[00:42] <BUSY> hello - i recently upgraded from 18.04 LTS beaver to 20.04 LTS fossa - some parts of the window manager (gnome?) don't appear quite right and alt-tab hotkeys are not set correctly - what's the best way to purge some of this configuration back to a 'clean install'
[00:46] <Ginalo> Hi, I need help. I keep having the following error when running update-initramfs:
[00:46] <Bashing-om> BUSY: A thought - how about ' apt show gnome-initial-setup '; look relevant ?
[00:46] <Ginalo> What should I do with this? https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/pYob0mGj/update-initramfs_output
[00:47] <Ginalo> This error showed up after installing Ubuntu Studio through an APT package.
[00:47] <BUSY> Bashing-om, will give it a shot - doesn't look like it can hurt
[00:50] <BUSY> hmm - actually, it looks like it wants me to create a new user
[00:50] <sarnold> Ginalo: what provided that : /etc/initramfs/post-update.d//zz-kernelstub file?
[00:50] <Bashing-om> BUSY: Ouch - I do not run gnome - so no 1st hand knowledge here.
[00:52] <Ginalo> sarnold: I have no idea, to be honest.
[00:52] <sarnold> Ginalo: pastebinit it?
[00:53] <Ginalo> sarnold: Okay, I'll get back after doing that.
[00:57] <tomreyn> 5.11.0-7614 doesn't seem to exist on ubuntu
[00:58] <Ginalo> tomreyn: Yeah. It doesn't make sense. Any idea on what I should do?
[00:59] <ice9> how to remove old kernels?
[00:59] <ice9> apt autoremove doesn't list them
[01:00] <tomreyn> Ginalo: do the pastebin
[01:01] <tomreyn> Ginalo: and tell us what this system is you're running
[01:01] <Ginalo> sarnold, tomreyn: Really sorry for not having an idea, but what should I pastebin?
[01:01] <oerheks> apt would remove them, after reboot
[01:01] <oerheks> so, no longer need to cleanup, ice9
[01:01] <oerheks> new policy
[01:01] <sarnold> Ginalo: /etc/initramfs/post-update.d//zz-kernelstub
[01:02] <sarnold> Ginalo: whatever that is feels buste
[01:02] <Ginalo> I'm running pop-os
[01:02] <sarnold> Ginalo: or whatever it's reading is busted
[01:02] <ice9> oerheks, i already rebooted but they are not getting removed by apt
[01:02] <sarnold> oh
[01:02] <sarnold> Ginalo: you'll have better luck talking with them, they'll probably know what this is
[01:03] <Ginalo> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/OM3ROhWS/paste-of-zz-kernelstub
[01:04] <sarnold> Ginalo: hah, cute. it just calls something else..
[01:05] <sarnold> Ginalo: yeah, talk to pop_os folks, that's your best bet
[01:08] <tomreyn> ice9: which ubuntu release is this? which architecture? is linux-generic (or linux-generic-hwe-*) installed?
[01:09] <ice9> tomreyn, 21.04 5.11.0-18-generic
[01:10] <tomreyn> apt list --installed linux-generic*
[01:11] <Bashing-om> !info linux-generic-hwe-20.04
[01:12] <ice9> tomreyn, https://bpa.st/EVFA
[01:12] <tomreyn> ice9: you have linux-generic-hwe-20.04 installed on hisuite? that's weird, how did that get installed?
[01:13] <tomreyn> *hirsute
[01:13] <ice9> tomreyn, i just installed ubuntu normally from the installer, i haven't configure anything manually; what is the hwe?
[01:14] <tomreyn> !hwe | ice9
[01:14] <tomreyn> it's for LTS release (latest LTS release is 20.94 LTS) only
[01:14] <tomreyn> anyways, purge that and install linux-image
[01:17] <tomreyn> * 20.04 LTS
[01:35] <tomreyn> ice9: did it help? you'd need to run   sudo apt update && sudo apt autoremove    again
[02:05] <Guest98> hello, are the software repos for 7.04 still online?
[02:07] <tomreyn> Guest98: you should not be running this version from year 2007. there's old-releases.ubuntu.com
[02:08] <Guest98> I have to for my software requirements (compiz fusion). I hope the software repos are still active.
[02:09] <tomreyn> Guest98: are you joking then?
[02:09] <Guest98> no, I am already downloading the iso but my question was if the software archives are still online
[02:09] <tomreyn> !7.04 | Guest98
[02:11] <Guest98> that doesn't really answer my question
[02:11] <Guest98> !eol
[02:11] <tomreyn> this release will have many, many unfixed vulnerabilities. the release is certainly not "active". i already pointed you to where old apt archives can be found.
[02:11] <tomreyn> "compiz" is still available in current ubuntu releases
[02:12] <Guest98> awesome. Thanks. Yes but it doesn't have any of the custom features compiz had in its heyday (such as cube desktop, fire, water, wobbly windows etc)
[02:13] <tomreyn> so you prefer nice looks over security. that's pretty close to insane, but you should make your own choices.
[02:14] <Guest98> it's gonna be in a vm
[02:14] <leftyfb> Guest98: compiz isn't a requirement, it's personal preference fluff that is outdated and unsupported
[02:15] <Guest98> you don't know what my requirements are
[02:15] <sarnold> wobbbbbbbly windows!
[02:16] <Miruku> Hi. I installed the vboxguest editions on ubuntu server but I still can't get bidirectional clipboard working. Any tips?
[02:16] <leftyfb> Guest98: if your "requirements" are for an OS that went unsupported 14 years ago, then they aren't valid requirements
[02:16] <Guest98> my requirements are to play with wobbly windows so your argument is invalid
[02:17] <Guest98> you can actually get them in 20.10 with gnome shell extensions but another one of my requirements is the fire tool
[02:19] <tomreyn> Miruku: i suppose you mean "additions", not "editions". those should ideally be the same version as the virutalbox version the host is running. and, unless you've installed that with ubuntu packages, you should seek support from virtualbox (probbaly their forums, though they also used to have an irc channel on freenode, which may have moved here, to libera)
[02:19] <tomreyn> the irc channel was #vbox
[02:20] <Miruku> Yeah, that's what I meant. I think I will just use superputty. But thank you! :)
[02:20] <tomreyn> Miruku: also, i would be surprised if their clipboard sharing does not depend on X.
[02:21] <Miruku> Yeah, I was reading that as well. Not really wanting to install x. Kind of defeats the purpose of my development environment. At that point I would just pay a few bucks to host in aws.
[02:53] <ice9> linux package name in ubuntu is linux-image? and is it named like that in debian too?
[03:02] <sarnold> N: Can't select versions from package 'linux-image' as it is purely virtual
[03:02] <sarnold> linux-image-generic depends upon whatever package is newest, eg:
[03:02] <sarnold> Depends: linux-image-5.4.0-74-generic, linux-modules-extra-5.4.0-74-generic, linux-firmware, intel-microcode, amd64-microcode
[03:03] <sarnold> this way apt can be taught to bring in new packages
[04:19] <kaleozhou> ..n
[04:30] <Bashing-om> poof as off to bed I go \o
[04:35] <trohrt> Anybody know where/who I would go to for support for Android Studio in snap store? I'm having an issue with AVD Manager not being able to locate adb, even when installed via Android Studio SDK Manager.  I manually added that directory to my $PATH and it still can't find it in Android Studio, even though I now have access to the command via shell. Sorry if this is the...
[04:35] <trohrt> ... wrong place. I'm not as familiar with snap as I'd like to be.
[06:10] <bittin> morning
[06:12] <Comrade> Herro
[06:44] <yevhenivanchenko> We have a request. This is about Ubuntu 20.04. There is a bug with dhcp in the package network-manager 1.22.10-1ubuntu2.2. This bug is described on redhat bugtracker - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1817788. Here you can see "error -113 dispatching events" in log. It seems the issue was resolved in network manager  1.22.12. Is it possible to update(or fix) the network-manager package in repository? It affects many users, I suppose.
