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[02:11] <coreyhuinker> is there a way to install a proposed package aside from building it from source?
[02:14] <PMT> I believe you could enable the $RELEASE-proposed repo? I've never had occasion to do it, though, so could be wrong.
[02:14] <oops> the vpn which built by myself can't live more than two days, i has tried openvpn and wireguard ,both of them are blocked by my ISP firewall, my question is how to escape blocked?
[02:15] <PMT> (Note that enabling -proposed should probably come with apt preferences to avoid it trying to upgrade to anything in there.)
[02:16] <coreyhuinker> PMT: so is it viable to enable -proposed, install just the one package, then disable proposed?
[02:17] <PMT> I would guess so, but again, be careful of it wanting to install other packages from proposed.
[02:18] <coreyhuinker> yeah, that was my fear as well, hence hoping that there was a way to cherry-pick packages from the repo. I suppose I could browse the repo and manually download it...
[02:19] <PMT> Presumably, but then you have to manually install deps
[02:21] <coreyhuinker> PMT: of course, but this package is a bugfix release of a single package. thanks for your help
[02:23] <PMT> np
[02:45] <Kill-Animals> with make, how do I set what directory the build will be made to?
[02:57] <bandit-led> make will usualy make in the directoru under where uyour building
[03:00] <Kill-Animals> mmm okay
[03:40] <malwar3hun73r> I'm trying to install rocm and am having repo issues i cannnot resolve
[03:41] <malwar3hun73r> https://pastebin.com/MmdVxKnW
[03:41] <malwar3hun73r> https://pastebin.com/zwXQTrar
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[04:10] <src> malwar3hun73r: did you update your repositores before trying
[04:10] <src> what does $ dpkg --get-selections | grep hold
[04:10] <src> say
[04:13] <src> and what ubuntu version are you on?
[04:13] <icedwater> sarnold: thanks for the advice, I usually do, but I couldn't even create a venv, probably because of another upgrade-related bug.
[04:15] <src> malwar3hun73r: also $ apt-cache showpkg rocm
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[05:59] <icedwater> As it happens, for whatever reason, the _sysconfigdata__x86_64-linux-gnu.py issue is fixed with a symlink in my case, as this answer to a different question suggests: https://stackoverflow.com/a/59793251/1091386
[06:00] <icedwater> I can now do venv and pip without issue.
[06:00] <icedwater> Thanks to all who've tried to help :)
[06:02] <abcd> The filesystem of my USB flash drive is FAT32 .....Can I use Grsync to backup files ?
[06:05] <EriC^^> abcd: sure that works
[06:05] <EriC^^> abcd: you should only know that fat32 doesnt support files larger than 4GB
[06:06] <abcd> EriC^^: Which linux filesystem do you recommend for 32GB flash drive ?
[06:07] <EriC^^> ext4 should be fine, or if you want more support for OS exfat fs
[06:09] <abcd> EriC^^: Thanks ..... Do you know how to register my nick under libera.chat network ?
[06:09] <EriC^^> abcd: /nickserv register <password> <email>
[08:18] <sveinse> Just asked a question as usual at freenode and didn't get the usual flood of answers and it turns out you're all here. Anyways,
[08:20] <sveinse> Is there a way in 20.04 to prevent nfs from locking up the boot? The fstab entry has 0 0 as the two last numbers, but it still prevented the boot from proceeding for 5 mins or so
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[08:40] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> hey ubuntu newcomers, here is my little blog, for those who wonder about some tips
[08:40] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> http://mytechservinginternetmeals.blogspot.com/
[08:42] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I will soon add little tips about using LVM, some nautilus modification for 18.04 (which I still use)
[08:43] <MTecknology> The installer offers the option to set up lvm on top of a luks volume in one of the "default" setups, but looking at the manual disk setup, I don't see LVM listed anywhere in the "Use as:" list. Everything else... but not lvm. :/
[08:51] <MTecknology> yeah, it seems like LVM support doesn't exist in the manual configuration, but that seems silly. :/
[09:17] <GuiToris> hello, I've been updating my lubuntu guest for about an hour and a half. It's at 65% now. I checked htop on the host and Vbox uses about 3% of CPU
[09:17] <GuiToris> why is it still so slow?
