[16:42] Eickmeyer: I think I need to revisit ubuntustudio-menu-item-creator after controls is out. [16:50] OvenWrks: Well, yeah. The KDE Menu Editor does xdg pretty well and nested menus, so I'm even wondering if there's any point to it going forward. [16:56] Eickmeyer: I had reason to use it to help my son add a desktop file for an application that came without one and found the process "unintuitive". I think an install style with a bunch of next/back buttons would make more sense... [16:57] OvenWrks: Ok, I'd like to see that. [16:57] Honestly, though, makind a desktop file for an application that comes without one can be done from packaging. [16:57] *making [16:57] Eickmeyer: Is the kde menu editor seems (at least in my studio over kubuntu) hard to find [16:58] Right-click on launcher, "Edit Applications...". Not hard at all. [16:58] in my son's case that was not an option. [16:58] Did you try? [16:58] ah, I was looking in settings [17:00] maybe what you mean by packaging is not what I am thinking. To me that means bug the packager (this was not a package he started with). [17:01] going forward, he is learning programing [17:01] python right now, but mybe c++ as well [17:02] Well, if it's an application that doesn't include a .desktop file, that can be provided by the packager. I could even do it if it's something in the repos already. [17:08] it's a game editor from the game site. [17:08] I think it came as a zip [17:09] no install script [17:09] Ah, I see. [17:09] " go to the directory where you unzipped your download and open " [17:10] Lazy packaging. So many devs think they have to do the actual packaging. [17:14] Eickmeyer: for menu-item-creator I am thinking a first screen with "I want to:" with two options A: create a new menu item, B: edit an existing item [17:16] Next would go to a menu item name dialog having three things: an entry box, a search box and a dropdown. Maybe just an entry for create and just search and drop down for existing. [17:18] for create, next would go the menu item editor we start normally. but existing could go right to the edit page we have now. [17:21] I think when I install 21.10 for PW testing. I will play with kmenuedit. If it seems to do whatever our little menu editor does. it can replace it. [17:22] maybe add an item to the settings menu :)