[06:49] <guiverc> yevhenivanchenko, bug requests belong on a bug tracker; launchpad.net being Ubuntu's , but if you have the CVE you can check to see what releases have fixed or back-ported fixes
[06:54] <Chunkyz-RPi> Thanks tomreyn! going to try it out. :-D
[07:03] <yevhenivanchenko> it is not easy for me to create bug on launchpad. I though that it will be easier to write about it in the chat. As I know, the issue exist at least a few months and nobody fixed it.
[07:50] <wez> Hey, what's the command to uninstall snap?
[07:51] <Unit193> apt remove snapd  ?
[07:52] <wez> Will that break anything?
[07:52] <Unit193> Depends, have any important snaps installed?
[07:55] <wez> Unit193: I haven't installed any, just what comes out of the box with Ubuntu 20.04
[07:55] <Chunkyz-RPi> wez: check if snap is mounted with lsblk...
[07:56] <Chunkyz-RPi> you should see a mount if it is, if not... it's not installed. :-)
[07:56] <wez> Also, whose idea was it to install snap by default?
[07:56] <Chunkyz-RPi> canocial. (not sure if that's spelled correctly)
[07:56] <enyc> arj_: hrrm what sent you to freenode still out of interest?
[07:57] <enyc> arj_: a particular ubuntu irc package?
[07:57] <Unit193> Chunkyz-RPi: Canonical*
[07:58] <Chunkyz-RPi> Unit193: thanks. :-)
[07:58] <wez> Is Canonical open to input on what they should bundle in their OS?
[07:58] <Chunkyz-RPi> no lol
[08:00] <snhardin> i wish heh
[08:00] <wez> :(  I guess I'll go back to Debian then.
[08:01] <snhardin> I love Debian until I need a relatively up-to-date version of some software to use a new feature
[08:15] <enyc> snhardin: debian 11 and derivatives be out soonish
[08:15] <enyc> snhardin: some like 'rolling releases'
[08:15] <enyc> e.g. artix/arch  if nhey keep up to date
[08:16] <enyc> snhardin: often, you can 'backport' packages to your needed debian/ubuntu release
[08:17] <Mekaneck> snhardin: mind taking that conversation elsewhere please, it has nothing to do with ubuntu support.
[08:17] <Mekaneck> !ot
[08:17] <Mekaneck> enyc: too
[08:17] <Mekaneck> thanks ;)
[08:57] <ogra> wez, if you want a certain app added or replaced by a better one you can definitely start a discussion on discourse.ubuntu.com ...
[09:04] <wez> ogra: Thanks, I'll check it out.
[09:24] <pikaro> Hi! On Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS, looking at ip addr I see that my IPv6 address is autoconfigured as 2001:db8:dead:beef::/64. IOW, the server is receiving a prefix but not assigning itself an IP. why is that the case, and what is this configured "address" for? it doesn't seem to respond to all addresses under it which was my first guess. is it possible to just have it append its EUI-64? I wouldn't like to
[09:24] <pikaro> manually configure it as static - there's currently no Netplan file and this is a Docker server so the possibility of breaking something is high.
[09:32] <lotuspsychje> pikaro: you might wanna talk to the #ubuntu-server experts about that
[09:32] <pikaro> lotuspsychje: Thanks, will do!
[09:33] <Intelo> How can an ssd be checked in linux/ubuntu for errors? I get i/o errors on a luks encrypted disk. I reboot system and it works but get it again sometime later.  after error, I cannot access files on disk
[09:34] <tomreyn> Intelo: same as hdd's, !smart
[09:51] <Intelo> tomreyn smart?
[09:51] <Intelo> which drives are good? brand and size? (my needs are 2tb though). Also I heard m.2 is better like 5% more than normal ssd but I guess the portability of ssd is better as I can use a case and port ssd anywhere. Also plug it in a laptop (most laptops don't have m.2 )
[09:52] <Chunkyz-RPi> !smart | Intelo
[10:03] <tomreyn> Intelo: for hardware recommendations, try asking in ##hardware , while discussing how it'll be used / what the requirements are.
[10:34] <thecivvie> enyc thanks for the tip :)
[11:01] <enyc> thecivvie: uerr oh I probbably sent you to right network from somewhere
[11:01] <enyc> forget now ;p
[11:01] <thecivvie> LOL
[11:41] <rhys-the-davies> ubuntuonair community office hours starting in 20 minutes on Twitch and Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBhLEtS0jjU&ab_channel=UbuntuOnAir chat there or in #ubuntu-on-air :D
[12:00] <Chunkyz-RPi> !ot | rhys-the-davies
[12:00] <Chunkyz-RPi> not sure *what* that has to do with #ubuntu support rhys-the-davies......
[12:47] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:07] <dirtwash> nyone know how I reload networking to update netmask in ubuntu 16 without rebooting?
[13:08] <dirtwash> restarting network service doesnt work
[13:08] <Chunkyz-RPi> dirtwash: nm?
[13:08] <dirtwash> ubuntu server
[13:09] <Chunkyz-RPi> isn't 16 eol?
[13:09] <dirtwash> what does it matter
[13:09] <Chunkyz-RPi> no support...
[13:10] <ogra> well, paid support 🙂
[13:10] <Chunkyz-RPi> lol
[13:10] <dirtwash> i forgot ubuntu has a shitty community
[13:17] <rbasak> I knew how to do that four years ago. Now I'm not sure I'll get it wrong by accident and lead you into more trouble (eg. lose connectivity when adjusting remotely).
[13:18] <rbasak> We made it much better now. "sudo netplan apply". But I'm not sure that applies to 16.04 either.
[13:18] <leftyfb> rbasak: they left
[13:18] <BrianBlaze> dude is gone
[13:18] <rbasak> Ah :)
[13:18] <BrianBlaze> good riddance lol
[13:19] <gnitizen> honestly though i think ubuntu has one of the better communities
[13:21] <BrianBlaze> it would be someone who would come in and ask a question impatiently and then scream shitty community really get what they put in
[13:22] <BrianBlaze> wow I feel like my thoughts were not put into words properly there sorry lol
[13:23] <gnitizen> No I get you. I and you are very much right. I feel like whenever I have an issue with my machines/servers the UB community most of the time has an answer to my questions
[13:26] <ogra> rbasak, it would have been ifconfig down/up ... but he left too quickly
[13:34] <kyentei> ogra: Yep, and chaining that to reverting a backup if your config if ifconfig fails, because otherwise you'd have lost access to the box :-p
[13:35] <ogra> indeed
[13:37] <kyentei> Look at that, shitty community providing an answer even after the person has left. Oh well, perhaps they'll read the logs online ;-)
[13:48] <pjs> Anyone know of a ppa for neomutt? The latest on Ubuntu is several versions behind and there is an annoying bug I keep running into and I'd like to update
[13:54] <leftyfb> pjs: the latest release of ubuntu has the latest release of neomutt available in Debian
[13:55] <pjs> leftyfb: hrmm, I'm on Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS
[13:55] <pjs> latest version according to apt-cache is from 2019
[13:55] <leftyfb> ok, that one is a bit outdated. Not uch we can do there
[13:56]  * pjs nods
[13:56] <pjs> I'll build it, nbd
[13:57] <kyentei> pjs: you could try downloading the newer deb, and hope all the dependencies are met.
[13:57] <kyentei> pjs: https://packages.debian.org/testing/mail/neomutt
[13:57] <leftyfb> pjs: there's also the option of building and uploading a snap so others can take advantage
[13:59] <pjs> leftyfb: I completely removed snapd, not my thing ;)
[14:00] <pjs> kyentei: Wonder if anyone has had any issues doing that
[14:00] <leftyfb> pjs: yeah, I hate easily installing the latest release of packages on almost any distro as well
[14:07] <pjs> leftyfb: When the tradeoffs are yet another daemon, slower performance, a million mounts, etc. I agree 100%
[14:33] <mrtrousers> Hello.. Im so confused. What happened with freenode? Is that the new freenode?
