices, and mountpoints if they're mounted
[21:05] <entuland> np
[21:05] <cbreak> findmnt shows mount points in tree form
[21:06] <cbreak> might be easier to parse by a human that way
[21:06] <jjbuggle> im using gparted at the moment.  I thought maybe the drive was toast
[21:07] <Alabalistic> find it using lsblk and dd a copy on your Disk  as a backup if the info is important
[21:08] <Alabalistic> can give a command if you give me the /dev/sdXXXX
[21:09] <jjbuggle> formating worked, but now it is only accessible by root
[21:09] <jjbuggle> man, this is such a pain
[21:09] <jjbuggle> I have to freaking hack my own usb drive
[21:09] <Alabalistic> don't use a ext4 on a usb drive
[21:10] <entuland> well, on the bright side looks like you didn't have any valuable data there
[21:10] <Alabalistic> use some exfat or something without file ownership
[21:10] <Alabalistic> if you wanna use exfat probably you wanna install it first, not all linux have it by default
[21:10] <cbreak> use zfs on it :D
[21:10] <cbreak> then you'll at least notice when the drive corrupts data
[21:11] <jjbuggle> that might be the issue, etx4.  I used whatever ubuntu startup disk creator to have xubuntu 18.04 liveusb installed, and I just wanted to get rid of that.  Such a damn pain
[21:11] <cbreak> (that's useful with usb flash drives...)
[21:11] <cbreak> jjbuggle: the ubuntu install media do weird crap with their partition tables
[21:11] <Alabalistic> cbreak: whe you plug your drive and suddenly all the ram is gone
[21:11] <akik> jjbuggle: use chown to change the permissions on the stick
[21:12] <cbreak> I think they somehow pretend to be a CD-ROM and have a normal partition table at the same time
[21:12] <Alabalistic> jjbuggle:  I allways install ubuntu-restricted-extras, and exfat
[21:12] <cbreak> Mac OS can't even parse that thing properly
[21:13] <jjbuggle> fwiw, I used gparted to reformat to ext2.  Then created a new folder (called movies cause I want to play a move on a tv), chowned that folder to myself, and I just finished copying the movie.  WEW!
[21:13] <cbreak> you think your TV can mount ext2?
[21:14] <jjbuggle> cbreak: ah fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
[21:14] <cbreak> to talk to such devices I'd use fat32 or so
[21:14] <Alabalistic> exfat for usb. sudo apt install exfat-utils #and life is good
[21:15] <Alabalistic> fat32 4Gigs maximum file size
[21:16] <cbreak> fat32 is ancient, so most things should be able to read it
[21:19] <Alabalistic> on a big USB I install ventoy, and it is like virtualisation server for usb drives, you can boot iso simply by copy them and plays mp3 in the car audio
[21:20] <Alabalistic> even ecrypt my ssh key for emergency situation
[21:20] <Alabalistic> https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html
[21:21] <jjbuggle> ok, so I have to update you guys.  Well, it didn't work.  Probably the ext2 thing.  But I figured out how my little plex setup was working exactly, so that is working.   Didn't work - but all for not.
[21:22] <jjbuggle> and kinda funny, imho
[21:24] <Alabalistic> jjbuggle: Linux read and write almost all filesystem, so you need to consider the other side and the capabilities of the device and os
[21:25] <Alabalistic> what is the model of the tv, check the supported FS, and then you will have less issues
[21:28] <jjbuggle> Alabalistic: thanks man.  I should check, but I will later.  Just, feel free to laugh at me, for having it working right from the beginning.
[21:29] <Alabalistic> so many data loss I had till I build my ZFS pool
[21:44] <jpmh> Iknow how to change/spoof my MAC address using ifconfig ... down, ifconfig hw ...; ifconfi ..up;  Is there some way I can just configure it so that it is set as the address I want rather than it starting wrong and needing to be changed?
[21:50] <coz_> DavidPaiva[m],
[21:51] <catoblepa> jpmh: try with macchanger
[21:52] <jpmh> catoblepa: from what I am reading on maccchanger it will do what I want, sort of,but after the other/hardware address  her been alloacted
[21:52] <jpmh> catoblepa: am I wrong in what I am understanding
[21:54] <cbreak> netplan can set mac addresses it seems
[21:56] <jpmh> cbreak: ty - I'll look at that too
[22:02] <jpmh> catoblepa: and cbreak it seems thatmy reading of the docs on maccchanger was wrong.  It seems to do exactly what I want - ty so much both of you
[22:03] <jpmh> this is why I stick with Ubuntu, the community is so helpful and so nice
[22:49] <BakedGoodz> @enyc wheres the good industry related chat??
[22:49] <leftyfb> BakedGoodz: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:50] <BakedGoodz> thankx
[22:55] <mort> https://p.mort.coffee/dnj.png is Grub Customizer from the ubuntu-hirsute-universe repo really proprietary..?
[22:56] <mort> it claims to be GPLv3 on github
[22:58] <PMT> "Universe - Community-maintained free and open-source software.
[22:58] <mort> well ubuntu software says its license is "proprietary"
[22:58] <Flannel> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/g/grub-customizer/grub-customizer_5.1.0-3/copyright
[22:58] <Flannel> But yeah, if it's in universe, not proprietary.
[22:58] <mort> why does ubuntu software say proprietary then?
[22:59] <Flannel> Because it's wrong!  Maybe it doesn't know how to parse "GPL-3+ with OpenSSL exception" so it just defaults to proprietary
[23:00] <mort> I've noticed a lot of "proprietary" software in ubuntu software
[23:01] <Flannel> Anything in main or universe isn't proprietary.  The Ubuntu Software Center is just dumb.
[23:07] <tomreyn> Flannel: there are packages with proprietary licenses in main, so that's not entirely correct.
[23:08] <PMT> Hm, kdump seems to just hang forever on this 20.04 system, and not...you know, dump.
[23:12] <Flannel> tomreyn: Like what?  news to me.  Thought those would be in restricted.
[23:20] <tomreyn> Flannel: intel + amd microcode packages
[23:26] <tomreyn> linux-firmware, too, and other firmwares