[00:33] <jbicha> My launchpad ID is jbicha . Please cloak me
[00:37] <sarnold> "my voice is my passport"
[00:37] <jbicha> I'm just trying to follow directions, lol
[00:37] <sarnold> :)
[00:39] <sarnold> jbicha: could you add an explicit 'libera' irc account on your http://launchpad.net/~/ irc page?
[00:40] <jbicha> I think it's there now
[00:40] <sarnold> I don'tr think there's a way for me to make sure that irc.ubuntu.com was added after freenode imploded
[00:40] <jbicha> right
[00:40] <sarnold> aha, it's there now
[00:40] <sarnold> thanks
[00:40] <sarnold> I wonder if I got served a stale cached version
[07:22]  * enyc meows at https://netsplit.de/networks/top10.php
[07:23]  * enyc thinks....  who funds libera.chat ?  Do large channel users like #ubuntu* sponsor them at all?
[07:24] <enyc> I wonder if any 'growing pains' / server overload might be an issue, etc...
[07:36] <Myrtti> enyc: universities, LUGs, hosting companies sponsor a server they physically have for the infrastructure
[07:37]  * enyc hrrms
[07:37] <Myrtti> the network itself can and freenode historically did survive years without money exchanging hands
[07:38] <enyc> Myrtti: that makes sense  just needs right people-cooperation etc
[07:38] <Myrtti> staff is unpaid volunteers
[07:38] <enyc> I imagine irc server load isn't that high compared to modern machines/networks etc
[07:38] <Myrtti> right
[07:38] <enyc> trouble is more reliability
[07:38] <enyc> don't want netsplits much 
[07:39] <Myrtti> memory usage is the bottleneck aiui
[07:39] <enyc> and, as you say, user problems, ops etc
[07:39] <enyc> freenode are having a lot of ''fun'' at the moment!
[07:43] <Myrtti> as for #ubuntu sponsoring... Ubuntu Code of conduct and the IRC guidelines worked together with the freenode catalyst and channel guidelines and, as a result, they kinda worked as a staff apprenticeship. the percentage of Ubuntu affiliated people in the staff is quite high
[07:43] <Unit193> Also the ability to take a good DoS.
[07:46] <Myrtti> what Canonical and companies do with their money to support the network, I do not know, and I doubt right now Libera is even accepting anything from companies, seeing how... erm. yes.
[07:46] <Myrtti> nevermind
[07:47] <Myrtti> if talking about straight up money, that os
[07:47] <Myrtti> is
[07:49] <Myrtti> of course Im not currently staff so I can't speak for them, but IMO best let the dust settle a little
[09:14] <enyc> Unit193: aah yes good point
[09:15]  * enyc meows Myrtti 
[09:15] <enyc> who was asking about any dhefault irc server in  clients rpovided by ubuntu LTS
[09:42] <ogra> enyc, irc.ubuntu.com points properly to libera ... IIRC all clients that have had ubuntu servers added only had irc.ubuntu.com set in their default config ...
[09:43] <ogra> enyc, i think many these 300 ppl on freenode are rather IRC proxies and such
[09:45] <Unit193> ogra: That was phased out because TLS verification.
[09:54] <ogra> Unit193, weird, i properly get
[09:54] <ogra> $ host irc.ubuntu.com
[09:54] <ogra> irc.ubuntu.com is an alias for irc.libera.chat.
[09:55] <Unit193> Right, but try connecting to irc.ubuntu.com with port 6697 and tell me if you get a TLS cert mismatch error? :)
[09:56] <ogra> ah, i use bip on a server ... (and that points to libera) ... 
[09:59] <enyc> ogra: and, which ubuntu-supplied irc clients provide  link to freenode by default?
[09:59] <enyc> post usage of irc.ubuntu.com etc
[10:00] <ogra> i dont think any we touched in the archive point to freenode directly 
[10:00] <ogra> they should all use irc.u.c
[10:01] <ogra> (all -> likely only quassel and hexchat/xchat, perhaps irssi, not sure about that one)
[10:03] <Unit193> Irssi says freenode.
[10:04] <Unit193> But that's a small welcome message if a user has never launched it before, not as noticable as one of the GUI clients.
[10:04] <ogra> ah, not a default config then
[10:05] <ogra> i know the hexchat ubuntu package defaults to irc.u.c when you do not configure it further
[10:07] <Unit193> https://sources.debian.org/src/hexchat/2.14.3-6/debian/default_servers/ubuntu/ ? :)
[10:08] <ogra> 13 Mar 2018 ??
[10:09] <ogra> someone seems to have a really wrong clock here 🙂
[10:10] <Unit193> https://sources.debian.org/src/smuxi/1.1-1/debian/patches/ubuntu_default_settings.patch/ that is lovely...
[10:27] <enyc> hrrm  .....  
[10:27] <enyc> irssi, weechat, xchat,   suggested to me
[10:27] <Unit193> xchat isn't really a thing.
[10:27] <ogra> yeah, thats hexchat
[10:28] <enyc> ok, which of those have a  default-freenode-link  in ubuntu-provided package?
[14:53] <enyc> Hrrm  apparently the hexchat  default channel list is *compiled into* hexchat
[14:54] <enyc> therefore, can ubuntu-irc team create relevant launchpad bug for this  ??
[14:54] <enyc> would be doing all ubuntu lts users a good service not to point them to freenode by default
[15:00] <Mekaneck> enyc: i don't think the IRC ops can but you can open a bug report on Launchpad for it
[15:00] <enyc> Mekaneck: presumably anybody (including an irc op) can create a bugreport
[15:01] <enyc> Mekaneck: but might look betetr if they did and exlpained important reasons
[15:01] <enyc> or at leas macked u for SRU
[15:01] <Mekaneck> you can too