[14:33] <user217_> Hello. I get 'stegsolve' running before I try to run most of my apps. Is anyway to fix this ?
[14:34] <leftyfb> mrtrousers: feel free to chat about freenode in #freenode or actually, #libera for a more civilized conversation. This channel is the official support IRC channel for Ubuntu
[14:35] <mrtrousers> leftyfb well, well thanks for the advice, but.. You must know what happened as your channel was hosted in freenode until recently, right?
[14:35] <mrtrousers> I just come ask here cuz is my main channel in irc, lulz..
[14:35] <mrtrousers> Ill go ask in those channels as you suggested though..
[15:01] <user217_> Hello. I get 'stegsolve' running before I try to run most of my apps. Is anyway to fix this ?
[15:01] <leftyfb> user217_: what version of ubuntu?
[15:02] <user217_> leftyfb: 20.04
[15:02] <leftyfb> user217_: cat /etc/os-release | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:03] <user217_> @leftyfb https://termbin.com/5ss1
[15:04] <leftyfb> user217_: stegsolve is not a supported application in ubuntu. Feel free to remove it
[15:17] <tobtoht-> Hi, quick question: Do old package revisions ever get removed from archive.ubuntu.com ?
[15:18] <mort> when I hit the sleep button on my computer, if Discord is running, the computer refuses to go to sleep
[15:18] <oerheks> tobtoht-, old versions stay, afaik .. see example gedit https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+source/gedit
[15:19] <mort> I feel like no software should be able to prevent a sleep that's triggered through physically pushing the sleep button, but a confined snap should be *especially* unable to do that
[15:21] <oerheks> mort, talk to the developers, discord is a proprietary binairy blob;  https://snapcraft.io/discord
[15:21] <mort> oerheks: but discord is irrelevant, it's a bug that a program is able to prevent sleep like that
[15:24] <oerheks> mort check out software > installed > discord > permissions
[15:25] <mort> it has play audio, browser-support, use camera, gsettings read access, home folder file access, network access, opengl access, plau and record sound access, and prevent screen sleep/lock
[15:26] <oerheks> great, you found the setting
[15:26] <mort> but "prevent screen sleep/lock" surely is just meant to prevent going to sleep after some number of minutes?
[15:26] <oerheks> .. try it
[15:26] <ice9> sometimes when the i try to unlock the screen after no activity, i find that ubuntu 21.04 has freezed and I have to hard reset, any idea?
[15:28] <oerheks>  
[15:28] <mort> weird, even after opening discord again just now, still having that permission, it doesn't affect sleep
[15:29] <src> ice9: if you use wayland, start with xorg (it's an alternative, you can set it from the login screen)
[15:29] <mort> why is there one "play audio" permission, one "record audio" setting and one "play and record sound" setting
[15:29] <tobtoht-> oerheks: excellent, thanks
[15:30] <ogra> mort, the combined one is deprecated but still there because older snaps might still use it ... the curse of eternal backwards compatibility that snaps bring along
[15:30] <ice9> src, i'm using xorg already
[15:31] <src> ice9: then I'm afraid I don't know what's causing it
[15:32] <ogra> mort, if you are disabling screen-inhibit-control in discord and you still can not suspend you should open a topic on forum.snapcraft.io, disconnecting that iterface shuld clearly allow you to suspend
[15:34] <ogra> mort, also ... there is the #snappy channel for snap questions 😉
[15:34] <mort> ogra: isn't it a weirdly designed experience in general that I can hit the sleep button on my keyboard, see my screens turn off and lights on my keyboard turn off, and then everything turns back on a few seconds later and I'm at a login screen?
[15:34] <ravanan> Hey, I'm trying to open gnome-terminal in tty3 by running 'startx gnome-terminal', without a window manager, but instead the applications is opened on my graphical console (Ctrl-Alt-F2). Why is this happening?
[15:35] <mort> even if a program should be able to prevent my sleep button from working, surely that's not the way it's supposed to look?
[15:35] <goddard> can i stop gnome shell from changing my displays and resizing all my windows if a display powers off?
[15:35] <oerheks> mort, you found the option, it is by design to prevent sleep.
[15:35] <ogra> mort, well, i didnt implement that interface ... but i'm happy that vlc keeps ny system alive while watching a video ... and that zoom does while in a conference
[15:36] <mort> ogra: I get preventing the auto lock/sleep due to inactivity, I don't get preventing the sleep button from working, and I especially don't get preventing the sleep button from working in the manner it currently does
[15:36] <ogra> mort, as i said, post on forum.snapcraft.io to get it changed or to learn why it is as it is
[15:37] <ogra> (i'm using snaps ince plenty of years and have actually never had issues with the sleep button, even when using the ones that use that interface ... perhaps discord does something special over i.e. zoom or vlc)
[15:39] <mort> I just checked my journal, and, well, https://p.mort.coffee/8vQ
[15:39] <ogra> the interface only allows the apps to access the bits of the system ... it does not rule how these system resources are used (an app could forcefully ping a wakeup event every second or just monitor if your screen wants to sleep and then send a ping=
[15:39] <ogra> looks like some gnome-shell thing
[15:40] <mort> it looks like gnome-shell/apparmor preventing discord from accessing /proc/self/maps and discord retrying in a hot loop
[15:40] <mort> weird to prevent access to /proc/self, that seems like it'd break a bunch of programs with no security benefits
[15:41] <ogra> well, these "gnome-shell: Sandbox" messages have nothing to do with snaps
[15:41] <ogra> looks like a gnome-shell bug to me
[15:41] <oerheks> mort, what is your issue now?
[15:41] <mort> I don't know what the relationship between gnome-shell and apparmor is
[15:42] <ogra> well, your log shows there is none
[15:42] <ogra> no idea where that "Sandbox" message comes from, it is definitely unrelated to snaps
[15:45] <mort> I'm not really comfortable using a system which spams the log with a ton of permission errors every second
[15:46] <tomreyn> i think you get those messages when you run DRM "protected" stuff (widevine) in Firefox. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1948331
[15:46] <mort> you seem to be right, closing my music tab made gnome-shell stop spamming
[15:48] <mort> that begs the question, wtf is the widevine blob doing with /proc/self/maps
[15:49] <mort> anyways, not related to ubuntu then
[15:50] <tomreyn> i guess the log spam is, this should get rate limited or something.
[15:50] <ravanan> (insert Bernie saying I'm once again asking) Hey, I'm trying to open gnome-terminal in tty3 by running 'startx gnome-terminal', without a window manager, but instead the application is opened on my graphical console (Ctrl-Alt-F2). Why is this happening?
[15:51] <mort> tomreyn: yeah, some kind of feature where it prints the first message and then "[omitted 1337 identical denials]" would be neat
[15:52] <mort> at least dedupe denials happening within the same second
[15:53] <tomreyn> mort: would you please file a bug then?
[15:58] <mort> well, with widevine rummaging through the browser's memory maps and discord pthread probing random applications it's a good thing we have sandboxes eh
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> ravanan: startx is not really the way to go anymore, and why do you want a GUI terminal from inside a tty?
[16:05] <ogra> mort, well, if discourse used the system-observe interface (check with "snap connections discord" if it has that plug defined) it would be quiet 🙂
[16:06] <ogra> not sure if it is actually harmful what it tries to do
[16:06] <mort> allegedly it's just to automatically enter streaming mode if you start OBS or something like that
[16:07] <user217_____> @leftyfb: the problem is that I cant remove 'stegsolve' becouse I cant found any binary file that can run it
[16:07] <mort> but I don't really want my chat application to ptrace all my other applications, *especially* not when it's closed source, so I'm happy that apparmor is blocking it
[16:07] <leftyfb> user217_____: that would have been something you installed manually. It's not available in the ubuntu repos. Maybe look for CTF applications you installed
[16:07] <user217_____> also, I dont see any process that run it in 'top'/'htop'
[16:08] <leftyfb> user217_____: have you tried messing with "hacking" tools at all?