[09:18] <GuiToris> acceleration: VT-x/AMD-V, Nested Paging, KVM Paravirtualization
[09:18] <GuiToris> (whatever they mean)
[09:18] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> too much memory, not enough cores
[09:18] <GuiToris> I have 8Gb and gave 2Gb to Lubuntu
[09:19] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> sounds more than ok
[09:20] <GuiToris> I can't find why it's super slow
[09:22] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> give more gpu memory too
[09:23] <GuiToris> I have the maximum, 128Mb, but not the OS is slow, but the installing/updating process
[09:23] <GuiToris> I don't know if they're comparable, but WinXP runs smoothly
[09:24] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> dude, winxp is not comparable
[09:24] <GuiToris> I've tried ubuntu too, and I thought it was huge, but lubuntu is just as slow
[09:25] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> I am lost, your host is ubuntu, and gues is lubuntu
[09:25] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> ?
[09:25] <GuiToris> no, my host is Arch, and only the guest is Lubuntu
[09:25] <GuiToris> the updating process is at 67% now
[09:26] <GuiToris> it's updating about 10 packages
[09:26] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> .... it gets more interesting with every sentence,
[09:26] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> well then don't update it
[09:27] <GuiToris> I can't take it back, there's no cancel button
[09:27] <GuiToris> I wish I knew what makes it so slow
[09:27] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> then wait dude
[09:28] <Ronalds_Mazitis_> installing or downloading it?
[09:29] <GuiToris> only the installing, it downloaded the files at normal speed
[09:29] <GuiToris> it's doing 'preparing installation of libreoffice, unpacking libreoffice
[09:30] <GuiToris> but again, it's using 3% CPU power
[09:31] <GuiToris> (execution cap is 100%)
[09:36] <GuiToris> https://www.dropbox.com/s/4ngfif4byc7uk20/screen.jpg?dl=0
[10:45] <varaindemian56> hi, I am trying to boot in boot but I am stuck with a blinking ucrsor in the up left corner. Running on a fresh install of 20.04 on my new laptop
[10:45] <varaindemian56> previously ran Linux mint with no issue
[10:46] <varaindemian56> I also have this erroes after I turn it off https://ibb.co/RB94Dq2
[10:46] <varaindemian56> any idea how to fix it?
[10:48] <varaindemian56> also I am not able to boot into the distro after switching to Nouveau
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[10:56] <varaindemian56> anybody?
[11:49] <JayDoubleu> Is mdadm smart enough to recognise member disks by their ID when I create the array by /dev/sdX ?
[12:25] <varaindemian56> anybody here?>
[12:28] <tomreyn> !ask | varaindemian56
[12:28] <ubottu> varaindemian56: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[12:28] <tomreyn> ah, you asked previously, sorry.
[12:31] <tomreyn> varaindemian56: what do you mean by "i'm trying to boot in boot [..]"? is the bios up to date? how are you booting (uefi vs classic bios)? what's the hardware?
[12:31] <heap> hello, what is executing spans on top of my zfs? zfs-auto-snap_hourly- etc etc
[12:31] <heap> zsys daemon is not there
[12:32] <heap> oh crontabs!
[12:33] <varaindemian56> I think I solve those problems by recovery booting and fixing broken packages.
[12:33] <tomreyn> varaindemian56: broken packages after a fresh install? that's strange.
[12:35] <varaindemian56> tomreyn yeah switched from Nvidia to Nouveau
[12:35] <varaindemian56> and I think the broke them
[12:35] <varaindemian56> here are my new broken packages
[12:35] <varaindemian56> https://ibb.co/SJjqLLW
[12:35] <varaindemian56> my new errors*
[12:36] <tomreyn> those are still errors regarding the intel audio chipset (azalia codec)
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:36] <tomreyn> those are probably not related to video
[12:36] <varaindemian56> sound I guess?
[12:37] <varaindemian56> how can I fix them?
[12:37] <tomreyn> are you getting a shell now?
[12:37] <varaindemian56> is there a problem if I switched from nvidia to nouveau and then back tonouveau?
[12:37] <varaindemian56> tomreyn yea
[12:39] <tomreyn> it's not a problem to switch from nouveau to nvidia and back to nouveau again. but reverting all the static configurations the nvidia driver makes may be involved.
[12:40] <tomreyn> i.e. you'll need to undo the nouveau module blacklisting and the xorg.conf configurations
[12:40] <varaindemian56> I switched from nvidia to nouveau and then back to nvidia
[12:41] <tomreyn> <tomreyn> are you getting a shell now?
[12:41] <varaindemian56> tomreyn system is up and running
[12:41] <varaindemian56> yes
[12:41] <tomreyn> did you install all pending updates?
[12:42] <varaindemian56> no
[12:42] <tomreyn> you should
[12:42] <tomreyn> !uptodate
[12:42] <ubottu> To ensure you have all the latest known patches and security updates for your ubuntu installation, please update with the following command: `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade`. See also !upgrades and !security; you may also need to run `apt full-upgrade`.
