[16:42] <OvenWrks> Eickmeyer: I think I need to revisit ubuntustudio-menu-item-creator after controls is out.
[16:50] <Eickmeyer> OvenWrks: Well, yeah. The KDE Menu Editor does xdg pretty well and nested menus, so I'm even wondering if there's any point to it going forward.
[16:56] <OvenWrks> Eickmeyer: I had reason to use it to help my son add a desktop file for an application that came without one and found the process "unintuitive". I think an install style with a bunch of next/back buttons would make more sense... 
[16:57] <Eickmeyer> OvenWrks: Ok, I'd like to see that.
[16:57] <Eickmeyer> Honestly, though, makind a desktop file for an application that comes without one can be done from packaging.
[16:57] <Eickmeyer> *making
[16:57] <OvenWrks> Eickmeyer: Is the kde menu editor seems (at least in my studio over kubuntu) hard to find
[16:58] <Eickmeyer> Right-click on launcher, "Edit Applications...". Not hard at all.
[16:58] <OvenWrks> in my son's case that was not an option.
[16:58] <Eickmeyer> Did you try?
[16:58] <OvenWrks> ah, I was looking in settings
[17:00] <OvenWrks> maybe what you mean by packaging is not what I am thinking. To me that means bug the packager (this was not a package he started with).
[17:01] <OvenWrks> going forward, he is learning programing
[17:01] <OvenWrks> python right now, but mybe c++ as well
[17:02] <Eickmeyer> Well, if it's an application that doesn't include a .desktop file, that can be provided by the packager. I could even do it if it's something in the repos already.
[17:08] <OvenWrks> it's a game editor from the game site.
[17:08] <OvenWrks> I think it came as a zip
[17:09] <OvenWrks> no install script
[17:09] <Eickmeyer> Ah, I see.
[17:09] <OvenWrks> " go to the directory where you unzipped your download and open <filename>"
[17:10] <Eickmeyer> Lazy packaging. So many devs think they have to do the actual packaging.
[17:14] <OvenWrks> Eickmeyer: for menu-item-creator I am thinking a first screen with "I want to:" with two options A: create a new menu item, B: edit an existing item
[17:16] <OvenWrks> Next would go to a menu item name dialog having three things: an entry box, a search box and a dropdown. Maybe just an entry for create and just search and drop down for existing.
[17:18] <OvenWrks> for create, next would go the menu item editor we start normally. but existing could go right to the edit page we have now.
[17:21] <OvenWrks> I think when I install 21.10 for PW testing. I will play with kmenuedit. If it seems to do whatever our little menu editor does. it can replace it.
[17:22] <OvenWrks> maybe add an item to the settings menu :)