[16:09] <leftyfb> user217_____: if not, then your only option would be to wipe your system, reinstall ubuntu and restore your files from backup
[16:10] <leftyfb> user217_____: and be more careful about opening up your system/ports to the internet
[16:12] <user217_____> leftyfb: yep, I try to play with "hacking tools" but now stuck with removing this tools
[16:12] <leftyfb> user217_____: you shouldn't be messing with such tools unless you know what you are doing
[16:12] <ogra> user217_____, this is what $DIETY created VMs for 😉
[16:12] <user217_____> I found the way how to run it now: ls -la /proc/919602/exe
[16:13] <user217_____> but still cant found binary
[16:13] <user217_____> that run it
[16:13] <Alabalistic> which # did you try it
[16:14] <user217_____> o noo :( looks like my 'ls' just broken and run 'stegsolve' now intead of do it work :(
[16:15] <leftyfb> user217_____: reinstall your system. There's no telling what sort of mess has been created with random tools installed without fully understanding what they do or the system they're installed on
[16:17] <user217_____> leftyfb: bad idea for me
[16:17] <mort> what does `echo $PATH` say
[16:20] <leftyfb> user217_____: bad idea? You've been messing with hacking tools on a system that is deemed critical and/or no backups?
[16:21] <mort> I'm 50/50 on "user217_____ accidentally 'hacked' themselves with their hacking tools" and "user217_____ downloaded a trojan meant to target script kiddies"
[16:22] <leftyfb> oh, I'm 90/10 on that
[16:22] <goddard> whats the deal when trying to get a script work on linux and mac
[16:22] <goddard> it works perfectly on linux but mac is complaining
[16:22] <leftyfb> goddard: maybe try #mac?
[16:22] <user217_____> @mort https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rQyNN8yjS7/
[16:22] <mort> well there are differences between linux and mac, to get a script to work on both you have to use their common subset
[16:23] <src> goddard: different shell, different bash version? and not something for this channel I guess
[16:23] <src> slightly different tools etc
[16:23] <src> depends on the script really
[16:24] <user217_____> @mort looks like in any of this locations there is no 'stegsolve' binary https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/qjHs8p5TVJ/
[16:25] <mort> user217_____: you say that running `ls` runs stegsolve..?
[16:25] <user217_____> @mort yep. A few more apps
[16:25] <mort> what
[16:26] <src> let this be a lesson kids, stay safe, use condoms
[16:27] <mort> user217_____: what is the actual problem you have experiencing? Describe what you do, what the expected result would be, and what the actual result is
[16:29] <user217_____> @mort this is how "ls -l" command looks like in "htop" https://itmages.su/images/2021/06/17/88d27a8d9ce94faccd14ede618424fc7.png
[16:31] <leftyfb> user217_____: powerpc64?
[16:31] <leftyfb> user217_____: this is an old mac?
[16:32] <user217_____> @mort:  for exaple: I want to run "ls -la" and expect to see list of files in my current folder. But get runing "stegsolve" app - as result
[16:32] <user217_____> @leftyfb nope. Acer with ubuntu 20.04 on it
[16:33] <mort> user217_____: can you run `env`, censor any keys or sensitive data you may have there, and pastebin it
[16:34] <src> isn't the solution obviously to boot from a sysresccd, carefully back up most important files, and wipe the damn system?
[16:34] <ogra> yes
[16:34] <mort> yea that'd probably be the best way to go, this seems completely fucked
[16:35] <mort> how the hell do you end up in a situation where your commands are prefixed with `/usr/lib/x86_64-kfreebsd-gnu/jni:/usr/lib/powerpc64-linux-gnu/jni:<...> -jar`
[16:35] <mort> is that even legal shell syntax?
[16:36] <src> how do you debug this, how do you clean up this system reliably, and then how are you sure it's really clean
[16:36] <src> carefully back up stuff if you need to and do a clean install
[16:36] <ogra> thats debians multiarch stuff for kfreebsd i guess
[16:36] <src> and learn a lesson
[16:36] <user217_____> @mort https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gvNdrhyZpn/
[16:37] <leftyfb> user217_____: re-install and restore from backup
[16:38] <user217_____> @leftyfb may be someone is interested to go deepre in this :)
[16:38] <src> I doubt it :D
[16:40] <user217_____> anyway, next step should be - question on ask.ubuntu
[16:41] <ogra> not really
[16:41] <user217_____> but, first - should try my luck here
[16:41] <ogra> just wipe it
[16:41] <ogra> you will likely not get other answers on askubuntu and just bind supporter resurces
[16:41] <leftyfb> user217_____: even if you get passed this one particular issue, I can guarantee you you have other issues
[16:42] <ogra> yeah
[16:42] <user217_____> @leftyfb everybody, for shure, have a some issues time to time
[16:42] <leftyfb> user217_____: not usually like this. You have a huge mess
[16:42] <ogra> reinstall freshly ... and use VMs for such experiments in the future
[16:43] <src> user217_____: you botched your install playing around with hacking tools up to a point where $ ls doesn't work and you don't know what the damn thing even did, how can you recover this install up to a point where it can be trusted to be reliable without restoring from backup or wiping it clean?
[16:44] <src> user217_____: writing up your issue / issues, what exactly you did, getting all of the right logs and so forth will be more work than backing up and installing fresh
[16:44] <src> you're free to do what you want, but don't say you haven't been told. Not sure why you are trying to needlessly drag this any further
[16:46] <user217_____> it should be my plan "B"
[16:46] <leftyfb> user217_____: reinstall. That is your option. Good luck
[16:48] <oerheks> leftyfb +1
[16:52] <user217_____> This is the easiest way. But there is also some logic that run 'stegsolve' and I want to found it.
[16:56] <leftyfb> user217_____: good luck. It's beyond the scope of this channel
[17:00] <jamea97> hi all
[17:00] <lotuspsychje> welcome jamea97
[17:00] <jamea97> downloaded visual studio .deb
[17:00] <jamea97> and isntalled where is?
[17:01] <oerheks> we don't support manual downloads, use the snap version, you would get updates https://snapcraft.io/code
[17:01] <jamea97> ok
[17:02] <jamea97> i am downloaded from official site of visual code
[17:02] <jamea97> ok https://snapcraft.io/code downloading
[17:03] <jamea97> arghh installed snap: apt install snap..
[17:03] <jamea97> now: sudo snap install code --classic
[17:04] <jamea97> sudo snap command not found :(
[17:04] <oerheks> interesting, on what linux version are you?
[17:04] <oerheks> mint, hahaha , blocks snaps
[17:04] <jamea97> checking
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> some flavours dont have snap by default neither
[17:05] <oerheks> find the mint channel?
[17:05] <jamea97> not sure if mint
[17:05] <oerheks> i am sure it is not ubuntu
[17:06] <src> jamea97: you can get vscode on ubuntu via three ways, -) manual installation, -) snap, -) using the ms repos
[17:06] <src> jamea97: having problem with the first and second, maybe the third is the way to go
[17:07] <jamea97> ubuntu 18.04.5
[17:07] <src> jamea97: but you should at least know what OS you're actually running
[17:07] <jamea97> old version?
[17:08] <tomreyn> !18.04
[17:08] <jamea97> yes, then is buntu :)
[17:08] <jamea97> *ubuntu
[17:08] <src> jamea97: do you plan to do dev work?