[12:42] <tomreyn> make sure you    sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade
[12:42] <varaindemian56> I did now
[12:43] <varaindemian56> full upgradE?
[12:43] <varaindemian56> why?
[12:44] <varaindemian56> all my packages are up to date alreadyu
[12:44] <tomreyn> because you want all the latest updates available for 20.04
[12:44] <varaindemian56> thougth upgrade was enough
[12:44] <varaindemian56> always used just upgrade
[12:45] <yuzi> hello
[12:46] <tomreyn> apt full-upgrade will also remove old packages if needed to perform the upgrade of packages to their latest versions
[12:46] <Chunkyz-RPi> varaindemian56: full-upgrade is so packages don't get left in-updated,
[12:46] <Chunkyz-RPi> un-updated*
[12:46] <tomreyn> hi yuzi
[12:46] <Chunkyz-RPi> what tomreyn said, always best to use it.
[12:46] <varaindemian56> everything is up to date anyway
[12:46] <yuzi> Hi
[12:47] <varaindemian56> I am looking to fix my sound isseus now
[12:47] <varaindemian56> https://ibb.co/SJjqLLW
[12:47] <yuzi> I use the irc for the first time
[12:47] <Chunkyz-RPi> !ot | yuzi
[12:47] <ubottu> yuzi: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!
[12:47] <varaindemian56> can I se these two isseus anywhere?
[12:48] <yuzi> thank
[12:48] <yuzi> Thank you
[12:48] <yuzi> you are so friendly
[12:50] <varaindemian56> anyone any idea about these? https://ibb.co/SJjqLLW
[12:50] <tomreyn> varaindemian56: the reason i recommended a full upgrade is that it can fix bugs which would otherwise remain. so let me ask again: did you run sudo apt full-upgrade ?
[12:50] <varaindemian56> tomreyn yes
[12:51] <varaindemian56> already up to date
[12:51] <tomreyn> varaindemian56: good! did you reboot since? please do.
[12:51] <varaindemian56> yes
[12:52] <tomreyn> varaindemian56: let's see wome warnings and errors from your system:   journalctl -b0 -p4 | nc termbin.com 9999
[12:53] <yuzi> I am linux noob
[12:54] <tomreyn> yuzi: that's fine. but please keep in mind this channel is really just for support Q&A. you can chat freely in #ubuntu-offtopic (but please read the topic there, too)
[12:54] <yuzi> ok
[12:54] <varaindemian56> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/slvc
[12:55] <tomreyn> varaindemian56: you're still using the (proprietary) "nvidia" kernel module, in case you aren't aware.
[12:56] <varaindemian56> yeah, I want to use them
[12:56] <tomreyn> you did not reboot after running apt full-upgrade.
[12:56] <varaindemian56> tomreyn as I said I switched from Nvidia to Nouveau then back to Nvidia
[12:57] <tomreyn> <varaindemian56> is there a problem if I switched from nvidia to nouveau and then back tonouveau?
[12:57] <tomreyn> that's what you said
[12:57] <tomreyn> then <varaindemian56> I switched from nvidia to nouveau and then back to nvidia
[12:57] <tomreyn> i got confused
[12:58] <varaindemian56> ah sorry
[12:58] <varaindemian56> the last one is correct
[12:59] <tomreyn> i think i had just missed this line, sorry.
[13:02] <tomreyn> varaindemian56: there's nothin g about snd_hda_intel on these logs. when do you see  https://i.ibb.co/0Q7Pww8/047-F65-A9-8-FE1-4-E63-857-D-5-D1-EFBC542-B8.jpg - is this during shutdown?
[13:02] <varaindemian56> tomreyn yes right after shutdown
[13:02] <varaindemian56> or during shutdown
[13:03] <tomreyn> does the system not power off then properly?
[13:03] <varaindemian56> tomreyn everything else seem fine?
[13:03] <varaindemian56> tomreyn it does shutdown properly
[13:03] <tomreyn> i didn't see other serious problems on the logs you posted.
[13:03] <tomreyn> a bios update may help with the sourd chipset issues
[13:04] <varaindemian56> tomreyn already on the latest update
[13:04] <tomreyn> which hardware and firmware version do you have there? journalctl -b | grep DMI:
[13:06] <varaindemian56> pastebin.com/REaaEe84
[13:07] <varaindemian56> tomreyn
[13:07] <varaindemian56> https://pastebin.com/REaaEe84
[13:08] <tomreyn> thanks, so:   DMI: Dell Inc. Precision 3551/033T3Y, BIOS 1.4.3 12/23/2020
[13:09] <varaindemian56> yes
[13:09] <tomreyn> and yes, that's the latest
[13:10] <tomreyn> varaindemian56: so other than those warnings during shutdown, is anything not working properly now?
