[00:19] <DavidPaiva[m]> didn't work
[00:19] <DavidPaiva[m]> I amthinking in trying kubuntu and then adding ubuntu dstudio desktop from there
[00:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> David Paiva: There's a known issue with shim right now. You probably won't be able to install on your system. For issues like this, however, you're better off asking in #ubuntu:libera.chat. You may need to register.
[00:26] <Eickmeyer[m]> !register
[00:31] <DavidPaiva[m]> ah, ok. To be honest I don't even know what lshim is
[00:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> It has to do with the bootloader.
[00:33] <DavidPaiva[m]> hum... Maybe another distro can work
[00:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> All Ubuntu 21.04 flavors are affected, so Kubuntu will not work either.
[00:35] <DavidPaiva[m]> hum... So it's better to install LTS?
[00:35] <Eickmeyer> Or wait about a week or so.
[00:36] <Eickmeyer> The issue has been fixed, it's just undergoing migration from propsed to stable updates.
[00:36] <DavidPaiva[m]> Yeah, but I need to install something since there is no distro installed at the moment. I can upgrade to 21.04 later
[00:36] <Eickmeyer> BUT, when it comes to this kind of thing, the Ubuntu channel might be more responsive and know more.
[00:36] <Eickmeyer> All Ubuntu flavors are Ubuntu, not just Ubuntu under-the-hood, but completely Ubuntu.
[00:41] <DavidPaiva[m]> big sad
[01:53] <DavidPaiva[m]> So, issue solved
[01:53] <DavidPaiva[m]> long story short:
[01:53] <DavidPaiva[m]> First i disabled secure boot. This solved the first issue
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[01:54] <DavidPaiva[m]> then I had this issue
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[01:55] <DavidPaiva[m]> then I did two things:
[01:55] <DavidPaiva[m]> 1) connected the internet
[01:55] <DavidPaiva[m]> 2) changed the installation language to american english (it was in pt-br)
[01:55] <DavidPaiva[m]> ANd... it solved somehow
[01:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> David Paiva: Probably updated to a newer version of the installer.
[01:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> Which had that bug fixed.
[01:56] <Eickmeyer[m]> But, yeah, secure boot would bypass the need for shim.
[01:58] <DavidPaiva[m]> Yeah, in the end I got two bugs in sequence, lol.
[01:58] <DavidPaiva[m]> The first one is related to secure boot and shim ok.
[01:58] <DavidPaiva[m]> The second one... Have no idea
[08:42] <tomreyn> DavidPaiva[m]: i think what you pasted there ^ is essentially twice the same, except one time it says "sarnold" to the end.
[12:44] <gnomish_arcanum[> Hello all ! I have made the jump to Ubuntu Studio (21.04) and I'm starting to personalize it for my use. I've run into a hiccup while pruning the many fonts bundled in the distro. I'm currently uninstalling font packages via synaptic package manager and font manager and it don't seem to agree on what is already installed.  Synaptic tells me fonts-aenigma 456 fonts package is not installed but Font Manager lists them as installed.
[12:44] <gnomish_arcanum[> How can I get rid of this package ?
[12:47] <gnomish_arcanum[> Another (simpler) question : what is the recommended Menu Editor for the KDE Plasma Menu used by Ubuntu Studio 21.04 ?
[15:06] <OvenWrks> gnomish_arcanum[: good questions all :)
[15:23] <OvenWrks> gnomish_arcanum[: it may be that this font is also a part of another package, using apt or dpkg search which package one of the font files comes from may help. Or the package has been removed but the config shows it still there, not apt remove purged...
[15:27] <OvenWrks> my opinion about menu editing... is to use kate :)  and edit manually. But I seem to recall that KDE does the best menu editing of the DE. do not use anything from gnome, xfce, lxde (or it's newer couterpart qtde). The ubuntustudio-menu-item-creator does a good job too.
[15:35] <OvenWrks> gnomish_arcanum[: If by menu editing, you mean create new menus and sub menus, there is not really a great tool for that. The menus in studio were all manually created with a text editer and many applications do not automatically end up in the "right place". The freedesktop spec is not that good and of course application developers are free to catagorize their applications as they choose.
[15:40] <OvenWrks> gnomish_arcanum[: Therefore many of the applications had to be forced into the sub menus they are in now. The applications are not "wrong" really, but the freedesktop suggestions for adding an application to various catagories are vague and not helpful. With ubuntustudio-menu-item-creator, ubuntustudio has a strict set of catagories that place menu items in particular submenus. These are 
[15:40] <OvenWrks> non-standard and so are useful only with the ubuntustudio menu configuration.
[15:43] <OvenWrks> gnomish_arcanum[: be aware that menu editing in most DEs simply will not work without hacking the system menu config files. KDE is really the only DE to get this right. I have put in bug reports and in most cases they have been ignored. I think xubuntu has it right these days even if xfce does not.
[15:43] <OvenWrks> (it's a one line fix)
[16:17] <gnomish_arcanum[> Ok, i guess that i'll have to fire up the text editor then. The base menu and sub categories do a good enough job for the default installation but it's starting to get hard to navigate once you've started to customize your toolkit. Thanks for your advice :)
[16:35] <OvenWrks> gnomish_arcanum[: kde default menu is in /etc/xdg/menus/, this is modified by /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/studio.menu
[16:36] <OvenWrks> you can directly edit studio.menu or create ~/.config/menus/mymenu.menu to work on top of system
[16:38] <OvenWrks> studio.menu overrides the system (actually parts of system) and of course ~/.config/menus can override that.
[16:39] <OvenWrks> looking at studio.menu may be the best tutorial-ish way of learning though.
[16:40] <OvenWrks> gnomish_arcanum[: it should be obvious... if you decide to modify the system files make a backup first :) That way you can always go back.