[17:09] <Chunkyz-RPi> having difficulty trying to get sway working, here's some logs: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rBrx66jnTG/
[17:09] <jamea97> not, only compilation
[17:09] <src> everything will be outdated, all packages, language versions, libraries et cetera, while still being supported it will cause problems
[17:09] <src> I would consider upgrading
[17:09] <src> jamea97: also see my above messages about your options in installing vscode
[17:09] <jamea97> this machine is configured, hard to configure, python android, so so for compile
[17:11] <jamea97> found error:
[17:11] <jamea97> sudo apt install snap
[17:12] <tomreyn> found error: user failed to excplain what the error is.
[17:13] <jamea97> would be:
[17:13] <jamea97> sudo apt install snapd
[17:13] <jamea97> wich is better: sudo snap install code --classic   or sudo snap install core   ?
[17:14] <oerheks> i do not see core as an option for visual studio
[17:15] <jamea97> ok thanks
[17:20] <jamea97> src consider upgrading? my ubuntu? is possible with a commnand line?
[17:22] <src> jamea97: if vscode works and your setup works feel free to stick with it
[17:22] <src> I personally would prefer a newer version but it would mean backing up your system before, can't promise that everything will go smoothly
[17:23] <src> and it will be somewhat involved, if interested you should search online
[17:28] <jamea97> https://paste.debian.net/1201550
[17:28] <jamea97> how to execute i dont see in desktop or any menu option
[17:33] <src> jamea97: $ code
[17:33] <src> should start it
[17:34] <src> it should have created a menu entry though as well (not sure about snap on 18.04, don't know what de/wm you're running)
[17:34] <src> maybe you can create one yourself, you can check where the program is with $ which code
[17:35] <jamea97> worked command code
[17:37] <alzgh> kde opens your terminals wherever you left them after restart
[17:37] <alzgh> can also split terminals vert and hor
[17:38] <Chunkyz-RPi> as well as sway not working, I can't get GDM3 to work too. it just show a grey screen and a white little box (I'm presuming it's my mouse) anyone have any ideas?
[17:38] <jamea97> src thanks
[17:38] <src> jamea97: have fun coding
[17:38] <src> :)
[17:39] <jamea97> you are dev?
[17:39] <src> I dabble
[17:42] <ogra> jamea97, if you just freshly installed snapd you should log out and back in again, else icons for newly installed snaps will not show up
[17:42] <src> ogra: oh nice, so that's the cause
[17:42] <ogra> yep
[17:43] <ogra> snapd extends XDG_DATA_DIRS ... thats only set at login time
[17:45] <jamea97> need relogin?
[17:45] <Chunkyz-RPi> I also installed gd3m, IT NEVER gets enabled after a restart even though I enabled the service!!
[17:46] <src> jamea97: need to log in again for vscode icon to show up in menu
[17:46] <Chunkyz-RPi> some more logs of sway https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/rBrx66jnTG/
[17:46] <Chunkyz-RPi> anyone know what's causing it? I EVEN installed ubuntu-desktop...
[17:48] <src> I can't really help but is there any reason you need wayland over xorg?
[17:48] <src> wayland still has issues
[17:48] <Chunkyz-RPi> just want to try sway tbh.
[17:48] <src> I had to search for it since I didn't know it
[17:49] <src> but since it's a drop in replacement for i3, you could just try i3 on xorg?
[17:49] <src> if that actually works
[17:49] <ogra> Chunkyz-RPi, you should really switch to 20.10 if you want to run any ubuntu desktop on a Pi ... there is a reason we did not release a desktop image in 20.04 (the underlying system simply was not ready)
[17:50] <jamea97> yesssssssssssssssssssssssss
[17:50] <jamea97> help me with snap for install notepad++
[17:50] <jamea97> pls
[17:51] <src> jamea97: you should really learn some basic things about your system
[17:51] <src> jamea97: $ man snap
[17:51] <src> tells you what commands do work with snap
[17:51] <ogra> or just "snap" and hit enter
[17:51] <src> you then can use search, list, install at will
[17:52] <ogra> (i guess that is actually more informative tan the manpage)
[17:52] <src> jamea97: it's not viable to ask for help for every single installation
[17:53] <alzgh> reading man pages is not easy for beginners, I'm just starting be able to extract information from them
[17:53] <alzgh> a useful tool that may help you work with commands is `tldr`
[17:53] <jamea97> src :( thanks
[17:53] <jamea97> reading man snap
[17:54] <alzgh> just type `tldr command` and it will gives the most common example usages for that command
[17:54] <src> alzgh: tldr is not installed on my system for example
[17:54] <src> man pages are universal to POSIX systems
[17:54] <alzgh> it's not, you need to install it
[17:54] <src> and sorry, if reading man pages if something that can not be demanded from new users, I'm really at a loss
[17:55] <src> plus the snap man page is really clean
[17:55] <alzgh> man pages are always better, I fully agree. src
[17:55] <alzgh> my comment wasn't directed at your instructions
[17:55] <alzgh> you are right to ask people to read man pages
[17:55] <src> I just don't agree with "man pages are too complicated for new users"
[17:56] <src> and they shouldn't be expected to make an effort reading them
[18:06] <rneese> hey guys having a issue with the falkon browser pkg
[18:06] <rneese> it seeks not to keep bookmarks or settings
[18:07] <rneese> every time you start it its like a first time run
[18:09] <src> rneese: that seems like an issue of that package or your browser, not ubuntu
[18:09] <src> rneese: sorry, I thought you meant extension / add-on .. didn't know what falkon was, I jumped the gun there
[18:10] <nhasian> what is the service name for the remote desktop that is built into Ubuntu (Gnome)? I want to verify that it is running or to restart it as I'm unable to connect with a VNC client
[18:10] <rneese> falkon is a web browser pkg
[18:10] <leftyfb> nhasian: I think it's vino.
[18:13] <oerheks> falkon from the snap store?
[18:13] <oerheks> check out software > installed > falkon > permissions
[18:14] <rneese> no falkon from ubuntu pkgs
[18:14] <rneese> not a snap pkg
[18:14] <oerheks> oh, then you are on your own
[18:14] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/install/falkon/ubuntu
[18:16] <oerheks> image of snap settings > https://imgur.com/gallery/nYLuTtr
[18:21] <rneese> ok
[18:22] <alzgh> what is the benefit of ascii armoring gpg keys?
[18:25] <tomreyn> alzgh: it creates printable output for what is originally binary data, similar to base64 encoding would.
[18:26] <alzgh> Ahh, so it helps in say transportation over email as plain text versus an attachment etc.
[18:26] <alzgh> Thanks tomreyn
[18:27] <tomreyn> right, you're welcome
[18:35] <alzgh> `sudo install -o root -g root -m 644 repo_key.gpg /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/` is this a correct way to add a third party key to apt? I'm asking bc I read something against using apt-key and that it would grant access to the third party key holder to modify all repositories and not only its own.
[18:38] <Chunkyz-RPi> ogra: I tried 21.04, same thing happens
[18:39] <ogra> Chunkyz-RPi, unmdified with the ubuntu kernel ? (note that 21.04 uses wayland by default already)
[18:40] <Chunkyz-RPi> Huh?
[18:40] <Chunkyz-RPi> And I know 21.04 is default Wayland
[18:47] <ogra> Chunkyz-RPi, i was just mentioning the kernel because your log showed some weirdo non-ubuntu kernel ... there has been quite some work put in between canonical and the pi foundation to make the kernel as perfect as possible particulary with the graphics drivers ... i'd not use some third party thing there to get the full performance
[18:48] <Chunkyz-RPi> ogra: 5.11 is eol, I was using the rpi foundation kernel.
[18:48] <ogra> huh ?
[18:49] <Chunkyz-RPi> What you huhing?
[18:49] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hirsute/+source/linux-raspi doesnt looke very EOL to me ... and its definitely supported fr the lifetime of 21.10
[18:50] <ogra> *and has been worked o and tested with the 21.10 userspace for 6 months
[18:50] <Chunkyz-RPi> Kernel.org = 5.11 eol.