[13:10] <varaindemian56> tomreyn nope
[13:10] <tomreyn> good to hear this! :)
[13:11] <varaindemian56> :)
[13:11] <varaindemian56> it just takes some for those messages t oapper and the nto shutdown
[13:11] <varaindemian56> like 30 sec
[13:13] <tomreyn> oh, that's a long time
[13:14] <tomreyn> varaindemian56: do you have more than just ubuntu installed on this system, do you also boot into windows?
[13:25] <varaindemian56> tomreyn just ubuntu 20.04
[13:30] <tomreyn> varaindemian56: this, followed by a reboot, may help:  echo 'options snd_hda_intel power_save=0' | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/snd_hda_intel.conf
[13:31] <tomreyn> varaindemian56: if it helps, after a second reboot, the errors during shutdown should be no longer present and the system should shutdown fast.
[13:31] <varaindemian56> tomreyn let me try this
[13:32] <tomreyn> varaindemian56: if it does not help, you can revert this change by removing the last line off file /etc/modprobe.d/snd_hda_intel.conf (needs sudo, e.g. run:  gedit admin:///etc/modprobe.d/snd_hda_intel.conf )
[13:33] <tomreyn> varaindemian56: i'll bbl, but you know how to set and revert it if needed.
[14:44] <varaindemian56> tomaw
[14:44] <varaindemian56> sorry ^
[14:44] <wez> hi
[14:44] <varaindemian56> tomreyn that really helped me!
[14:44] <varaindemian56> tomreyn can I send you karma? :D
[14:45] <varaindemian56> the second problem I have is thatI cannot use the sounds from the monitors I am atched to
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[16:11] <tomreyn> varaindemian56: on irc and irl, karma is both subjective and automatically added to and substracted from your account when you interact with the surroundings, or fail to do so. thanks for the offer, though. note: your system now consumes more power (saves less). (i suspect this is a result of a model specific mainboard firmware bug.) there is a chance that a future version update of the linux-firmware package (which includes the intel audio
[16:11] <tomreyn> chipset firmware) would fix / work around this.
[16:13] <tomreyn> varaindemian56: if you want to play sound through a hdmi or diplaylink adapter you may need to switch to the other sound card (included in the dedicated graphics card).
[16:38] <heap> hi, i am installing package and its rebuling agains the wrong /lib/modules/ dir
[16:39] <heap> any idea why, is that a package bug or system bug
[16:39] <heap> https://paste.debian.net/1201024/
[16:40] <JayDoubleu> I have a LVM raid5 created on three 8TB sata drives and only getting 167MB/s speeds is this normal ? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2W36oyds/
[16:43] <tomreyn> heap: this looks more like armbian than ubuntu
[16:43] <tomreyn> see /topic
[16:47] <lotuspsychje> JayDoubleu: could try a few other tests to compare? https://linuxhint.com/benchmark_hard_disks_linux/
[16:47] <heap> tomreyn: and is it possible to point where might be the issue?
[16:49] <lotuspsychje> heap: you could ask in #armbian
[16:50] <heap> lotuspsychje: its hard there...
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> i see you got in a tough situation there
[16:51] <tomreyn> heap: still OT here. again, please don't ask questions here which are, as topic and guidelines state, clearly off-topic.
[16:51] <heap> yes, so it might be package issue
[16:52] <heap> tomreyn: okay
[16:54] <tomreyn> JayDoubleu: i'd use fio for on-storage structrue performance tests instead. for dd, make sure you add conv=fdatasync,notrunc
[16:54] <tomreyn> you may also want a larger 'bs'
[16:56] <tomreyn> JayDoubleu: and raid5 is not really recommendable nowadays, unless you don't worry about loosing (having to restore from backup) the data
[16:57] <JayDoubleu> what would you use instead for 3 drives ?
[16:59] <tomreyn> i'd get another disk and do raid10. with 3 you can do raid6
[17:00] <tomreyn> err sorry, raid6 also needs 4 disks
[17:01] <JayDoubleu> this raid5 is what I want to use as backup essentially
[17:02] <tomreyn> see the blue box at https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/RAID#Standard_RAID_levels
[17:03] <tomreyn> loose one disk and you loose all backups
[17:04] <JayDoubleu> so looks like raid-z0 is the only hope
[17:04] <JayDoubleu> raid-z2
[17:09] <tomreyn> i'm not familiar with zfs raid implementations, but raid-z2 seems to mean parity data spun across two disks. which means a 66% (instead of 100% with raid-5) probability that a failed disk means all data is lost, if i'm calculating this right.
