[14:13] Eickmeyer[k]: thankyou for pkging controls... debugging [14:15] USB plugging and unplugging does not seem to work in 21.10 [16:36] Huh, it seems the dbus message we monitor has changed... at least we still get some kind of message. I am guessing this is why the arch users where not getting display updates. [16:56] changing the parsing of the dbus return fixes it... but, I am pretty sure it would no longer work in LTS. Also, it is obvious that teh dbus return string is "subject to change" anyway... so, new plan. [16:58] Is it a standard system dbus message? [16:58] because that being subject to change is kinda shitty [16:59] wonko: I do not know if it can be considered "standard", I monmitored the system dbus while plugging usb devices in and out :) [16:59] That seems like a fairly standard action [16:59] that should hopefully not change on a whim, no? [16:59] who's driving this bus, anyway? :-P [16:59] gnome... [17:00] actually redhat [17:02] It is ok. While it would be nice to be able to get the new/former device directly from the dbus string, I can rather look for usb devices that have a card number and do not have a PID and are not "hidden" [17:03] And the opposite for removed [17:07] The forced gnome sytle on all gnome applications is really bad! [18:34] OvenWrks: Just saw this. The joys of an ever-changing API. [18:34] OvenWrks: The biggest problem I see is that it won't be backwards-compatible with 20.04 if we completely change the code rather than sniffing for differences. [18:36] OvenWrks: Another problem I've seen is that when I stop JACK I get about 7 qasmixer instances opening. [18:38] Eickmeyer: what I am doing is just using the dbus message to tell me I have to do something. I then look in /proc/asound/ to find out what has changed... [18:38] Eickmeyer: the QASmixer thing sounds like you have not upgraded to 2.1.67 yet [18:38] that did happen in .65 [18:39] But runnung impish here I can't make that happen [18:39] (with .67) [18:43] OvenWrks: I'm definitely on .67. [18:43] I'll try to see if I can reproduce the problem. [18:44] OvenWrks: Can't reproduce, false alarm. [18:44] Fixed.