[18:50] <ogra> and ?
[18:50] <ogra> why would that matter for anything
[18:50]  * Chunkyz-RPi closes irc.
[18:51] <ogra> the kernel in ubuntu has been developed, patched and tested particulary for this distro and release
[18:51] <ogra> and is supported for the lifetime of the release
[18:51] <ogra> your sway log showed graphics driver issues ... and you run some non-std kernel
[18:52] <ogra> (which is most likely the cause of your sway issues)
[18:54] <alzgh> so just learned that adding keys to `/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d` is like doing `apt-key` and will give them unconditional access to change packages of all repositories
[18:55] <ogra> not really
[18:55] <ogra> these keys are used to verify the signatures of the repositories
[18:56] <ogra> you can not change the remote server contents 🙂
[18:57] <alzgh> not remote server contents, the contents of the packages that I have installed from those repositories
[18:58] <ogra> alzgh, well, they are used to verify these package archives, but indeed if you install third party packages you give the package maintainer root access to your system ... keep that in mind when adding third party repos
[18:58] <ogra> but thats not realted to the gpg keys
[18:58] <src> alzgh: keys are keys, by themselves they don't really do
[18:58] <src> they are used for verifying the repos, downloading from untrusted repos is an issue
[18:59] <src> so you should only add repos to sources you trust
[19:00] <alzgh> I have a pgp file, instead of gpg
[19:00] <alzgh> how would I add it?
[19:00] <alzgh> I copied it to /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d
[19:00] <ogra> to apt ?
[19:01] <ogra> why would you do that ?
[19:01] <alzgh> what should I do?
[19:01] <ogra> the keys are used to verify repository servers ... like arhive.ubuntu.com
[19:01] <ogra> *archive
[19:02] <ogra> why woudl you copy your own key there ?
[19:02] <alzgh> it's not my own key
[19:02] <alzgh> I'm trying to add the key of a third party repo to apt
[19:02] <ogra> ah, and there were no instructions for that at that repo ?
[19:02] <ogra> usualy there are
[19:03] <alzgh> it's weechat I'm trying to install on Ubuntu focal
[19:03] <alzgh> https://weechat.org/download/debian/
[19:03] <alzgh> ` sudo apt-key adv --keyserver hkps://keys.openpgp.org --recv-keys 11E9DE8848F2B65222AA75B8D1820DB22A11534E`
[19:03] <alzgh> This returns an error by the openpgp.org server
[19:04] <alzgh> so I went over to install their gpg key that's advertised also there
[19:04] <alzgh> It's in pgp format
[19:05] <ogra> alzgh, the apt-key command works fine here
[19:05] <ogra> just tried it
[19:05] <alzgh> I knew from before that I can copy gpg files to `/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d`
[19:06] <alzgh> does it use anything other than 80 and 443?
[19:06] <alzgh> let's try it again
[19:06] <alzgh> maybe was temporary
[19:08] <alzgh> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wdQQHZvJ3B/
[19:08] <alzgh> doesn't work on my end
[19:08] <ogra> very weird
[19:09] <alzgh> it may be bc of my network
[19:09] <alzgh> anyway, I wanted to install the pgp file that they provide
[19:09] <ogra> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/wD9P3DqzFw/
[19:10] <ogra> (sorry, all german)
[19:10] <alzgh> dw, Ich weiss deutsch
[19:10] <ogra> https://askubuntu.com/questions/291035/how-to-add-a-gpg-key-to-the-apt-sources-keyring
[19:10] <ogra> that might help
[19:11] <sarnold> alzgh: maybe just curl it down into a file named foo.asc? https://keys.openpgp.org/vks/v1/by-fingerprint/11E9DE8848F2B65222AA75B8D1820DB22A11534E
[19:11] <oerheks> that key worked here, on bionic
[19:11] <alzgh> good idea @sarno
[19:11] <alzgh> I'm new to this stuff have learned a lot this past hour
[19:12] <alzgh> have 2 options now: use asc, convert pgp to gpg and install
[19:12] <alzgh> gonna test both for learning puposes
[19:12] <alzgh> thank you guys
[19:13] <oerheks> weird
[19:13] <ogra> alzgh, wget -qO - https://weechat.org/dev/info/debian_repository_signing_key/ | sudo apt-key add -
[19:14] <ogra> should work as well ...
[19:42] <bundtcake> Should I enable or disable in the bios WSMT (Windows SMM Security Mitigation Table)?
[19:47] <oerheks> bundtcake, no clue about that.. i think it is a windows thing only?
[19:47] <leftyfb> bundtcake: disable i
[19:47] <leftyfb> it
[19:48] <Xavierdarkness>  
[20:09] <hepku> I've spun up a vm (4.19.182) inside my ubuntu machine (4.15.0-142-generic). I want to load up a kernel module (net.ipv4.moduleName) inside the vm but the kernel module isn't showing up inside the vm. I'm able to modprobe and load up the module in the host though.
[20:12] <tomreyn> hepku: sounds like a shortcoming / problem with your guest system
[20:14] <oerheks> 4.19.182 on Disco?
[20:14] <hepku> Yeah, it is a vm created by minikube, a kubernetes based local cluster orchestrator.
[20:14] <hepku> This is what the docs say about the guest vm: The minikube ISO is booted by each hypervisor to provide a stable minimal Linux environment to start Kubernetes from. It is based on coreboot, uses systemd, and includes all necessary container runtimes and hypervisor guest drivers.
[20:14] <oerheks> oh, important information
[20:15] <oerheks> kubernetes
[20:15] <hepku> tomreyn So I guess that the problem is the ISO does not get built with the kernel module I want?
[20:15] <hepku> I was following along here so I could build my own custom ISO with the kernel module: https://minikube.sigs.k8s.io/docs/contrib/building/iso/
[20:16] <tomreyn> hepku: "The minikube ISO" ... "It is based on coreboot" -> this is where you should seek support
[20:16] <hepku> But after I did that and used that ISO instead, once I ssh into minikube vm, it still does not have the modules.
[20:16] <sarnold> hepku: what problem exactly are you trying to solve?
[20:16] <tomreyn> this channel supports Ubuntu, and its packages, not the vatrious guest systems you could run on it
[20:16] <hepku> tomreyn, yeah sorry that's fair.
[20:17] <hepku> sarnold, I'm trying to understand why the buildroot process is not creating the minikube iso with the kernel module.
[20:17] <sarnold> hepku: what operating system runs on that minikube?
[20:18] <sarnold> hepku: is it a linux? or is it a bsd? or is a 'unikernel' kind of thing?
[20:20] <hepku> It's an embedded linux distribution afaik
[20:21] <sarnold> hepku: hmm, interesting. I've never seen periods in linux kernel module names before
[20:21] <hepku> In general, could I simply download the .ko file and copy that over to the VM?
[20:21] <sarnold> hepku: and normally ipv4 is compiled into the kernel; tbh I'm not sure if you can even turn off ipv4..
[20:21] <hepku> So the VM has some ipv4 modules
[20:21] <sarnold> hepku: kernel modules need to match the kernel they were built for exactly
[20:21] <hepku> Just not all of them.
[20:21] <hepku> sarnold, right.
[20:22] <sarnold> what specifically is missing?
[20:22] <hepku> So, I'm trying to switch from a particular version of TCP congestion control to a different version.
[20:22] <hepku> TCP Cubic to TCP LP
[20:22] <hepku> cubic and reno are loaded up by default in ubuntu
[20:23] <hepku> So both inside host and in vm, when I run sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_available_congestion_control, I see cubic and reno
[20:24] <hepku> But in the host, I am able to run: sudo modprobe -a tcp_lp and load up the module into the running kernel.
[20:24] <hepku> And then switch from cubic to lp
[20:24] <hepku> But inside the vm, there's no tcp_lp module.