[17:11] <JayDoubleu> I'm not even sure if this "backup" is worth it. I'm only planning to use it for 8X 2TB nvmes in raid0 backupp
[17:11] <JayDoubleu> nvme failing is a bit unlikely but still probably less hassle to use different raid level for nvme's
[17:15] <z1haze> can ubuntu desktop do all of the same things as ubuntu server? I have a decent amount of leasing servers and vps using ubuntu server, but I have a raspberry pi i want to install the desktop os on, but i still want it to run like a server. is that okay?
[17:16] <JayDoubleu> z1haze: it's the same thing. desktop just has extra packages
[17:16] <z1haze> that's what i was hoping. so there's nothing in server that's not in desktop?
[17:17] <z1haze> thank you for this info
[17:19] <heap> tomreyn: but i thought that error is ubuntu specific; is there some ubuntu for arm channel?
[17:21] <tomreyn> heap: there's ubuntu-arm, for *Ubuntu* on ARM.
[17:22] <heap> ok thanks
[17:22] <JayDoubleu> you are booted to 5.10.34-sunxi kernel which doesnt have modules installed
[17:23] <heap> JayDoubleu: no i am booted to 5.4.88-sunxi and modules are in place, problem is that package is looking for different kernel version/modules
[17:23] <heap> and i dunno why;
[17:23] <heap> no clue if its package or distro issue
[17:23] <JayDoubleu> uname -r ?
[17:23] <heap> 5.4.88-sunxi
[17:24] <JayDoubleu> exactly, and this is what is missing `depmod: ERROR: could not open directory /lib/modules/5.10.34-sunxi`
[17:24] <JayDoubleu> you have missing kernel headers for this kernel
[17:24] <heap> yes; but i am building for 5.4.88-sunxi
[17:25] <tomreyn> JayDoubleu: since this is not about ubuntu, could you two agree to move elsewhere?
[17:25] <tomreyn> well, just this topic, you're welcome here, of course
[17:25] <JayDoubleu> and you are who exactly  ?
[17:26] <JayDoubleu> official mod ?
[17:26] <tomreyn> does it matter? this channel is for ubuntu support. this is not an ubuntu system.
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[17:28] <tomreyn> #linux can be a good place for this.
[17:30] <JayDoubleu> If it bothers you then dont read ?
[17:32] <tomreyn> i'm just asking you two nicely to stay on topic. heap has repeatedly ignored to be. i told heap again today. then you continued on the topic, hwich isn't helpful, so i told you, too.
[17:32] <tomreyn> JayDoubleu: ^
[17:33] <tomreyn> z1haze: server has some different default packages installed, but i think the ubuntu images for arm are actually server based.
[17:34] <z1haze> oh cool
[17:34] <tomreyn> z1haze: https://ubuntu.com/download/server/arm
[17:35] <tomreyn> z1haze: andf those for raspi specifically: https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi
[17:36] <heap> anyway i know its off the topic - sorry but fix is to remove  files from /boot regarding that 5.10. kernel ; thx
[17:37] <JayDoubleu> Probably better to aptget remove that kernel but ok
[17:37] <z1haze> yeap, i actually looked at these, but they are both server only. I ended up installing the 21.04 desktop. its writing the image right now
[17:38] <z1haze> 21.04 is still a good option, even though it isnt the LTS?
[17:39] <JayDoubleu> tomreyn: this issue might as well happened for non arm Ubuntu. You could probably use the same effort to help out another person instead of doing this whole Texas ranger thing but ok
[17:39] <tomreyn> z1haze: that's right, LTS releases are every two years, even years only (at least they were so far)
[17:42] <tomreyn> JayDoubleu: maybe you have not noticed that heap is running armbian and that's what this question is about. whether or not it might also apply to ubuntu system, which this is not. this is just OT here. and i'm not going to expain this more on this channel. pleeeease, just accept it.
[17:44] <JayDoubleu> tomreyn: which point here are you referring to ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines
[17:45] <JayDoubleu> I like this one "Ubuntu IRC channels welcome any help, but we do ask you to stay as helpful as possible."
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[17:47] <JayDoubleu> Your comments have not only been not helpful but you were trying to prevent others being helpful.
[17:47] <tomreyn> JayDoubleu: the channel /topic says "Ubuntu Support", I'm happy to explain in #ubuntu-ops if needed.
[17:54] <tomreyn> z1haze: so 21.04 has 9 months of support, see https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle for more info. you can also choose to install the 20.04 image and have 5 years of support (+ another 5 through !ESM, but this may not be available to those raspi images).
[17:54] <z1haze> yea i couldnt find a desktop 20.04
[17:54] <tomreyn> i assume you could also install a desktop on top of those 20.04 LTS images
[17:55] <z1haze> i read that but being novice i didnt want to risk messing up
[17:55] <tomreyn> you could always re-image and restart. but indeed, writing the image can take a while.
[17:56] <tomreyn> you could also consider one of the other flavours which may provide 20.04 desktop images
[17:56] <tomreyn> the gnome based desktop may be a bit taxing for a raspi anyways
[17:57] <VMGuy234> the dock's being slow (again)
[18:25] <z1haze> first time ever using ubuntu desktop here .. i have what appears to be a program switch open that i cannot figure out how to close.. when the mouse hovers over one of the open programs it puts a box around it with an x in the top right corner.. but double clicking, pressing escape, nothing is closing this menu i just want to get back to the normal desktop
[18:26] <lotuspsychje> z1haze: a program switch?
[18:27] <z1haze> i dont know what its called, never used this os before.. but yes, on my window. all open 'apps' are displaying in smaller versions which i can mouse over and it will outline them
[18:28] <z1haze> the only thing i can apparently do is drag the entire window vertically, like paging
[18:28] <z1haze> i guess i havent been missing too much by waiting to try a linux desktop
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> z1haze: could you make a screenshot of whats happening exactly, so volunteers can help you?
[18:28] <z1haze> not sure how to take a screenshot
[18:28] <lotuspsychje> print screen, then upload to imgur.com
[18:29] <z1haze> i cant get the browser to function.. i told you
[18:29] <z1haze> it just sits here in this 'app switcher' mode is all ican describe it with
[18:29] <kenyon> z1haze: click Activities again. That should take you out of the app switcher
[18:30] <z1haze> i see no activities button. i see text 'activities' in he top left of the screen. some app icons on the side, and then the show app apps icon at the bottom left
[18:30] <z1haze> clicking any of them does absolutely nothing
[18:31] <z1haze> for example firefox is open, however its not really 'open'
[18:31] <z1haze> i can hover over the window with the mouse, it places an outline around the window and gives a big orange x in the top right.
[18:31] <z1haze> i assume clicking that will close it, but id rather understand wtf is going on before i do that
[18:32] <tomreyn> z1haze: are you running ubuntu 20.04 with the default gnome based desktop on some (which?) hardware version raspberry pi there?
[18:32] <z1haze> its a pi4
[18:32] <kenyon> You’re just in the app switcher. Why you’re stuck though, don’t know.
[18:33] <z1haze> what key exits the app switch?
[18:33] <tomreyn> z1haze: normally, those preview / pop-up windows when you hover open apps on the dock would vinish after you moove the mouse away from them. chances are that the system is very busy due to the somewhat demanding desktop
[18:33] <kenyon> Escape normally would exit
[18:34] <z1haze> was able to logout with ctrl alt delete. will try to sign back in. i didnt know that the desktop version would bring this thing to a crawl
[18:34] <tomreyn> if you're referring to alt-tab app switching, that, too would normally exit automatically as soon as you stop holding down alt
[18:34] <z1haze> it has 4gb ddr4 memory
[18:35] <z1haze> i normally always go with the server install, but wanted to give the desktop a try
[18:35] <kenyon> Maybe you had a key get stuck
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> 4gb ram on a pi might get a bit laggy on a pi?
[18:36] <lotuspsychje> and gnome
[18:36] <z1haze> what is gnome?
[18:37] <Mekaneck> the desktop
[18:37] <z1haze> if worse comes to worse, can i convert this to just be headless or will i have to reinstall?
[18:37] <z1haze> or server, not sure if that is the correct term
[18:38] <kenyon> The install flavor you choose just selects different packages. You can simply remove the desktop package and then it’s a server.
[18:39] <kenyon> Or leave them, it doesn’t matter.
[18:39] <Mekaneck> <lotuspsychje> 4gb ram on a pi might get a bit laggy on a pi? -> Should work just fine
[18:40] <tomreyn> z1haze: here's a tutorial https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-install-ubuntu-desktop-on-raspberry-pi-4
[19:01] <Nokaji> Hi, I'm having issues with bluetooth. from what I can tell it works intermittently but only once after a reboot. It's a fairly new laptop and I've upgraded to 21.04 - I'm reading it could be due to upgrade or 'secure boot' being active
[19:06] <z1haze> tomreyn, i already have the ubuntu desktop installed on the pi though?