[20:24] <sarnold> aha! okay, cool, this makes a *lot* more sense
[20:25] <hepku> Which is why I was trying to rebuild the ISO image from which the VM is booted up.
[20:25] <hepku> According to this doc: https://minikube.sigs.k8s.io/docs/contrib/building/iso/
[20:26] <hepku> What I still don't understand from that doc is the following
[20:26] <hepku> this creates the ISO: make out/minikube.iso
[20:26] <hepku> But this is what toggles which kernel modules you want to add: make linux-menuconfig
[20:26] <hepku> So how does it get "added" to the ISO?
[20:28] <sarnold> hepku: so, here's my guess; "make linux-menuconfig && make buildroot-image && make out/minikube.iso"
[20:28] <sarnold> hepku: if you're lucky they've done a good job with their makefiles and you could just run make linux-menuconfig && make out/minikube.iso and the magic of dependencies would sort it all out, but that feels a bit too magical :)
[20:29] <hepku> Yeah
[20:29] <hepku> make linux-menuconfig basically just creates a config file according to what I see on the output
[20:29] <sarnold> does it bring up the 'real' linux make menuconfig target? if so, you can search through it with / and look for CONFIG_TCP_CONG_LP
[20:29] <hepku> So I guess that latter two steps read the config?
[20:30] <hepku> What do you mean 'real' linux make menuconfig target?
[20:30] <hepku> It opens up a menu basically
[20:30] <hepku> Where I can navigate through and toggle modules I want
[20:30] <hepku> I am able to toggle LP in that.
[20:30] <ogra> abd hit /
[20:30] <hepku> So that parts fine.
[20:30] <ogra> *and
[20:31] <sarnold> I worried they were going to stick their own menu or script in place of the linux kernel's menuconfig
[20:31] <hepku> Ah, no, I think it's the linux kernel's menuconfig
[20:31] <hepku> cd out/buildroot
[20:31] <hepku> make menuconfig
[20:31] <hepku> make
[20:32] <hepku> This^ implies the existence of out/buildroot when you're choosing user land component and kernel modules
[20:32] <hepku> So how do I even run menuconfig without running buildroot first?
[20:33] <hepku> This will open the kernel configuration menu, and then save your changes to our iso directory after they’ve been selected
[20:33] <hepku> So is it post-processing on the ISO? Like packaging it with the right configs?
[20:34] <synapt> https://paste.st-projects.com/33f4kzox0br1cx112lvb <-- anyone got any ideas on this, I've run a bit stale on what could be a problem.  Sources and details at the bottom of the paste
[20:34] <synapt> Literally not a clue what could have changed to have randomly broken this stuff
[20:35] <sarnold> synapt: I think you may need to specify the old version number on all those packages that are going to try to install the updated versions, just as you're selecting a specific version of rabbitmq
[20:35] <sarnold> hepku: after the menuconfig, it'll need to compile the module, too
[20:36] <synapt> sarnold: Well originally they were being automatically pulled in as dependencies automatically.  Closest I can tell is it does look like there may have been a recent v24 released and it may have previously v23, but I even tried explicitly referencing erlang-23.x in sources but it complained about a few missing components
[20:37] <synapt> er less one automatically there lol
[20:38] <hepku> sarnold: So basically like so: (1) make buildroot-image && (2) make out/minikube.iso && (3) make linux-menuconfig && then do step 1 and 2 again?
[20:39] <sarnold> hepku: probably the other way around, make linux-menuconfig && make buildroot-image && make out/minikube.iso
[20:39] <hepku> Hmm, so basically run linux-menuconfig from outside the out directory (which isn't there at this point)
[20:39] <sarnold> yeah probably
[20:40] <hepku> Let me give that a shot. Build takes forever but worth a try.
[20:41] <sarnold> yeah, heh
[20:41] <sarnold> maybe adding a -j8 or something similar can help
[20:41] <sarnold> depends on the build, your hardwqare, etc
[20:42] <hepku> Yeah lol fair
[20:43] <synapt> sarnold: Ah looks like there were literally package updates this morning for a bunch of erlang stuff on launchpad and it completely buggered stuff
[20:44] <hepku> sarnold: fails with make[1]: *** out/buildroot/output/build/linux-4.19.182/: No such file or directory.  Stop.
[20:45] <hepku> So it needs step 1 and 2 to be done first by the looks of it.
[20:48] <tomreyn> synapt: maybe you have some untracked package / package version preventing those upgrades: temporarily disable those third party repositories, then:  sudo apt update && sudo apt list --installed | grep ',local\]$'   then re-enable these repositories and run    sudo apt update again
[20:50] <tomreyn> note: you have not discussed which ubuntu release you're running
[20:50] <synapt> I assumed that would have been obvious by the "bionic" reference in my paste, but if I must further clarify, it is 18.04 LTS :P
[20:51] <synapt> but there was definitely never a local package installed, but let me try to disable the extra repos and flush stuff
[20:52] <tomreyn> if you'd hang aroun dhere more, you wouldn't have considered it obvious. ;-)
[20:53] <synapt> Hey I usually did, but for some reason my #ubuntu didn't carry over in my ZNC from my freenode config copy lol
[20:53] <synapt> Okay did all that, no local packages exist (checked just for the sake of it), still same error
[20:54] <synapt> as far as I can tell this only started today, perhaps coincidentally with the erlang 24.x package update that was seemingly released today
[20:54] <synapt> is it possible something on the repo is borked?
[20:55] <tomreyn> unless ruled out by the infallible deity of apt repositories, sure.
[20:57] <synapt> All I know is we use ansible to deploy to this and it was never an issue until now, but the timestamps in the repo file structure showing package updates today/this morning seem notable
[20:57] <synapt> let me actually check our production server and see what version is on there, we didn't deploy to it yet
[20:59] <tomreyn> the version of rabbitmq-server you have chosen to install, 3.8.14-1, apparently defines dependencies to specific (lower than ...) versions of erlang packages, which neither ubuntu itself or that erlang repository seem to match
[21:00] <synapt> Yeah that's why I thought that v24 release today maybe buggered stuff, but I'm still getting it when I try and install 1:23.3.4-1rmq1ppa1~ubuntu18.04.1, which does fall within the version range
[21:00] <synapt> https://paste.st-projects.com/777g4oicd0lnpnuskueb
[21:01] <synapt> that using `erlang=1:23.3.4-1rmq1ppa1~ubuntu18.04.1`
[21:01] <ullbeking> I run Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS.  Can I run a full KDE installation without having to switch to Kubuntu?
[21:01] <synapt> and apt-cache policy shows that 1:23.3.4-1rmq1ppa1~ubuntu18.04.1 is there
[21:02] <tomreyn> synapt: is universe enabled (unless you intentionally disabled it)?
[21:03] <tomreyn> ullbeking: theoretically yes, but switching back and forth may involve manual changes
[21:03] <ullbeking> tomreyn: switching back and forth between what?
[21:03] <synapt> I -believe- it is as there is a bionic-backports/universe package showing up under policy, which I was actually just pondering trying to use as it's 22.0
[21:04] <ullbeking> tomreyn: are you referring to swtiching between KDE and GNOME?
[21:04] <synapt> okay nevermind 1:22.0.7+dfsg-1build1~ubuntu18.04.1 from `http://us-east-1.ec2.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic-backports/universe amd64 Packages` still does the same, hrm
[21:05] <tomreyn> ullbeking: from what i remember, sddm still runs as root, whereas gdm3 runs as the restricted user, so just switching between the two desktops on a graphical login manager *may* not work.