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[19:28] <ashkanani> hi to all
[19:54] <alzgh> Hi, I'm not sure it this is the appropriate place to ask this
[19:55] <Mekaneck> !ask | alzgh
[19:55] <ubottu> alzgh: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience
[19:55] <alzgh> I'm looking into learning systemctl and wanted to know if you know of some good resources for that
[19:56] <Mekaneck> maybe ask in #linux since it's not a ubuntu support question
[19:56] <alzgh> OK
[20:01] <tomreyn> z1haze: alright, it just seems like your's isn't working properly for some reason, based on the questions you asked. you could try to fix this, by inspecting logs and working out the errors you see there. but if i was setting this system up, i'd make sure i've installed based on the recommendations.
[20:02] <tomreyn> (maybe that's what you did, i don't know how exactly you installed.)
[20:02] <z1haze> i installed literally from the raspberry pi imager software, their licensed installations
[20:02] <tomreyn> alzgh: I disagree with Mekaneck there, systemd is the default service manager in ubuntu, so i think we should support it here. it has a lot of man pages, those could be a good start.
[20:02] <z1haze> i just ended up going back to the server installation. its fine
[20:03] <Mekaneck> tomreyn: my bad, thanks
[20:03] <tomreyn> :)
[20:04] <tgp1994> Hi everyone, I'm trying to configure DNS resolution on Ubuntu Server 20.04 and I'm hoping I can ask for some help. I'm running AdGuard Home in a container on this system, that I'd like to be the main resolver. I've verified that AGH is configured and resolving on its own. I've also mapped the ports
[20:04] <tgp1994> back to the host, and configured resolved on the h
[20:04] <tgp1994> ost to point to the AGH container. If I run resolvectl ubuntu.com, it works fine. But any other application on the system - such as nslookup - cannot resolve names. nslookup reports that it's getting a response from an unexpected source (127.0.0.1 instead of .53). I've disabled the stub listener in
[20:04] <tgp1994> the resolved stub config it's linked to) still lists the stub listener ip.
[20:04] <tgp1994> config, but for some reason /etc/resolv.conf (and
[20:04] <alzgh> hello tomreyn you probably don't remember that question about docker starting always from the other day where you linked me the pages for the --restart flag. I went to the bottom of it based on your hints and learned a looot on the way :D.
[20:05] <oerheks> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemdForUpstartUsers and some more https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-systemctl-to-manage-systemd-services-and-units
[20:05] <alzgh> so systemctl is a wrapper around systemd?
[20:06] <VMGuy234> Think so
[20:06] <tomreyn> alzgh: it's the primary utility for systemd service management
[20:06] <oerheks> no, systemctl may be used to introspect and control the state of the "systemd" system
[20:07] <bigpod> its basicly main control utility for systemd
[20:08] <tomreyn> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man1/systemctl.1.html
[20:09] <VMGuy234> For some reason the lock screen on my second monitor (external but set to be main) is black. It wasn't yesterday. Any idea why?
[20:09] <oerheks> sounds like powermanagment
[20:10] <tgp1994> Update: I think I've answered my own question. Apparently, the last step for disabling the resolved stub resolver is to delete or rename /etc/resolv.conf. Everything seems to be happy now.
[20:10] <tomreyn> hmm this 20.04 man page i just pointed to says "systemctl - command line utility to manage services without SystemD", whereas 18.04's says "systemctl - Control the systemd system and service manager", and they're provided by different packages.
[20:11] <VMGuy234> oerheks; It shows the time/password box just no background
[20:11] <VMGuy234> Like a regular lock screen but black background
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[20:37] <Kon> tomreyn: Doesn't surprise me. An unfortunate example is that debianutils have incomplete man pages compared to their GNU counterparts
[20:41] <Anna_> tomreyn: hello
[20:43] <tomreyn> Anna_: hello there.
[20:43] <Anna_> tomreyn: Do you remember me?
[20:44] <tomreyn> Kon: actually they (packages systemd and systemctl conflict, so that's sorted, just the online man pages are weird, with the universe packages' systemctl(1) overriding that of the main ones' (from package system))
[20:44] <tomreyn> Anna_: not precisely, i'm afraid.
[20:45] <tomreyn> Anna_: i do remember we talked, but forgot all the details
[20:45] <Anna_> tomreyn: I was the one with the broken monitor and the resolution issue. My problem is solved. Instead of "thank you", I'd like to inform you about what worked and what didn't work, so you will be able to be awesome for other people too with problems similar to mine. Interested?
[20:47] <tomreyn> Anna_: ah, i remember now. sure, if you can sum it up shortly, that'd be great.
[20:48] <Anna_> tomreyn: "ubuntu username and no password" didn't work for me to login on tty terminal of installer. Same with "guest" username. None of the suggested xrandr commands worked on regular terminal of installer either. Also, FN button doesn't do the trick in a case as this.
[20:48] <Anna_> tomreyn: What worked: The universal access mode. After I spent a week of googling and chatting, you were the only one who thought the solution is as simple as that! When I entered that mode I was seeing all options clearly, since the installer became textual. No need for server installation and mini iso and things like that. I could navigate through options, so no need for pressing buttons blindly either. I could see what your suggested procedure
[20:48] <Anna_> were trying to do. So I was able to test some things and see if I could simplify your procedure. It seems (a) in order to enter that mode, you can press any button, not just spacebar and (b) you don't have to delete the 3 dashes in the end of the prefixed command after F6. You can simply type the "video=LVDS-1:d" part right after esc from F6 menu. After the live session was loaded, I used the regular terminal [super+T] and "xrandr -s 800x600" and
[20:48] <Anna_> the normal, graphical installation was started from live session and done without any problem.
[20:49] <Anna_> tomreyn: That was a week ago. I only came back to say thank you and the others here and sorry if you had hard time with my unusual case.
[20:53] <tomreyn> Anna_: wow, that's great, i'm happy this worked out for you, and thanks for reporting back!
[20:54] <tomreyn> Anna_: had you also used the distrotest.org site to get an idea of what the options actually look like?
[20:57] <nuala4> i'd like to compile wiibafu but README is a lil bit too advanced for me. essentially i need qt 5.x, and they do `export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/qt/lib`. i wonder now if there might be a package for this and i dont have to fuzz around with a 'full qt' installation. `apt search qt` yields... a lot.
[21:03] <tomreyn> nuala4: if it's qt based and you don't already have qt libs installed (i.e. you have the default, gtk based gnome desktop), the you won't get around installing those libs to run wiibafu (unless you'd compile as much as possible statically, but then you'd still need to install all the qt build dependencies)
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[21:45] <cbreak> is there a way to get the ubuntu file manager program to use something like Mac OS column mode?
[21:45] <cbreak> or is there some alternative file manager that offers this conveniently?
[21:53] <Alabalistic_> cbreak: what is the mac way
[21:53] <Alabalistic_> do you have some screen capture
[21:54] <cbreak> it's the Next way too
[21:54] <Alabalistic_> I' m on plasma, what is your DE
[21:54] <cbreak> I'm on normal ubuntu
[21:54] <cbreak> so probably gnome
[21:55] <Alabalistic_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DX_gQTQLUZc
[21:55] <cbreak> column mode: a finder window shows several columns, where each column shows the contents of the directory that's selected in the column to the left. Basically the windows shows a slice of a tree level
[21:56] <Alabalistic_> If you like configs plasma is the way you can do whatewer you want
[21:56] <cbreak> I don't particularly care about the look
[21:56] <cbreak> but the feature
[21:57] <cbreak> https://i.stack.imgur.com/GiecU.jpg
[21:57] <Alabalistic_> https://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/mac-os-x-finder-column-view.JPG
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[21:58] <cbreak> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_columns, interesting
[22:00] <cbreak> the wiki says "ranger" supports it.
[22:00] <Alabalistic_> cbreak: at first glance I can't find something similar in plasmas Dolphin
[22:01] <cbreak> :(
[22:01] <cbreak> thanks for checking :)
[22:01] <cbreak> the wiki writes it was removed from dolphin :(
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[22:02] <Alabalistic_> OK then
[22:06] <cbreak> for some reason, this doesn't seem to be a common feature, even though it's clearly superior to all alternatives :(
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[22:33] <Sven_vB> For whatever reason, every time mongodb-compass successfully connects to localhost with no username and no password, a gnome-keyring creation wizard (/usr/libexec/gcr-prompter) opens a dialog to ask for password. is there a way to make gnome-keyring ignore these misguided attempts from mongodb-compass?
[22:33] <Sven_vB> using Ubuntu focal
[22:34] <cbreak> I like ranger.
[22:43] <cbreak> https://postimg.cc/mzqBq7b1 :D Miller columns on ubuntu
[22:56] <rjwiii-alt> ooga
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[23:26] <z1haze> is there a way to not have to change the default password when you first boot up ubuntu?
[23:28] <z1haze> nvm i think this is a raspberry pi thing. sorry about that
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