[21:05] <synapt> Sorry I should note I'm literally trying to install the erlang package -alone- now, not even as a dependency and it still largely says the same
[21:06] <tomreyn> synapt: if you can show full commands you run with the output they produce it should get easier
[21:06] <tomreyn> i generally don't trust "does the same" until i've seen it ;)
[21:06] <synapt> I did in the original paste, I'll show what I was doing just for erlang now;
[21:07] <synapt> https://paste.st-projects.com/5e9xqetb6xi0t3x4k69t
[21:07] <synapt> And by same I mean well quite literally the same, minus the rabbitmq depends list
[21:08] <synapt> Seems every single erlang package does this, and I can't see anything in apt logs that indicate why all of a sudden it broke in the past few days
[21:08] <tomreyn> and this erlang version you'Re forcing is provided by which repository? it's not from universe
[21:09] <synapt> http://ppa.launchpad.net/rabbitmq/rabbitmq-erlang/ubuntu bionic main <-- as noted in the original paste
[21:09] <tomreyn> okay, i must have misunderstaood what you'Re doing, thought you were now trying to install erlang from universe
[21:09] <synapt> I also tried `http://packages.erlang-solutions.com/ubuntu bionic contrib` and even `1:22.0.7+dfsg-1build1~ubuntu18.04.1` from the official ubuntu bionic-backports/universe
[21:10] <synapt> No no, I'm just trying to install one of the two supported versions rabbit shows lol
[21:10] <synapt> basically 22 or 23 since 20 and 24 are outside it's range, but like I said I'm getting these errors even trying to install erlang alone
[21:11] <synapt> and I've tried to debug apt as much as I can, tried --fix-broken, checked dpkg for anything held and there wasn't anything
[21:11] <synapt> it's like in the past couple days apt simply stopped liking erlang lol
[21:12] <tomreyn> https://packagecloud.io/rabbitmq/rabbitmq-server/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz lists packages, versions of those, and their dependencies
[21:12] <tomreyn> https://packagecloud.io/rabbitmq/rabbitmq-erlang/ubuntu/dists/bionic/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz lists packages, versions of those, and their dependencies
[21:13] <tomreyn> once for rabbitmq, once for erlang
[21:13] <tomreyn> now check whether you can find a match
[21:13] <tomreyn> that's how apt does it
[21:13] <synapt> yeah, and policy lists them; https://paste.st-projects.com/819p78hjdmm5ywc30nk1
[21:15] <tomreyn> maybe the ~ in the version number makes them not match
[21:16] <tomreyn> sorry, it's really too hot here, i can't think straight...
[21:16] <synapt> Ah interesting, decided to look at dpkg log, about two and a half hours ago when he ran the ansible deployment that failed;
[21:16] <synapt> 2021-06-17 19:47:47 upgrade erlang-inets:amd64 1:23.3.1-1rmq1ppa1~ubuntu18.04.1 1:24.0.2-1rmq1ppa1~ubuntu18.04.1
[21:17] <synapt> It DID force a main version upgrade on all erlang-* packages, and it's been broke since, but nothing in the log indicates any issues
[21:17] <synapt> just a lot of half-configured and half-installed statuses on 23.3.1, but all that should have been undone when I forcibly removed the packages with autoremove
[21:19] <tomreyn> not if you didn't --purge, i think
[21:19] <synapt> Ah indeed, let me see
[21:21] <synapt> doesn't visibly seem to imply it did anything, but let me try to install again
[21:21] <synapt> nope same, complains about held broken packages but doesn't list any
[21:25] <synapt> I wonder if there's a launchpad channel somewhere I can find the erlang package person to stab about this lol
[21:26] <synapt> oh hey there is lol
[21:29] <oerheks> they surely want to hear about that ppa
[22:40] <Guest6356409> If anyone wanders in asking about where the Gnome music player Lollypop stores it's database...
[22:40] <matsaman> heh
[22:40] <matsaman> ~/.config/ somewhere, or worse?
[22:40] <Guest6356409> The answer appears to be in $HOME/.local/share/lollypop/lollypop.db
[22:40] <matsaman> ah, sure
[22:40] <Guest6356409> and it's an Sqlite db.
[22:40] <matsaman> Guest6356409: posterity will thank you
[22:41] <Guest6356409> Heh. Hopefully the person asking will find it in the logs.
[22:41] <Guest6356409> where *are* the logs, anyway?
[22:42] <sarnold> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/
[22:43] <Guest6356409> Hm, doesn't seem to be up to date...
[22:44] <Guest6356409> https://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2021/06/17/%23lubuntu.txt unless I'm looking in the wrong place
[22:45] <sarnold> the logs are written every half hour or hour or so
[22:46] <Intelo>  everytime I reboot, I can access this corsair ssd. But in middle I get io errors. smart tools said this https://imgur.com/4qREesk.png  How to know the issue?
[22:48] <yukiup> how come in the ubuntu installer you can't resize the partitions?
[22:48] <yukiup> in the old days there was a nice slider
[22:48] <Guest6356409> sarnold -- ah, makes sense
[22:49] <matsaman> yukiup: there's no 'manual' option?
[22:49] <yukiup> i couldn't find one
[22:49] <matsaman> I mean Ubuntu surely uses LVM now, so
[22:49] <matsaman> yukiup: what would you even change about it?
[22:49] <yukiup> bring back the old installer
[22:50] <z1haze> why doesn't this use the samba-tool? https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/samba-domain-controller
[22:52] <yukiup> maybe its because i'm on a mac
[22:53] <matsaman> yukiup: install to an apple computer? I doubt that would have such a different installer
[22:53] <matsaman> yukiup: it's probably just hard to find or not present like you've suggested
[22:53] <matsaman> but I'd still guess the former (I haven't run the installer in a while)
[22:53] <yukiup> well i ended up using the mac disk utility to resize the disk
[22:54] <matsaman> resize it for what
[22:54] <matsaman> dual booting?
[22:54] <yukiup> yes
[22:55] <yukiup> there used to be a an option to resize the disk to install ubuntu (guided)
[23:39] <lostndev> I have a very strange issue, of which I cannot seem to find a reasonable explanation for. Let's assume I have an ubuntu system (18.04.1 LTS). I have a cellular (sim) card adapter that a systemd service brings online. From root it is as if this adapter doesn't have internet (curl returns "No route to host"). But from a local user, the adapter does
[23:39] <lostndev> have internet. "route -n" and "ip link" for both accounts are identical. Any ideas where else I could try looking for an explanation would be greatly appreciated.
[23:40] <oerheks> search into network manager, make available for all users, would fix that.
[23:40] <oerheks> same as for wifi
[23:42] <lostndev> https://pastebin.com/AP0Cg5ZU is what I mean to be more precise
[23:44] <lostndev> oerheks, it's a server so no desktop access, googling now to see if there is a terminal version of that
[23:46] <sarnold> lostndev: well that's interesting
[23:46] <lostndev> sarnold right? I'm scratching my head here
[23:46] <sarnold> lostndev: try using ip addr and ip route instead of ifconfig; ifconfig doesn't understand everything the kernel can do
[23:47] <sarnold> lostndev: ip route get 216.239.35.0
[23:47] <sarnold> .. kinds of things ar eneat
[23:47] <lostndev> Aha, trying in a minute.
[23:52] <lostndev> sarnold so this is probably going to make thing interesting. The server is connected to a wireguard VPN (wg0) and wireless (wlp4s0). From root the route to 216 is passing through the VPN, from devbot wireless.
[23:52] <lostndev> root:
[23:52] <lostndev> 216.239.35.0 via 10.8.1.1 dev wg0 src 10.8.1.116 uid 0
[23:52] <lostndev>     cache
[23:52] <lostndev> devbot:
[23:52] <lostndev> 216.239.35.0 via 172.16.0.1 dev wlp4s0 src 172.16.66.254 uid 1000
[23:53] <sarnold> d'oh :) when pasting more than three lines it's best to use a pastebin site like https://paste.ubuntu.com
[23:54] <lostndev> t
[23:54] <lostndev> sarnold yep - https://pastebin.com/Mv9t2gW4
[23:55] <sarnold> lostndev: aha! excellent digging
[23:59] <ice9> boltd crashed without using any thunderbolt device, what could be the issue?